That's a great video! I'm a Turkish guy living in the US and recently got into Mausers after spending too much time and money on AK47s and AR15s. Your video was so helpful, and your pronunciation was more than acceptable! I appreciate you for such a great video. I will definitely be on the market for a Turkish M38
I’m considering it for hunting next year, it’s between this, the Winchester Pattern 1914, and the Sako M39. I was successful a couple years ago with the Winchester Model 1917, hunting with milsurps is just good clean fun
Just bought a 1903 Turkish Mauser, for all those considering buying a Mauser this is important!! There are different 8mm Mauser rounds and not all are compatible with your Mauser. Pay attention to what caliber and case it shoots. Mine shoots a 8mm IS also known as JS. If I were to buy JRS or IRS then the round probably wouldn't be able to be chambered. The R stands for rimmed. Also if your Mauser doesn't say it can shoot Spitzer ammo (which is what the S stands for) then you might have to find the rounded bullets.
Absolutely, love mine. Its in decent shape overall, the stock definitely seen better days. I tore the bolt down to pieces and gave it a deep clean, that mauser action purred like a kitty.
The first run, the four digit models were made in Germany in 1939 before tooling was sent to Turkey. I imagine the Turks were in Germany learning the process.
There are so many little variations with these things it’s insane, the store I got mine from has had at least six different sub variations of the same gun. Thanks for watching!
The rifle is not an M-38, this name was given to the rifle by the American sellers as a way to identifying them. The proper name is Kirikale, which is a Turkish city near Ankara.
Yup 👍🏻 I think I clarified at the beginning of the vid that “m38 is not the actual name of any one gun but a designation given to it based on a set of similar features,” and I know I went on at length about Kirikale and Ankara later in the vid. But yes, you are correct
Some people talk shit about this rifle, some idiots are saying the M-38 will never be a collectible but who give a rat ass!!! A lot of K-98s are not collectibles either, some of them are made of cheap stamped wood, very crude similar to plywood.I want the rifle to shoot and to have fun with it, not to have it sitting in a safe...
Oh yeah I’ve seen the type! Honestly these old Turks are getting harder to find and more valuable (depending on location of course, some states have tons of them) I got lucky and had about five to pick between, local shop picked up a nice estate sale, so I think I got a real peach with this one.
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry People just add nomenclature to things for the hell of it. The rifle is simply a Turkish Mauser 38 made with German and Turkish apare parts. Do they work? Heck yeah they work and accurate as hell.
These barrels were the same ones that were put on the GEW 88/05's when they went through rearsenals in Turkey starting in 1938 and were scrubbed and remarked.
Just bought mine for 300 at a gunshow, was barely finished loading my 4th round of 8mm when a feral pig rolled into the pasture, one round later he was no longer a threat to local agriculture, so can confirm these things are good for pest control and then some.
Excellent rifle dude. Mine is a 1945 k kale ankara as fa. I dont know what or if there are any differences compared to a German Gewer 98 but I am more that happy with mine. Now I just need to source a bayonet because.. well bayonets make a rifle at least 1 more cool!
Thank ya! The biggest difference is the sight picture, a lot of the parts for these actually came from old G98s. And I couldn’t agree more about the bayonet!
As a Turk I'd like to add a couple things here : Turkey did join the war diplomatically against the Axis , though no soldiers ever saw combat. This was because the Allies were pushing Turkey to join in on their side and Turkey wanted to gain a leverage to be able to join UN after the war (which she did). Turkey granted asylum to virtually anybody who ran from the war. Jewish scientists , soldiers who ran from the Russians , you name it. And I understand your pain about not being able to find any information on things. We can't either. We just don't write any detailed documents on *anything* anywhere. I guess cause 99% of people just don't care so they don't bother ? I don't know. We don't even have a name for the guns , we just call them all Mavzer. So long as they did the job , which they did well , nobody cared. Don't worry about the pronunciation. Turkish is a very hard language speak. If you know how to pronounce German but with a normal r.
For some reason your comment on the website was deleted, YT doesn’t do well with website links, I can only see part of the comment in my YT Editor app (this has been happening a lot lately)
I got lucky and had five to choose from, my local gun store had just picked up a gun collectors estate and there were in the end I think seven Turks in there total (they didn’t get it all at once) but when I got there I had my pick of the litter and this was the nicest one 👍🏻 about 12 of my rifles came from that one estate
I live in southern Indiana just west of Louisville ky and I saw one at a hole in the wall local gunstore a few years ago for $199. I didn't buy it cause it was very rough and I didn't know much about them. I knew they were a bolt action chambered in 8mm Mauser but that's about all I knew. I wish I'd have bought it now
Just got a 1940 marked one today, what was odd is it has the box mag in an external config that's one piece with a super wide trigger guard in almost the exact same style as a Mosin and its marked 1914. A hodgepodge for sure but is definitely unique.
There are so many weird varieties made from so many different original rifles it’s hard to keep track of exactly what is what and what exactly constitutes an “M38”
Before 1923 Turkey was Ottoman Empire , and beginning of that year and on it is Turkish Republic ( which is the letters you see there as T.C. ( TURKIYE CUMHURIYETI) I believe it has been called M38 in USA because the Turkish Republic Military Factory started manufacturing these types by 1938 and on to 40s so. If you get a hold of a Turkish gewehr 88 , they were actually used in WWI , you might also feel like the writings on them are Turkish too as I see some people in CZcams making that mistake but they were actually more close to Arabic letters as the Alphabet in Ottoman Empire was somewhat close to Arabic . After 1923 when the republic established the Latin alphabet took over everything and on in Turkish Republic.
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry Hi Thomas , I went through your videos in this channel , but can’t find your video which you kind of mentioned you have studied/ presented the gewehr 88 also, so, if you’ll be kind enough to share me with the link, I’ll be much obliged , Thank you 🙏
I have a K.Kale 1943 Mauser in 7.92 X 57 with a curved (bent) bolt handle and a BARREL JACKET! Have you ever seen one like it? Especially with a barrel jacket? Dave
Honestly can’t say I have but sounds like it may have been built off of a Gewehr 88 perhaps? A lot of G88s went to the Ottomans in WWI and I’ve heard that many wound up being converted to something resembling an M38. I actually just got an Ottoman war aid G88
Don't worry about butchering a language you don't know how to speak. It's alright :D FYI: According to Ian from Forgotten Weapons, Turkish Mauser 8mm is just a product of a project from Turkish military to standardize all the riffles used by military. As you said, Turkish military had a lot of riffles from different periods and different manufacturers with varying calibers. In 1938, they are all sent to factories to get a standardization work... meaning a lot of them were mixed up. Army didn't care about matching the numbers appearantly.
I have one of these from 1933 but Its so hard to find a stock because my barrel is shorter. I found it laying in a old shop and took it and I'm trying to fully complete it.
Yeah that complicates things a bit, I’ve seen these with at least three different barrel lengths/front sight configurations. I believe it just depends on what gun the barrel was originally taken from
I have a 8mm Turkish mauser. On a small ring action. I have been told they are rare. There is a U shaped notch in the back of the ring so the point ofthe bullet will go in to the magazine. This rifle had been duffel bag cut. It has a perfect barrel mirror finish and the head space is good.
The U shaped notch is how you know it's a 1903/38 model. Those specifically were retrofitted from the rifles they had on hand that used older smaller calibers from my understanding, hence the notch.
@agentnuget the big difference is the action is shorter. And it is a small ring action. Yes . I have them 7mm ,7.62 , 8mm small and large ring. And a few of the Swedish Mausers.
Fascinating video! I wonder how much higher the velocity is on these longer rifles than shorter rifles. Also, is the recoil noticeably lower than the shorter rifles?
Spent a lot of time with Mosins last weekend (of the Finnish variety) to kick off a series on their evolution from the M91, what kind of Mosin did you pick up?
What you pointed to and as a referred to as a star on this bolt I have on a 1895 Chilean Mauser also, it's on the top of the 1895 bolt ball while on the bottom of my Turkish bolt ball? Any insight would be greatly appreciated, please? IIRC I payed in the neighborhood of $250 for mine?
Actually in the case of the Turk it’s a crescent moon not a star. Unfortunately I don’t know a lot about Chilean Mausers, never done a lot of research on them yet
Seeking ammo information. After much reading and re-reading I've come to the conclusion I'm needing to shoot 8mm JS but have seen IS out there as well. Aren't they the same? .323 right? I definitely do NOT want to put the wrong ammo in there!
They are the same, and the only other 8mm you will find (and good luck finding it) is round nose 8mm, which is .318 and not as hotly loaded. And again, you won’t find that unless you specifically know where to find it
Great Northwest Weaponry Of course they are buy good and buy smart, let the idiot pay $1000 for a K-98, there are millions made all over America. A collectible is something rare like the Johnson semiautomatic rifle.
hohohoooo m38 kırıkkale ! what a lovely riffle... our hole near history was written with this riffle... daamn dude my grandpa was an officer in turkish army and they used this riffles until 1950-1955... also my father and uncles were knew how to clean that riffles or rip off etc... even they were little childs... im curious about something how did you get the riffle you bought from turkey or bought in amerika ?
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry that sounds cool dude because in here (tr) you cannot find like this old style riffles anywhere... most of them probably recycled by tsk... a very few possibly may be you can find in black sea areas...in mountain villages... some day i want them... its a sumkinda military tradition in our army. always regular private guns were german... long years we used german g3. even if i am used too in military service. nowadays they modernized riffles through the mpt76's... a very unique riffle dude... oh by the way almost forgotten... we used amerikan m1 garand riffles too. still they are using in ceremonial processes national day parades etc. greetings from turkey stay safe and well !!
My best advice would be to take it to a gunsmith and have them slug the bore to make sure it is in fact 8mm, but it should say somewhere in the import marking what caliber it is (unless you have one of the few that wasn’t officially imported) if it is supposed to be 8mm but won’t chamber then there’s something wrong with your gun. Could just be too much gunk in the chamber, could be something very wrong with your bolt or barrel
Its called Kırıkkale in Turkey, very strong rifle. These rifles were produced in Kırıkkale, it is a small city. I shooted in Turkish Army . Not allowed buy this rifle in Turkey 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🙂...
Haven’t tried and sadly I don’t have one, I could check with an M1 Garand bayonet though. Same attachment and both fit on the 1903. I’ll get back to you on it 👍🏻
I suppose the term “almost never” would’ve been more accurate, they didn’t make their own barrels and usually didn’t make their own bolts so a matching receiver is quite uncommon/a happy coincidence
Great Video. I have the same rifle, mine has 1934 stamped on it. It Also has 8828 stamped on it. I have not shot it yet. I need to give it a good cleaning first. Do you have an email address i could send a few photos to possibly get a little more info? I am assuming it uses 8mm ammo.
I have a Turkish Mauser that’s based off the Gewehr 88 pattern rifle. It has more modern features that this rifle has. During the late 1930s, the Turks wanted to standardized their vast Mauser collection from the past 50 years. My concern is finding a bayonet if it shares the same bayonet as this rifle. It mounts the same, unlike the original Gewehr 88 pattern where the lug is on the side of the barrel
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry Not much is known about the Gewehr 88 version, and it’s an absolute Frankenstein of a gun. The Germans were giving these out as commission rifles to countries like Turkey in the early 1900s after they retrofitted them. Then the Turks did their own retrofitting. Do you still have this M38 rifle and bayonet? I was wanting to find someone that has the bayonet and see if I can get some measurements from it
Very nice, they are underrated in my opinion. Thing I’ve noticed though is that almost no two are identical, there are so many guns that these were rebuilt from that it’s hard to say for certain what it once was
small ring barrel. all turk mausers are large ring receiver, small ring barrel. the 1903 model(has a tear drop bolt) uses a shorter action, and the bolts will not interchange.
To the best of my knowledge yes, however if it is a different model (some were built off of the G 88) it could be slightly different, if you have Instagram DM a pic or two to me @greatnorthwestweaponry and I’ll tell you what I know 👍🏻
I don't have an IG account. It looks exactly like this gun except the wood is darker and there's no bayonet. I didn't want to pay a lot of money just to shoot at the range considering I've never shot it. I really appreciate your replies. You've definitely earned a new sub!
For some reason CZcams black holed your comment but I did get to read it just before it disappeared and I totally agree, it took me forever to find an acceptably priced Kar98k and even then it was a bit more than I’d have liked to pay, most of the good ones go for way too much
Honestly Gun Broker probably has plenty to choose from, it not you can find The War Front Miliraria & Consignment, they have several you can choose from and they do ship out of state
Actually, a series of just long range shooting with mil surp rifles. There are videos out there of that but they are either poor quality video or the C&R rifles that everyone talks about. You got so unique/rare many rifles I would like to see the range on them. Just idea but either way I enjoy the content. Thanks
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry thanks for the very quick response lol. I just bought one in pristine condition and I want practice my marksmanship with this. I have have not shot this. I hope this is true mauser quality.
I got it! Dude behind the counter asked me what caliber it was so I told him and he came out with a box filled with ammo. 2 PPU boxes and a bunch of surplus ammo. He let it go for $100 and there’s about 350 rounds. The rifle is from 1940 and is in amazing condition. Now I just need a sling and a bayonet to complete it
That’s awesome man, congrats! A genuine sling may be pretty difficult to find, but bayonets are plentiful and usually pretty cheap. You can probably find 10+ offerings on EBay alone
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry hell yeah its an 8mm mauser and your right these guns don't get enough love been through 3 different wars and tumbled down a mountain and still when you sight it... it never changes for the rest of it life until you do
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry i have a nice vz 98/22(non turked) and a Persian mauser 98/29 to play with but your vid made me regret it. I used to not sell anyguns but now I have a new rule, dont sell USGI, german milsurps and old commerical American firearms.
Tis a good rule, I’d add anything pre WWII Finland or England to the list (that stuff is getting scarce) a friend of mine just picked up a Turked 98/22, probably doing a vid on it in the near future.
That's a great video! I'm a Turkish guy living in the US and recently got into Mausers after spending too much time and money on AK47s and AR15s. Your video was so helpful, and your pronunciation was more than acceptable! I appreciate you for such a great video. I will definitely be on the market for a Turkish M38
Thanks for watching! Glad I could do it justice 👍🏻
I have one I bought 5 years ago, I use mine deer hunting, always gets the job done every year. A real good rifle. A great deer rifle.
I’m considering it for hunting next year, it’s between this, the Winchester Pattern 1914, and the Sako M39. I was successful a couple years ago with the Winchester Model 1917, hunting with milsurps is just good clean fun
Just bought a 1903 Turkish Mauser, for all those considering buying a Mauser this is important!! There are different 8mm Mauser rounds and not all are compatible with your Mauser. Pay attention to what caliber and case it shoots. Mine shoots a 8mm IS also known as JS. If I were to buy JRS or IRS then the round probably wouldn't be able to be chambered. The R stands for rimmed. Also if your Mauser doesn't say it can shoot Spitzer ammo (which is what the S stands for) then you might have to find the rounded bullets.
99% of turk mausers that were rechambered for 8mm shoot the .323 spitzer bullet. ive got a 1903 as well.
How do you tell? I bought a 1934 at a gun show and the guy gave me some ammo but it won't fit.
Absolutely, love mine. Its in decent shape overall, the stock definitely seen better days. I tore the bolt down to pieces and gave it a deep clean, that mauser action purred like a kitty.
The first run, the four digit models were made in Germany in 1939 before tooling was sent to Turkey. I imagine the Turks were in Germany learning the process.
Good to know, thanks!
I have a very similar rifle. It is stamped 1944 and it has the downward sloped bolt with the steel barrel cleaning rod. Ty for sharing.
There are so many little variations with these things it’s insane, the store I got mine from has had at least six different sub variations of the same gun. Thanks for watching!
Enjoy your mix of old rifles fun to watch.
Thank you kindly! Many more new and old on the way!
istanbul teşekürler 👏👏
Bought mine years ago, I have a 1936 turkish mauser nice rifles
It is very painful to be unable to use this weapon as a Turk. Unfortunately in our country this is illegal
I’m sorry to hear that. Wish everyone had a 2nd amendment like us
thats messed up.
America moment
Not even Turks of the time they were made were allowed to touch them.
I jus bought one man I’m so sorry to hear that
You remind me a lot of one my gun friends. Gives me a good idea of what doing a gun review channel with him would be like.
Love it man!
The rifle is not an M-38, this name was given to the rifle by the American sellers as a way to identifying them. The proper name is Kirikale, which is a Turkish city near Ankara.
Yup 👍🏻 I think I clarified at the beginning of the vid that “m38 is not the actual name of any one gun but a designation given to it based on a set of similar features,” and I know I went on at length about Kirikale and Ankara later in the vid. But yes, you are correct
Some people talk shit about this rifle, some idiots are saying the M-38 will never be a collectible but who give a rat ass!!! A lot of K-98s are not collectibles either, some of them are made of cheap stamped wood, very crude similar to plywood.I want the rifle to shoot and to have fun with it, not to have it sitting in a safe...
Oh yeah I’ve seen the type! Honestly these old Turks are getting harder to find and more valuable (depending on location of course, some states have tons of them) I got lucky and had about five to pick between, local shop picked up a nice estate sale, so I think I got a real peach with this one.
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry People just add nomenclature to things for the hell of it. The rifle is simply a Turkish Mauser 38 made with German and Turkish apare parts. Do they work? Heck yeah they work and accurate as hell.
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry Stick around with your Turk Mauser and let the other idiots pay $2500 for a K98k. I wouldn’t pay that much for just a rifle.
My grandpa’s service riffle
These barrels were the same ones that were put on the GEW 88/05's when they went through rearsenals in Turkey starting in 1938 and were scrubbed and remarked.
I have one of these rifles, it’s crazy how much of a Frankenstein it is
Great informative video, thank you.
Thank you for watching!
Just bought mine for 300 at a gunshow, was barely finished loading my 4th round of 8mm when a feral pig rolled into the pasture, one round later he was no longer a threat to local agriculture, so can confirm these things are good for pest control and then some.
Actually they were built until 1954, that was the last year of production for the Kirikale.
Bought one for 150 bucks plus it came with 500 rounds in bandoliers. Thanks for the video!
Dude that’s an awesome deal! And thanks for watching 👍🏻
I bought one for $90 with 300 rounds, should've bough every one he had...
Yeah that’s definitely a darn good deal!
Excellent rifle dude. Mine is a 1945 k kale ankara as fa. I dont know what or if there are any differences compared to a German Gewer 98 but I am more that happy with mine. Now I just need to source a bayonet because.. well bayonets make a rifle at least 1 more cool!
Thank ya! The biggest difference is the sight picture, a lot of the parts for these actually came from old G98s. And I couldn’t agree more about the bayonet!
Nice shootin TomTom keep it up!
Thank ya kindly! Demo of your gun is next 👍🏻
As a Turk I'd like to add a couple things here :
Turkey did join the war diplomatically against the Axis , though no soldiers ever saw combat. This was because the Allies were pushing Turkey to join in on their side and Turkey wanted to gain a leverage to be able to join UN after the war (which she did).
Turkey granted asylum to virtually anybody who ran from the war. Jewish scientists , soldiers who ran from the Russians , you name it.
And I understand your pain about not being able to find any information on things. We can't either. We just don't write any detailed documents on *anything* anywhere. I guess cause 99% of people just don't care so they don't bother ? I don't know. We don't even have a name for the guns , we just call them all Mavzer. So long as they did the job , which they did well , nobody cared.
Don't worry about the pronunciation. Turkish is a very hard language speak. If you know how to pronounce German but with a normal r.
Thanks for the details! And the tip on pronunciation, I know a bit of German so that will help immensely for the future 👍🏻 thanks for watching!
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry happy to help
For some reason your comment on the website was deleted, YT doesn’t do well with website links, I can only see part of the comment in my YT Editor app (this has been happening a lot lately)
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry heya umm i might be a year late but another tip for turkish pronunciation, try to roll the r's
@Enes Zevrek thanks for the tip! Next time I bring out something Turkish I’ll keep it in mind 👍🏻
I have 0 idea how your Turks finish is so nice, my old girl is well weathered.
I got lucky and had five to choose from, my local gun store had just picked up a gun collectors estate and there were in the end I think seven Turks in there total (they didn’t get it all at once) but when I got there I had my pick of the litter and this was the nicest one 👍🏻 about 12 of my rifles came from that one estate
I live in southern Indiana just west of Louisville ky and I saw one at a hole in the wall local gunstore a few years ago for $199. I didn't buy it cause it was very rough and I didn't know much about them. I knew they were a bolt action chambered in 8mm Mauser but that's about all I knew. I wish I'd have bought it now
They are a lot better than they get credit for that’s for sure!
Just got a 1940 marked one today, what was odd is it has the box mag in an external config that's one piece with a super wide trigger guard in almost the exact same style as a Mosin and its marked 1914. A hodgepodge for sure but is definitely unique.
There are so many weird varieties made from so many different original rifles it’s hard to keep track of exactly what is what and what exactly constitutes an “M38”
i just bought a Turkish Mauser m38 for 300$ dollars at a pawn shop! what a steal
Not bad man!
ive got a 1903 that i put a side mounted scope on. looks like the g98 sniper from bf1 now.
Picked up a 1946 model today for 399. It is very accurate
Before 1923 Turkey was Ottoman Empire , and beginning of that year and on it is Turkish Republic ( which is the letters you see there as T.C. ( TURKIYE CUMHURIYETI) I believe it has been called M38 in USA because the Turkish Republic Military Factory started manufacturing these types by 1938 and on to 40s so. If you get a hold of a Turkish gewehr 88 , they were actually used in WWI , you might also feel like the writings on them are Turkish too as I see some people in CZcams making that mistake but they were actually more close to Arabic letters as the Alphabet in Ottoman Empire was somewhat close to Arabic . After 1923 when the republic established the Latin alphabet took over everything and on in Turkish Republic.
Thanks for the info!
Also I do have and did a demo on a Ottoman contract Gew. 88, excellent rifle
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry And thank you ... for your videos 👍
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry Hi Thomas , I went through your videos in this channel , but can’t find your video which you kind of mentioned you have studied/ presented the gewehr 88 also, so, if you’ll be kind enough to share me with the link, I’ll be much obliged , Thank you 🙏
czcams.com/video/iOVb9TGUJLk/video.html this should be the one
ı love this sound
I have a K.Kale 1943 Mauser in 7.92 X 57 with a curved (bent) bolt handle and a BARREL JACKET! Have you ever seen one like it? Especially with a barrel jacket? Dave
Honestly can’t say I have but sounds like it may have been built off of a Gewehr 88 perhaps? A lot of G88s went to the Ottomans in WWI and I’ve heard that many wound up being converted to something resembling an M38. I actually just got an Ottoman war aid G88
The 1893 models were made by the Mauser company for Turkey.
we have it from the first world war still working like a clock grandfather heirloom that rifle saved the homeland
I just got one that you can still make out the waffenfabik on the receiver, missing the upper hand guard that I just ordered, it was dated in 47
Very nice, enjoy!
Don't worry about butchering a language you don't know how to speak. It's alright :D
FYI: According to Ian from Forgotten Weapons, Turkish Mauser 8mm is just a product of a project from Turkish military to standardize all the riffles used by military. As you said, Turkish military had a lot of riffles from different periods and different manufacturers with varying calibers. In 1938, they are all sent to factories to get a standardization work... meaning a lot of them were mixed up. Army didn't care about matching the numbers appearantly.
Good info, thanks! And thanks for watching!
bascially, they didnt want to switch away from small ring barrels, because they had so damn many lol.
Question... How long is the cleaning rod you have? I've been looking and the longest I've come across is 27".. Thanks.
I’ll check later on and get back to you 👍🏻
I have one of these from 1933 but Its so hard to find a stock because my barrel is shorter. I found it laying in a old shop and took it and I'm trying to fully complete it.
Yeah that complicates things a bit, I’ve seen these with at least three different barrel lengths/front sight configurations. I believe it just depends on what gun the barrel was originally taken from
Check libertytree and Sarco. They both have tons of parts
I have the same thing
I have a 8mm Turkish mauser. On a small ring action. I have been told they are rare. There is a U shaped notch in the back of the ring so the point ofthe bullet will go in to the magazine. This rifle had been duffel bag cut. It has a perfect barrel mirror finish and the head space is good.
The U shaped notch is how you know it's a 1903/38 model. Those specifically were retrofitted from the rifles they had on hand that used older smaller calibers from my understanding, hence the notch.
That's a 7.65x53mm M1903 converted to 8mm. Cool find! Those are known as M1903/38 rifles.
@agentnuget the big difference is the action is shorter. And it is a small ring action. Yes . I have them 7mm ,7.62 , 8mm small and large ring. And a few of the Swedish Mausers.
Nice video , could you do one on the 1893 turkish?
If and when I get one yes! I did just get a WWI Turkish war-aid Gewehr 88/05 That will also be featured soon
I have one made from a 1905 artillery mauser with a bent bolt.
Very nice! Saw one recently that seemed to have been built off a Kar98A. Never know what you’re gonna get with these things
Fascinating video! I wonder how much higher the velocity is on these longer rifles than shorter rifles. Also, is the recoil noticeably lower than the shorter rifles?
I would say a K98k or VZ24 definitely kicks harder, but it still kicks pretty hard. As far as accuracy at distance I haven’t noticed a huge difference
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry interesting! This is on my list to get, but I just got a new Mosin, so it’ll be a while.
Spent a lot of time with Mosins last weekend (of the Finnish variety) to kick off a series on their evolution from the M91, what kind of Mosin did you pick up?
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry an M44 in good condition and a decent bit of ammo.
Very nice! I need me one of those
What you pointed to and as a referred to as a star on this bolt I have on a 1895 Chilean Mauser also, it's on the top of the 1895 bolt ball while on the bottom of my Turkish bolt ball? Any insight would be greatly appreciated, please? IIRC I payed in the neighborhood of $250 for mine?
Actually in the case of the Turk it’s a crescent moon not a star. Unfortunately I don’t know a lot about Chilean Mausers, never done a lot of research on them yet
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry if I had a cell # or email I could send pictures but, I know the problems with that.
If you have Instagram DM me @greatnorthwestweaponry
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry Don't do Instagram sorry. You could message me on
Face Book?
Unfortunately I’m not on Facebook, we appear to have ourselves a bit of a pickle here
They probably just made the mauser and didn't think about it.
Seeking ammo information. After much reading and re-reading I've come to the conclusion I'm needing to shoot 8mm JS but have seen IS out there as well. Aren't they the same? .323 right? I definitely do NOT want to put the wrong ammo in there!
They are the same, and the only other 8mm you will find (and good luck finding it) is round nose 8mm, which is .318 and not as hotly loaded. And again, you won’t find that unless you specifically know where to find it
I bought one of this on June this year.
It’s a fun rifle! Glad I picked one up
Great Northwest Weaponry Of course they are buy good and buy smart, let the idiot pay $1000 for a K-98, there are millions made all over America. A collectible is something rare like the Johnson semiautomatic rifle.
Marck Carbonell true that 👍🏻
hohohoooo m38 kırıkkale ! what a lovely riffle... our hole near history was written with this riffle... daamn dude my grandpa was an officer in turkish army and they used this riffles until 1950-1955... also my father and uncles were knew how to clean that riffles or rip off etc... even they were little childs... im curious about something how did you get the riffle you bought from turkey or bought in amerika ?
That’s awesome! Bought here in the USA, a local gun store has several of them 👍🏻
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry that sounds cool dude because in here (tr) you cannot find like this old style riffles anywhere... most of them probably recycled by tsk... a very few possibly may be you can find in black sea areas...in mountain villages... some day i want them... its a sumkinda military tradition in our army. always regular private guns were german... long years we used german g3. even if i am used too in military service. nowadays they modernized riffles through the mpt76's... a very unique riffle dude... oh by the way almost forgotten... we used amerikan m1 garand riffles too. still they are using in ceremonial processes national day parades etc. greetings from turkey stay safe and well !!
Thank you very much, you too!
Just bought a 1943 version. Came with some 8x57 ammo but the bullet wont fit, any idea?
My best advice would be to take it to a gunsmith and have them slug the bore to make sure it is in fact 8mm, but it should say somewhere in the import marking what caliber it is (unless you have one of the few that wasn’t officially imported) if it is supposed to be 8mm but won’t chamber then there’s something wrong with your gun. Could just be too much gunk in the chamber, could be something very wrong with your bolt or barrel
I have a 1941 and it looks like it's had a rough life. also a K.Kale.
The majority of the ones I’ve seen have definitely been put through the ringer
Older one like mine have a tear drop bolt, newer ones have a rounded bolt, interesting though
Its called Kırıkkale in Turkey, very strong rifle. These rifles were produced in Kırıkkale, it is a small city. I shooted in Turkish Army . Not allowed buy this rifle in Turkey 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🙂...
Thank you for the input and thanks for watching!
Sorry for the dumb question, but are you able to fit the 1903 long bayonet on the m38?
Haven’t tried and sadly I don’t have one, I could check with an M1 Garand bayonet though. Same attachment and both fit on the 1903. I’ll get back to you on it 👍🏻
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry alright cool thank you
I don’t know why these Turkish rifles are so discriminated by people they are great rifles.
I honestly believe they are much better than they are given credit for
Today 9/1/2021 bought a 1944 one for $200 out the door perfect bore no cleaning rod though these are a steal when you can find them
Nice find! When they pop up they’re usually very affordable
You stated you'd never find a K. Kale with matching serial numbers. I actually have one with matching serial numbers.
I suppose the term “almost never” would’ve been more accurate, they didn’t make their own barrels and usually didn’t make their own bolts so a matching receiver is quite uncommon/a happy coincidence
Great Video. I have the same rifle, mine has 1934 stamped on it. It Also has 8828 stamped on it. I have not shot it yet. I need to give it a good cleaning first. Do you have an email address i could send a few photos to possibly get a little more info? I am assuming it uses 8mm ammo.
The best place to reach me is on Instagram @greatnorthwestweaponry
I have a Turkish Mauser that’s based off the Gewehr 88 pattern rifle. It has more modern features that this rifle has. During the late 1930s, the Turks wanted to standardized their vast Mauser collection from the past 50 years.
My concern is finding a bayonet if it shares the same bayonet as this rifle. It mounts the same, unlike the original Gewehr 88 pattern where the lug is on the side of the barrel
I’ve seen one of the 88 pattern but didn’t get to mess with it unfortunately
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry
Not much is known about the Gewehr 88 version, and it’s an absolute Frankenstein of a gun. The Germans were giving these out as commission rifles to countries like Turkey in the early 1900s after they retrofitted them. Then the Turks did their own retrofitting.
Do you still have this M38 rifle and bayonet? I was wanting to find someone that has the bayonet and see if I can get some measurements from it
@forsakenace9577 I do, what dimensions are you wanting?
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry just a measurement from the handle to the barrel ring. And the inside diameter of the barrel ring
@forsakenace9577 I will get on that, probably won’t be until tomorrow but I’ll get it for ya 👍🏻
Bong hits for Thomas
Thank you sir
I have one but its missing parts and I cant find any anyplace.
Hope you manage to find what you’re looking for 👍🏻
How much are these going for now? I see all the milsurp rifles going up in price even before the pandemic.
I have a line on several for between $400-$600, but it largely depends on how available they are in your area
I got mine for $60 in the late 80s all the bandolier and ammo/bayonet
Wish I had been alive and able to do the same! That’s darn cheap
Crazy, spent 100.00 USD for mine awhile back.
too much.
Hey I got one of those. Complete with bayonet. $50 at a gun show. I can't decide if it was worth it or is just taking up space in my gun safe.
For $50 I’d definitely say worth it! Man I wish that was all I paid lol
I believe I just bought one of these haven't got it home yet but, from all indications same thing? Turkish Mauser 1945.
Very nice, they are underrated in my opinion. Thing I’ve noticed though is that almost no two are identical, there are so many guns that these were rebuilt from that it’s hard to say for certain what it once was
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry I'll keep that in mind although I rarely fiddle with my milsurps unless to maintain. Just shoot and clean them.
Good talking with you again.
Please explain you term short shanked barrels?
The overlap between the barrel and the receiver
small ring barrel. all turk mausers are large ring receiver, small ring barrel. the 1903 model(has a tear drop bolt) uses a shorter action, and the bolts will not interchange.
I know this may be ignorant to ask but I have a 1943 Ankara that was handed down to me by my uncle. Are all Ankaras 8mm?
Do you have any recommendations on ammo? I want to shoot it but I don't want to buy the wrong grain and mess it up.
To the best of my knowledge yes, however if it is a different model (some were built off of the G 88) it could be slightly different, if you have Instagram DM a pic or two to me @greatnorthwestweaponry and I’ll tell you what I know 👍🏻
Prvi Partisan/PPU makes a good 8mm Mauser that is pretty gentle on old guns like these, I wouldn’t recommend heavy hunting loads
And don’t use Turkish Surplus ammo if you can avoid it! It was made for this gun yes but it is corrosive and generally not good ammo
I don't have an IG account. It looks exactly like this gun except the wood is darker and there's no bayonet. I didn't want to pay a lot of money just to shoot at the range considering I've never shot it. I really appreciate your replies. You've definitely earned a new sub!
I bought a Spanish Mauser 7 mm last March. I got lucky and bought it for $259
Not bad! If I saw a Spanish Mauser for under $300 I’d definitely be all over it
For some reason CZcams black holed your comment but I did get to read it just before it disappeared and I totally agree, it took me forever to find an acceptably priced Kar98k and even then it was a bit more than I’d have liked to pay, most of the good ones go for way too much
hey i wanna pick one up. what are some good sites?
Honestly Gun Broker probably has plenty to choose from, it not you can find The War Front Miliraria & Consignment, they have several you can choose from and they do ship out of state
i have 2 of these . i they’re great rifles
Definitely an underrated one!
Are you the Thomas from Forest Firearms?
Once upon a time yes 👍🏻
Thomas, do some long range shooting with this lol
I mean honestly it might not do too bad 🤔 I’d take it over a Carcano!
Actually, a series of just long range shooting with mil surp rifles. There are videos out there of that but they are either poor quality video or the C&R rifles that everyone talks about. You got so unique/rare many rifles I would like to see the range on them. Just idea but either way I enjoy the content. Thanks
I’m hoping to get somewhere at least 300-500 yards to shoot and do that in the future 👍🏻 just gotta find the place to do it. Thanks for watching!
Were you shooting factory ammo?
@Ivan Belial I’m using Prvi Partisan (PPU) 198 grain
@Ivan Belial I generally find that old guns like PPU, pretty much all the 8mm and .303 ammo I use is PPU
Ppu 8mm huh? I'll look into it
It's expensive but I also use PPU, it doesn't feel as hot as others some times, but it works worth the money.
I have this model that's marked 1938
How does it compare to the Gewehr 98?
I definitely prefer the Gew 98, but these honestly aren’t far behind. They use quite a few original Gew 98 parts in fact
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry thanks for the very quick response lol. I just bought one in pristine condition and I want practice my marksmanship with this. I have have not shot this. I hope this is true mauser quality.
No problem! Good luck, my experiences with mine have been good, you’ll have to let me know how it goes 👍🏻
My local pawn shop has one of these at $499 I’m debating wether to snag it or not
Definitely not a bad deal, especially if it’s the only one available in your area. They are pretty underrated in my opinion
I know where I’m going tomorrow then!
In my experience they run from $400-$600 so you’re right in that range too 👍🏻
I got it! Dude behind the counter asked me what caliber it was so I told him and he came out with a box filled with ammo. 2 PPU boxes and a bunch of surplus ammo. He let it go for $100 and there’s about 350 rounds. The rifle is from 1940 and is in amazing condition. Now I just need a sling and a bayonet to complete it
That’s awesome man, congrats! A genuine sling may be pretty difficult to find, but bayonets are plentiful and usually pretty cheap. You can probably find 10+ offerings on EBay alone
Is that a big ring?
Iirc yes
I jus picked one up from a gun store for about 349 what a steal lol
Not bad! The price on these still seems pretty much in flux but that is definitely on the lower end of what I’ve seen them go for
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry yea I got pretty lucky at green top but they didn’t have any ammunition so I’ve been hunting locally
Yeah 8mm Mauser has dried up around here too, literally having an easier time finding 8mmR Lebel
Mauser Türk ama deneyebilmek için Amerikada olmak gerekli. Çok acıklı.
My barrel has no marking. The inconsistencies are real
I just picked 1 up for $330. It was alot cheaper than other rifles
Yeah they can usually be had pretty cheap, depending on availability in your area anyway
I'm about to pick one up for 300 with bayonet and rifle case.
Very nice!
@@Jahalang82 I just got one for 400.
$60 in 1989😃
Man I just got one in excellent condition for 400 bucks.
Very nice! They are pretty fun and affordable thats for sure!
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry I haven't shot it yet but can't wait too.
Enjoy! It’s a darn good time
Just got one in excellent condition for 300
Nicely done 👍🏻
Anyone else have problems with zero sight picture on anything less than 200 yards with these?
I personally haven’t with this example but I have a sample size of 1, hopefully someone else on here can help!
thats all the mauser rifles past the g98. the irons suuuck. i put a side mounted scope on mine.
Iqant one 8 mm
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Thanks!
Haha I have a K Kale marked barrel and receiver and all matching serial numbers
Very nice, it is extremely uncommon for them to be matched
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry hell yeah its an 8mm mauser and your right these guns don't get enough love been through 3 different wars and tumbled down a mountain and still when you sight it... it never changes for the rest of it life until you do
4:58 T.C is Türkiye Cumhuriyeti bro
I know, at 5:08 it’s written out in the bottom corner of the screen 👍🏻
sold my turk and i kind of regret it but i sold it to fund another gun
Every time I sell a gun I regret it, even if it was a piece of trash and I wind up getting something better I still miss it from time to time 😂
@@GreatNorthwestWeaponry i have a nice vz 98/22(non turked) and a Persian mauser 98/29 to play with but your vid made me regret it. I used to not sell anyguns but now I have a new rule, dont sell USGI, german milsurps and old commerical American firearms.
Tis a good rule, I’d add anything pre WWII Finland or England to the list (that stuff is getting scarce) a friend of mine just picked up a Turked 98/22, probably doing a vid on it in the near future.
Be careful don’t shoot big foot!!
I mean to capture him, have my own little Harry and the Hendersons scenario lol, thanks for watching!