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Uppers & Bolt Carriers Used:
COLT AR-15 SEMI-AUTO 9MM complete upper & Colt BCG (Model: AR6951)
FM-Products Complete 16 inch Monolithic 9mm Glock Upper Receiver with FM-Products Premium 9mm Bolt Carrier Assembly
Palmetto State Armory 10.5" 9MM 9" LIGHTWEIGHT M-LOK RAILED UPPER with PSA G9 Hybrid BCG
CMMG Guard 8” Upper Group, MkGs, PDW, 9mm, SBN
Ammo used:
American Eagle 115gr 9mm target - Sport
Designer here. I recommend a swappable mag baseplate in MEAN red - easy ID that an EndoMag is installed
The customer service people were fantastic. They refunded my money without any questions asked. Even provided some extras at no additional cost. My thanks toTommy and the rest of the staff. Great products as well. I couldn’t be more pleased.
Crazy how you guys literally changed the 9mm AR game.
I understand there are dedicated lowers and whatnot but I personally like using standard AR lowers for everything I can.
Indeed. Makes the standard lower more versatile. You can't switch back to 556 on a dedicated 9mm lower.
Except if you touch the mag it jams LOL
They don't feed well, just buy a stern defense adapter
Dodd Garger Damn, really?
Just got mine in the mail. Excellent demonstration BTW. I use the Ballistic advantage barrel with the Faxxon BCG Gen2.
Please make a 10mm version! Glock had the lock on 10mm mags. We need competition!
Cant wait to finish my upper, I got the 3 pack!
Nice! Hopefully it'll work with my psa upper and FM buffer and spring !
I just discovered your mag. And this video answered the questions I had. I will be getting some when I have some spare change. This allows me to look for whatever upper I can find for the best price.
It works with the foxtrot Mike upper... I just put 150 rounds through it with minimal issues
@@murphybrown666 I ordered a delta team tactical upper and 2 inserts. Just waiting on the mail now. Thank you for your comment.
@@scatwater how did the DTT upper do? I was just looking at them today
@@2wheeleddemon999 The upper is meh. I am using this as a range toy. The ejection port was milled poorly but it has not stopped the function of the upper. My biggest hiccups having not understood that I could not just slap this on my AR lower. I did not buy a 9mm buffer so I am not cycling correctly at this time. I just haven't had a chance to order the proper buffer. I would be tempted to go back to them for the right deal. I do like the upper receivers from AR15 discount.com better their NIB brand. I believe. So far I don't regret it.
Decent idea. I guess it helps people who don't want a dedicated 9mm lower or own Glocks.
Use one on my AR 30 Luger. Had to do a small bit of trimming but now works.
Use these with a random 9mm build. After about 100 rounds of break in they work perfectly!
Can't wait to try! Just got them last week (from a dealer who had in stock). Unfortunately my 9mm bolt was sent off to get milled to be compatible with Glock mags... I'm gonna have to wait...
You only needed to wait a year or so and you could just buy one for a bill. I bet machining cost half that.
I would prefer Desert Tan, Khaki, or Gray for 9mm.
BTW - I am also interested in field tests for reliability with the Echo II trigger.
Thanks!
Mine started failing to eject after 150 rounds. When I contacted you guys you had some recommendations for something I thought was a trouble-free drop-in product. I love the concept but I'm glad I only bought one and was able to convert my PMAG back to it s working form
Hey Jeffery, We sent you an e-mail to discuss replacing this unit.
I don't particularly care as I plan to ceracoat my 9mm grey and use gray pmags so for me gray is 9mm and black is 556.
Dito on a 20 round version. 30 round mags are hard to shoot from the bench or bipod.
I have a full custom built 9mm upper. CMT ambi lower/upper, CMMG BCG, Faxon Barrel with an Octane 9 on a 3 lug. I tested the Endomag with several different rounds, case materials and brands. Not a single issue. my SBR ate everything I fed it. I am headed over to order a few more.
Gordy no flimsy feed ramp issues?
If you are referring to the two lips that come up and are pushed out so the top of the mag clips in the mag itself, yes those are a little flimsy. The actual feed ramp itself seems to be solid. My Endomag shot everything I fed it
9mm Rifle to 9mm SBR within 10 seconds. Very cool.
Red stripes just like your Mean logo
If you can get this to work in a standard magazine that would be great , having to buy a pmag and your kit makes it expensive unless you already have a bunch of pmag's laying around
PMAGs are, at most, a couple bucks more than surplus aluminum mags. Last ones I bought were Gen 2's at $8 each. At $10 you can't find anything new cheaper. You should already have 10 of these if you shoot ARs.
For some reason my last round hold open isn’t always reliable on my PSA upper and bolt carrier. The bold release seems a bit sluggish because it rubs on the soft plastic end of the endo mag.
NO FKN WAY! these work with the colt styles BCGs?! I kept thinkin they only ran with the glock or hybrid carriers...
that snickers bar though...
You must change to a heavier buffer tube spring. It will solve all the problems if the standard mil spec lower isn't working properly. Trust me it will work!
Bolt and buffer should weigh between 22.00 and 24.50 oz. I have PSA 4” and 8” Gen 4 uppers. All 3 weigh between 14.00 and 14.5 oz. So you should use a 9MM buffer (they are different than a 5.56 buffer) that makes the combined weight between 22.00 and 24.50 oz. With the EndoMags this is an awesome platform.
Ok I'm getting myself a 9mm upper.
Please, Please, Please make an EndoMag for the 20 round Pmag!!
Agreed. I'd be more interested in that
just use a standard pmag and cut the endo mag plastic tabs to hold 20 rounds
@@erraticstatic70 What would be the point of that!? The magazine would still be too long.
The purpose of the 20-round mag isn’t to “limit” the rounds, but because it’s shorter. For shooting from a bench.
9 mm endomag... I can confirm that it works with Smith & Wesson M&P lower and a foxtrot Mike 9 m m upper... Still getting it broken in... Had a couple of feed issues... But probably about 95% reliable... Sometimes it will not feed the last round... I had a couple of rounds that it shoved into the end of the magazine instead... and one bent casing... That was out of about 150 rounds... Overall it's pretty damn good
Meaning it's not reliable... Honestly
@Dodd Garger as a defensive weapon. Not as a range weapon. Dedicated lower and compatible upper for a defensive weapon.
Does anyone know issues with the FM9 7" with side charge? How will a can affect cycling down the road?
I have an echo trigger and if I'm going hog wild with it I am wondering how long that polymer eject will last under heat. Can you do a torture test one the mags so we can see the limits of the system?
Don't worry the mag will jam often enough to protect itself 😜
A spent case is very light doubt it will ever hurt it
Get a stern defense mag adapter and thank me later
Working on getting a BCA upper running with these, sometimes it jumps the round and jams
I'm gonna try a heavier 8oz buffer and a 308 spring
Same issues with 2 different lowers, SW mp gen1 and a newer psa both 556 milspec carbine
I was getting lots of double taps, and even 6x taps lol
I think it's a buffer problem since the bolt was moving fast enough to slam the firing pin far enough to strike another round
My quick fix was to try a cz75 firing pin spring which fits and works perfectly, it's 3x the stiffness yet still no light strikes...
I have a mil spec palmetto state armory lower with bear creek 9mm upper. You must use a heavier buffer tube spring. Took it to a gun Smith to find this out after having 2 out of battery experiences. So please trust me on this!
@@jamesjohnson6731 nope, you need a much heavier buffer 11oz with STD spring worked better for me than anything else
Would not reliably cycle the hotter Winchester 124 but did better with geco 115 for some reason pretty sure it's not near as hot
This tells us there are some quirks in the setup that you have to tune to 100%
I think it also means the endomags are only marginally reliable
They say to contact the upper manufacturer instead of just telling us what the spring type buffer weight and bcg weight are, that would make setup easy because they're definitely sensitive to timing
Mine definitely would not run with endomags and a STD spring STD buffer, the 11oz buffer and 115gr it seems happy until you try to stuff 30 in the mag, then it wouldn't run, 20 in the mag seems to work
Don't like seeing all the gouges in the feed ramps sure doesn't inspire confidence
I am good with any color
I'm confused I have a CMMG Banshee upper with a Anderson lower. Do You think I should I get the CMMG version of the magazines or the normal EndoMag?
is this kit compatible with ets mag?
Why not make it in metal instead of cheap plastic
Money.
@@icaboy Plastic is unreliable, deforms and fails over time. They might sell more and have a better reputation if they made them with steel.
@@tastymeats4029 3,000 rounds 0 failures..
@@michaelshanahan4965 3000 rounds Mean Endo mag with what BRAND name 9mm upper???
Link....Does anyone have the link to project freedom buffer recommendations that he is taking about in the video? I can not find it....Thanks
What name of the thing he fired rifle inside of to make sure its fire right ?
i have ben waiting on building a 9mm ar. so much other stuff going on. this changes the game. cheap upper, bolt , your 3 pack of mag inserts. GTG.
Go with the CMMG Guard upper. You won't have to worry about the flimsy ejector.
So when are these shipping
But the question we're all asking is what is the ETA on shipping?
last i was told via email was end of sept.
@@jacksprrow well it's the 26th and still no inserts :(
Do these work with gi mags?
Eta on mags!?!
Thought I was watching fire mountain outdoors for a minute
Can't get endomags to work with my bca 9mm upper, tried 11oz buffer and 308 spring vs STD spring, everything has stoppages with gouges in the feed ramp in the mag
Finally just ordered a stern Glock mag adapter
Wish I could return these things
Hi Dodd, Sorry you are not satisfied with your EndoMags. Did you contact our support team as we would like to assist you in getting this working? I looked in our system and don't see your name. We stand behind our products and if we can't resolve your issue (via our lifetime warranty and support) we will refund your purchase. We would have reached out to you but I can't find a record of a direct order with us as I am guessing you purchased from a dealer. I think you will find we have a pretty good reputation for great customer support. You can e-mail us at support@meanarms.com or 404-889-8960.
Doesn't make what bolt you use, doesn't hold open on last round.
Maybe fix the reliability of the plastic feed lips before putting any effort into aesthetics.
Where’s the buffer system video? What’s the best compatible buffer weight, spacer and spring overall?
Look around. I found a guy on the net who wrote a blog on AR9s, who claims you need a total buffer and bcg weight of 24 oz., with a weighted buffer and a carbine spring. Most buffers heavy enough are long enough that a spacer isn't needed.
I'm using an Armaspec 9mm SCS system on an FM upper and it works fine.
Faxon 9mm bcg w Aero upper assembly?
The mags are hard to load
Pretty cool how you switched from rifle to SBR
AzShootist lol my thoughts exactly
Yep. Noticed that immediately.
How about a Thin Blue Line
What size /weight did you use with the PSA upper?
I read/watched somewhere that for AR 9's the BCG and buffer should weigh around 24 ounces, total, and use a carbine spring. The added weight in some 9mm bcgs is there to help achieve this. Ideally the buffer should also be weighted, rather than solid, to help prevent bolt bounce (dna to CMMG delayed radial blowback system). Some systems suggest using a longer buffer or a spacer on the spring at the end of the tube to make sure the bcg does not travel too far into the tube and too far past the bolt catch so the bcg does not have a "running start" on it's return cycle to blow out your bolt catch when activated. The space/longer buffer stops rearward travel just past the catch.
I use a 9mm Armaspec silent capture system and it seems to work pretty well (you can find them on sale for about $55 if you look which gets close to the price of a good 8 to 10 oz buffer). If you really want to use one AR lower for a 9mm and some other caliber upper, get two of these (one 9 and one H, H2, etc), remove your buffer detent, and swapping becomes really easy as the spring and buffer are a contained unit and just rest in the tube.
HA! I just saw you posted three years ago! You know all of this by now!
My PSA G4-9 will not lock open. Using gen & 3 pmags on last round. Any idea?
I had same problem last night on the install. I tried the mag on a different lower and it locked. I decided to change the bolt catch.....voila it now locks!!! Hope this helps. Try on a different lower if you have another rifle. 👍
lolol the snickers
I've been seeing a lot of people not swapping the buffer and spring. They just leave in their carbine stuff and swap the upper. Thoughts?
Hey @ryanking1595 Our Bearing Delay Upper is designed to work with a standard carbine buffer and spring. For standard 9mm blowbacks we would recommend a standard spring with a heavier longer buffer. Using a carbine buffer with a shorter standard 9mm blowback can cause damage to the LRBHO as well as the potential for bolt bounce. You also should try to avoid a solid buffer. You want the buffer to have movable weights to have a dead blow effect to avoid bolt bounce.
Lol did you steal the fail army ending music for your intro or is that open source?
No 40 round mags adaptors, jambs all the time, when it jambs it ruins the ejector. Junk
I have read a lot about the material used on the feed ramp which is plastic. Why not metal? About the color asked, really?does not matter because the user can put a visible mark or a sticker on their dedicated pmags with the endomag inserted. Please, make a lasting product instead of offering a lifetime warranty. Taurus is famous for it and their customer services is a pain in the head.
Why does the feed ramp cause issues with these mags is there a different mag available so you don't have to change the barrel.
Just got my endomag and see the warning about barrel feed ramp. What's the deal, did you ever get any answers??
Hey forgot to post this but u called and there is no problem with barrel feed ramp. Put mine together runs perfect. No issue.
@@jasonkinney2881 haha thanks got mine already way back. Take care
If I pre order will the magazine come complete or just the spring kit ? In 10 rounds
Its just the spring kit and follower. You supply the pmag
If you order it with just 10 rnd. Capacity, that would be a restricted state endomag and that style comes complete.
Can the EndoMag be used with the Taccom 9mm upper with a Taccom bolt? Are any modifications required?
Thank you for your inquiry and your interest in MEAN Arms products. Our EndoMags are designed to work with Milspec uppers. Although we have not specifically tested them with a Taccom 9mm bolt and barrel combo, we do not see there being any issues. We do offer a lifetime warranty on all products and a 30-day money back warranty, so if for any reason it does not work, you can ship it back to us here in Atlanta, and we will refund the full amount of your order. If you have any trouble please contact us at support@meanarms.com.
Green
What buffer size/weight did you use with the Guard upper?
CMMG says they use a standard carbine buffer and .308 spring in the Guard so that is probably what he used.
Thanks!
Dude just made an SBR.
can it use on ANGSTADT AR9 bolt and barrel ?
Building it now. I believe it does.
Does not work with my Angstadt Arms 9mm BCG. Keep getting failures to feed/eject.
Will it work on aluminum magazine
Neon green or black... As long as they get rolling off the line. 😁
Red is good too
Red
Wish my endomag fed reliability
Same here man
@@doddgarger6806 Same here as well. The plastic just deforms over time. It's basically a disposable product.
What bcg you using?
What color won?
It’s still black as of me receiving package yesterday...lol
Will this mag work with left handed upper/ejection?
Ron, The EndoMag is only compatible with MILSPEC right hand ejection upper receivers, as the ejector is on the left side of the magazine. Hope that helps! - MEAN Arms
@@andrewbiskup Another left hand hater company.
Far from the truth! Check out our fully SYMMETRICAL ambidextrous lower receiver we just launched this year at Shot Show! And we are always developing innovative solutions 😉
@@andrewbiskup Everybody makes an ambi lower these days. Until you have spent a day shooting a right handed rifle left handed, suppressed with gas blowing your face off. You don't know what I'm talking about. Try to build a true lefty 9 carbine. Left hand ejection is innovative!!
No one makes a symmetrical ambi lower like ours though 😎 (and I'm ambidextrous so I know what you mean to shoot lefty, suppressed, on the ground side proned in the sand 😂 eyes closed mouth shut haha)
Your endomag is a real techical fail, why the hell did you made the ejector in plastic?
After 50 rounds the edge if the plastic ejector of my endomag was gone and does not pushed out no round anymore.
Please can you give feedback why you did that technical issue, made the ejector please in metal so that everything is much more longlife.
Hi Peter, Please contact our support to discuss and replace those units. We have units with thousands of rounds run at full auto so I am sure we can assist you. Please e-mail support@meanarms.com.
So what about those buffers???
if you cant tell the difference maybe you shouldn't be handling/using a firearm , the phrase " you need to be smarter than the tool (firearm)" don't be the fool with a tool , imo , be sure/careful ;-)
Just emboss a large 9 on both sides and baseplate problem solved fellas
You pick the color. I don't care. Not even a little.
Anyone have any issues with any specific brand of upper? Don't want to buy something that won't work well with this
Or can anyone say what uppers WORK with this?
Fix the crappy plastic ejector before considering colors. It's a shame you are using your paying customers as product testers.
I don’t own any pmag and I’m in California 😭
They sell 10rnd pmags and this comes in 10rnd conversions for them, so you're all good
I know it’s hard to move but freedom is costly but always ends in happiness and peace.
Don't let anyone tell you to move. Perfect weather 90% of the time will contribute to a better life more than the right to have 30 round mags. That background check for ammo though sounds like a supreme hassle. If I still live in CA I probably wouldn't even own guns, because all my $ and time would be spent on surfboards and bikes.
Did you inadvertently make an SBR with the PSA upper? If you're a firearms mfg, is that ok for testing/R&D purposes without needing a tax stamp (or maybe that lower is an SBR lower)? You might want to explain to the....less thoughtful...folks out here in internet land why that was ok so they don't copy you and wind up in a world of crap.
Whatever color follower you use, you should just avoid the color of any major aftermarket anti-tilt follower in the market and the five most popular AR manufacturers color-schemes.
I'm running a conversion block bc I've got tons of cheap Glock mags already, but it's a little hinkey so I'm going to grab a dedicated lower. If mag compatability was a non-issue I'd definitely use your product to maintain lower compatability/flexibility.
the endomag i bought was junk a waste of money
Hi Calvin, Sorry you are not satisfied with your EndoMag. I hope you will consider contacting our support to see if we can assist you in resolving the issues you may be having. I checked our support system and I don't see where you have contacted us. We stand behind our products and if we can't resolve your issue (via our lifetime warranty and support) we will refund your purchase. We would have reached out to you but I can't find a record of a direct order with us as I am guessing you purchased from a dealer. I think you will find we have a pretty good reputation for great customer support.
Preach, mine are a 100% failure
I've sent emails with no reply, Karri's Guns just said watch the vid. 3 hrs of breaking them in with failures.
So they chose black....😂
that plastic ejector sucks needs to be aluminum
They don't work, they don't work, theydont work, they don't work,