Cimarron No 3 1st Model "American" Top-Break
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- čas přidán 12. 08. 2022
- Overview and "on the clock" shooting with the Cimarron No.3 American.
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Shooting starts around: 16:36
Belt/holster info at: 26:21
• Cimarron American Firs... for a quick first person reload.
When I bought my Navy Arms Schofield, .45C -7" in the early-mid 90's, I REALLY wanted a S&W Old Model #3 'American', .44R-8" ( "Old Old Model Russian" ); so, naturally, when these began to materialize, I sold my Schofield and grabbed the first one that I saw, a .45C-5". Although still looking for a .44R-8", I've very happily run many handloads of the shorter .45S&W through it, which incidentally, ride the extractor-star better than the narrow-rimmed .45C / .45Colt"Govt" cartridges. I tip my hat to Cimarron for resurrecting this beautiful classic, and I really enjoyed your presentation! Bravo!
Thanks for the info! I'm currently debating a Russian model with the goofy trigger spur and hump back frame. Glad you found some ammo that works more reliably as well. Really appreciate the support
I myself was lucky enough to get one of these, albeit with a 5" barrel, about a year and a half ago, during the height of the COVID gun shortage. Had been waiting for them to roll out for a while and was wanting to get one in .44 special, but I found one at a local shop in .45 and after seeing it in person, I decided I'd rather get one while I could than be picky about caliber.
Haven't had the pleasure of throwing any slugs with her yet, sadly, but I can 100% confirm that they are absolutely beautiful pieces of machinery. Cimarron really knocked it out of the park with this model.
Thank you so much for uploading this. I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for more uploads from you.
Thanks for the kind words! Absolutely love Cimarron as a whole and companies like them. Hope you get to put some rounds through it soon.
18 months and you've not fired it ? It would have been fired the moment l got it home lol
I own a second model American. I load a 214 gr. .429 bullet from a Lee mold seated shallow backed by 15 gr. of Hodgson triple F, FFFG. I believe the original load was a 214 gr. hollow base over 20 gr. powder. The brass is 41 Remington magnum trimmed down. I'd have to do some research to find how much to trim them because I bought mine already trimmed. When I've finished loading I pull the guts out of the full length resizing die and run the completed cartridge up in it. That reduces everything down to the case dimensions. I also load 6 rounds. What I do is load all six chambers then cock the piece keeping the muzzle in a safe direction. Then I pull the trigger and gently lower the hammer with my thumb while turning the cylinder with my other hand. Properly coordinated the firing pin can be guided into the space between the rims of two cartridges. This works with my Smith and Wesson second model American, my S&W new model 3 frontier, my S&W 1881 double action frontier, my Colt Frontier Six Shooter, my Colt Bisley Frontier, my 1878 Colt double action Frontier, my 44 Colt Richards conversion, as well as my drawer full of 38 S&W top breaks manufactured from the 1880's to 1919. In fact, I am right now reloading some 38 S&W.
You sir are dedicated! Someday when my boys are grown a bit I hope that I can put that kind of time in. Thanks for the awesome information.
as someone with zero knowledge, this is explained super nice uncle e!
Thanks, I guess it helps that I used to teach.
I've got the same gun in the 5-inch, I had a set of Stag grips made for it and it really looks great.
As far as usefulness is concerned, I would not feel under gunned in any way if I were to carry it every day.
Oh, speedloaders work on this old girl.
I think I would have preffered this design to the other offerings of the time for sure. Havent tried the speed loaders yet but I'm sure it makes a huge difference.
Didn't Wells Fargo order a bunch of these with five inch barrels
It's a bisley type grip which are very different, BEAUTIFUL replica. Alot of fun
That's an excellent point. I never thought of it that way...
Fortunately one can just use 45 Schofield ammo to solve the ejection problem. 😊
Thanks for these break top videos they are fascinating arms. It is amazing how different the Schofield, American, and Russians are from each other.
I would love to see you directly compare the various versions with respect to handling, pointabiliy, sight acquisition etc.
Reloading your own ammo is a huge plus with these cowboy guns. I'd love to get my hands on a Russian model and do a comparison sometime in the future.
Worked for me. A bit harder to come by but if you are in a situation every second counts. Recommend this gun. I was wondering if there are any double action versions of this? I have a smaller Iver Johnson 38 break open that is double action.
Great video, I love the revolver, beautiful. Thanks for the video.
Thanks! Hope to keep things like this coming
Mark Twain has a fairly well known rant about the SW No1 he used to tote around. You can find it pretty easily on Goggle. I believe its from his book "Roughing It"
If I remember right, the summary of the quote was something about shooting it all seven times for little to no effect. I know he said it more eloquently!
Keep in mind that many mobile photographers of the time as well as studios often would have some "props" for people to pose with. The weapons photographed with thesoldiers may or may not be their regular/issued or even personal weapons, but "props" belonging to the photographer.
That's an excellent point that I hadn't thought of. As far as I understand it, the no.1 revolvers weren't issued but personal purchase. I often wonder how much freedom the soldiers actually had when it comes to personal arms being used. I'm sure there were situations where it was necessity, but I sort of doubt it was the norm.
Cool gun. I'm getting one
You won't regret it
Beautiful gun
Awesome review TY for sharing
Thanks!
Very Nice.
I am envious over the No 3 American, as of right now (October of 2022) they are nigh impossible to find at any price. And I really enjoyed the video
Two things.
1. There are definitely ways of getting more power out of a 45 colt without pushing beyond the 14,000 limit most manufacturers stick too concerning reproduction firearms. Certainly there are some smokeless that can get you decent velocity with heavy (230-255 grain) bullets but I recommend the tried and true black powder 45 colt. With modern starline brass combined with the tighter tolerances and better steels of these reproductions, these guns are perfectly capable of handing even Elmer Keith’s 300 grain black powder 45 colt load (300 grain flat point over 30-35 grains of either FFg or FFFg black powder) or the original 255 grain over 40 grains of FFFg powder. A lot more cleaning but definitely balsifically on par with mild 357 magnum or 45 ACP +p loads.
2. I think the smaller sights were more for target or deliberate aimed fire. From what I’ve heard and been told about 19th century gun fights it seems more like shooters were point shooting and looking over the sights (or more specifically at just the front sight) than through the sights. If most of the time you’re not even looking down the sights there’s little to no point in having them be big or deep cut if what the gun is intended for is self defense type shooting.😂
All good points. It would be terribly interesting to be able to talk to gun designers of the day to see what influenced their thinking. Letters and documents are great but it leaves a lot to interpretation. I think that's what makes these guns so much fun; you get a sense of what was used. Some of the design or tactics fly against our modern ways of thinking. Just makes for much more interesting shooting than banging away at steel or paper when you get to add a historical factor.
@@triplefshooting I also can’t help but wonder if on originals we see such tiny tiny sights that are just survivors from years of holster wear. I’ve seen that commonly on 19th century smiths which their sights stick proud of the frame, but it’s not as common to see heavily worn sights on colts
@@Ben_not_10 that's an excellent point. If you carry the thing regularly the sights would be constantly worn against. As thin as they were it couldn't have been helping.
Excellent video ❤
Thanks! This was actually our very first video!
Nice vid! I have the 1875 SCHOFIELD 2ND MOD. - CHARCOAL BLUE FINISH AND COLOR CASE HARDENED. with the 7"barrel. I shoot both nitro and BP. With BP it tends to bind more often, so after every six shots, a little bit of WD40 does the job...
Great revolver!
Nice! Thanks for the info. Good to know you can still make it work with BP
Most excellent!
Try .45 S&W (Schofield) in your No.3, will negate the ejector riding over the rounds!
I have actually scored an old box of this ammo to test! I need to order a bunch of starline brass and start loading for the schofield and american.
The audio is a little on the quiet side I think. CZcams's volume slider is max and I still have to turn my computer audio up to hear things appropriately, which I don't have to do on other videos.
Unfortunately this was the first video I ever did. Now that I've had more time in the editing I've improved the audio a bit. Working toward getting a decent mic too. Hopefully future videos are less of a pain to hear.
Very nice! The only thing that’s missing is a cowboy hat.
It's missing because I look terribly ridiculous in one
@@triplefshooting Everyone does, but it doesn't stop them.
@@triplefshootingtry a Montana peak Campaign hat. The Montana peak was a popular style and I think you would look great in one
@Benjamin Hartle I'll check it out thanks!
I have twice passed on a No. 3 Russian. Next time I’ll bite the bullet. For just casual shooting the weird factor will add to the fun.
Would almost start reloading 44 russian just for it...
Nice looking firearm. I got one of the first one's out in 45 Colt as well. You really did a great job reviewing this firearm. At almost twice the price of a Cimarron model P 1873 Single Action Army, I would not do it again.
It is definitely expensive. The main driver for the purchase was the relative obscurity and historical factor. For a fun gun with lots of history the model p is really hard to beat.
@@triplefshooting Yes I agree, that is why I got one of the first Navy Arms Schofield models and (going to the movie theater and watching Unforgiven in 1992) I think my name was on the waiting list for over two years before getting serial#253 I also watched Mike Harvey talk about the #3 1st model American and Texas Jack Omohundro. that was a good one! I still would like to get the Russian model but, the price is just over my limit, so I may never get one.
@Dick Goesinya the Russian is definitely on the list. From what I hear it is the least comfortable to shoot because of the hump in the grip frame. So naturally that makes me want it more
@@triplefshooting I was at the Taylor's and Company Firearms Showroom in Winchester Va. back in 2020 when they still had tons of items in stock and Brad let me handle just about every gun in the showroom. They had a nickel-plated Russian model that was cool as the other side of the pillow, but you can't have them all.
44 American Outside lubed CAN be hand loaded. I hand load 38 Long Center Fire Outside Lubed
How difficult is the process compared to modern loading? And where do you find the components? Thanks for the info!
Nice gun, nice rig and cool video. Best regards from Sweden!
Thanks! Just curious, what are the gun laws like there? Can you own something like this?
@@triplefshooting Yes you can if you are member of a shooting club that are into historic/ cowboy shooting and can show that you have no criminal history+ no mental illness. Things are a bit more complicated compared to what I understand of American laws/regulations.
Here in Sweden you apply for a licence on each and every gun you want to buy. On that licence you must show that you have a need for that gun, may it be for shooting moose or participating on cowboy shooting. We have a strong tradition of hunting small and large game.
@@SuperLaplander Thanks for the info. Sounds more complicated but better than some parts of Europe.
@@SuperLaplander Sounds very similar to purchasing a suppressor or short barrel rifle/shotgun here in the states
Great video especially the demonstration vs the SAA.
Ive been eyeballing one of these for a while and will probably grab one fairly soon, what would be really neat is if uberti started makeing reproductions of the later double action versions
I've been hoping for the same. I'm guessing they won't since they make the lightning revolver in single action, when the original was a double. Although I think the double action S&W models were much more viable. We can always dream
The market is SASS so DA and are very unlikely. I just wish I had the $$$ for any of them.
@@mkshffr4936 I had no idea why they dont make them but now that you point that out it makes total sense, these are mostly SASS guns arnt they?
@@therideneverends1697 Yes, Cowboy Action has brought us so many wonderful old designs and really kept the lever action and single shots rifle market alive.
My rig is similar. It’s based off Chris Pratt’s in the magnificent seven remake. It should be here within the month from hellhound leather.
I'll have to check it out. Have a small collection of belts now. Almost as bad as the gun habit
@@triplefshooting so true
If you hate the American model Schofield that much I'll gladly buy it from you. Just need a price partner.
Ha! This is one that won't be going anywhere anytime soon. It's too much fun to deal with the "odd" features.
Good video. Push your volume up more than you think you should and it will improve the sound.
Been looking into getting a decent mic. Been burned once on the cheap one already
I recently got to handle a Cimarron Schofield and I got to handle an original Smith And Wesson top break 44 (though it was a double action) personally after working the latch several times on both. I actually prefer the first model Americans style of latch. Can’t explain it but my thumb tends to get better grip pushing the lap up verses pulling it back.
I can see where you're coming from. It certainly feels like a stronger lockup. The one handed unloading is a nice feature, but I'm not sure that it's a make or break thing
This release is far superior to my uberti mo.3 thay has the release pulls back and can be tripped by accident
It is definitely more secure. Probably a reason the no. 3 3rd model went back to the "pull up" style of latch. It is fun to run a schofield with one hand though.
Any tips on tightening the gap at the top latch on the 1st model? It wiggles a bit fwd/bkwd after latching closed.
Unfortunately I don't work on them. Finding a gunsmith that does may be a bit of a search
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Those long barrels were made for accuracy not the fast draw.
Agreed. Unfortunately for my draw speed, I much prefer the look and feel of the longer barrel on a revolver like this.
Third time watching this video!
Glad you're enjoying it. By far my favorite subset of firearms. Should have some more cowboy-old west videos coming soon.
Dieser Revolver ist doch ursprünglich für die Kavallerie entworfen worden, das heißt das man den Revolver auf dem Pferd schnell nachladen kann,ohne die Hände lange vom Zügel zu nehmen.
I think the 5" was manufactured for Wells Fargo...
I know for sure a bunch of the Schofield models in 45 were purchased by Wells Fargo but I have no idea about the 1st models in 44
.44 special caliber would work.
It would definitely be fun to have. Then you could probably hand load a reasonable facsimile of the original cartridge. Unfortunately it would also be expensive and hard to get right now.
As of AUGUST 23rd, 2023:
The No.3 1st American revolvers in .44 SPECIAL chambering that are spoken of on the Cimarron website, and in their paperback catalog, HAVE NOT BEEN RECEIVED BY CIMARRON FROM UBERTI.
Of the one-hundred-ninety-eight (198) ordered in the 8" barrel .44 Special configuration, put forth more than three years ago now, none have been manufactured by Uberti as of yet. The good folks at Cimarron grow increasingly aggravated with the situation that Uberti is creating, as they believe that much of their orders are not being fulfilled.
If you have been waiting to acquire one of these revolvers in any caliber other than .45 Colt, you may be stuck waiting for a considerable timeframe.
Thanks for the info... although that really sucks. Hate to hear it's taking so long
Nice job with the Colt but that’s got to be as fast as it can be done. Carry a second gun👍
Absolutely. Maybe 3 or 4!
I think I know you from somewhere
Probably just a coincidence 🤔
I want one, just way overpriced.
You really have to want it bad to spend the money. When there's really only one place to get one it's hard to drive prices down.
Give you $600 cash dollars for pistol
This one is a keeper for me!
Then where I find one?
@@texasghostrider9644 looks like gunbroker is your best bet right now
Give me your Schofield!
Give it me!💀🤠