@@EduardoVasquezMedina I honestly don't know if I agree with that. Valve has been wanting to make steam accessible in more portable ways for years. The switch was also not the first handheld, not by a long shot. We had multiple generations of PSP, gameboys, the Sega Game Gear etc etc
The deck has been in R&D for 10 yrs prior to release they aint do shit valve was allways headed in that space nintendo just capitalized on there mobile presence they didnt reinvent the mobile space they defined it for years.. but valve they reinvented a whole new market
So I love that companies are making dedicated mobile gaming handhelds again. I remember missing the days of Gameboys and I'm like "Oh they stopped making stuff like that because a lot of games moved to become apps and work with phones now" (except for the Switch). And now they're trying out mobile handhelds again and it's really cool.
It's really the chip becoming small enough now to allow non-trivial games to run on a lower wattage. We can all thank the Switch and Steam deck for it 😊
@@NoradNoxtus still one thing is missing from these handhelds that is arm chips Arm chips are perfect for these handhelds and will perform way better than the current x86 chips but everything is in the hands of microsoft to make windows for arm just like apple made mac for m devices and shook the pc market
@@DirtyHardSock Can you give me an opinion for the claw. I have steam deck i want to sell because it cant play online games and wanted to buy rog ally. Should i wait for the claw?
Now we need Microsoft to work on handheld mode on windows. The problem with all the windows handheld device is that they feel weird to navigate the UI. Maybe something similar with the Xbox's but for windows
You literally just described Windows 8! Frankenstein of Windows/Windows Mobile and xbox home screen. Have fun with tiles and start screen. Please don't ruin these new devices by necroing that OS.
literally NO. Linux is far superior, and already powers the entire industry. The only pro-consumer move is to kick Microsoft out of their OS monopoly and use open solutions like the SteamOS
In most msi fashion, they will showcase best of the best, but then probably hardware issues -> software then leading to weird pricing either too high or too low
This is the beginning of our return to the old in person Lan parties.. So easy to group up with your buddies IRL with your pc handheld gaming machines and have a great time eating pizza and chilling on the couch. So here for this ❤
I want a cooler boost feature on every gaming device out there. In warmer environments sometimes you just need to cool down the chassis. I do that manually currently on my laptop but it'd be lovely just to have a quick toggle.
I laughed at this. My MSI laptop has thermal throttling issues. No vents are under the fan intakes on the bottom and the cooler boost compensates for this poor design. I first raised up the bottom off the desk to help, but it wasn't much better. I threw a bigger storage stick in and left the bottom off to test. Bottom of case off solved the problem. For a bit I left the screws out while it was at home and would pop the bottom off while it was in an A vertical on my desk and hooked up to monitor and dock. I plan to pick up a spare bottom and cut holes in it. It was so bad though I considered returning it. Only things that saves MSI is the advanced BIOS, they offered an all AMD Advantage configuration I wanted at a sale price.
Unfortunately, this is true, the design is completely the same as Rog Ally and they also placed a slot for Micro Sd cards under the hole for heat removal. Msi was very disappointing, literally completely copying Asus from the screen to the design of the device, I was hoping that they could come up with something of their own .
@@retrobulldozer8723 that design isn't what causes the micro sd failures and they aren't happening to every single device. It was the poor soldering and manufacturing quality control. MSI is more than capable of producing quality boards for their devices
@@officerminiwheats Yes, Msi are capable of doing anything, but instead of doing something unique, they just copy Asus from design to screen and ergonomics, it’s just ridiculous.
I just got an Ally a few weeks ago (intending to get the Legion Go but then really disliking the form factor). I have been in love with it. Excited to see more competition in this space. I found the comment about the back buttons interesting; I actually like that I have to press the Ally back buttons in a very specific way. They're very easy to press for me but I never accidentally press them even if I'm freaking out and gripping the device hard. Hopefully that ends up being the case for the Claw as well.
I like the fact that the Ally's back buttons only actuate from one side because I have a tendency to brush against them accidentally, and it prevents me from pushing them when I don't intend to. I'm very interested to see how the performance stacks up against the Ally.
I was holding mine while watching this and obviously tested it as soon as he said that but mine can be pushed in at any spot and work so idk what he’s talking about
@@WuFluChanI noticed the same thing with mine a long time ago. The guy has to talk up the claw some way. There's no way that Intel chip is going to outperform the z1 extreme. Anybody interested in this device should wait until performance reviews come out.
Steam Deck absolutely nailed controls and ergonomics in a way none of these other handhelds come close to. That plus Steam OS makes me just completely uninterested in anything else, even if they're a bit faster.
Not everyone likes it though, that’s very subjective I for one like the Xbox layout a lot, not a fan of the ps layout I also don’t like the placement of the dpad on the deck but to each their own
@@CJTheTokay i agree. I had the steam deck and didn't like the layout of the buttons and sticks. Got an Ally and its much more preferable like the Xbox controller
Something tells me battery life if going to be atrocious and the performance won’t be significantly better that Z1 extreme. Intel threw TDP’s out the window years ago.
The power consumption was very explicitly stated. 15W, 30W, and 45W. It's not TDP - it's the actual power draw. With a 60W/hr battery, you can napkin math estimate the battery life of each power profile
I agree, the z1 extreme is a beast compared to the van gogh in the steam deck. Itd be hard to imagine this being that much better. I think they should have done that lenovo did with the legion go, and add cool features to the thing. This just looks like a rog ally clone with different internals. They need to set themselves apart more IMO. The specs would have to be insane for this to be worth upgrading to.
@@alexcrowder1673 agreed but I have a Go and a SD and the SD is still my go to. It amazing what they can do in that power envelope. But I love the Go’s 8” screen and I can do more “stuff” with it because it’s running Windows.
The system is in par with the ROG ally at 25-30W - that's bad news, that's another way of saying it has poor performance at low wattages, which has been an issue of Tiger Lake and Ice Lake as well, ideally for a handheld machine it should perform well at 10-15W, at 25-30W devices of that size can't afford to have a battery big enough for them to have great battery life.
Looks good. Only problem is that top and bottom screen bezel is super obnoxious but since the system itself is black it's not as annoying as it is on the rog ally
Dave your videos are so much better than the competition's. Because you are not using a teleprompter and because of minimal editing, the connection with the viewer is way stronger. I feel this is what other youtubers' videos lack.
I hope that companies will continue innovating towards smaller handheld devices in the future because I don’t really want my computer to grow larger after every upgrade.
Negative. There are multiple audiences for these devices, they are no longer limited to the previous audience who have very specific ideas of what a handheld should be. More use cases these days.
Looks cool, but I'm worried about all that extra ventilation on the back. A lot of surface area for dust, debris and moisture to enter. It shouldn't be an issue too much for home use, but on the go it could become an issue. I guess the advantage beyond thermals is that you could use it as a miniature space heater.
Impressive product. I can not wait for the day were we will have 1080p on mid to high detail and around 60-120hz with atleast 4-8 hours of Playtime with a bright Oled screen. I'd say we're around 5-7 years away from that.
@RJSamonte I hope so! Just bought an oled and if that is potentially the case, that would be awesome. With how well handhelds are already doing, I see it being possible (as long as AAA games don't become 500gb downloads 🙃)
I cannot say how much I appreciate a video in this category made by someone who isn't trying to speak like a cartoonish radio DJ and just talks like a regular person. Great video.
@@oxaile4021 Current era Intel CPUs are garbage, the laptop chips can't even render a 1080 line video without the fans coming on. This thing is going to be awful.
The Claw looks MUCH better than I thought it would when seeing leaks. It looks very ergonomic which is a great thing. Loving the black color too. It is nice there is minimal bezels too. I hope it has some decent performance and battery life. The fans sound real heavy 😬 Too bad I cannot afford it currently. I'll wait for the Switch 2 but loving the competition!
Minimal bezels?)Msi just completely copied Rog Ally,only differens is a Intel and 2 hitsink instead of 1,Lol.Look at the LEGo,thats where the minimal bezels is.
@@retrobulldozer8723 Maybe I should look again lol. I saw a couple of clips and looked like it had less but it is probably because it is black and blends more.
Handhelds are getting better and competitive. Knowing Intel they are always expensive (I wish Im wrong on this one). Does it support external GPU like Ally (maybe I missed it in the video) ?
And if it can't go beneath 15W definitely not. Imagine trying to play vampire survivors or any similar game on this for extended periods. Hopefully Intel figures that out before this releases or soon after
@@GrimAbstract so why not take advantage of it instead of wasting power? We have no idea what the actual performance/efficiency curve is cause Dave's just being paid to promote a product that isn't ready yet (and using outdated info on other handhelds). We should just wait to evaluate assertions like that once the device is being actually reviewed
I love gaming handhelds, good thing we're getting more competition this year. You forgot to mention which operating system it runs on so I'll presume it's Windows.
from my experience having an MSI workstation laptop. The cooler boost feature maintains heat, even in humid situations, but it also keeps a stable FPS as well in most games.
I see only one usb-c like the Ally, which is extremely annoying. I also didn't see an m.2 slot anywhere in the internals. I wonder if storage is soldered. That would be very unfortunate.
The most sad thing is that for some reason everyone in pc handhelds market besides valve, ayaneo and gpd embrace this GAMERS aesthetics. Like, i understand, there's a number of people who enjoy bright led lights, shiny black glossy devices, ok ok there's a market for that. But can you also make a device for everyone else? Valve, the company who did maybe 5 hardware devices in their lifetime did that from the first try and then everyone is like no, our devices have to show that they are MEANT FOR GAMERS.
I'm really happy Intel is bothering to compete. I'm not sure how much more powerful computers, even for gaming, can get and still have practical use. But it's so amazing seeing these increasingly powerful handhelds. Its amazing how much they are doing to make PC gaming more accessible and genuinely feel more free (as in being able to natively play favorite games anywhere). It's a joy I haven't felt since I got my first Gameboy.
It sure took Intel a while to get into this new wave of handheld computing. Looks like a good start, though. I'm looking forward to seeing how their incoming devices compete, both in performance AND in price.
intel only really develop for mass markets, so i guess they saw no real need to be in the handheld market until the steam deck showed the potential sales.
dude, can you mention the price of the products that you review? If you want us to watch a video at least include the price of the product that you review.
I know you usually don't review these little gaming handhelds often but would love for you to try out the AYN Odin 2 that just came out and see how you feel about using it compared to these systems. I find it's a really nice, more portable, and longer lasting android alternative to the x86 handhelds that have been popping up.
In its current state, its lowest TDP setting is so high that you'll have low battery life even when playing very lightweight games. They also choose FHD screen resolution, meaning it will consume even more power. And on top of that - RGB led strips, which don't add functionality, but eat battery nonetheless. I don't see how this competes with other handhelds.
False It has 30% larger battery than Asus Ally 15w on this thing should more battery life than Asus Ally at 15w Asus Ally uses 1080p display too.... most portable gaming devices uses 1080p screen except steam deck
The only way Intel could even think about having an advantage over the other handhelds is if they worked with MSI in tandem on this. All the other companies are making their software in house, but if MSI got actual Intel engineers and software guys to help with their stuff they may have an advantage in the stability and functionality of their software and tools.
A company that is very strong in the design of competitive gaming notebooks can definitely put technology into handheld mobile phones. In addition to the functions and comfort when holding it, the design can definitely meet the needs of users.
Kind've surprised that the Ally is the only handheld so far to have released with VRR. It's pretty essential on a device like this that will most often be running games at sub-60 fps, especially when you don't have any workaround solutions like the Deck's adjustable refresh-rate.
It is sad that Meteor Lake wasn't as efficient as it hoped to be. I hope Arrow Lake would be really better. I am also excited on how the Rentable unit architecture be like.
I like the look of it, and it appears to be comfortable in the hand. Add in the large battery and it really just comes down to Intel drivers and price.
First the Steam Deck. Then Asus Rog Ally. Next Legion Go. Then Steam Deck OLED. Now MSI Claw. It’s amazing how far handheld gaming has come. The PSP and PS Vita were truly ahead of their time. Sony can compete with the new handhelds if they wanted
One thing that's off about the non-Steam deck PC handhelds is that their screens are way too good for what the devices can do. They consume more electricity and they need considerably more power to use at their peak specs. Nintendo and Valve wisely stuck to lower spec displays, and it's not just to reduce the cost of their devices. It would be different if you could upgrade the chip and thermals down the line, but that's not the case yet.
I knew when getting the Ally that more powerful hardware would be released within the next year and I’m okay for that. It’s pretty exciting to see and still love what my Ally can do
Love the way how Dave explained the difference between 2 products. Better cooling shall be important while traveling around, especially in those southern regions with humid weather., and it shall stand for better sustainable performance under long-hour gameplay.
10 years ago, we had intel 4000 series chunky laptops--plugged in that couldn't get consistent 30ps at 720p LOW in games like Assassins Creed Blackflag, now we have this. I cant wait to see how well these handhelds evolve 5 years from now, might not need a gaming laptop by then anymore
Dave we'd really appreciate a full review once it's a released product. Preproduction reviews are always skewed to developer's side, because they can caveat anything they want
I would argue it's the other way around. Preproduction units are usually missing more things than retail ones, and they're far more prone to bugs or just having certain things not work.
@@alexandremaximov3885 I mean that both final and preprod can, say, have bad battery life and performance. If you supply Dave2D with a released product, then his verdict on battery life or performance is final. And nobody buys them. But if you give a "preprod" unit (even if you're not planning on any changes), then he can't make such conclusions without a caveat. And then you're not missing any sales, because Dave2d isn't outright criticizing the product. And therefore it's imperative that whatever you send to reviewers is marked as preprod, because they can't make any negative final conclusions.
@@alexandremaximov3885 I think the point the OP is making is that when Dave2D is presenting the device, MSI can say what they don't want mentioned since its a preproduction unit or what they don't want tested because it's preproduction unit. So you mostly end up with a very surface level "first impression" video that doesn't actually test what the product is like in its final form. This happened with the ROG Ally. Everyone fell over themselves to give their first impression of the preproduction unit, then never really mentioned it again. All of the issues the unit had weren't even really mentioned after launch.
I wish msi took a lenovo approach, and actually did something interesting and innovative with the device. The appeal to hardcore gamer is something that has been done to death. If it was a tiny bit more casual and just had cooler features (even like a trackpad for navigation in UIs) I think its performance numbers wouldn't matter as much, and it might actually get more popular than the ally. Though I do own 0 handhelds, so maybe my opinion doesn't really matter lol
My thoughts on the cooler boost... If they have thunderbolt (which is a very intel thing) you can use an External GPU and then utilize the cooler boost to help stop it from thermal throttling while acting like a desktop. So it's less for mobile and more for the home experience. Bet their dock is going to try to take full advantage of those settings.
Good to see the psp is making a comeback in a different form
meanwhile Sony's thing is a game stream-only shitter, ironic coming from them
I hear ya @@FlyingCIRCU175
Damn if only they could release a new psp
@@user-zn5xf6ty9q or GPD win 4 (psp go)
Sony Should joining on this
The steamdeck really shook the industry damn
All night long.
Without the Switch the Steam Deck wouldn't exist.
Just saying,
@@EduardoVasquezMedina I honestly don't know if I agree with that. Valve has been wanting to make steam accessible in more portable ways for years. The switch was also not the first handheld, not by a long shot. We had multiple generations of PSP, gameboys, the Sega Game Gear etc etc
The deck has been in R&D for 10 yrs prior to release they aint do shit valve was allways headed in that space nintendo just capitalized on there mobile presence they didnt reinvent the mobile space they defined it for years.. but valve they reinvented a whole new market
@@EduardoVasquezMedinathe switch crawled so that all these handhelds could walk
So I love that companies are making dedicated mobile gaming handhelds again. I remember missing the days of Gameboys and I'm like "Oh they stopped making stuff like that because a lot of games moved to become apps and work with phones now" (except for the Switch). And now they're trying out mobile handhelds again and it's really cool.
Seeing this makes me excited for the future competition fuels innovation.
It's really the chip becoming small enough now to allow non-trivial games to run on a lower wattage. We can all thank the Switch and Steam deck for it 😊
I wish Playstation gets their act together with this development. Like an actual PSP with PS5 features and hardware
@@rosaria8384instead they make psportal which no one asked for
@@NoradNoxtus still one thing is missing from these handhelds that is arm chips
Arm chips are perfect for these handhelds and will perform way better than the current x86 chips but everything is in the hands of microsoft to make windows for arm just like apple made mac for m devices and shook the pc market
First one to have hands on with Ally and now with the Claw. Thanks Dave.
And i believe he was the first with lenovo legion go
Actually I've had the MSI claw for around two months now. I am a Gamma tester for Wonton Tech International Inc.
@@DirtyHardSock Can you give me an opinion for the claw. I have steam deck i want to sell because it cant play online games and wanted to buy rog ally. Should i wait for the claw?
i dont think that's a real company@@DirtyHardSock
@@Dark.Syndicatedude, don't burst his bubble like that
Now we need Microsoft to work on handheld mode on windows. The problem with all the windows handheld device is that they feel weird to navigate the UI. Maybe something similar with the Xbox's but for windows
You literally just described Windows 8! Frankenstein of Windows/Windows Mobile and xbox home screen. Have fun with tiles and start screen. Please don't ruin these new devices by necroing that OS.
Yes agreed
literally NO. Linux is far superior, and already powers the entire industry. The only pro-consumer move is to kick Microsoft out of their OS monopoly and use open solutions like the SteamOS
Fully agree!
steam os is literally the answer (for now)
i'm super skeptical that msi can pull this off without some sort of massive harware or software issue, but it looks pretty cool ngl
In most msi fashion, they will showcase best of the best, but then probably hardware issues -> software then leading to weird pricing either too high or too low
@@agumon1605there are 3 models of it $699 $750 $799
Like their laptop lineup
Their motherboards are okay, people say ASUS is better than MSI yet they launched the ally with a bunch of issues 🤷
@@agumon1605 there are 3 models of the Msi claw $699 $750 $799
The way Dave says button (6:03) scratches a part of my brain that I didn't know I had
I was looking if anyone else noticed it not not!
Canadian aboot
This is the beginning of our return to the old in person Lan parties.. So easy to group up with your buddies IRL with your pc handheld gaming machines and have a great time eating pizza and chilling on the couch. So here for this ❤
Glad to see more innovation and competition in this market sector. Keep going guys.
I want a cooler boost feature on every gaming device out there. In warmer environments sometimes you just need to cool down the chassis. I do that manually currently on my laptop but it'd be lovely just to have a quick toggle.
It's on the legion go not sure bout the ally
Hope mod support is good.
What do you use to manually cool your laptop?
I'm currently trying a banano leaf with decent results.
@@lorenzogazzola328 there are fam tuning softwares for some laptops. I have the zephyrus and have used atrofac/ghelper
I laughed at this. My MSI laptop has thermal throttling issues. No vents are under the fan intakes on the bottom and the cooler boost compensates for this poor design. I first raised up the bottom off the desk to help, but it wasn't much better. I threw a bigger storage stick in and left the bottom off to test. Bottom of case off solved the problem. For a bit I left the screws out while it was at home and would pop the bottom off while it was in an A vertical on my desk and hooked up to monitor and dock. I plan to pick up a spare bottom and cut holes in it. It was so bad though I considered returning it. Only things that saves MSI is the advanced BIOS, they offered an all AMD Advantage configuration I wanted at a sale price.
it follows very closely the design of the asus rog ally, hopefully it doesnt have that micro sd card over the exhaust vent fiasco as well
Unfortunately, this is true, the design is completely the same as Rog Ally and they also placed a slot for Micro Sd cards under the hole for heat removal. Msi was very disappointing, literally completely copying Asus from the screen to the design of the device, I was hoping that they could come up with something of their own .
@@retrobulldozer8723 that design isn't what causes the micro sd failures and they aren't happening to every single device. It was the poor soldering and manufacturing quality control. MSI is more than capable of producing quality boards for their devices
@@officerminiwheats Yes, Msi are capable of doing anything, but instead of doing something unique, they just copy Asus from design to screen and ergonomics, it’s just ridiculous.
I just got an Ally a few weeks ago (intending to get the Legion Go but then really disliking the form factor). I have been in love with it. Excited to see more competition in this space.
I found the comment about the back buttons interesting; I actually like that I have to press the Ally back buttons in a very specific way. They're very easy to press for me but I never accidentally press them even if I'm freaking out and gripping the device hard. Hopefully that ends up being the case for the Claw as well.
I just heard leaks about this and Dave somehow already has it... lol
6:25 The unique way this guy starts saying baahtn towards the end 😂
I like the fact that the Ally's back buttons only actuate from one side because I have a tendency to brush against them accidentally, and it prevents me from pushing them when I don't intend to. I'm very interested to see how the performance stacks up against the Ally.
I was holding mine while watching this and obviously tested it as soon as he said that but mine can be pushed in at any spot and work so idk what he’s talking about
@@WuFluChanI noticed the same thing with mine a long time ago. The guy has to talk up the claw some way. There's no way that Intel chip is going to outperform the z1 extreme. Anybody interested in this device should wait until performance reviews come out.
He is talking Bullshit... You can press them on each area you can Touch them... Guess he was paid by MSI...
I can't believe no one has copied the joystick layout from the steam deck, it is so much more comfortable
They just completely copied Rog Ally!
Steam Deck absolutely nailed controls and ergonomics in a way none of these other handhelds come close to. That plus Steam OS makes me just completely uninterested in anything else, even if they're a bit faster.
Nope
Not everyone likes it though, that’s very subjective I for one like the Xbox layout a lot, not a fan of the ps layout I also don’t like the placement of the dpad on the deck but to each their own
@@CJTheTokay i agree. I had the steam deck and didn't like the layout of the buttons and sticks. Got an Ally and its much more preferable like the Xbox controller
Something tells me battery life if going to be atrocious and the performance won’t be significantly better that Z1 extreme. Intel threw TDP’s out the window years ago.
The power consumption was very explicitly stated. 15W, 30W, and 45W. It's not TDP - it's the actual power draw.
With a 60W/hr battery, you can napkin math estimate the battery life of each power profile
I agree, the z1 extreme is a beast compared to the van gogh in the steam deck. Itd be hard to imagine this being that much better. I think they should have done that lenovo did with the legion go, and add cool features to the thing. This just looks like a rog ally clone with different internals. They need to set themselves apart more IMO. The specs would have to be insane for this to be worth upgrading to.
@@alexcrowder1673Yes,they just completely copied Rog Ally.
@@alexcrowder1673 agreed but I have a Go and a SD and the SD is still my go to. It amazing what they can do in that power envelope. But I love the Go’s 8” screen and I can do more “stuff” with it because it’s running Windows.
60 W per hour? That is one crappy battery@@moist_ointment
Yes, yes!!! Glad to see more competition in this handheld PC space. Going to hopefully push everyone to innovate and improve their devices.
I cannot unhear the funny pronunciation of button, how have I not noticed this before 😂?!
The system is in par with the ROG ally at 25-30W - that's bad news, that's another way of saying it has poor performance at low wattages, which has been an issue of Tiger Lake and Ice Lake as well, ideally for a handheld machine it should perform well at 10-15W, at 25-30W devices of that size can't afford to have a battery big enough for them to have great battery life.
Looks good. Only problem is that top and bottom screen bezel is super obnoxious but since the system itself is black it's not as annoying as it is on the rog ally
tbh i kinda like it in black plus id say it add protection for the screen having a bezel top n bottom? then flush to the device if one were to drop it
Rog ally: You can copy my homework, but don’t make it obvious.
MSI: ….
i love how dave says 'button'
Dave your videos are so much better than the competition's. Because you are not using a teleprompter and because of minimal editing, the connection with the viewer is way stronger. I feel this is what other youtubers' videos lack.
I hope that companies will continue innovating towards smaller handheld devices in the future because I don’t really want my computer to grow larger after every upgrade.
Waiting for Ally 2 with an OLED screen hopefully
I love how Dave can always get new/test devices.
Dual fans and 45 watts is missing the point of this form factor.
Negative. There are multiple audiences for these devices, they are no longer limited to the previous audience who have very specific ideas of what a handheld should be. More use cases these days.
It’s a physics and thermodynamics thing. Its going to blast through its battery if its drawing 45 watts for just the apu.
They're going for a different segment of people who want that. Whether or not it's built well and has good software support is another thing
@@keyboard_g if like me you use your handhelds mostly at home this doesn't bother me
@@VisceralMonkey504heard that one before. Remind me again of all the timeless games released for the Vita, lmao...
Re: the intro - the Lenovo doesn't exist?
It's too good.
I love how he says “buttons”
Looks cool, but I'm worried about all that extra ventilation on the back. A lot of surface area for dust, debris and moisture to enter. It shouldn't be an issue too much for home use, but on the go it could become an issue. I guess the advantage beyond thermals is that you could use it as a miniature space heater.
Being Intel it probably needs all the cooling it can get.
the CLAW
Jim Carrey comes to mind
@@miloshp7399 exactly the way I wanted the post to be read 🤣
Impressive product. I can not wait for the day were we will have 1080p on mid to high detail and around 60-120hz with atleast 4-8 hours of Playtime with a bright Oled screen. I'd say we're around 5-7 years away from that.
Maybe 2-3 years with the Steam Deck 2
@RJSamonte I hope so! Just bought an oled and if that is potentially the case, that would be awesome. With how well handhelds are already doing, I see it being possible (as long as AAA games don't become 500gb downloads 🙃)
Steam deck OLED already ranges from 2-12 hrs. iirc. I expect next release to be 3-15 at least. I don't mind 800p unless screen gets bigger.
Steam deck rn is still the best handheld tbh
Dude, you already have that with the steam deck lol, its just 800p (which btw you cannot tell like at all)
I cannot say how much I appreciate a video in this category made by someone who isn't trying to speak like a cartoonish radio DJ and just talks like a regular person. Great video.
Look at that cooling / vents on the MSI hahaha!
I predict that it's exactly what everyone is predicting - a portable nuclear reactor.
45W on a handheld is pretty absurd. Sure, it can probably cool it but what's the point if it won't last an hour on battery.
@@oxaile4021 Current era Intel CPUs are garbage, the laptop chips can't even render a 1080 line video without the fans coming on.
This thing is going to be awful.
The Claw looks MUCH better than I thought it would when seeing leaks. It looks very ergonomic which is a great thing. Loving the black color too. It is nice there is minimal bezels too. I hope it has some decent performance and battery life. The fans sound real heavy 😬
Too bad I cannot afford it currently. I'll wait for the Switch 2 but loving the competition!
Minimal bezels?)Msi just completely copied Rog Ally,only differens is a Intel and 2 hitsink instead of 1,Lol.Look at the LEGo,thats where the minimal bezels is.
@@retrobulldozer8723 Maybe I should look again lol. I saw a couple of clips and looked like it had less but it is probably because it is black and blends more.
Handhelds are getting better and competitive. Knowing Intel they are always expensive (I wish Im wrong on this one). Does it support external GPU like Ally (maybe I missed it in the video) ?
Yes its does with usb support at maximum 40gbps and you can put any gpu u want
Any eGPU except the XGM from ROG lol
It'll probably be expensive enough to merit waiting for a Black Friday sale. Price cuts are anticipated when they price these things.
But it doesn't have the external Pci-e port.
@@AdioAurel not really im wont spend 2000 buck for it you better buying 4090 with egpu setup for this price or even full desktop pc you rog fanboy buffoon
“That’s hella loud” 3:58 I didn’t know we had the same vernacular 😂
One of the biggest reasons I didn't buy the Ally is the sticks. Very loose and imprecise feeling.
Is the Claw Amy better in this regard?
It's starting at $700. Definitely an ROG Ally competitor, definitely *not* a Steam Deck competitor.
And if it can't go beneath 15W definitely not. Imagine trying to play vampire survivors or any similar game on this for extended periods. Hopefully Intel figures that out before this releases or soon after
@@officerminiwheats the battery is still bigger tho, it would balance out
@@GrimAbstract so why not take advantage of it instead of wasting power? We have no idea what the actual performance/efficiency curve is cause Dave's just being paid to promote a product that isn't ready yet (and using outdated info on other handhelds). We should just wait to evaluate assertions like that once the device is being actually reviewed
@@officerminiwheats I mean we have no clue right now. I wish I had an answer for you, but if you want decent battery bro I suggest the steam deck OLED
I love gaming handhelds, good thing we're getting more competition this year.
You forgot to mention which operating system it runs on so I'll presume it's Windows.
Yeah Probably windows
The Airflow on the MSI Claw will be a formidable device
from my experience having an MSI workstation laptop. The cooler boost feature maintains heat, even in humid situations, but it also keeps a stable FPS as well in most games.
I see only one usb-c like the Ally, which is extremely annoying. I also didn't see an m.2 slot anywhere in the internals. I wonder if storage is soldered. That would be very unfortunate.
And to me, that would be a dealbreaker.
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Great intro to the MSI Claw. I like how the first thing you described was the ergonomics of the device.
I haven’t watched Dave in a while and now he looks like Loki 😂
Man I’d love to see an apple m powered handheld.
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I would not closed source garbage
Iphone 15 pro basically is. But macOS is terrible for gaming. It has so few native titles
Yeah I've been saying nintendo and apple should join forces.
No
Really excited to see how the retail unit turns out and how they price it
The most sad thing is that for some reason everyone in pc handhelds market besides valve, ayaneo and gpd embrace this GAMERS aesthetics.
Like, i understand, there's a number of people who enjoy bright led lights, shiny black glossy devices, ok ok there's a market for that. But can you also make a device for everyone else? Valve, the company who did maybe 5 hardware devices in their lifetime did that from the first try and then everyone is like no, our devices have to show that they are MEANT FOR GAMERS.
I'm really happy Intel is bothering to compete. I'm not sure how much more powerful computers, even for gaming, can get and still have practical use. But it's so amazing seeing these increasingly powerful handhelds. Its amazing how much they are doing to make PC gaming more accessible and genuinely feel more free (as in being able to natively play favorite games anywhere). It's a joy I haven't felt since I got my first Gameboy.
We need more 8' plus screen on handheld. 7' is still too small for most 3A games
I originally purchased a steam deck, but then switched to the Lenovo legion go because of that reason. 7 inches was too small for me
I don't care if it looks like a black Rog Ally, I want this.
good to know dave prefers a Bulbous Hump™
I love the RGB Analog stick!!! MSI Claw is fantastic 😍😍😍
It sure took Intel a while to get into this new wave of handheld computing.
Looks like a good start, though. I'm looking forward to seeing how their incoming devices compete, both in performance AND in price.
intel only really develop for mass markets, so i guess they saw no real need to be in the handheld market until the steam deck showed the potential sales.
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Claw like a powerful little notebook, see many features inside.
I can almost hear the cogs turning in the global financial machine, recalibrating and adjusting to the new powerhouse that is AMS49K.
dude, can you mention the price of the products that you review? If you want us to watch a video at least include the price of the product that you review.
At the time it didn’t have a price tag, it was a pre-production unit…
It took so long but I am glad we are finally here! I look forward to the future of portable gaming
All Gabe did was give us a handheld gaming device for our steam library and now we have a whole handheld gaming console war imagine that
Dave's accent is pronounced when he says "Button" i love it
I know you usually don't review these little gaming handhelds often but would love for you to try out the AYN Odin 2 that just came out and see how you feel about using it compared to these systems. I find it's a really nice, more portable, and longer lasting android alternative to the x86 handhelds that have been popping up.
In its current state, its lowest TDP setting is so high that you'll have low battery life even when playing very lightweight games. They also choose FHD screen resolution, meaning it will consume even more power. And on top of that - RGB led strips, which don't add functionality, but eat battery nonetheless. I don't see how this competes with other handhelds.
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It has 30% larger battery than Asus Ally
15w on this thing should more battery life than Asus Ally at 15w
Asus Ally uses 1080p display too.... most portable gaming devices uses 1080p screen except steam deck
The only way Intel could even think about having an advantage over the other handhelds is if they worked with MSI in tandem on this.
All the other companies are making their software in house, but if MSI got actual Intel engineers and software guys to help with their stuff they may have an advantage in the stability and functionality of their software and tools.
if Dave doesn’t get the Switch 2 first to demo then i’m gonna be disappointed!
I remember you testing that dual 1080 Acer monster laptop some years ago. Insane that we ended up with handheld devices
ASUS: You can copy my homework but change it up a bit.
MSI:
A company that is very strong in the design of competitive gaming notebooks can definitely put technology into handheld mobile phones. In addition to the functions and comfort when holding it, the design can definitely meet the needs of users.
What concerns me is the MicroSD card placement looks identical from the Ally i hope we dont get card frying issues on MSI
Kind've surprised that the Ally is the only handheld so far to have released with VRR. It's pretty essential on a device like this that will most often be running games at sub-60 fps, especially when you don't have any workaround solutions like the Deck's adjustable refresh-rate.
It is sad that Meteor Lake wasn't as efficient as it hoped to be. I hope Arrow Lake would be really better. I am also excited on how the Rentable unit architecture be like.
I like the look of it, and it appears to be comfortable in the hand. Add in the large battery and it really just comes down to Intel drivers and price.
microSD port seems to be in a very similar spot to the ROG Ally 😅
I really hope it won't have the same SD card issues as the Ally
Love the ergonomic design and form factor, I'm sure the cooling would be great on an MSI device!
Now It's Aliienware's turn to show updated version of UFO. Thanks to Valve these are happening.
First the Steam Deck. Then Asus Rog Ally. Next Legion Go. Then Steam Deck OLED. Now MSI Claw.
It’s amazing how far handheld gaming has come. The PSP and PS Vita were truly ahead of their time. Sony can compete with the new handhelds if they wanted
One thing that's off about the non-Steam deck PC handhelds is that their screens are way too good for what the devices can do. They consume more electricity and they need considerably more power to use at their peak specs.
Nintendo and Valve wisely stuck to lower spec displays, and it's not just to reduce the cost of their devices. It would be different if you could upgrade the chip and thermals down the line, but that's not the case yet.
It's impressive that Intel can compete in the handheld console market, hopefully they will continue to improve even more.
@@Garrus-ub7mf Same price as the Z1 Extreme ROG Ally.
No pricing as of yet 😂@@TexasJoe1985
Folding phones, gaming handhelds, record players, boom box, can we make sd cards come back for the phones? I wonder what else is gonna come back next
I knew when getting the Ally that more powerful hardware would be released within the next year and I’m okay for that. It’s pretty exciting to see and still love what my Ally can do
Love the way how Dave explained the difference between 2 products. Better cooling shall be important while traveling around, especially in those southern regions with humid weather., and it shall stand for better sustainable performance under long-hour gameplay.
That's the perfect hairdo for some early 80's italodisco.
10 years ago, we had intel 4000 series chunky laptops--plugged in that couldn't get consistent 30ps at 720p LOW in games like Assassins Creed Blackflag, now we have this.
I cant wait to see how well these handhelds evolve 5 years from now, might not need a gaming laptop by then anymore
the big players are now joining in.
Every time i click dave2d's videos i always replay that buttery smooth intro.
I can't believe the market is that big as for so many competitors...
I still cant get over the fact how awesome your hair looks bro. Just solid.
Dave we'd really appreciate a full review once it's a released product. Preproduction reviews are always skewed to developer's side, because they can caveat anything they want
I would argue it's the other way around. Preproduction units are usually missing more things than retail ones, and they're far more prone to bugs or just having certain things not work.
@@alexandremaximov3885 I mean that both final and preprod can, say, have bad battery life and performance. If you supply Dave2D with a released product, then his verdict on battery life or performance is final. And nobody buys them. But if you give a "preprod" unit (even if you're not planning on any changes), then he can't make such conclusions without a caveat. And then you're not missing any sales, because Dave2d isn't outright criticizing the product. And therefore it's imperative that whatever you send to reviewers is marked as preprod, because they can't make any negative final conclusions.
@@alexandremaximov3885 I think the point the OP is making is that when Dave2D is presenting the device, MSI can say what they don't want mentioned since its a preproduction unit or what they don't want tested because it's preproduction unit. So you mostly end up with a very surface level "first impression" video that doesn't actually test what the product is like in its final form. This happened with the ROG Ally. Everyone fell over themselves to give their first impression of the preproduction unit, then never really mentioned it again. All of the issues the unit had weren't even really mentioned after launch.
Thanks Dave! Sharing the difference between Ally and the new Claw. Can't wait to feel the MSI Claw
I wish msi took a lenovo approach, and actually did something interesting and innovative with the device. The appeal to hardcore gamer is something that has been done to death. If it was a tiny bit more casual and just had cooler features (even like a trackpad for navigation in UIs) I think its performance numbers wouldn't matter as much, and it might actually get more popular than the ally.
Though I do own 0 handhelds, so maybe my opinion doesn't really matter lol
Man what a time to be a handheld gamer. We are so spoilt for choice!
finally, buttons that light up! this is actually a good feature for playing at night with all the lights off in bed :)
My thoughts on the cooler boost... If they have thunderbolt (which is a very intel thing) you can use an External GPU and then utilize the cooler boost to help stop it from thermal throttling while acting like a desktop. So it's less for mobile and more for the home experience. Bet their dock is going to try to take full advantage of those settings.
We need more competition as consumers
1:09 "Despite It's FLATNESS It does have a very FLAT grip." - Dave 2024.
Rog Ally is literally in my cart, the competition is high I think we need to wait another 6 months for complete handheld PC
Asus confirmed a new model later this year, so I would definitely hold off unless you really want it now
That ventilation holes, probably not the best idea to bring it out for camping or to the beach.
competition is good, everybody benefits from it; like getting those things cheaper when others are available too