Undaunted: Normandy Review - Sharp as a Box of Bayonets

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  • @Electroporcupine
    @Electroporcupine Před 4 lety +489

    When Quinns says he's closing out the review with 5 minutes left in the video you know shit's gonna get real.

  • @MArx-yf9uy
    @MArx-yf9uy Před 4 lety +386

    "Worry a little bit. You're incompetent and men are dying."
    Everyday Quinns, everyday..

    • @xekon14
      @xekon14 Před 4 lety +3

      M. Arx Darkest Dungeon in a nutshell

    • @MathMasterism
      @MathMasterism Před 4 lety +1

      I read this as "Worry not, your incompetent men are dying."

    • @MrRundervinkje
      @MrRundervinkje Před 4 lety +1

      "1st Sgt Lipton... you get things organized here, I'm gonna go for help."

    • @markv6988
      @markv6988 Před 4 lety

      Thanks for all the post review content - you taking time out to include this story is one of the many reasons I love SUSD.

    • @stayphrosty
      @stayphrosty Před 4 lety

      Solidarity, friend. Don't try to take on the whole world at once, aim for consistency. We can make a difference if we all come together.

  • @TheGreatWar
    @TheGreatWar Před 4 lety +623

    I came here for the review of Undaunted, a game I got last fall for our breaks. I will leave saluting your poignant criticism of the setting. I understand the designers played it safe here, but I hope this can change in the future. Fantastic work Quinn, proud to be a past donor to SUSD. /Flo

    • @diego_villena
      @diego_villena Před 4 lety +2

      This honestly reminded me of a TGW segment. Cool to see you in these comments, Flo!

    • @war_gamer
      @war_gamer Před 4 lety +3

      So there were Indians at Sword Beach ? I didnt know. Iknow the Indian forces played a huge role fighting alongside the Aussies in the Desert Campaign, and they fought the Japanese in India and Burma. Very cool. I will have to look that up.

    • @Contrapulator
      @Contrapulator Před 3 lety +3

      There are many stories from non-American perspectives that deserve to be told, but I don't fault Americans for centering American soldiers' stories.

    • @meathir4921
      @meathir4921 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Contrapulator I do because they had the least risk within said war.

    • @johncarl5505
      @johncarl5505 Před 2 lety +2

      @@Contrapulator I dont get why people complain, just make your own damn game about your nation. Surprise people usually like themselves more than others.

  • @Sleeponout
    @Sleeponout Před 4 lety +584

    This is the first time I've ever written a yt comment even though I've been enjoying yt for half a decade. Your video made me want to thank you.
    I feel like I'm fairly educated about WW2, more so than the average person, yet I didn't know about India's involvement.
    It's always easier to conform to pre-existing narratives but you bucked that and mentioned an important but uncomfortable part of history that isn't being talked about and you did it in a board game review.
    I'm more than happy to become your newest monthly donor and support such amazing and courageous content creation.

    • @camipco
      @camipco Před 4 lety +1

      CZcams? Or whitey? Works either way :)

    • @whatsabandicoot
      @whatsabandicoot Před 4 lety

      Hear, hear.

    • @applepie4287
      @applepie4287 Před 4 lety +3

      You should also look into China they been fighting WW2 long before any of the allies starting in 1937, and held off the bulk of the Japanese Army. If they didn't WW2 in the Pacific may have turned out completely different as Japan exploits China of its resources and manpower.

    • @papasnejk87
      @papasnejk87 Před 3 lety +4

      Claims to be more educated about WW2 "than the average person" than says about knowing absolutely nothing about India's involvment.... GEEZ! U're an American don't you?

    • @Sam-vk8xd
      @Sam-vk8xd Před 3 lety

      papasnejk87 yup. Americans think the war started when they came in 😂

  • @grahamgentz3580
    @grahamgentz3580 Před 4 lety +1249

    Wow. Sobering and genuine. Definitely a departure of style. Not what I expected from a board game review, but something well deserved. Well done, Quinns and SU&SD.

    • @Loopercong
      @Loopercong Před 4 lety +1

      Graham Gentz well said

    • @robertford5938
      @robertford5938 Před 4 lety +5

      More of this please. Good job.

    • @stayphrosty
      @stayphrosty Před 4 lety +26

      The British engineered a famine that killed nearly 2.5 million people in India. But, when India appealed to Stalin for food, he sent it right over.
      Soon after the transfer of power in 1947, India was faced with an alarming shortage of food grains. The Indian government urgently requested both the US and the USSR to send in food aid. While the American officials were working on the modalities for food grain aid--working out its terms and conditions, when the Indian request reached the Kremlin, USSR, Stalin immediately ordered a food-grain laden ship that was already on its way to a different destination to change course and go to India. A top Kremlin official intervened saying that documents were yet to be completed and signed, to which Stalin replied: "Documents can wait, hunger cannot."
      Even today, people in Bengal name their children "Stalin".

    • @noeldillabough
      @noeldillabough Před 4 lety

      @@stayphrosty amazing how many things I have no idea about, our history classes need to be updated pronto.

    • @sunnyguan7154
      @sunnyguan7154 Před 4 lety +1

      @@stayphrosty Churchill did a lot of messed up things, but what's your source for this story?

  • @RobertoVillegas-vincent404
    @RobertoVillegas-vincent404 Před 4 lety +635

    I don’t think I’ve ever been more proud to be a donator for this content than I am now. Amazing review.

  • @domfluff
    @domfluff Před 4 lety +45

    "Don't worry. Well, do worry a little bit - you're incompetent, and men are dying."
    I might have to get that on a mug.

  • @atlock
    @atlock Před 4 lety +155

    Great Review as always and thank you so much for spending the immense time you did on researching WW2 and actually visiting the India Gate.
    I am an Indian and I genuinely never thought someone would take such interest in this topic and dig so deep to find out truth not just about the war but also about the famine and collateral damage because of world war 2 on Indian people.
    Thank you so much. Appreciate your detailed work. Appreciate your admiration of the brave soldiers you mentioned. I'm grateful for your genuine interest and kind words.

  • @jamesgrantham7754
    @jamesgrantham7754 Před 4 lety +553

    I'm really glad you spent the time to give us that history lesson and remind us that the Allies were more than 3 countries. It may give you some hope to know that since 1950 Royal Military Academy Sandhurst has had a memorial room dedicated to Indian soldiers of the British army and cadets are required to meditate there and think on their sacrifice aswell as many ceremonies are held there.

    • @JamesW6179
      @JamesW6179 Před 4 lety +19

      It's refreshing. There tends to be a lot of pushback on the American narrative of WW II, but it tends to be "Actually, the British and Soviets ...", which is a very Eurocentric viewpoint. If you ask an American, they might say World War II began when Pearl Harbor was bombed. If you ask a Brit, they'll tell you it was when the British came to aid Poland. But let me ask: When do you think a Korean might tell you it started? Or the Chinese? It probably isn't going to be years after their own lands were occupied by, and people persecuted by the Axis powers.

    • @phantom3969
      @phantom3969 Před 4 lety +4

      @@JamesW6179 ww2 has an objective starting point, it starts with the invasion of Poland... Just because there were other wars going on before or at the same time as ww2 it doesn't mean their start was the start of ww2

    • @JamesW6179
      @JamesW6179 Před 4 lety +4

      @@phantom3969 What "objective" definition are you using?

    • @phantom3969
      @phantom3969 Před 4 lety +3

      @@JamesW6179 a bunch of declarations of war between major powers

    • @Healermain15
      @Healermain15 Před 4 lety +4

      @@phantom3969 So like 1933 then?

  • @neanderthal1989
    @neanderthal1989 Před 4 lety +478

    As an American I agree, we need more history on the other participants of WW2.

    • @IronSalamander8
      @IronSalamander8 Před 4 lety +25

      Also agreed as an American. I'd love to see Japanese, Italian, French, The various force of the Commonwealth (British Empire), Hungarian, etc.

    • @Ageofpoland1997
      @Ageofpoland1997 Před 4 lety +39

      As a person with a Polish background I would love a game about the Warsaw Uprising or Polish resistance to show and teach people about these events. (In Canada it seems no one my age knows about it.)

    • @peterwestmer576
      @peterwestmer576 Před 4 lety +24

      @@Ageofpoland1997 Or the defense of Poland. Poland's strategic situation was untenable, Hitler to the west, Stalin to the east, and abandoned by the Allies. The Polish military put up an inspired defense in an impossible situation. Extra Credits did a multipart Extra History segment on it.

    • @IronSalamander8
      @IronSalamander8 Před 4 lety +2

      @@Ageofpoland1997 Agreed. I'm largely from Polish descent myself (my great grandpa Casimir fought in WW1, he was first generation American on that side of the family). I just want more Polish acknowledgement in WW2 games and other media in general.

    • @o.b.7217
      @o.b.7217 Před 4 lety +4

      ​@@Ageofpoland1997 "As a person with a Polish background I would love a game about the Warsaw Uprising or Polish resistance to show and teach people about these events."
      ----
      *7 days of Westerplatte* : boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/145103/7-days-westerplatte
      Quote: _"The German battleship Schleswig-Holstein began the bombardment of the Polish Military Depot on September 1, 1939, at __04:48__. This symbolic event marks the_ _beginning of the Second World War. For seven days, the 235 defenders in the Polish forces bravely fought the overwhelming German army."_

  • @realsushrey
    @realsushrey Před 4 lety +37

    I am from India. I love watching this channel and it was nice to hear Quinns mention Indians in World War 2.

  • @paulsegovich9291
    @paulsegovich9291 Před 2 lety +38

    Total class act. 🖤 Came for the games, stayed for the friends, felt for the story.

  • @somedude15231
    @somedude15231 Před 4 lety +665

    First off, thank you for the history lesson, I was delighted to learn new, incredible, important things about a war I thought I knew so much about.
    Secondly, can I just say it makes perfect sense thematically, that the bigger your decks become, the harder it is for you to get the right cards? It's equivalent to you having more people to command, so it's more difficult for you to issue orders to them reliably.
    Also, when you keep looking for this one card but it's already out of the game and you didn't notice, that's like you trying to reach a soldier on the radio, but he's already dead, cold and alone somewhere, but you're not too sure if he's actually dead or you're just having trouble reaching him. But Tom's dead. He's been dead a while now, commander. Please stop saying his name, you're making his brother in the infirmary cry.
    Man this game is just a feel-good romp of the century, huh?

    • @extremewirehead
      @extremewirehead Před 4 lety +5

      I had the same thought. Being a Commander in a bunker when your only vision of the battlefield is conversations on a radio? The tried and true deck building with real stakes when things get added or removed. It's almost creepily well thought out

    • @pewpewpandas9203
      @pewpewpandas9203 Před 4 lety +22

      If you really want important information about WW2 that's generally looked over for propaganda reasons, America and Britain did about jack shit in the fight against the Nazis. The Soviet people were the true heroes of the European theater, taking the main brunt of the German assault as well as the entirety of their racism. The soviets had the most deaths and casualties of any of the involved groups, including the Jews. (Side note: early Soviet POWs were the test subjects for the Holocaust's industrialized murder centers). Even when the US and Britain did open a second front (which was after Russia had started winning against the Nazis), they weren't even fighting the main German army nor were they fighting the best troops Germany had. Most of those had been chewed up in Russia and what was left was trying to stop the Russian advance into Germany. There are a lot more details and anecdotes that you could look up, but I was just pointing out general facts that are almost always overlooked in western societies because God forbid we praise the communists.

    • @Daye04
      @Daye04 Před 4 lety +1

      And now you just sold me on the game 😄

    • @extremewirehead
      @extremewirehead Před 4 lety +1

      @@Daye04 I'm trying to avoid those very words haha

    • @agnieszkakurzyk960
      @agnieszkakurzyk960 Před 4 lety +11

      @@pewpewpandas9203 But do not forget that Soviet also started the war. They had The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact with Germany. Germany attacted Poland on 01.09.39, Russians attacted on 17.09.39. Later when Germany attacted Russia, they were like "Oh no, lets join another side".
      Poland fighted with German from the beginning on every fronts yet we were put under Soviet influence behind "Iron Curtain". Our forces were not allowed to join Victory Celebration because Soviet would be upset. So we were fighting on wining side from the beginning and we loose.

  • @andrewgrimmett371
    @andrewgrimmett371 Před 4 lety +255

    Great review, but I really appreciated story time with Quins at the end. There are so many under appreciated stories through history that don't get the attention they deserve simply because they are incompatible with a particular narrative. Thank you Quins, and thank you Shut up and Sit Down.

    • @57thorns
      @57thorns Před 4 lety +3

      How can we change that in the boardgaming world?

    • @stayphrosty
      @stayphrosty Před 4 lety +2

      +

    • @user-hk5fo1nm9h
      @user-hk5fo1nm9h Před 4 lety +1

      There are great comments on the site saying that many countries are embarrassed of colonial service and don’t want to tell that story. They don’t want to remember putting on a British badge and fighting England’s wars. They don’t want to remember what little they got. And they don’t want to remember being forced to police their countrymen, fight people who looked like them (in World War One), or the pain of fighting Indians who defected to the other side. With all due respect this is more complicated than Quinn’s realizes.

    • @pizza___cat
      @pizza___cat Před 3 lety

      @@stayphrosty 0 ppp pplp

  • @sweetwizzle
    @sweetwizzle Před 2 lety +86

    You folks not only write good, exhaustive reviews, but excellent comedy and educational, meaningful background and critique as well. Kudos to you and the valuable material you produce.

    • @tigerpjm
      @tigerpjm Před 2 lety

      Agreed.
      SU&SD and No Pun Included are absolute gems. Sincere without being preachy and very, very funny.

  • @PS-gk1ki
    @PS-gk1ki Před 4 lety +20

    Thanks for this video Quinns. My great grandad was in Flanders in 1915, fighting alongside the brits and the Canadians. About a million Indians fought in the First World War, and 62,000 died.
    My family moved to Canada 42 years ago, and although I’ve no connection to India anymore, this video did make me a little proud of my Indian genes.

  • @danieldewey1982
    @danieldewey1982 Před 4 lety +190

    Thanks for the education about India's role in WWII, Quinns -- I really liked it!

  • @karrotm
    @karrotm Před 4 lety +128

    "Bob is your grieving uncle" made me laugh harder than it should have

  • @joeblatch4443
    @joeblatch4443 Před 4 lety +92

    As a lover of boardgames, a proud Brightonian and a History teacher, this is my probably favourite video on CZcams.
    Another quality video.

  • @idontneedid
    @idontneedid Před 4 lety +25

    Goddammit, thank you for broadening my horizon. As an Austrian, I never ever heard about those distinguished Indian soldiers fighting in WW2. I am richer for knowing about this piece of history and sacrifice.

  • @snowconesyrup2698
    @snowconesyrup2698 Před 4 lety +57

    As someone who loves games this was a great review but assomeone who has spent years trying to share the less glamorous stories of history that don't make it to the movies this review was perfect. Thank you for the great video and the even more important message.

  • @gowensbach2998
    @gowensbach2998 Před 4 lety +177

    Being and American and a lover of History, I applaud your words! I started out very interested in WW2 simply because my father was at Pearl Harbor when it was attacked. He had some books, so I started reading about WW2. But I have found the whole D-Day thing rather boring, compared to the rich history of the North Africa campaigns and the Eastern Front. I have read many books about WW2 and have since expanded my interest in other time periods. But I want to agree with you about D-Day getting much of the focus. So many other choices and D-Day I suppose is the one of the more well known events that is perhaps a safe choice if aiming for mass appeal. At any rate, great video, and BRAVO!

    • @eastlynburkholder3559
      @eastlynburkholder3559 Před 3 lety +1

      Undaunted has a North African version now.

    • @gowensbach2998
      @gowensbach2998 Před 3 lety

      Eastlyn Burkholder interesting!

    • @eastlynburkholder3559
      @eastlynburkholder3559 Před 3 lety

      @@gowensbach2998
      Dice Tower's Tom Vassal reviewed it.

    • @gowensbach2998
      @gowensbach2998 Před 3 lety

      Eastlyn Burkholder of course he did! Lol. I will check it out! Probably not a good solo game, but I will still watch for sure...now, in fact

  • @rantidev3489
    @rantidev3489 Před 4 lety +24

    Thank you so much ! As an Indian being taught about India's invovlement only later on in college in World War 2 and being shocked at how poorly represented it is in games, movies and tv shows it is so good to see this .Thank you Quinn and SUSD!

  • @HelloFutureMe
    @HelloFutureMe Před 4 lety +72

    A New Zealander, we have a difficult historical relationship with Winston Churchill. Though he's remembered as a great wartime leader, and perhaps he was, he was also the one who ordered the Gallipoli Campaign in World War I, which killed more New Zealanders than any other war ever - and the campaign was a failure.

    • @ElGrandoCaymano
      @ElGrandoCaymano Před 3 lety +6

      Churchill ordered the naval assault, but it was Kitchener and Ian Hamilton in charge of the subsequent land campaign that brought in the New Zealanders.

    • @PalookaD
      @PalookaD Před 3 lety +3

      To be fair it's not like British lads weren't dying.....a lot

    • @generaltom6850
      @generaltom6850 Před 2 měsíci

      Hello, nice to see you here.

    • @generaltom6850
      @generaltom6850 Před 2 měsíci

      @@ElGrandoCaymano Yes but Churchill was in charge of organising it, and he botched it. This was not the time for it and Churchill’s bad handling of the campaign left far less troops and material for the landings.

  • @nashbennett
    @nashbennett Před 4 lety +112

    You guys are legit the best in the business from both a presentation and a writing standpoint. Bravo.

  • @glennalastair1622
    @glennalastair1622 Před 4 lety +45

    You know, every time I think to myself that this video could use A Brief Aside to talk about cultural context, SU&SD delivers. I will never not appreciate that.

    • @user-hk5fo1nm9h
      @user-hk5fo1nm9h Před 4 lety

      Glenn Alastair There are great comments on the site saying that many countries are embarrassed of colonial service and don’t want to tell that story. They don’t want to remember putting on a British badge and fighting England’s wars. They don’t want to remember what little they got. And they don’t want to remember being forced to police their countrymen, fight people who looked like them (in World War One), or the pain of fighting Indians who defected to the other side.

  • @freedomtweezle8697
    @freedomtweezle8697 Před 3 lety +52

    Great review! Especially liked the last several minutes of history lesson, context setting, and perspective that we, all, need to understand. With regard to different settings ... with Undaunted gaining more mainstream popularity there is opportunity for them to continue to expand and shed a light on other theaters, wars, and battle in or out of WW2.

  • @Pyrodactyl
    @Pyrodactyl Před 4 lety +31

    The ending about Indian soldiers was great, love hearing about things like these! My love for SUSD grows even stronger!

  • @BLourenco96
    @BLourenco96 Před 4 lety +17

    "You will have so many turns where you use a Machine Gunner and a Scout to roll a whole bunch of dice... and they all miss."
    That's XCO- uhh, wait.
    That's Undaunted: Normandy, baby!

    • @TheRatedOniChannel
      @TheRatedOniChannel Před 4 lety +1

      That's Warhammer too, then the greenskins will roll 5 times a 6 in a row and everything will be destroyed on your side.

  • @rishigandhi8186
    @rishigandhi8186 Před 4 lety +27

    Thank you for taking the time to address this issue with the same events and portrayals of WWII. It is not just in games, but also films, novels etc. When people are not portrayed we are simply forgotten.

  • @eduardfroschstern2151
    @eduardfroschstern2151 Před 4 lety +100

    Wow, this review is in a class of it's own.
    The first part was a very well written review that also evoked some of the emotions one experiences through the mechanics. Also the game looks to be extremely appealing.
    But the ending is what sets this video apart from other games reviews. A heartfelt appeal for an unbiased use of history as a setting. As a means to inform about the past in a accessible yet sobering way.
    And I'm also grateful to you for bringing the fate of the Indian soldiers and civilists during WWII to my attention.
    I salute you for this video. You approached a delicate matter in the best way possible.

    • @stayphrosty
      @stayphrosty Před 4 lety

      +

    • @user-hk5fo1nm9h
      @user-hk5fo1nm9h Před 4 lety

      There are great comments on the site saying that many countries are embarrassed of colonial service and don’t want to tell that story. They don’t want to remember putting on a British badge and fighting England’s wars. They don’t want to remember what little they got. And they don’t want to remember being forced to police their countrymen, fight people who looked like them (in World War One), or the pain of fighting Indians who defected to the other side.

  • @ModularLanding
    @ModularLanding Před 2 lety +7

    I’m only seeing this now, but this is brilliant and easily my favorite SU&SD video. As an Indian, and an American, thank you Quinns. And I hope game designers and publishers will think about these things, as well as the rest of society. We’re all human beings after all.

  • @mr.t7846
    @mr.t7846 Před 4 lety +27

    The last 5 Minutes in this review are what sets this channel apart from most others. Thank you.

  • @AwfulPossum
    @AwfulPossum Před 4 lety +85

    As an American, I fully agree with ya Quinns with your point at the very end of the video. I need more stories from all the different fronts of the wars.

    • @grishakaleesh4207
      @grishakaleesh4207 Před 4 lety +3

      Yeah. I consider myself a bit of a history nut, but as an American we didn't cover *any* of what happened after the war was won. I knew Churchill was a Harda$$, but FUC|< !
      [Censorship because CZcams is getting weird lately]

    • @JamesW6179
      @JamesW6179 Před 4 lety +2

      @@grishakaleesh4207 Ehhh to be fair, my history classes in high school practically didn't even cover the World Wars. Or war in general. Teachers have tended to move past that sort of teaching paradigm in my experience, and also frankly start running out of time by the 20th century (It's April, kids are getting antsy summer is coming, exams are next month, etc.)
      I specifically remember we spent more days discussing the Dryfus Affair than World War I.

    • @grishakaleesh4207
      @grishakaleesh4207 Před 4 lety

      @@JamesW6179 Only reason I think I got what little I did was because I took a year-long AP US History class. And my professor was pretty old. He showed us pictures of his dad, his dad's platoon, and brought in the medals.
      After we had our AP test we had another two weeks of school so and he saw no point in covering what was on the School Board's syllabus.
      We watched Band of Brothers.
      He was one of my favorite teachers in my life.

    • @JamesW6179
      @JamesW6179 Před 4 lety +1

      @@edwardrice9170 Wow! That totally "won the war"! Those statistics must be why the Japanese just completely surrendered with no combat in the Pacific or Asia.
      Did you even watch the video? Lol. Because a huge focus on it was the sacrifices made by the Indian people in the Japanese campaign.

    • @martinshillitoe4735
      @martinshillitoe4735 Před 4 lety

      Well said. Would also like to see common stories (ie D Day) with different protagonists. 2 of the 5 beaches on d day were assaulted by British troops. One of the 5 was assaulted by Canadians. Thousands of free French troops took part. Yet it always US troops portrayed. There were more non-US troops assaulting the beaches on d day than American.

  • @pederbergenwall
    @pederbergenwall Před 4 lety +6

    This is the sort of games criticism and writing we need more of. Thanks for ending an excellent review with an even more important piece like this one.

  • @btonasse
    @btonasse Před 4 lety +8

    Probably the best SUSD review I've seen to date. No one else is on your level.

  • @DriveThruReview
    @DriveThruReview Před 4 lety +106

    ❤️ Thank you.
    Best review ever.

  • @michalbajcar3259
    @michalbajcar3259 Před 4 lety +25

    Thank you, Quinn, for the story of the Indian Famine. First time to hear of that, here in Poland. All best!

  • @bollothegreat
    @bollothegreat Před 4 lety +32

    Excellent review Quinns, this seems like a really fun head to head game! I'd also like to just say, if you ever see this, that as an Irish man, it's very moving to hear an English man highlight some of the horrors that were caused by the British Empire. The Bengal famine was a tragic, and preventable, loss of life. The sacrifice given by the Indians who served in both WWI and WWII should never be forgotten, along with all of the volunteers from all other corners of the empire. I couldn't agree more about the completely unnecessary overblown-ness of Americas involvement in both world wars, and in a way I think this serves to glorify the military in America. If they had had the same loss of life as France, UK, the Soviet Union, Poland, Germany or really anywhere in Europe, I reckon there would be less D-Day themed games and media for us to consume.

  • @sigururkristmundsson479
    @sigururkristmundsson479 Před 4 lety +6

    3:20 This floored me. It's those tiny bits of comedy that puts shut up & sit down on the top for me. Amazing review, went and got the game minutes after watching.

  • @joaovictorcunha9826
    @joaovictorcunha9826 Před 4 lety +21

    Some of the SUSD videos has such amazingly deep discussions. I remember fondly when I watched the review of "tales of Arabian Nights" and Quinns ended the video with a question. Thank you for the amazing service you guys do for the board game community

  • @jkwatcher47
    @jkwatcher47 Před 4 lety +14

    I did not know any of those stories you told at the end. I really appreciate this channel’s focus on inclusion and nuance when it comes to games and the stories it tells through its art and themes.
    Thank you!

  • @Cheddarific
    @Cheddarific Před 4 lety +4

    Long time SU&SD fan; been subscribed for 4+ years. Although I love a good mid-review turnaround, this may be my favorite review so far. The review was informative, helped me understand who would like the game, included additional recommendations (a fairly new thing and something few reviewers do), and then the historical aspect was very eye opening. I had no idea about any of that.
    Much better than recipes. Although surely there isn’t room/content for this with every review.

  • @AhJong0
    @AhJong0 Před 4 lety +5

    Well done SU&SD, still pushing the envelope in terms of what a board game review can do. One very proud donator here 🤓

  • @nicklong4291
    @nicklong4291 Před 4 lety +10

    Thank you for a touching review. It felt like the old ones.
    I was slightly worried it would be guns and glory humour, but was actually very well targeted, touching and a nice part at the end, thank you.
    Very good, perfect job.

  • @StefLynn
    @StefLynn Před 4 lety +16

    That ending was really moving, thank you guys for such consistently great content ❤️

  • @TheKaswestcomix
    @TheKaswestcomix Před 4 lety +2

    I really hope this doesn't get overlooked. This is one of the best statements / reviews I've seen in so long. Not only did you direct people to other flavors of war games that you'd recommend - but to go back and talk about the uncelebrated contributions of other nations was perfect.
    Be the change you want to see in the world. This American thinks you did a brilliant job yet again Quinn.
    Thank you

  • @tanyapobuda
    @tanyapobuda Před 4 lety +6

    I couldn't adore Shut Up and Sit Down more. Beautifully, thoughtfully done.

  • @DwarfyDoodad
    @DwarfyDoodad Před 4 lety +100

    So, ordered the game when you said you had no negatives about it, I was on the fence until then. But your ending bit about World War 2, both with the over dominace of America as a thing (And I am American) And in the impact of India was well worth it. I personally *strongly* dislike the "MURRICA" mindset: in part because of my major in College was History and I know just how biased that is, but also as you said, things are down played out of shame for what happened before, during, or after, for the people involved.

    • @zuko9085
      @zuko9085 Před 4 lety

      To be fair though there is only so much time in school to study the subject of history. I think it is worth exploring a more complete perspective but it is important for Americans to understand specifically what Americans did. That being said, I don't think anyone would be against games exploring other perspectives of history. I did a study abroad in college where we visited turkey and saw a graveyard where Australians were essentially sacrificed by the British as a distraction when fighting the Ottoman empire.

  • @starttofinishgames5415
    @starttofinishgames5415 Před 4 lety +11

    Tremendous work and tremendous raising of awareness. I love how much good you all do with your platform.

  • @Anty2004
    @Anty2004 Před rokem +1

    I loved the ending of this video, far too many people are focused on 1% of WW2 and don't see the bigger picture and the bigger things that were happening around the world. Educating people is so important

  • @christopherchild4022
    @christopherchild4022 Před 4 lety +2

    Holy crap. Not only the best SU&SD video ever, but the ending should be required viewing for everyone under the age of 99. We’ll done, Quinns. Thank you for that.

  • @otakuribo
    @otakuribo Před 4 lety +6

    16:54 Holy shit, what a legendary badass. These are the stories that need to be told! Thank you so much for telling them!

  • @manderse12
    @manderse12 Před 4 lety +4

    This was an excellent review, especially for the history lesson at the end. Thank you for taking the time and energy to explain that backstory, and thank you too for your plea to game designers to expand their repertoire of stories. I couldn't agree more.

  • @miguelpereira702
    @miguelpereira702 Před 9 měsíci +2

    wow, it's been a while since I watched a SUSD video, but boy am I glad I decided to watch this one. Made me remember so well why I once thought it would be fair to start supporting you guys with more than just views. No doubt you guys deserve every cent. Keep up the awesome work

  • @joshgod1
    @joshgod1 Před rokem +2

    I like how scrabble is in the dark heart of Quinn's collection

  • @youreallinsane
    @youreallinsane Před 4 lety +6

    I absolutely loved the ending to this video. I would love a Shut Up & Sit Down Story Time channel.

  • @CritsHappen
    @CritsHappen Před 4 lety +5

    You guys continue to be the top of the bar for me when it comes to reviews, opinions, and attitude. Classy ending, and I appreciate that a lot!

  • @danield9891
    @danield9891 Před 4 lety +2

    You guys are something else! In one video review, Quinns is dressed as Batman, in another Matt's dressed as a space worm and now you bring attention to something that most board gamers (& most people) never give a second thought too. Thank you for the last five minutes. I would have enjoyed the video without it but we are all better off seeing! Thanks for taking the time to create something more than a board game review. I love that you review games while also making me think about social and historical issues. Cheers!

  • @Gwanosh
    @Gwanosh Před 7 měsíci +1

    Appreciate you taking the time to tell more history that what has stuck in common narrative. Almost made me forget about any of the points you made during the review, but I'll just watch again before going to the Stalingrad review to watch some more

  • @phoenixhazard
    @phoenixhazard Před 3 lety +3

    This is exactly why you are by far the best board game content creator period. Amazing.

  • @barryroesch30
    @barryroesch30 Před 4 lety +10

    Thank you. I’m an American with a fairly good grip in history (or think I have, anyway), but it’s always beneficial to get a different perspective.
    Not all of our histories are filled with heroes and good decisions. That’s an important lesson.
    Thanks again. Keep up the good work!

    • @nrtallarida
      @nrtallarida Před 4 lety +2

      The Begal famine story is more complex than was presented. The war was tough on all and India sacrificed more than her fair share. Her story deserves to be told more often. But I hesitate to suggest that Churchill was indifferent to or, at worst, encouraged that famine.
      winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/did-churchill-cause-the-bengal-famine/

    • @gooddaysgames586
      @gooddaysgames586 Před 4 lety

      @@nrtallarida Thank you for sharing an objectively humbled POV.

  • @dekai7992
    @dekai7992 Před 4 lety +2

    This was incredibly moving. Thank you for your humour, your competence, your sincerity and your work.

  • @MrSaturn012
    @MrSaturn012 Před 3 lety +2

    I will say that I, literally, never knew of India's involvement and sacrifices during WWII.
    I know that as an American my country practically fetishizes it's involvement in the war, and England tends to remain tight lipped about it as well,
    but It really knocked my socks off to learn, from a board game review, about this huge chunk of world history for the first time

  • @susanrobertson984
    @susanrobertson984 Před 4 lety +30

    Me: I won't watch the review because I sure don't need more games. Me balfway through: wellll. But really I love how you guys always take us to the social and poltical issues. Always worth it to think about context.

  • @andreasnorli5291
    @andreasnorli5291 Před 4 lety +41

    What an absolutely amazing ending! If I could only like this video twice...

  • @Doctor_Paxmor
    @Doctor_Paxmor Před 4 lety +1

    Thank you for sharing that history, I love games and I love SU&SD for introducing me to so many of them -- but I love that you made a point to illuminate something so important even more.

  • @setiammonraa
    @setiammonraa Před 4 lety +1

    Thanks for the bit at the end, man. It's a breath of fresh air. Thanks for putting so much effort into creative videos generally, but especially this one. Cheers

  • @UmarAhmed2009
    @UmarAhmed2009 Před 4 lety +24

    Quinns, the last few minutes of this review was superb. Makes me feel bad about forgetting to donate over the holidays. Now going to search for that video with the instructions so I can make amends!

  • @karolwesoek5350
    @karolwesoek5350 Před 4 lety +48

    Soldiers are people, they have names and they die and it's sad reminds me of Cannon Fodder computer game

    • @monkfish182
      @monkfish182 Před 4 lety +12

      I never did keep Jools and Jops alive.

    • @Talkoon
      @Talkoon Před 4 lety +2

      Yeeeessss! Completely forgot about that game.

    • @57thorns
      @57thorns Před 4 lety

      That game drove home its serious message with just the right amount of glee and happiness. They use the same tactics for recruiting at the WWI military did; It will be fun, it is an adventure.
      But it is not fun, and death is very real, and even when they die, there will be other waiting in line, next to the war cemetery.

  • @jasonjacobson6686
    @jasonjacobson6686 Před 4 lety +1

    This was amazing! The passion on advocating the telling of new tales was great! Thank you!

  • @darrenhornshaw7484
    @darrenhornshaw7484 Před 4 lety +1

    This is possibly my favourite of all your reviews. Bravo SU&SD.

  • @whatboardgame
    @whatboardgame Před 4 lety +4

    Awesome review. Last part was brilliant. Learnt a lot and you are right to say and include this.

  • @LilBuerck
    @LilBuerck Před 4 lety +3

    That was an incredibly well done video. Great review as usual and an extremely thoughtful and interesting conclusion. Great work, guys.

  • @Antoine-1793
    @Antoine-1793 Před 4 lety +1

    Thanks for taking the opportunity to tackle hard subjects ... you are a bright example of what can be done if one sets his mind to go outside of the conventional way of looking at a thing (a boardgame mecanics, or a boardgame theme, or a moment in history). Thank you and keep on ! Bright on !

  • @robmiller9264
    @robmiller9264 Před 4 lety +1

    This is my favorite SU&SD video since the review for Inis. Well done!

  • @Doctor__Wiki
    @Doctor__Wiki Před 4 lety +4

    I really appreciate what you had to say regarding the history of India during WWII.

  • @andrewrichesson8627
    @andrewrichesson8627 Před 4 lety +3

    Going above and beyond as usual. Great review!

  • @tylermeyer9179
    @tylermeyer9179 Před 4 lety +2

    You guys are so good at what you do. Lots of love and hard work and care goes into these silly reviews and it shows.

  • @mechasduo004
    @mechasduo004 Před 4 lety +2

    I greatly appreciated the history lesson at the end of the video, I was curious as to why there was so much time left when you called the review done... glad I stuck around to hear the amazing information on a topic I truly have never heard anything about: Which is quite sad. Thank you.

  • @Pinstripedood
    @Pinstripedood Před 3 lety +3

    Wow. I just came for a board game review, but I really appreciate your input at the end. Very moving. I am definitely going to be looking further into Indian WW2 stories. And suddenly I don't feel like Churchill was quite the glorious hero we make him out to be. Great work Quinns!

  • @andreazuliani6522
    @andreazuliani6522 Před 4 lety +4

    This was epic.
    The hobby needs more "reviews" like this.
    Thank you.

  • @mot1thom
    @mot1thom Před 4 lety +1

    Thank you for the post-review historical context and remembrance. Very important stories, and I hope you’ll continue sharing this type of content wherever relevant. The thought and awareness beyond pure gameplay make you the best reviewers in the biz IMHO, keep up the great work.

  • @michaelnagel2410
    @michaelnagel2410 Před 4 lety

    That was one of my favourite reviews. Really appreciate the effort to tell stories that are not told enough.

  • @Hybridtheory2007
    @Hybridtheory2007 Před 4 lety +3

    Well done on this review and the message at the end. Wholeheartedly agree.

  • @tusharsinha9854
    @tusharsinha9854 Před 4 lety +3

    Thank you for those last 5 minutes Quinns. They were beautiful and heart-wrenching.

  • @RohanJha89
    @RohanJha89 Před 4 lety

    Excellent review and thanks for shedding light on portions of history that have unfortunately been kept under wraps. Keep it up!

  • @Fririshman
    @Fririshman Před 4 lety +2

    Out of every video you have done. This one is your best. Thank you for the history. From one ally to another. Cheers from Canada.

  • @NULLxFORxNONE
    @NULLxFORxNONE Před 4 lety +3

    That was actually really interesting to learn and something I never knew about, thanks for the history lesson Quinn!!!

  • @julipulijuli8723
    @julipulijuli8723 Před 3 lety +3

    Thank you so much for the review as well as the great historical excursus at the end of the video. It is impressive, how you brought to mind, that board games need to be understood as a potentially powerful source of how people perceive history, and create cultural memory. Emphasizing these aspects really distinguishes your channels' approach from many others out there: You grasp board games as a cultural phenomenon, developed and played by human beings - and that therefore needs to looked at critically. Thanks again and greetings from Germany.

  • @theocrevon6374
    @theocrevon6374 Před 4 lety +2

    I must say I really appreciated you taking the time to put History, and by extension board games depicting them, in perspective. Cheers to that!

  • @robertaustin6302
    @robertaustin6302 Před 4 lety +1

    What a beautiful and lovely review. Deftly written and just as impactful this may be SU&SD greatest review to date.

  • @RoyalRook
    @RoyalRook Před 4 lety +3

    Thank you for the history lessons! Please do this more often and you will get more donations for sure.

  • @UnrealSquare
    @UnrealSquare Před 4 lety +4

    17:37 - they must have left this story out of "the Crown" for some reason... Thanks for this.

  • @PhillipHeliotes
    @PhillipHeliotes Před 3 lety +2

    I just want to say this review was amazing, and then it turned into something so much more important, and meaningful than a simple review video. Thank you so much for the history lesson, I feel so much more well equipped with knowledge.

  • @cantrip7
    @cantrip7 Před 4 lety +2

    Love this video. Ending comes across as... nice, smooth, informational, like I'm being welcomed in, without pulling any punches.

  • @queencitycardboard6781
    @queencitycardboard6781 Před 4 lety +6

    It is sad, but I'm glad you took the time to tell the story you did. I'm enamored by war RPGs like Ross Rifles and MASHED, not because i'm fascinated by war as such, but because there are so many narratives that are tossed by the wayside in favor of the big Us v. Them showdowns.
    I had no idea that Indians contributed so much to WW1 or WW2, and I'd like to learn more about those untold stories, not only because they deserve to be told, but because I run a post-war D&D game, and that kind of nuance and humanism is exactly what I need to convey the reality, as opposed to the romance, of war. Maybe Undaunted: North Africa and future expansions will..well, expand on the role that nations who aren't US, Germany, and Britain had in shaping history. Cheers.

    • @kascally
      @kascally Před 4 lety +1

      If they do an expansion on the Burma campaign there will be plenty of Indians

  • @jonnymark8874
    @jonnymark8874 Před 3 lety +3

    Thank you for speaking truth so clearly and not fudging the realities and tragedies of war. The ethnic discrimination that happened in the two ‘great’ wars has its effects today sadly. A fantastic review and worthy tribute to those who laid down their lives, and those who can truly be called heroes.
    I am new to board gaming as a hobby and have only recently found SUSD and really appreciate all that you are doing

  • @hansborchardt8475
    @hansborchardt8475 Před 4 lety +1

    Quinns you plucky bastard! I watch your channel regularly as lighthearted escapism from the problems of reality. Then you go and make me cry. Not what I was looking for - but well done. Before I was just a fan. Now you are my personal CZcams hero.

  • @chrmc
    @chrmc Před 4 lety

    Thanks for the info at the end! Appreciate you guys doing your part to influence history and the industry.