The Trail Bike You Didn't Know You Wanted | Scor 2030 Review
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- What would happen if you lifted the geometry figures from an enduro bike and applied them to a short travel trail bike?
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My days of spending 6k+ for a mid spec bike are over, the industry refuses to learn form their mistakes, you know in 10 months that bike is going 40% off.
For less than 5k you can get a full kashima enduro Ibis or a Commencal Clash with trp dhr-evos and rs ultimate suspension setup, don't give away your money boys!
Scor living in 2030 while the rest still in 2023
Because of the price
I saw what you did there lmao
I feel like bikes like this are heading back towards 4x bikes from back in the day. Strong bikes that can take the abuse with less travel. I really like that feel in a bike and it's a lot more connected vs just having tons of travel soaking up everything.
Thanks for the detailed review!
like an early 2000s Blur 4x
would love a full video on these newer capable AF trail bikes. Tempo, Fluid, Druid, Fuel Ex. Curious how they compare
One of them might be as good as a GG Shred Dogg. Might.
Shred Dogg, the bike folks ignored because they "need more travel."
The Fluid is as good as people say it is.
Wow I was stoked to see this bike, hits alot of marks but the value is horrible for $7299. No way.
Nice set up, but about $3,000 higher than the regularly overpriced bike standard. Might as well buy a Canyon or YT. Pricing in this industry is fucked.
Love the passive aggression in the bike community 😂
I did buy a new Stumpjumper expert in last april for 4100 Euro for myself and a Stumpjumper carbon comp for 3300 Euro for my brother direct from Specialized. Both with 140mm F. and 130mm B. and SWAT-Storage.
All I did was take a phone and talk to them.
They told me those are "last years model" and they need to get ride of the parts since the new models have different colors 🤣
best deal I've ever had and I had alot of bikes in my time. Was looking for a Scott Spark LT and a Scott Genius ST aswel, but after talking to those guys for almost a week they where still a bit to pricy for my taste.
10k for cable GX, alloy rims, and a pike; you are not wrong, it might even be closer to 4500 overpriced
Too expensive. The biking industry has some soul searching to do on prices. 7k is way too much for this bike.
This and the Scott Spark seems very similar, especially with the new Spark ST version
Great review!! Thanks Mike!
Best thing about this bike is the price, it’s hilarious 😂
How do you compare this and the ripley af I’m currently using that one with 140 fox 36 carbon wheels and 203 rotor in front it feels great
love the skor in the scor
Would love to see a comparison between this and the forbidden druid since they seem to be going for a similar niche from different angles.
Forbidden 4 life ! :D
Not sure they would compare. My friend has the Druid and says he has tried with the ziggy link and without. Likes it more with all 29er wheels. However, he says it is really glued to the ground. It climbs really well but it wants to stay glued to the ground and eat up the jank. This bike seems to be more party playful and able to lift off the ground easily and probably because it has 120mm of rear travel and the Druid 130. The Druid he says feels bottomless. The SC Tallboy is probably similar to the Scor or the Ibis Ripley although the Ripley is not focused on "downcountry/enduro".
Would love to see this compared to an Evil Following
Love to see a head to head against the Izzo which has an awesome sale right now.
$7500 GX Build… pass
but but it has 120mm travel and is poppy :D
GX is fantastic, but that’s absolutely ridiculous. At least put full X01 on it for that price
@@jarnold1789 even with x01, still pass.
What build are you spending your money on then
7k is a steep price for this, with an average "boutique" brand having wireless groupsets for that price and the mail order companies like canyon and yt doing bikes equipped the same 3500-5k range
Great review Mike. How’s this bike compare to the Izzo with respect to climbing and fun factor?
good question, another Izzo rider here
@@roflKartofflel You'd dump the Izzo if Kazimer said the SCOR was better?
That sounds expensive for marginal or nonexistent "better," I think.
@@seanoneil277 no I dont think so. The Izzo is awesome. The seat tube angle(?!) is also steeper for climbing. Instead of a frame switch I would go for carbon rims as an upgrade
@@roflKartofflel The Izzo was one bike I have been considering during the past couple of years. I decided instead to build a hardtail, but I think the Izzo looks like a blast.
@@seanoneil277 Yeah I also considered a HT, but went with a Fully to compensate my poor riding skills 😜
For that price, go get the top end Izzo.
And you’d still have enough money for a proper bike trip or any fancy kit :)
Two low-end Izzos is a smarter use of the money.
You're in Bellingham, so... compared to the Smuggler? G2 and G3?
Twice the price of a Spectral 125 CF7... I know you compared them in this video but your test bike was the AL6 version* - heavier and without the flip chip that may make the handling a bit more comparable to this bike.
(*PS: Love my Spectral 125 AL6, bought it last year based on your review)
Score on the Scor Skor bar👍
Looks like a sick bike but that’s a $4500 spec at best..
7200
I guess the other Mike made good on his promise to start the “Cheesy with Levy” grilled cheese channel. I wish him the best.
I wish this bike had been an option when I bought my Epic EVO however that build is subpar for the price!
Don't feel like the epic evo is much of a comparison. Evo is much more of a beefed up XC bike. Crazy light, but sacrifices with a flex pivot rear end.
Nice Swiss MTB!!!!!👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Awesome bike lovet
cool...so i can just keep my capra cf pro from 2016 with the medium frane xD
How did it scor?
Santa Cruz Tallboy looks a bargain next to this
I've got a TallBoy with a 140mm Pike Ultimate, so the geometry numbers seem close
Another overpriced bike.
Pricing is from 2030 too
I have ran into this... there is rarely a 'sweet spot' that really accomodates traditional XCish, in the saddle type riding and more aggressive enduro... which IMO makes trail bikes hard to get 100% right.
The long, slack, low geo can absolutely be applied to short travel bikes, like the Canyon Spectral 125, Norco Optic, Fuel Ex, and now more the long legged x-country varients that use Step cast and SID forks.
HOWEVER... riding is SO different and mostly, that's where the in-the-saddle handling has no longer become priority, over the stand up, weight the front end and 'lean' the bike into corner modern style of riding.
The latter, being much more stable at both speed and pitch, because of the slacked out fork and reach, unfortuantely meants that in the less pitchy, and less speed... less control in the saddle.
Thats usually NOT a problem until you are bonked, climbing tight, off camber or transitioning in between where you HR is in the Red... its really hard to get out of the saddle to 'lean' the bike, when in the past you could just steer more in the saddle.
So, if you want a short travel bike like this it's for #1 more pedaling effeciency #2 you still can charge #3 poppy for fun... BUT I think that this type of geo is not great for overall effeciency.
This geo should come with a warning: "Do not use on trails less than ____% steep".
I think you've summarized the beliefs of the online chatter collective.
I'm not sure you're correct, though. I think you should try riding a lot of different bikes with a huge variety of geometries.
Nothing in the world makes a 65deg HA unuseable for high level XC racing. The limiting factor is racer anxiety and knowing "what works" presently, and a stubbornness/mistrust about change. Ten years ago in UCI XCO Elite, steep angles skinny tires no dropper posts. And look at them today.
I don’t know about this one but regarding the Canyon 125 I agree, on non too steep terrain you really need to charge the front (i mean to lean forward) to get a good handling of a bike. On the saddle brutal riding style is no more an option (unfortunately)
@@seanoneil277 the STA is what has been able to essentially trickle down a DH bike's geo in moderate forms of Enduro, Trail, XC... while 100% a 65 HTA will make life easier for those descents... and as the UCI makes the races more challenging, this has become more necessary, I can tell you from riding bikes in that 'trail' category that the modern Geo just makes 'in the saddle' technical riding harder, which makes sense, as you would almost typically want to be 'out of the saddle' and postured to charge and maneuver. However that position to charge and maneuver really takes more of my energy out when I'm on a steep, loose, off camber climb with switchbacks, where I'm dead already lol
@@vrwgq3q I think you may be seeing "modern geo" as a package when it's not that, or at least it doesn't have to be that. MTB frame geometries have slowly -- glacially, almost -- moved away from the origins in road bikes. What you are calling "modern geo" is a group of changes that don't all have to be there at once.
You say DH angles migrated to trail/enduro. Brother, I ask you to look at UCI World Cup Elite DH frame HAs from 15 years ago. DH itself had to migrate from road geometry, and it was quite slow in doing that as well.
The steep STA was done for 2 reasons, the primary of which was to reduce cycling activity on the rear suspension, to take rider's weight bias off the rear shock. The second reason was to try to bring the old standard for seated pedaling -- Effective Top Tube -- within reason while still having a slack HA and steep STA.
20 years ago people began playing with short stems and wide bars to slow down steering on 70, 69, 68 deg HAs. But this made the ETT too short. Suddenly, MTB media became enamored with "Reach" as if that geometric concern was never on the table before. Hell, it was always on the table as a function of STA, HA, ETT. Calling it "Reach" was just a new label for an old bike fit aspect.
On a hardtail there's no need for super steep STA because there's no rear suspension to consider, no rear sag taking your hips backward toward the rear axle.
$4,300 more than the carbon spectral 125 with GX I bought. You can upgrade to carbon wheels and bars and be down to 29er lbs for less than $5k
Please review the revel rail29
Well, the frame alone is €3.300 in Germany. Guess where that hefty price comes from.
Every bike should come with adjustable headset cups… duh
Nice bike
For around 4-4.5k usd maybe
Is it poppy and playful? 🤣
Mini-enduro? Sort of Double Down country, then.
I’ll get me coat.
My bike didn’t have “fun”, poppy, or playful listed in the specs😩
1 bike for the price of 2...what a deal!
it s called 2030 because that is the year most people can purchase it if they start saving up now
Is it me or does the seat tube angle look super slack, not steep?
It looks that way but you need to ignore the angle of the tubing and imagine the angle from the bottom bracket.
☹️ for me fun involves 27.5 wheels, or at least mullet .
For that price and build spec I would expect it to be an ebike.
I cant fathom bike companies charging $7000 for a GX eagle build when a few years ago the same spec bike (the same drivetrain and pretty close suspension specs) was around $3-3500. I ended up getting a GT sensor carbon model with Fox suspension and full gx build for $2750 in 2019-2020.
No wonder brands likes Polygon and Canyon are absolutely killing it in sales when other brands immediately price themselves out of the market like this 😂
Im sure this bike is great on the trails but after hearing you say how much it costs, I'm just no longer interested. 🤷♂️
in 2023, they are trying to sell us only the frame for the price of a bicycle, saying that this is generally normal.
guys, the prices for the whole bike have skyrocketed, so you can only buy the frame.
thanks, but is this really justified?
Ok
Sounds lke an awesome shortish travel bike. Now is there another bike out there that mere non-dentists might afford that rides similarly?
Kaz!!
these bikes are really all about the same....it's going to take real change for me to buy a new one...I've got a 2022 Stumpjumper Pro and I can't see wanting, or needing anything else in the near future
Norco Optics are basicly free right now. 🤷
I have heard short chainstays suck, atleast for larger people
I’m 5’5” and I also don’t like short chain stays. Squirly
The most practical way to describe short CS bikes: they don't give you much warning when your rear wheel is about to hit something your front tire just managed.
They require sharper reflexes and the ability to properly unweight the rear axle.
If you ever got used to riding short CS bikes on irregular terrain, going to longer CS will feel like someone is pulling your rear wheel backward from behind you, as you ride. Stand-pedaling for climbs will feel like your hips are in the wrong place and why is it taking so long for the rear tire to crest that ledge?
The tradeoff for those negatives is that it feels stable in a straight line. And it's very forgiving when you are not properly centered between the axles.
Easy pass on this one. $7k 😂
Wooo more downcountry bikes that weigh what enduro bikes now weigh.
The bike industry merry go round is not complete. Make it aluminum!
I was all in until the price
Here's there problem with Scor.. no bikes to be had nor do they get back to you.. so good luck.
Starting at 7k
Wow! Shorter wheelbases are now coming bac?. Everyone buy a new bike. LLS is dead! The Industry rules our perceptions.
Ive never seen a bike that is less of a value. There just nothing there to justify that price point.
Always confused about who these are for. Who's in the market for 120mm travel? What do you ride? Do you feel limited?
*Edit*
Based on the replies it seems down to local terrain. Im in the north east of the US and my local trails are very techy and rocky with pretty large features. The biggest and most diverse trail area located near me is in a literal stone quarry so you can imagine it's pretty rocky. My local downhill park seems to be more vertical and chunky than what I've seen in videos. So I think I may just live in an area that favors more travel. I currently ride 150mm from and rear and wish I went 160mm front and rear.
You should give a 120mm bike a try, they are a blast pretty much anywhere and usually don't feel limited unless your trails are high speed chunky. I feel like 90% of the time most people aren't on the gnarliest terrain, which makes this kind of a blast for most usual trail rides. They feel very quick and responsive and make huge days in the saddle a lot more pleasant.
If you have been riding a long time and have ridden a variety of bikes (fully rigid, hardtail, and varying travel amount FS) you can pretty easily decide on short travel. Even if the great majority of online chatter and MTB scribblers saying you need an "enduro" bike. I see a lot of people riding 150-170mm travel bikes on trails that really can be managed on a fully rigid bike. It's a lot of wasted energy but if you've never ridden simpler bikes on the same terrain, you probably wouldn't know. Really depends on where you are in your MTB experiences. You can ride an "enduro" travel range bike on any terrrain you like, but in many cases you're burning calories and watts just to have capabilities you aren't using.
I'm in an area with lots of rolling up and down and varied terrain that benefits from being in this middle ground between XC and enduro. Plus Scor is probably benefiting from recycling a customer base from their BMC offerings, so 120/130 mm of travel is probably right up the alley of an enduro-curious lycra dad
I ride a hardtail with 120mm fork, Ottawa-Gatineau, eastern Canada. Our terrain is rocky and rooty to varying degrees, and we can do 100km plus XC rides pulling in a broad range of tech level, linking with fire-road style trails, pavement, and rail trail. A 120mm bike like this would be ideal, and many here are on 130s. I’ve noted a majority of folks seem to be riding 10-30mm more travel than makes sense for their preferred trails, which is a bit to do with cutting tires and blaming suspension travel.
Being that I rode hardtails for decades (80s-00s) even 120 would have been massive, but yeah now I ride a fleet. I do ride an SB5c (130) on XC ish trails, but its tweaked to be light, its not my go anywhere bike. 120s IMO are just a stable bike or if you live in an area that is mostly flowy not too chunky trails.
nobody is 5'11''.
Nice looking bike, but $7300 for a GX build!!!!! No thanks.
huge no thanks for that price.
Another over priced bike from a boutique brand. Lovely. No wonder this sport is slowly dieing with the general public.
How does one model of SCOR bike ruin MTB for you? Is someone forcing you to sell your current bike at a loss, and buy this SCOR at maximum markup?
@seanoneil277 have you been asleep? Every bike manufacturer has been marketing bikes in the 6 grand to 13 grand range. Virtually abandoning, value bikes. The value bikes they do offer come with garbage components, compared to what value bikes came with 5 to 6 years ago.
The bike industry today is nothing more than a money grab. You will see these same bikes being in the 2 to 4 grand range new from the factory once the economy crashes due to this out of hand inflation, in a few years.
Overall, the average bike has increased anywhere from 40 to 300% from what they used to be not too long ago.
It is funny how manufacturers put on carbon wheels and a overpriced XX1 groupset and expect you to pay 13 grand for no real world benefit
@@PeterCPRail8748 Chuckles you should never assume you know the breadth and extent of another's knowledge or experience. It means you'll be wrong more than correct.
I asked a simple quesiton. How does this one SCOR bike model ruin MTB for you?
You haven't answered it.
I have been riding MTBs since the early 1990s. I know what things cost. I've been to UBI's framebuilding school and I've built CrMo frames.
You seem to want an argument but you want to argue about points I haven't made. Curious thing.
@hannes6114 to many people with too much money with idiotic money management skills. If these bikes didn't sell, they wouldn't be offered in the numbers they are by the majority of the industry. Even an ebike should not be priced more than a top of the line dirt bike, entry motorcycle, or decent used car. But again, to many people with poor financial choices.
I never paid more than 3000 grand for a full suspension bike from the manufacturer from a LBS. Up to 6 years ago, you got a killer bike right between entry and mid level, if not mid level. Now you get utter shit. You're better off buying a frame and building your own bike with second-hand parts.
Nice bike, but 1500 overpriced tbh
Still don’t want it
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Nice review Mike. I may be spitting in the wind here, but is it possible to stop calling bikes and trails "aggressive"? Neither a bicycle nor a trail is an animated, living thing with tendencies such as "aggression." Aggression is an animal quality described by humans. It's not suitable to a bike, or a trail. "Difficult, technical" for trail may be a good replacement. For bike? Travel amount, or intended trail type.
I suppose newbie riders want to see themselves as "aggressive" in order to not feel like a newbie with no experience. But fooling one's self with riding an "aggressive" bike on an "aggressive" trail doesn't make the newbie any less a newbie.
The bike's geometry and cockpit can put the rider into a position that feels more aggressive to the rider when engaging in all of the dynamic movements inherent to mountain biking. This would include but is not limited to weighting and unweighting the pedals, pumping rollers, tipping into berms, using body English to induce a controlled loss of traction (i.e. Scandi flips), preloading the suspension, squashing/scrubbing, last minute line changes, jibs of all kind etc. etc. etc. Some bike's frame geo put your body stance into a more relaxed position while making these dynamic movements, others put you into a more aggressive feeling stance. I believe this is what people mean when they say a bike or trail is more aggressive than average: the feeling of the stance that a frame's geo puts you into, or the features that a particular trail has makes you, the rider, feel like you're riding more aggressively than you normally do. It's used to describe how you, the rider, feels and not so much describing the bike or trail itself.
@@Frater_Maven No. You are just using different words but saying the same. The bike is NOT aggressive.
I've been riding a long time. Have ridden many kinds of bikes, many kinds of trails. Bikes are NOT aggressive. Ever. Whether the rider atop the bike is aggressive is another question entirely. A newbie rider on the hottest DH bike of the moment is still a newbie rider.
I commend you for knowing buzz phrases that you can throw out like you're trying to win a gig writing Advert copy for a MTB maker. But you haven't explained how an inanimate object can harbor aggression. It's just not possible.
@@seanoneil277My first bike was a 2008 Kona Dawg Deluxe, then a 2012 Stumpy Jumper Elite, then a 2016 Scott Genius LT 710, then a 2019 Transition Patrol, and currently I'm on a 2023 Transition Smuggler: I've been riding a long time too bud, and in case you didn't actually read my comment I'm agreeing with you. I've never ridden a bike or trail that was aggressive. I have however ridden several bikes and trails that encouraged me to ride more aggressively than I usually would. I don't understand why you're being so argumentative about this. I'm simply offering a more thorough explanation of what it seems to me like people are trying to describe when they call a bike or trail aggressive. It's your prerogative to take it or leave it. I do not mean to spend precious time engaging in a battle of senseless splitting of hairs with any keyboard warriors. I have spoken.
@@Frater_Maven If you're agreeing with me it was difficult to see before. The whole point I'm making is that the word "aggressive" and the concept of "aggression" do not suit bikes or trails. That's it.
Beyond that, I have said it's best to discover what different geometries and types of bicycle actually do, in practice, on the same trail. If you don't go do that, and experience the range of ride types and ride qualities, and merely focus on how MTB journos and commenters throw words around, you can't really learn much about bikes or how they ride. Riding bikes is not the same as bench racing on the internet.