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  • @julianfuentes320
    @julianfuentes320 Pƙed 5 lety +565

    you have to love how star wars keeps making open-faced helmets for pilots IN SPACE, i mean, that thing is just decent enough to keep you from smashing your head, if your canopy cracks or your ship gets disabled, the "eject" lever might as well be replaced with a suicide pill dispenser

    • @kauske
      @kauske Pƙed 3 lety +24

      Starwars has some of the worst mechanical design in all of scifi, they need to hire more mechanical consultants, especially for their technical books. The whole thing is an absolute mess. And it gets worse when you factor in how their scale of numbers is all wonky too. Like a planet-wide city only having a few billion inhabitants, which would leave stupidly vast amounts of empty buildings.

    • @oceanbytez847
      @oceanbytez847 Pƙed 3 lety +20

      @@kauske tbf star wars was never meant to be accurate and accuracy isn't required for a series to be enjoyable. If accuracy is what you desire then the space show with space wizards isn't exactly the right place to look lol.
      Just about everything in star wars gets half of all science wrong, but its still cool. Rule of cool was and is liberally used while writing star wars.
      Try checking out The Expanse. Its A LOT more realistic in every way.

    • @kauske
      @kauske Pƙed 3 lety +6

      @@oceanbytez847 Number one, this error in scale would be like saying your protagonists are a few millimeters tall, it's nonsense that breaks the plot. If as a writer you can't figure out how to make a detail believable, don't bring it up.
      It's just bad writing when you add details that ruin the scale of grandeur in your story. Second, the expanse still isn't realistic, but a long shot.

    • @runakovacs4759
      @runakovacs4759 Pƙed 3 lety +12

      @@oceanbytez847 You can have fantasy settings that are internally consistent. Why can't you have the same for sci-fantasy?

    • @chimchu3232
      @chimchu3232 Pƙed 2 lety +4

      @@kauske planet wide cities I've read or heard about in star wars have multiple trillions of inhabitants, even city worlds smaller than coruscant had 100 billion or so. There is a problem with scale overall tho, like why are the battles so small scale when the galaxy is so large and has so many inhabitants etc. But I don't know of any large city planets that only had a few billion citizens, I've always heard it was supposed to be in the trillions

  • @aguy1272
    @aguy1272 Pƙed 5 lety +807

    Loved the phase 2 pilot armour but wasn't a big fan if phase 3 pilot armour, I get that they wanted it to resemble the empires pilots more but I never liked it

    • @emperortethysusdacertified8175
      @emperortethysusdacertified8175 Pƙed 5 lety +106

      Same here. Had the whole "Open face" been a large, black visor instead it would've looked a lot better, at least in my opinion

    • @LAV-III
      @LAV-III Pƙed 5 lety +3

      I kind of like it but I do prefere the phase 2 and 1

    • @cooper7838
      @cooper7838 Pƙed 5 lety +9

      It's not called "phase 3."

    • @cooper7838
      @cooper7838 Pƙed 5 lety +8

      There's no such thing as Phase 3...

    • @aguy1272
      @aguy1272 Pƙed 5 lety +30

      @@cooper7838 yeah but u know what I mean

  • @demanischaffer
    @demanischaffer Pƙed 5 lety +469

    The only way I could see making the ROTS better would be making the tinted visor cover the entire pilots face

    • @CC--hs1ur
      @CC--hs1ur Pƙed 5 lety +59

      Yeah, I was wondering throughout his entire explanation if he would actually mention that. You could easily make the visor cover the whole gap to allow for survival in space; cause otherwise theirs heads' gonna explode

    • @michaelramon2411
      @michaelramon2411 Pƙed 5 lety +42

      Out of universe, I assume that they wanted to make the pilots look similar to the Original Trilogy's X-wing pilots, since the ARC-170 is the effective predecessor to the X-wing. Strangely enough, it is the Jedi starfighter that was intended to resemble the TIE (primarily with its front face plate).

    • @mxviii
      @mxviii Pƙed 5 lety +21

      @@michaelramon2411 Thats because the Jedi Starfighters were made by Sienar Fleet Systems, the guys who made the TIE fighters. The first "TIE Fighter" in the prequel trilogy was Darth Maul's Scimitar which was also designed by SFS

    • @mugwump7049
      @mugwump7049 Pƙed 4 lety +3

      @@CC--hs1ur LOL! That's not how exposition to the void of space works...
      The much maligned Leia scene from TLJ is actually much more accurate to reality than "head go boom".
      I mean, the pilot would still die anyway without a sealed protection, but from different effects.

    • @CC--hs1ur
      @CC--hs1ur Pƙed 4 lety +4

      @@mugwump7049 ik, but saying that their head would explode is just more dramatic

  • @sawnic737
    @sawnic737 Pƙed 5 lety +1433

    You forgot to mention the clone stealth pilot (probably the coolest pilot in my opinion)

  • @RKNGL
    @RKNGL Pƙed 5 lety +269

    I always figured Phase 3 was just a cheaper version of the helmet. In Battlefront 2 (2005), the clone narrator mentions that the Republic began to run out of clones specialized as pilots so they began to train large amounts of average clones as pilots. Since they needed to train a large amount of lower quality pilots they adopted a cheap design for these pilots.

    • @wyw201
      @wyw201 Pƙed 5 lety +5

      Wouldn't it be more economical to send droid pilots of their own?

    • @wyw201
      @wyw201 Pƙed 5 lety +3

      @honda driver That doesn't diminish the economics of utilizing droids against droids. Plus the manufacturing of droids can greatly boost the galactic economy which in turn funds the cloning program.

    • @wyw201
      @wyw201 Pƙed 5 lety +6

      @honda driver Exactly, because men are not machines, henceforth it is better to conserve lives by manufacturing battle droids to fight battle droids.

    • @wyw201
      @wyw201 Pƙed 5 lety +1

      honda driver So much SALT, did you get replaced by a robot at work. Do you watch Star Wars just to see robots die to make yourself feel better 😂😂😂 btw, your CAPS is ON. This is the funniest shit I’ve seen.

    • @wyw201
      @wyw201 Pƙed 5 lety +1

      honda driver Hey Hey Honda-san, let’s play a game called How long can a person stay salty for 😂😂😂 try your best to be CALM

  • @peder7287
    @peder7287 Pƙed 5 lety +400

    "Why was Clone Pilot armour was so Inconsistent?".
    Now this does put a smile on my face

  • @existentialselkath1264
    @existentialselkath1264 Pƙed 5 lety +2513

    How does the 'armour' protect the clones from a vacuum when there is no front to the helmet save for the visor

    • @ggt47
      @ggt47 Pƙed 5 lety +221

      Yes! Maybe a built in inner shield?

    • @lazardprodz9148
      @lazardprodz9148 Pƙed 5 lety +126

      Clone were modified so they wouldn’t die because of genetic modifications to their body

    • @funguy873
      @funguy873 Pƙed 5 lety +176

      Easy, they don't, unless they get rescued immediately.

    • @bcam1035
      @bcam1035 Pƙed 5 lety +137

      It doesn’t the pilot had only seconds to live before dying from oxygen starvation.

    • @bcam1035
      @bcam1035 Pƙed 5 lety +346

      NASCARboss 48 No clones were like humans, so they need oxygen to live like all other living things. There were no genetic modification made to protect from the clones from the vacuum of space.

  • @BlueTeam-John-Fred-Linda-Kelly
    @BlueTeam-John-Fred-Linda-Kelly Pƙed 5 lety +456

    (helmet doesn't have full face covering)
    Geetsly's: "the one we all know and love"

    • @Sensiblefool
      @Sensiblefool Pƙed 4 lety +1

      Blue team John, Fred, Linda, Kelly id imagine if the cockpit is breached the helmet glass the orange bit fills out clones can if they want have it open for comfort

    • @conwaysquest6961
      @conwaysquest6961 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      @@Sensiblefool Or it has dead-space style slide-out metal bits.

    • @W0DAN88
      @W0DAN88 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      Run oni is hear

  • @basilisk7201
    @basilisk7201 Pƙed 5 lety +381

    The change to the first version of Phase 2 resulted in the best-looking and bad-ass armor for pilots in the entire Clone Wars, it's too bad they didn't keep them around for longer.
    Also, that scene that you showed at the end is my favorite scene in all of Star Wars the Clone Wars

    • @klaykid117
      @klaykid117 Pƙed 5 lety +12

      I like to image they were used as EVA assault armour it seems perfect to use fight in space

    • @lolmeme69_
      @lolmeme69_ Pƙed 5 lety +3

      Heh, I agree.

    • @megahunterkiller
      @megahunterkiller Pƙed 4 lety

      SHUT UP

    • @tea4life430
      @tea4life430 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      same that scene was so gud especially how the clone pilot actually survived

  • @michaelramon2411
    @michaelramon2411 Pƙed 5 lety +42

    It also makes sense for LAAT pilots to retain the more heavily armored versions over the ARC-170 flight suit because they are still expected to fly near ground combat and be exposed to small arms fire (as well as potentially being shot down in hostile territory) while the fighter and bomber pilots would mostly be fighting in space where the two biggest threats are their craft exploding and the vacuum of space, neither of which body armor is very useful against.

    • @volyann3109
      @volyann3109 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      I’ve been told It gets your head tired really quickly

    • @Aaronian99
      @Aaronian99 Pƙed 10 měsĂ­ci

      I dont think its like that in star wars. If youre getting hit in a LAAT its not a bodyshot, its you going down inside a burning metal coffin. Doesnt matter if youre wearing armor of youre not on ground combat.

    • @michaelramon2411
      @michaelramon2411 Pƙed 10 měsĂ­ci +1

      @@Aaronian99 I was thinking more about small arms - regular infantry blasters when the LAAT is landing or taking off. It's not the biggest risk to the pilot, but it seems like a reasonable possibility. And while the pilots aren't supposed to be in ground combat, if they get shot down and survive, they're definitely expected to grab a gun and contribute. We've seen plenty of people survive hard LAAT landings (though very few pilots, given their lack of plot armor).

  • @chengzhou8711
    @chengzhou8711 Pƙed 5 lety +133

    “I won’t lie, the clone pilot gear was rubbish and it needed to focus on visibility, advanced materials, as well as comfort. The most recent flight suit was the best, in my opinion.” ARF/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion

    • @volyann3109
      @volyann3109 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      442nd, huh. I’m a 104th Arc-170 pilot. What capital ship are you stationed on? I’m on the Triumphant.

  • @axel.1358
    @axel.1358 Pƙed 4 lety +10

    I really like and appreciate how you gave both in universe and real life explanations for the inconsistencies, that was a nice touch

  • @Ehrathorn
    @Ehrathorn Pƙed 5 lety +55

    Pretty sure the open face helmet could seal itself by dropping the visor down. Because as you said, 1 minute of air and then exposed to open vacuum doesn't make sense. Doesn't matter how much air is flowing if the visor remains open, you still don't get the oxygen. Even after the air runs out he would still have a short while left before carbon dioxide poisoning. Also exposure to the vacuum would kill him before the 1 minute air ran out if it didn't seal.

    • @wulferikgebhardt5312
      @wulferikgebhardt5312 Pƙed 5 lety +4

      Seems reasonable to focus on pilot comfort and FoV (and therefore performance) in crafts that allowed it and integrating just an emergency shutter into the helmet.
      Another alternative would be blood oxygenators that could keep the pilot alive even in hard vacuum with a breached suit. Giving pilots special modifications/ implants for this doesnÂŽt sound too far off for the Kaminoans, possibly combined with drugs protecting against acceleration trauma.
      Yes, you can stretch 1 minute of air/ pure oxygen for quite a while with CO2 scrubbers.

    • @KxEwl
      @KxEwl Pƙed 4 lety +4

      I see what you mean because it makes no sense to even have emergency oxygen. As all it would do is fly out of the helmet and help pressurise space providing the pilot with zero protection from the vacuum of space so it would make a lot of sense to me and you to agree with the emergency shutter interfaced into the helmet.

    • @SomeoneYouHate
      @SomeoneYouHate Pƙed rokem +1

      That's exactly what I thought. Althrough it doesn't seem like it could drop down with the way the visor is shaped. My theory is that they had these magnetic shields(Like the ones in the landing bays of star destroyers) that would turn on to provide protection from the outside vacuum. However this is also quite a far stretch. Maybe they had an oxygen mask that would cover their lower part of the face?

  • @doggishshadow3245
    @doggishshadow3245 Pƙed 5 lety +687

    The grammar in the title lol
    *Why was clone pilot amour was so inconsistent*

    • @cubanassasin
      @cubanassasin Pƙed 5 lety +15

      Doggish Shadow32 i think the English spell it that way. Like how they spell color colour

    • @Urmom-dd1mh
      @Urmom-dd1mh Pƙed 5 lety +10

      CubanAssassin Nope, he the spelling is bad here

    • @smoldoggy1005
      @smoldoggy1005 Pƙed 5 lety +10

      Why is there a second was

    • @yagamomay
      @yagamomay Pƙed 5 lety +3

      Jack wright why u so salty bruh

    • @TheLeatheryman
      @TheLeatheryman Pƙed 5 lety +4

      It’s called a typo and no one uses English grammar more betterer than the English

  • @OllamhDrab
    @OllamhDrab Pƙed 5 lety +9

    An interesting RL point to draw on is that different aircraft actually often come with or specify their own particular helmets, so they like plug in, fit the cabin, interface with HUDs, etc. Could be why there were variants out there.

  • @fracturedframe1462
    @fracturedframe1462 Pƙed 5 lety +93

    Sees Mace Windu riding a droid starfighter like a horse

  • @iliadnetfear2586
    @iliadnetfear2586 Pƙed 5 lety +242

    Personally, I liked the look of the Phase 1 armour over Phase 2.

    • @flashflood9929
      @flashflood9929 Pƙed 5 lety +20

      IliadNetFear You monster
      Jk

    • @anthonyh3129
      @anthonyh3129 Pƙed 5 lety +5

      :o

    • @gizemeserdulgergil2275
      @gizemeserdulgergil2275 Pƙed 5 lety +2

      Agreed Vic

    • @DarthTrazyn
      @DarthTrazyn Pƙed 5 lety +19

      I much prefer the phase 1 helmet to the phase 2, I don't actually remember what the difference is between the actual armors are, but the phase 1 helmet looks better, more sleek and simple

    • @jacobcool8974
      @jacobcool8974 Pƙed 5 lety

      IliadNetFear ya

  • @sithlord2225
    @sithlord2225 Pƙed 5 lety +89

    What about the Black Ops pilot armor from the first admiral Trench episode? I think they also repurposed the armor for ARC-170s later on down the show
    But finally someone made a video on this, this had been bothering me for a while!!

    • @zeratul____1228
      @zeratul____1228 Pƙed 4 lety

      By the looks of it the Bad Batch gear is just mix and matching gear from all divisions and specializations across the Clone Army, even from the Commandos gear.

    • @tea4life430
      @tea4life430 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      @@zeratul____1228 where do u get bad batch from Black Ops Clones? He means Commander Blackout from the Cat and Mouse episode

    • @zeratul____1228
      @zeratul____1228 Pƙed 4 lety

      @@tea4life430 Lol I have no idea. My bad.

    • @tea4life430
      @tea4life430 Pƙed 4 lety

      Zeratul____12 lol 😂

  • @DrewBisthebestdealwithit
    @DrewBisthebestdealwithit Pƙed 5 lety +114

    Still loving the new intro

    • @goldeagle6431
      @goldeagle6431 Pƙed 5 lety +1

      Drew B It's hardly new anymore.

    • @DrewBisthebestdealwithit
      @DrewBisthebestdealwithit Pƙed 5 lety

      Torik Jast true, but I enjoy it

    • @KrystalcKobra769
      @KrystalcKobra769 Pƙed 5 lety +1

      meh, I think it's slightly boring

    • @gadgez_
      @gadgez_ Pƙed 5 lety

      B A T T L E F R O N T

    • @staple_boi
      @staple_boi Pƙed 5 lety +1

      It's actually slightly off in timing trust me used to be one of the few games I'd play on my dad's original Xbox as a kid but yeah I like it

  • @Nobal6SNPR
    @Nobal6SNPR Pƙed 4 lety +3

    To me, it would make sense for certain helmets in certain situations, like a Dropship/Close Air support pilot to wear the full armor because of the shootdown potential, where as a fighter pilot (space) would only really need the minor protection for shock. On top of situation, it would depend on the craft's Life support system and how the armor accommodated it.

  • @chriswoody4243
    @chriswoody4243 Pƙed 5 lety +8

    Didnt see anything about this but I absolutely love the battlefront 1 og intro

    • @dukctape
      @dukctape Pƙed 4 lety

      seriously, what a nostalgia hit

  • @LegoClone17
    @LegoClone17 Pƙed 5 lety +1

    Another reason might be that clone pilots might prefer up-armored variants for CAS or short missions. It would make sense for CAS because the Z95 we almost exclusively see in atmosphere alongside the LAAT, the fact that there is more armor could be attributed to the fact if the pilot was shot down they would have some form of protection whilst on the ground. Meanwhile the Episode III model is better for long range or prolonged space battles. The open faced design might also have some sort of force field that closes the gap or the visor comes down to create a seal (I mean, why else would they have a chest mounted life support system?)

  • @EnderLord007
    @EnderLord007 Pƙed 3 lety +2

    Something I'd also consider is the protection afforded to pilots who may need to exit their craft under duress. If I'm a gunship pilot flying low and fast gun runs over active combat zones, and there's a significant chance that I might be shot down and required to ditch, I'd like full face and body protection so that I might more easily survive the scenic hike back to the airfield.

  • @torstensommer4319
    @torstensommer4319 Pƙed rokem +1

    I like the chestbox of the Phase II Clones which looks like the imperial TIE pilot chestbox, with the "little" excemption that it didnÂŽt provide survival in space longer than one minute.

  • @Fi_Sci_
    @Fi_Sci_ Pƙed 5 lety +33

    In the Films it seemed like it went From good to bad in my opinion, From a design perspective perhaps they wanted to go for a more Suicide approach in ROTS with the open Face Masks đŸ€·â€â™‚ïž

    • @RKNGL
      @RKNGL Pƙed 5 lety +3

      Open face is far less realistic

    • @Fi_Sci_
      @Fi_Sci_ Pƙed 5 lety +4

      Corrupted Archangel You could always go into further detail than just a few words, You might’ve actually gotten the point across...The 3rd phase is more related to a Tie Fighter Pilot, And the phase 2 Design is most Related to how Our Real Military’s Air Force looks-Just with the edition of protective armor.

    • @Fi_Sci_
      @Fi_Sci_ Pƙed 5 lety +1

      Vic Viquor You don’t have to tell me *Twice* I agree.

    • @Fi_Sci_
      @Fi_Sci_ Pƙed 5 lety +1

      Vic Viquor haha I guess you’re right then a few extra words does help clear things up.

  • @emmanuelmorris7653
    @emmanuelmorris7653 Pƙed 5 lety +28

    Can you do other special forces groups? Like the rebels spec-ops marines, Nimbus commando or mistryl shadow guard

  • @Taartin
    @Taartin Pƙed 4 lety +1

    You are my favorite star wars channel on yt. You actually put effort in and you are really relaxing to listen to since you know how to for example lower your voice when needed and dont talk in a very monotenous way. Also the topics are way less clickbaity.

  • @troo_6656
    @troo_6656 Pƙed 5 lety +29

    Am I right when I say that the fourth version was upgraded by the Empire?

    • @otacogaming
      @otacogaming Pƙed 5 lety +2

      Vojta Janda it probably more like moved to the empire

  • @emilhaugsbakk7281
    @emilhaugsbakk7281 Pƙed 4 lety +2

    The original armor was used for ground assault where they would need the protection once they land. While the comfy armor was for space combat or for pilots of drop ships who was not going to be involved in the ground combat.

  • @rcybergaming
    @rcybergaming Pƙed 3 lety +1

    I am happy that you mentioned the obvious animation for helmets in the clone wars show

  • @zingtea
    @zingtea Pƙed 5 lety +16

    8:08 Same reason the imperial bridge crew in Rebels all pull their hats down to cover their eyes, despite being in a dimly lit room 😑

  • @luckysix1015
    @luckysix1015 Pƙed 5 lety +3

    My favorite design is the first phase 2 helmet. I always thought the open helmets didn’t make sense for the clones. And the phase one always looked uncomfortable because of the tubes entering through the back of the helmet instead of he front.

  • @kolinmartz
    @kolinmartz Pƙed 3 lety +2

    I like to think that the third variant automatically seals itself with a hidden retractable section that goes between the visor and the in an event of an emergency. Kinda like how pilots today sometimes would just have their mask hanging on the side of their flight helmet if they’re not in high enough altitude and not doing anything strenuous.

  • @LoneWolf20213
    @LoneWolf20213 Pƙed 5 lety +8

    Should have been equipped with space capable suits and jet packs to be able to survive in space if they are ejected

  • @testosteronetom7366
    @testosteronetom7366 Pƙed 4 lety +2

    there is also the issue of logistics that also helps explains discrepancies in armor. With an army that big and spread out it takes some serious production and logistics to support it and honestly front line troops are much more important than pilots

  • @hanifloka130
    @hanifloka130 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    The full face helmet Phase 2 pilot armor is my favorite because it looks badass. The 4th variant (6:19) also looks good. Shame we couldn't see it with Clone Wars HD rendering.

  • @GiantBoarMonster
    @GiantBoarMonster Pƙed 3 lety +1

    I like the ARC pilot helmets as a strange hybrid of the Rebel and Imperial helmets. Though the only way ARC pilot helmets make sense is if there's an optional faceplate attachment that snaps into place to seal it in case of breach or ejection. Not a terrible idea when it's designed for more comfort with a backup re-breather/oxygen supply. Some concept art seems to indicate this functionality, where it's basically an ARC-170 helmet with the faceplate. Usually designated V-Wing pilots. If V-Wings had no onboard life support it's likely helmets issued for those pilots were manufactured with a sealed faceplate. You can then see how there's a divergence in helmets afterwards between Rebels and the Empire, but it's left up in the air as to what came first, the Rebel helmet or the Imperial helmet. I tend to think the Imperial helmet came first, then Rebels stole that and modified it for use in their fighters that provided comfy life support. Odd as it seems, there's a possibility the open faced "Rebel" helmet was originally a variant of the Imperial helmet. Mind you I'm just speculating over what we see in the movies or in preproduction concepts instead of EU stuff.
    I imagine the standard Rebel pilot helmet also had a backup rebreather attachment, similar to the oxygen masks they had on the Millennium Falcon. Rebel helmets had much greater freedom of movement compared to the ARC-170 helmets with the huge unnecessary bottom half. Originally, the Rebel pilot helmets were designed with an oxygen/rebreather attachment, and there's a photo or two of this helmet they developed for the original movie before cutting it down to a simple chin strap. The whole notion of a shield bubble generated by their helmets is silly to me. Evidence points otherwise.
    I wish concept artists who designed all the clone pilot helmets, any of the clone armor designs really, would provide some insights into their design choices. Like what did they have in mind when it came to aspects of the armor that have an unspecified functionality. Typically all the behind the scenes stuff is pretty shallow and doesn't really get into specifics. Like for instance, how do all the belt boxes on a Clonetrooper function? There's a lot you can infer and guess about, especially if you look into the development of tech in historical warfare, or even the aesthetics.

  • @TheRomanRuler
    @TheRomanRuler Pƙed 3 lety +1

    I choose to believe at least those clone open face helmets had something like "airbag" which automatically activated in vacuum and sealed every part of the helmet. Otherwise i don't see reason for helmets to be as heavy duty from the front as they are.

  • @TungstenHaze
    @TungstenHaze Pƙed 5 lety +38

    Had a stroke trying to read the title “Why was Clone Pilot armour was so Inconsistent?”

    • @snipeyboi5934
      @snipeyboi5934 Pƙed 5 lety

      another comment about the title, we get it.

  • @Kaiber_Phoenix
    @Kaiber_Phoenix Pƙed 5 lety +1

    Kinda surprised they didn't use a transparasteel face plate similar to what the clone cadets used with the added life support of course so if they get sucked out there still protected with the advantage of having full line of sight

  • @admiralsand
    @admiralsand Pƙed 3 lety +1

    For the phase 2 open face helmet, they should install a drop-down full face sealed visor so that they have good visibility and a way to survive longer in vacuum

  • @TheLeatheryman
    @TheLeatheryman Pƙed 5 lety +1

    Honestly I don’t understand why TCW went with that interim phase 2 design when they could have just as easily used the the micro series version based on the full face ARC-170 pilot, which they completely ignored. Perhaps that was being saved for the V-wings which is the correct helmet as far as I’m aware. Great video btw, this is among my favourite subjects

  • @J.L.The-runt
    @J.L.The-runt Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Despite the complications mentioned, I still prefer the phase 2-version 1 clone pilot armor cuz the helmet design. As for the subject around 8:03 I felt like the tv show didn’t have rights to use the revenge of the sith clone pilot designs as to what I thought for the clone airborne troopers for the 212th and the scout troopers of the 41st etc, that’s what I thought instead of just budget to animate those clone designs...

  • @UncleMikeDrop
    @UncleMikeDrop Pƙed 5 lety +1

    Honestly, a self contained pressure suit equipped with independent life support systems makes perfect sense regardless of the vessel being piloted. After all, a starfighter with full life support ceases to support life if its cockpit/canopy is breached whilst in extreme altitude, hostile atmospheres, or space. It leaves no margin for error. That's why I always took issue with the open faced flight helmets used by rebel pilots.

  • @That0neGuy20XX
    @That0neGuy20XX Pƙed 4 lety +1

    I would go with a combination of the third and fourth variants of clone fighter helmets to maintain a greater field of view with the addition of a life support system that would help in the vacuum of space.

  • @chrishansen1293
    @chrishansen1293 Pƙed 5 lety +1

    Surprised the writers never just figured to do a normal looking pilot helmet: skull cap, big visor, O2 mask. Hell, even a helmet based off of U-2, SR-71, or X-15 could've been practical looking and still "Spacey".

  • @CatchCraftInc
    @CatchCraftInc Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Geetsly always answering questions I never knew I had

  • @InventorZahran
    @InventorZahran Pƙed 4 lety +17

    The real title: "Why was Clone Plot Armour so Inconsistent?"

  • @smorgington
    @smorgington Pƙed 5 lety +16

    Had a stroke reading that title

  • @TheEpicDartfish
    @TheEpicDartfish Pƙed 5 lety +1

    Before watching the video:
    I think the armours cater to the role of the pilot:
    Phase 1 was just the default armour, and they just rolled with it.
    Phase 2 armour: Those fighter pilots needed the armour to sustain the G-Force of dogfighting, as we've seen they were primarily worn by combat pilots. They were upgraded to cater to the previous problems.
    The one without a front: The pilots catered to comfort and maneuverability, thus raising their performance. They have essential armour was just to protect their vitals to protect the pilot from small arms, so they don't die if the shot gets through. This new uniform probably saves on cost and the unnecessary helmet blocked too much field of vision.

  • @goldeagle6431
    @goldeagle6431 Pƙed 5 lety +17

    It was inconsistent because the Senate was not a pilot.

  • @Clonetrooperz48
    @Clonetrooperz48 Pƙed 5 lety +1

    you forgot something about the 4th set, they could open up like the third, and has the ability to open/close the mask, so open when flying, closed when in space.

  • @azistis_5539
    @azistis_5539 Pƙed 5 lety +3

    I think the clone pilot helmet, should have been a combination between: the first phase back head, the third one's visor, among with the mouth and chin of the second one.

  • @bradabrott300
    @bradabrott300 Pƙed 9 měsĂ­ci +1

    I agree. For example, what are the correct pilots and colors for a Fox’s Coruscant LAAT Gunship?

  • @FlickTheBrick
    @FlickTheBrick Pƙed 5 lety +1

    There is in fact another variant not mentioned in this video: a Phase 1 ARC-170 pilot variant.
    This clone pilot variant appears briefly during the Kamino episodes of TCW. It resembles Imperial AT-AT driver armour, albeit with some Phase 1 features. I advise you go look it up, it’s really dope!

    • @fabianrocha9924
      @fabianrocha9924 Pƙed rokem

      You mean the guy whose Armor Fives stole when he was trying to uncover the Order 66 Conspiracy? I think that was just Odd Ball with normal Phase II Armor

  • @x.p.3574
    @x.p.3574 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    I wonder why the first phase two armor resembles speeder trooper armor from the Empire’s stormtroopers, I wonder if there’s any significance there, and if not, I wonder why the speeder troopers’ armor needs that extra room.

  • @seangatje8142
    @seangatje8142 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    I love how you mention the animators, great touch.

  • @halokid1002
    @halokid1002 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    My favorite version was phase 2 version 1. I just like how it looks like an Air Force helmet

  • @darthsamee8540
    @darthsamee8540 Pƙed 4 lety

    Those pics of the two pilots from o.g battlefront 2 (2005) brought tears

  • @ChickenLiver911
    @ChickenLiver911 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Phase two mark one with a phase 2 mark 3 flightsuit would have been smartest. It would recycle oxygen, be comfortable, armoured (to a degree) and wouldn’t expose you to the vacuum.

  • @giannimura8870
    @giannimura8870 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    The phase 2 looks the coolest by far, but phase 3 is probably more practical for peripheral vision and comfort

  • @SocalCoyote
    @SocalCoyote Pƙed 5 lety +1

    3:49 that “ah shit” face lol.

  • @forbiddenregicide7240
    @forbiddenregicide7240 Pƙed 5 lety +3

    Could you talk about the different phases of clone fighters please. I’m kind of confused with the when and why there was different fighters the clones used

  • @flip3nt_422
    @flip3nt_422 Pƙed 4 lety

    6:45
    Can we all appreciate that amazing clip from clone wars

  • @jackykwan3241
    @jackykwan3241 Pƙed 3 lety

    6:41 This Mace Windu is dope

  • @pootispencerhere921
    @pootispencerhere921 Pƙed 4 lety +3

    i like how u recreated the starwars battlefront 1 opening

  • @neanderthalknight9417
    @neanderthalknight9417 Pƙed rokem +1

    Animators said they reused clone armor for the senate guards because they didn;t have the memory on their servers to make an entirely new model just for back ground characters.

  • @hellohelloington5952
    @hellohelloington5952 Pƙed 5 lety +1

    I'm rather sure the first set of clone armor used in phase 2 (the one that looks a lot like an ARF trooper) was also used in Phase 1 by Z-95 and V-19 pilots.

  • @M4A3Sherman
    @M4A3Sherman Pƙed 5 lety +1

    Well it would be a good idea for pilots to use the original phase II version if they were in heavy combat. Also long distance missions would be good to have the original version in case the cockpit is breached.

  • @boiltthestarwarsguy8929
    @boiltthestarwarsguy8929 Pƙed 5 lety +29

    How on earth would that clone with open helmet breathe his emergency oxygen in vacuum? It would not be possible I was waiting for an explanation but on came so can someone plz explain it?

    • @TheTacoTimeMachine
      @TheTacoTimeMachine Pƙed 5 lety +3

      Little force field ? Or cover came up maybe ?

    • @boiltthestarwarsguy8929
      @boiltthestarwarsguy8929 Pƙed 5 lety +2

      @Slavic Their mouth is exposed and so is their nose

    • @mxviii
      @mxviii Pƙed 5 lety +1

      They dont. They could only survive for a minute in vacuum, which is why the close faced hybrid helmets were developed.

    • @skidskid9079
      @skidskid9079 Pƙed 5 lety

      im pretty sure its like a rebreather that really sucks cause its like a minute of oxygen

    • @boiltthestarwarsguy8929
      @boiltthestarwarsguy8929 Pƙed 5 lety +1

      @@mxviii but he said that the open design had this feature

  • @LyricalViking
    @LyricalViking Pƙed 5 lety +1

    That intro brought me so many battlefront memories.

  • @ixallarel
    @ixallarel Pƙed 4 lety +1

    phase 2 was my favorite for all the clones in my opinion.

  • @donalddeluxe6407
    @donalddeluxe6407 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    I legitimately like the second pilot helmet. Would be a cooler helmet than what pilots use today.

  • @willthenoob9586
    @willthenoob9586 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Love phase 2 pilot armor looks totally sick

  • @kerricaine
    @kerricaine Pƙed 4 lety +3

    the actual out of universe explanation for all the variants? action figures. collectors go nuts for clone variants.

  • @sabercentora1077
    @sabercentora1077 Pƙed 5 lety

    The open faced one seems like the visor shot down because if you look back there a gap that looks like the visor slips in

  • @wulferikgebhardt5312
    @wulferikgebhardt5312 Pƙed 5 lety +3

    ARF vs. AT-RT driver vs. clone scout armour, please.

  • @imaginewagons7169
    @imaginewagons7169 Pƙed 5 lety

    6:43 The action scene with this music in the background made me crack up

  • @passiveplayz7415
    @passiveplayz7415 Pƙed 5 lety +1

    i wonder how the training process was for pilots. we saw the regular ground soldiers with Domino Sauad but we never saw anything with the pilots

  • @bigredwolf6
    @bigredwolf6 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    They thought “hey our clone pilots die a lot. Must be because of the armor. Let’s change it!”

  • @samuelmeasa9283
    @samuelmeasa9283 Pƙed 3 lety

    Didn't think about the animation reason for the armor types. Rather I was thinking "The toy lines need bolstering".

  • @Wi-Fi-El
    @Wi-Fi-El Pƙed 4 lety +1

    If they make a TOR trilogy of films, would you want it to be an exact revival of the video game storyline, or would you be open to changes as long as they honor the spirit and general plot of the games?

  • @ItsLifeJim_VB
    @ItsLifeJim_VB Pƙed 4 měsĂ­ci

    I think the use of the armour sets make a little sense.
    Fighter Pilots use the 3rd variant for comfort in their ships because they're combat only roles.
    Transport and CAS pilots use the 2nd variant due to the likelihood of them being shot down or having to abandon ship to take up combat roles alongside the ground troops they had transported prior.
    This isn't definitive (I dont think) and is purely based on my observations from watching the show, movies, and other media like games and books. However I believe I am correct because if you were to look for yourself, you can also see what I am talking about since I haven't seen a LAAT pilot in V3 gear, or an ARC-170 pilot in V2 gear.
    Either way, we can all agree the designs are pleasingly unique in their own ways.

  • @TheMlgFox
    @TheMlgFox Pƙed 5 lety +6

    No comment about the stealth pilot armor? Those look heavily modified

  • @Lalasfritas
    @Lalasfritas Pƙed 4 lety +1

    7:34
    That's an ARF Trooper? I thought he was just an at-rt driver. I mean they only slightly look similar

  • @RealMisterDoge
    @RealMisterDoge Pƙed 4 lety

    Love that music track at the end that exists solely to get you to 10 minutes

  • @Tropical-
    @Tropical- Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Phase 1 Pilot Amor was my favourite

  • @darthjarjar7572
    @darthjarjar7572 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Can you make a video like this in the Jedi Starfighters? In ep 3, the Eta 2 class Interceptors seemed to replace the Delta 7's, but then Plo Koon used the Delta 7 when he was gunned down by his wingmen. Is there any specific reason for this, or did it just depend on the jedi and his mission?

  • @systemhalodark
    @systemhalodark Pƙed 5 lety +4

    Q7estion I have never seen addressed: Is there an in-universe explanation as to why the V-Wing was ditched?

    • @maskhyruken5965
      @maskhyruken5965 Pƙed 5 lety

      Systemhalodark expensive and outdated to make as compared to the tie fighter

  • @miserymorley1983
    @miserymorley1983 Pƙed 3 lety

    mans casually included the tragedy of Plo Koon’s death with no hesitation

  • @fuzzydunlop7928
    @fuzzydunlop7928 Pƙed 5 lety

    Do we know for certain that gear for the Republic war effort was rigidly standardized? We know the Clones were, but we're talking literally the galactic government - that's a lot of space. What you usually see in these sorts of scenarios - big ole' war over big ole' spaces with big ole' need for men and materiel - is that standardization wanes a bit and the gear begins to differ either due to the logistical/bureaucratic corps not being able to keep up with everything or due to command of the war effort being shifted into certain sectors, fronts, regions, etc - which might also include industrial production for the war effort.
    The folks in charge of the procuring goods in one sector might begin to differ in prerogatives and necessities to the folks in the another sector - and this can be a really good thing. An excellent example being how US Army troops assigned to the Pacific theater differed in kit from their brothers in Europe, how both differed from those in North Africa and Italy. As such, what begin as minute regional changes end up snowballing into radically different-looking armies. For instance, you wouldn't often see a GI wearing camouflage in Europe (other than 1 Ranger battalion during field testing), yet first the Marines (who just always do their own thing) and then the Army units were issued camouflage helmet liners and poncho liners, as well as specific uniforms to their locales. This happened on a unit-basis almost because military procurement is both alchemy and calculus. The airborne had a radically different kit and uniform than the rest of the army, for once - but differences based on practicality on a factory-basis can produce drastic changes. If clones in this sector don't have this bit of kit they need, but the only way we can get enough of it to them is to produce this inferior bit of kit that's much faster to produce, then the inferior bit of kit is getting produced because a larger number of clones with the second kit outweighs the fewer number of clones with the better kit.

  • @Geeza47372
    @Geeza47372 Pƙed 5 lety +9

    clone pilot phase 1 armour is the best

  • @Fed.Hunter
    @Fed.Hunter Pƙed 3 lety

    why is your channel so beautiful đŸ˜­đŸ˜€ i love all your channels

  • @michaelmcghee6594
    @michaelmcghee6594 Pƙed 5 lety

    That intro alone was enough to get my subscription damn I miss battlefront 1

  • @PixelatedBlu
    @PixelatedBlu Pƙed 5 lety +1

    Well all I care about is how cool it looks so I gotta go with the first phase 2 armor

  • @kimballbelliston5925
    @kimballbelliston5925 Pƙed 5 lety +4

    8:04 I think you meant to say
    TOYS

  • @crackingly
    @crackingly Pƙed 3 lety

    If they took the phase 2 helmet and mixed it with the revenge of the Sith jumpsuit, it could be pretty good

  • @lobo0354
    @lobo0354 Pƙed 4 lety

    They didn’t have time to create specialized armor. Like the Russian and American mass production plants. They just needed armor and lots of it and now. Throughout the war they made changes and fixes to make it easier and provide more specialized protection. It’s simple evolution. And in real life I think they just wanted to make it easy to differentiate between pilots and foot solider.

  • @kauske
    @kauske Pƙed 3 lety +1

    They wouldn't really even have a minute, if the face is open. That baggy cloth flightsuit would also be pretty worthless unless it was paired with a garment that can retain pressure somehow. In other words, if they go out into space their bare skin will be exposed to vacuum, causing swelling and discomfort, not to mention the bends. And one minute of LS is just worthless anyhow, no one's going to be able to save an ejected pilot in just a minute in space...

  • @DaSaintDemon
    @DaSaintDemon Pƙed 5 lety +4

    Last time i was so early, Naboo and the Federation were discussing a business agreement