Cheap Comp Crawler Vs $1200 Axial Capra!
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- Cheap vs Expensive RC Cars! - Take 1 Very expensive Axial Capra, and 1 Very Cheap FTX Ravine and head to the Quarry! How will they compare? $1200 Vs $120 Rock Crawler!
Capra Cheap Alloy Wheels:
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Cheap 'Good' Servo (25kg)
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Proline Hyrax 'Predator' 1.9 Tyres:
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2300kv Hobbywing AXE ESC/Motor combo:
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Axial Capra VITAVON 'hop ups' (UK)
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You have to hand it to the FTX Ravine in this video, what a piece of Kit for the money! By the Hobbywing AXE System on that Axial Capra is just so good! Along with the super grippy tyres!
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A grand with upgrades agaimst 100 out of the box. The ravine is a.clear winner. Put the upgrades on the ravine and rerun
What upgrades? That’s the problem with these cheap crawlers there’s nothing you can get other than wheels and a motor that will break the stock gears.
@@markschroeder4949 you actually can get more than wheels and motor for the danchee ridge rock . Don’t know about ravine
@@markschroeder4949 yes there are other upgrades, mostly the do-it-yourself kind but they increase the capability a lot.
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Relocate ESC. Custom lower links to improve ground clearance.
Steering link is too Flexible.
Swap the servos out and lose the savers.
Metal carriers and cups.
Motors are a sore point.
Il be getting a set of replacement gears and seeing if I can find parts to mod for a metal gearset.
Just about to dump a couple of 1080 in and go front rear dig.
@@longdongnigga3353danchee is another animal dude
7:20 food!!
I had to fight the Wasps for it.....
Hi
Glad to see you on here Kevin.
I was very much hoping that you might whip the wheels off the Capra and chuck them on the Ravine so we could see how the Ravine managed with posh tyres.
One thing´s for certain - the (gorgeous) Capra cost ten times as much but it didn´t get ten times as far!
I don’t like to disappoint Del.... I actually have that video uploaded, but that’s for next week. I’m away for a bit now so have a few ready to go.... 😎👍
@@TomleyRC "Away", is it? Drying out, no doubt...
Venturing down south the my parents... a week away from the camera and real work! Lol
@@TomleyRC Have a brilliant time, Phil - as such a prolific uploader of high quality work you deserve a change of pace : )
TBh though they're only hyraxes, very average tyres.
I’m impressed with that cheaper rock crawler! I’d feel a lot safer using that and feel confident that my wife wouldn’t be behind me with a glazed over look on her face and an ice pick in her hand!😜
hahaha
That's why you tell your side chick to stand behind her with a bat
Agreed my wife would not be a happy person if I purchase a 1200 dollar toy .
Worth mentioning to those of us in the USA that this is available from Redcat as the Danchee Ridgerock for $120
Santa is bringing me one😉
@thelaneman how far do you like it
@@alex3I4_ The Ridgerock is a budget beast! I've been able to handle terrain where my buddy's TRX4 could not go.
I put a set of white spot HPI competition rock crawler tyres onto a Ravine, and it is nearly unstoppable. Part number is HPI 67772 if this helps anyone out. They are about £40 for a set, but makes this little truck keep up with the best, in my opinion. Not bad for £140 all in.
Nice, thanks for the info! I may have to try some.
I agree. I run these also, although have actually switched to a mix, front 2 modified standards and the HPI's on the rear. I feel the HPI's lack on low grip, slick surfaces.
Thanks for that tip 👍🏻👊
The Capra crawls super scale! That's the greatest advantage, you feel the rush.. the Ravine is sweet, but bounces around like a toy..
I like your honest video. It shows one thing . Cheap does not always mean crap. There are reasons why the Axial Capra is more expensive.
If we compare oranges to oranges an RTR Capra does not cost. 10x the FTX ravine but 5 x as much.
Your upgrades made the higher price gap.
Servos,ESC , motor , tyres etc against FTX stock and yet we cannot ignore the FTX performance with all stock items compared to a modified rig.
If only what you removed out of the RTR Capra was installed on the Ravine I strictly believe that the FTX would even have done better.
This shows that expensive does not necessarily mean the best. The extra money you spend in the Axial Capra at stock stage has certain reasons behind it. One of this is 3rd party support and upgrades something FTX ravine will lack.
The important thing for someone starting hobby is the budget see how much of a car you can get with your budget.
Get a hobby grade always -and FRX offers entry level hobby grade rigs which are good value for money .
Finally enjoy the hobby and exploit your vehicle. When it’s time to upgrade consider higher priced RTR’s or better Kits against upgrading a car that you already have.
When you upgrade do not expect always a better result some times a combination of mechanisms do not perform well or need tuning to get them work well.
Most of all enjoy
Yes, a stock Capra Vs FTX would have been even closer
i have a Danchee Ridgerock that i put 2.2 mudslingers with no foam . sold my capra and got a ridgerocks for backup parts . i up graded to injora threaded shocks and holmes trail motors . massive difference so glad i got rid of that capra money pit . crazy part is i had enouh money left to build a 1/5 scale rollor out of exceed 1/5 side plates and link arms , injora cnc axles transfer case , proline velocity 40 series rims with h-pin tires , castle sidewinder 3 and holmes trail 37t motor !
Awesome!
I own the Redcat Danchee Ridgerock which is very similar and I just recently sold my Axial Bomber. You do have the weight advantage with the Capra VS the FTX Ravine, it would be interesting to see how the FTX would hold up in the challenging area if it were weighted down. Quite honestly, I have more fun with the Redcat Danchee than I did with my Axial Bomber knowing that it's a 1/4 of the cost of my Axial Bomber.
I'm like thst too , i have more fun my granite sometimes bc its cheap to run frequently
Reminds me of our Danchee Ridge Rocks. The tires look the same too. Those tires are actually super grippy on most surfaces. We lowered ours a bit and already improved it’s performance with very little cost. 4 springs from ballpoint pens. Boom!
The tire made the biggest difference…. Also they require different driving styles based on the 4. WS vs the dig feature….
Awesome video (as always) I really like both crawlers but couldn't justify the cost of the Capra especially as the FTX is not that much behind it, with better tires and servos it would be even more capable, I would like to see you add a Redcat Racing Everest - 10, I think that as its fairly cheap and not a MOA it would be an interesting combination of vehicles. Keep up the good work I appreciate the time and effort you put into all your videos, you have single highhandedly got me back into the rc world with a vengeance lol
No worries Mark... glad it's got you back in to RC 😃
I could swear that ravine is a Redcat danchee. I mean everything looks the same as I can see. But that was an pretty fun contest to watch, the capoeira did that hill climb so smooth. Great video, everyone have a great day and a great crawl
my mate's got the cheep one so much fun, be interesting to see how they get on with the same tyres though
Pretty impressive, dude!!! Fantastic testing and comparison! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks mate... and you 👍
I've been LOVING your channel lately. Best on you tube!
Thanks Steven 😃
I have a similar capra as well with about $1100 in it and it is an absolute dream on the rocks, but this ravine is actually quite impressive.
I love the Capra
Interesting test. I think that when comparing the two, you might only consider performance upgrades that you have made to the Capra, rather than including the appearance modifications when considering the price difference. Thanks for sharing!
Yeah I guess so.... still over $1000
hey Phil... way away from the RC thing, ya got blackberries there! pick about a 5 gallon bucket worth to juice them through woman's knee high stockings (picking happens fast if you tell some children you'll bake them a couple pies btw). put the juice in a 2 gallon jug with some yeast and a small pile of sugar on the floor of the jug, a cork with a hole to put a bubbler into or make yourself a bubbler with some aquarium tubing also works (a "crazy straw" is good too, just keep water in the lower halves of the loops). keep in a dark warm place, check if it needs water in the bubbler, or a little sugar added, about once a week. if you do it now you'll have some great blackberry "champagne" (it'll self carbonate) that'll be 10-12% alcohol for Christmas / New Years season. its really good special stuff!
for the pies, use about 1/2 whole berries and 1/2 juiced berry meat, they're getting boiled with some sugar, corn starch or gelatin anyway, pie crust is easy to make costs about nothing too. they look great with a lattice on top is also an "easy nothing".
the Ravine same as Redcat/Danchee RidgeRock, its lowlier little brother is the 40 dollar "Trail Hunter". with the Trail Hunter, peel the front tires there's just enough room between the tire beads for 4 turns of 2 mm solder (just did it). not bothering with the rears because a little up front is probably enough to help steering+traction climbing. I know too much weight will bog the little axle motors.. 4 turns is about 20" worth, times two is a substantial bit of weight added up front really. same act to the Ravine might help it a bunch, cheap+easy, easy to undo if it hurts more than helps. start with a spot of CA, last wrap press the steps tight with flat screwdriver, wrap electric tape stretched (cut 1/2 width) 2 layers, end with spot of CA to lock the tape keeping the solder compressed to the rim. put the tires back on.. easy 5 minute job.
Nice recipe dude lol... There are hundreds of blackberry bushes at this place.... enough Alcohol for everyone at Christmas!
@@TomleyRC you'll be amazed how tasty the stuff is, for literal pennies!
Great fun mate! And, be honest, the Capra definitely has better ground clearance with those drop axles, (or whatever they're called), but isn't ten times better that the good ol' Ravine. Maybe 25% to 30% better. But with better tires, the Ravine comes much closer. Hmm, ok, I have modded my Ravine a bit, with approx 10mm more wheelbase and angled ally link bars, made by me. A friend at work has a Gmade R1, which is 3 times the Ravine price, but with pretty high spec. Though I haven't seen it in action yet.
Your driving skills seemed to "slip a bit" when it came time to drive the Everest 10. Looked (to me anyway) like a clear win for the Everest 10 . Hats off to Redcat Racing for producing a proper crawler for such an affordable price.
Sweet video, mate, a very entertaining watch - much less in it than I expected. That Ravine looks like the bargain of the century! :))
I have a trx4 defender and a redcat Everest 10 and after a few free mods and $45 later it out performs the trx4 defender in anything.
Danchee makes them, they crawl NICE... a pain to work on if similar to Redcat/Danchee "Trail Hunter". gears and pins and ball sockets galore to try to keep in place as you close it back up!
@@emiliorosa6402 Boy, now I'm sorely tempted! :)
Yes, for the money! Crazy!
A grand, I can't really justify that amount of money, but a ton with a few hop ups is more my budget. Interesting.
Yeah, I got a bit carried away haha
No you didn’t Phil, that’s just the hobby brother. My Vitavon axles cost more than my SCX10 III kit cost. So I paid more for my axles then the vehicle cost which I’m about to do it again but this time I doing Vanquish axles for the 10.3
Put 2.2's on the Capra...it's incredible.
Not for nothing but the cheap crawler here in the states is called the Danchee Ridge Rock its from Redcat Racing and its unstoppable but its Achille's heel is its front suspension I wrecked two of em running on pillows for crying out loud and on one the ESC kept conking out so though it articulates like a Cobra and can climb like a monkey the front is as fragile as an egg. I ended up with Redcat's Everest 10 doesn't have rear articulation but its built like a tank and so far can do pretty much whatever the RR can do just not as pretty too watch. Over a thousand bux for an RC that, well not for nothing didn't seem like it was worth it to me but I'm a cheapskate so there it is, cheers Tomley.
I love rc channels. Im so glad i found this
Ravine is insane after some mods. Esc upgrade. louise cr rowdy tires and and wheel weights.👌
Didn't expect that. Still love my Wraith Spawn.
Been looking at the ravine for a few weeks now this video this video just made be order one
I've only just noticed that the Axial has wheel/axle weights. LoL! My Ravine does now. I took the tires off and wrapped 100g of plumber's solder around each wheel well, then wrapped that with electrical tape. And a few weeks later, I 3D printed some thin "sleeves" that were then glued to the back of the wheel centre and extend a little bit over the axle hub, then wrapped another 60g plumber's solder over that bit as well. Hehe, I realize that half of the weights are always above the axle centre, but what the heck!
Hmm, I guess I'll have to upload some images of what I've mentioned onto the MSUK forum
Very late to this vid. While I would not pay $1200 for a crawler, I also would not buy that cheap one. It kinda sucks, 'cause it seems to struggle with slow, technical crawling. There are crawler kits for around $300-$380 USD that will perform very close to that Axial and that's the route I am going. Helpful to see none the less and I love direct comparisons. TY
The brushless crawler systems are the best I have a mamba x crawler combo. I didnt care much for the v1 axe due to the limitation of the esc. Either way brushless is the way to go lol. I have a hand build caged crawler a trx4 bronco with the mamba x crawler a highly modded gen7 pro and a danchee and it out crawls all of them lol great video thanks
I´m very interested in the FTX Ravine now. Very capable but the tires do not seem very soft though, I didn´t see them squeezed even once in the video. Perhaps it needs more weight in the wheels? Did amazingly as stock though. But yeah that Capra is a superb rock crawler for sure! Very interesting and fun video mate, cheers!
yes, few minutes ago added 4 turns 2 mm solder to the front rims of my Redcat/Danchee "Trail Hunter". Redcat sells this Ravine as the "RidgeRock", "Trail Hunter" is its lowlier front steering only (with motor braking tho) 40 dollar unit. its about same size, can lift any wheel 5" off the floor with other 3 still down is pretty impressive flex
Yes, tyres are a limiting factor. I have a video coming soon with the Hyrax on the Ravine... so stay tuned :)
Both are cool,great crawling
Put good quality tyres on the ravine and rerun the test. The expensive one had an unfair advantage.
Put a set of good tires on the Ravine/Ridgerock and do this again and I would put money on the Ravine.
Well sometimes a cheaper thing makes me super happy especially the price tag! 🤣🤣
Thanks for sharing! I'm really impressed by the capability of the Ravine, it is a solid contender for it's price! This means that we don't have to spend alot of money to have some real fun! I understand that the Capra tops it but it also has more features to it that the Ravine does not have like it's weight, tires, brushless motor, locked rear wheels (digging function). I'm looking for a cheap crawler and the Ravine is certainly one I look forward to getting. What else would you suggest? (I don't mind the scale)
Ravine on posh tyres... Mmm might have to be my next big savings project
Hello beautiful car, I have a small channel and I have a little of everything today I bought this, I have seen some advice to remove the foam, plumb the front axle or plumb the wheels any help thanks and I have subscribed.
I have the danchee which is the same moa I believe....I have changed the servos to full metal high torque and hyrax tires with 1.9 beadlocks and it's a monster.....it hasn't seen a line that it can't take that has been taken.
As someone who has owned a few Redcat RS10s and currently owns a Danshee Ridgerock I have to say I love the Ravine.
Two motors on the ravine. So could create some kind of dig, maybe using esc for twin motor setups if mixing. Just an idea.
I always get amazed how some cheaper rcs perform just as good as the high end ones. My Capo JK was about $1500 without electronics (took forever of buying/selling rcs to get it). While it's a great kit, imo I had cheaper rcs that did perform better.
oooo... a Capo JK! Yes please!
@@TomleyRC 😄😄 yes it's def a great truck but a very complex one,lol.
4:30 LOL there you go! ;D
Interesting review, the ravine did well against the capra, but i think if we are honest the ravine may only last 12 months at least it would need a few new parts, i have the ECX Temper gen 2 as a second crawler and i do rather like it
Yes, you never know how long the cheap ones are going to last... but you never know!
Both cars are nice the expensive one got nicer axles but for the Price difference, I will prefer the cheap one
For the money the Ravine is very good
I think the ravine needs shock tuning tires, bang good alloys, cheap servos , 2s lipo, proper 1060 esc then better links like alloys and then maybe ceramic bearings and Full steel gears then perfect for budget crawler
Ceramic bearings in a budget crawler lmao 🤣 you had me till than sealed bearings all the above but than looking close to 200 instead 100
I do like your Capra bro it is a thing of beauty, I really carnt wait to see what you do to improve your Ravine, Get some pointers of you 😉 so glad you got a Ravine though 👍 really a fantastic comparison video, Ftx done well though 😀 great vid Phil 👍😎👍😁👍
Thanks Tony. The Capra is lovely..... but cost a fortune haha. The FTX was also a beast for £99!
I'm new to your channel I live the US Silverton Oregon on the west coast, for the price the Ravine is impressive with proper upgrades around $400 still only a $600 rig, your capra is a beast I have a Bomber with all vanquish links, rclions aluminum beadlocks, proline hyrax tires, Holmes Hobbies TMS 3300kv mamba x esc runs on Spectrum 3s 5000mhp it's a beast too great video I'm not a comp crawler either I just have lots of fun 😎👍
I reckon the bigger wheels and more suspension night helped the cheap one.
Of course lets compare a 1.9 shaft crawler to a 2.2 MOA. That is a fair comparison... Also there is durability to consider too.
Hello. I love the content. I would like to see a part 2. The content? Now modify the $120 one, compare the price point to the modifications and performance. At the end we can see which one has the bigger fun factor.
Yes, I will make some changes and go back for a second run
Thank you. I'm probably one of the fans that watch your content more than a couple of times. Lol
Great comparison. On a retired/fixed income, I bought the cheaper one ( REDCAT RACING DANCHEE ROCKRIDGE here in the States). Would like to see if you "tricked out" the cheap one and tested again. Where in the UK do you find accessories and aftermarket parts for the cheap one ? Thanks for the post.
Hi Ron. CML is the main supplier in the UK. They own the FTX Brand. www.cmldistribution.co.uk/results/?q_search=ravine
Since redcat released metal gears for the ridgerock/ravine. You should do a little bit of upgrades if you still have it, and do the challenge again.
When you buy these expensive crawlers it’s because you know how to drive your rc and want more out like when he couldn’t get through sum of those difficult passes with the ravine and the Capra did. That’s what you’re paying a thousand for
Good and fair test! Proline hyrax is great tire, also portal axles are simply superior.
Yes, Tyres can make or brake a Crawler!
ProLines vs stock tires... I wouldn't exactly call that fair. Not trying to be negative, but that is a big gap there.
Great video Bro!! I agree! Thanks for share!
Thanks dude
You don’t have to use 4 wheel steer all the time
About how far is the range from the remote control, for each?
1200??? JESUS CHRIST! I DONT WANNA DONATE A TESTICLE FOR A RC
Sometimes the sacrifice is worth it 😅
@@TomleyRC that costs more than a traxxas x maxx
Ayy no testicle jokes on CZcams, testicle jokes are mainly for top gear
For $1200 the donation does not include the "painless yank" option.
@@TomleyRC why yes,yes it is 😄. Sometimes you just gotta do it to have fun,lol
I would love 1 of these crawlers if I had a place like that to take it to.
Great video mate. What would be a good comparison is the ravine with the Capra tyres?
That's super fast for crawling... I drive my crawler 5-10 times slower than that. It has a 50T brushed motor and I use air filled tires, to be able to be soft as possible. I recommend those both for awesome crawling experience, it grips like crazy and You can drive it ridicilously slow. It wil climb almost anything, with no "wheel speed" whatsoever needed.
im surprised for the cost, i reckon makes some custom metal parts, try and find a way to give it a dig function and give it some high end tyres and it would competitive, i think beyond that, give it some heavier servos it would even be a winner, things like shocks and motors seem to be an after thought with improvements, though i would like the see some metal parts for it, tho thats just me
Put sticky tires on the cheap one and it beats the high dollar one
Well i was thinking about getting in to crawling until this video, $1200 and struggled with that first rock and the $120 didn't even breath hard lol.
Tires are taller and the center ground clearance is higher which makes a tall vertical ledge easier to climb over. Bothe those cars are built with different crawling styles in mind
In other words where one exceeds the other will struggle so on an so forth
Got a link to the ravine? Thanks
The ravine is a great rig, some of these prices are starting to get out of hand , the whole world is still struggling yet people are paying these rediculous prices , the performance margins are not as big as people think so why skint yourself out and put your family at risk, plenty of mid range rigs can compete with the silly money rigs, a few well chosen upgrades and your in the mix for a fraction of the cost
The hobbywing axe is a beautiful system I run it in my trx4 it’s sooo smooth.
Yes, agree.... beautiful
I'm a bit underwhelmed for the money though, the axe is lots more than a 1060 or 1080, and doesn't seem to be proportionally better. I have one, and for the £180 it cost, it isn't that much better than a good 550 brushed with a 1080. If I was on a budget, no way would I buy it again. Yes it's top shelf, but no, it's not worth the cash when you are it on the trails.
That capra is soooo nice
Agree!
1:54 ("I hope my wife is not watching this video") it's the same everywhere, my friend, like here in Argentina...
😅
The cheaper vehicle did better in some places because it's taller, That's why it went over the large Rock much easier but in other places where it's wider it was having a hard time going between rocks that were pinching it and keeping it from advancing.
I wonder what a tire upgrade would do for the $120 truck ?
did u try it with the tyres swapped over mr tomley?
nice vid again.good info
Better tyres & wheel weights the Ravine would seriously kick ass for the $. Awesome video 👍
Thanks Matt
it matches the Danchee Rodgerock.
brilliant comparison (if not driving! - sorry!!!). Ravine and £100 of tyres and tweaks seem like they'd match the Capra. The Capra is what we aspire to, the Ravine is easily punching over its weight. Seems to be 90% as good, for 10% of the money. Great advet for FTX, and I reluctantly say, not such a good review of the shiny stuff on the Capra. Great video though :-).
Can it be compared to the Danchee Ridgerock?
You can tell the clear difference in quality between the two. The ravine is a rickety old cheap sounding piece of crap. I’ve got about 12-1300$ into my axe edition gen8 and it’s a performer it’s all about where the money is placed.
The Ravine is very good for the money.. but it’s not compatible with some of the more scale stuff
Awsum vid bud. I have 2 ftx ravines for my boys. There unbeatable for the price. Did you know they also float? My son drove it In to a pond and it just motored over to the other side!
Alot of people want to know what upgrade options there are. The majority of people who buy them imo want to know if it works befor shelling out. Could you let us know what good upgrade options there are. 👍
I also hear axe body's fit on it too. :-)
I had this is the pool yes haha... goes really well in water actually!
The survo hasn't arrived yet after reporting it to banggood its the same as in the expensive crawler what do you recommend
They usually wait a certain amount of time then they will refund.
Ok
Run that on 3s and it comes to life I have the danchee version and it always amazes me
Awesome, I’ll give it a go 😎
The ravine has a bigger wheel size and way more flex then the average crawler they also tend 2 have a faulty ESC at least that's the problem I've had with it
Where's the link for the ravine?
I thought about buying the cheaper one but with 2 motors and 2 servos with non swappable parts I decided to get something else
NICE!
the ravine which is called the pirate swinger in switzerland has one problem: its a bit too light and thus gets stuck on little trees or thorns.
i wonder if its possible to upgrade to heavier rims and tyres, but that would probably kill the motors
EDIT: 300g per wheel is managable for the vehicle, no damage after quite a lot of use so far.
after over half of a year owing 3 of them so far my favorite tyres are from ali express the Austar Hobby Bully Comp tyre 2.2, extremely skinny so the low weight of the vehicle presses a bit better on the tires, also very soft tires in general. combine with rim weights on the front only and its scary how far it can go and how much more expensive vehicles it leaves behind.
I like the Capra ..It kind of has a front end like the new ryft
Why didn't u pick those blackberries😊
I would only spend very little money on a crawler because I don't know if I will like crawling.
Get an element enduro trailwalker and put some wranglers on good heavy 1.9 beadlocks and you have an absolute beast for very cheap.
Looks neat, kind of looks like that $99.00 redcat one they have out.
Yes, the chassis is shared across a few brands
@@TomleyRC yup RidgeRock is the same, little different color scheme.
Where can I get a ftx ravine
The suspension on your capra could use some attention.
i got the ridgerock and upgraded up the wazoo' and only cost me around 250 bucks.
have the ravine over capra anyday. could buy do lot more with price of capra
Hope u got some of those blackberries. Nothing like wild blackberries
Of course 😉
If you put Hyrax Predator compound tyres onto the Ravine as well,it may have coped better Phil.
Video of that coming soon 😎👍
Really impressed with the Ravine for the price. Have you review the 9125? Looking for a nice basher new to the hobby not looking to spend alot.
Ive not reviewed the 1/10 Xinlehong, but they do look good yes. There 1/16 ones are very good
@@TomleyRC thanks alot
geez, shocker the capra made it further. Do a comparison where both crawlers have the same tires. Then you would see the real differences in the build.