nonsense dude, don't listen to this clown to get an accurate view of Christianity, just read the bible yourself. The bible condones slavery end of story, the bible is gross and immoral. (there are many examples for all of these things but I'm too lazy to find all the verses) the bible is full of wack ass blood magic: Leviticus 1:5-9 poor sexist hygiene: Leviticus 15:16-28 anti-homosexuality: Leviticus 18:22 Super Jealousy: Leviticus 26:14-39 idk random magic test to test adultery, would be cool to do a test with this and systematically destroy the entire Jewish and Christian religion: Numbers 5:11- 31 The bible also claims the Egyptian gods exist strangely: Numbers 33:4 Murders non-virgin women: Deuteronomy 22:13-21 after attacking a city unprovoked Moses tells the Israelites to kill everyone except the virgin women: Numbers 31: 15-18 And there is a bunch of slavery condoning in the bible (not to mention sex slavery). You can start with Exodus 21 but just look it up on the interwebs... it's well documented.
@@clearlyclear400 Everything you claimed was absolutely wrong. First of all stating that you're too lazy to find all the verses tells me either you don't know what you're talking about, you're too lazy to actually research what you typed, which is apparent, or both. You claimed that the Bible is "gross and immoral" even though most of them don't fit that description anyway if they were true... Blood Magic: I can see by this comment that you don't know anything about the Old Testament because if you did maybe you would realize that sorcery of any kind is prohibited. What is mentioned is a sacrifice which was practiced by the Israelites to atone for sin, not "blood magic" which is strictly prohibited by the Old Testament Law. Poor sexist hygiene: I assume you meant sexual and not "sexist", so I will respond as though you said poor sexual hygiene. Both male and female had to bathe after an emission, so neither is it sexist or poor sexual hygiene. And if you are referring to a woman's period making her unclean that is not sexist, blood is not something that should be touched anyways... Anti-Homosexuality: Wow! You got one right. Yes, Judaism as well as Christianity prohibits same sex relationships because it defiles the covenant of marriage. It is not very hard to use common sense that two men and two women are not meant to have sex together. The anus is not a sexual organ. That should be enough reason to realize that homosexuality is not natural. Although it is condemned, homosexuality is only one among many sexually immoral practices. If you actually bother to read all of Leviticus instead of googling random verses you would realize how many things are considered sexually immoral. Super Jealousy: I am not sure how this qualifies as being "gross or immoral", but I'll still respond. God is a jealous God because He alone created all things. He is worthy of honor and praise, so when humans bow down to things He created instead of Him, He is jealous for a right reason. I would not expect you to revere God as an unbeliever, but when you realize God's perfection you'd understand why He ALONE is worthy of our praise. Bitter Drink: When you make an argument you probably should use the unsure language you did when you said "idk random magic test". Considering you said idk I automatically assume that you did not even care to research this topic which doesn't look good on you when making a bold accusation. This had nothing to do with the drink itself, God would protect the woman if she was pure, however if she was not, God would not allow her to bear children. Claiming other gods existed: Although the verse you provided didn't even say anything about other gods, Every Jew and Christian knows that the Bible mentions other gods. This is not because God (the only God, not one among many) says that the Egyptians worshipped other gods. This does not mean that they are real entities, however it displays how people believed that their idols were actual being which they were NOT. So no, there are no other gods. Kill non-virgins: No, it has to do with stoning an adulterer not a non-virgin if you would have read verse 21. Attack unprovoked city: I can see you didn't read the entire book. The Midianites hired someone to curse Israel which is why they killed all of the men. Slavery: you must not have watched the video. Slavery does not mean the same thing as is the African slave trade. Nothing about biblical slavery is immoral. I'll say no more on this subject because that's literally what this video is for. From now on, maybe instead of making large claims about something you know nothing about how about you actually read the Bible instead of googling random verses on the internet without understanding the historical context of the matter. It is honestly just embarrassing to you.
@@jacobtaylor5848 I have read every word from the Torah, which is where I've quoted from. Blood Magic: The point isn't really that some magical effect occurred (even though--especially as a scapegoat offering--magical effects would occur like purging your sins) but that people would sprinkle blood around 7 times or something and rub blood on their right toe and brow etc to please their god. And I don't know what you would consider Sorcery but many people in the bible had magical abilities: Samson, Elijah, Elisha, Moses and Aaron. Poor Sexist Hygiene: I meant Sexist Anti-Homosexuality: That's sad Super Jealousy: idk if you read the passage I cited but long story short, he said he would commit genocide if you stopped believing... so that's bad Egyptian Gods: "While the Egyptians were burying all their firstborn whom YHWH had fatally struck among them. YHWH had also executed judgments against their gods." I don't know what executing judgment is other than killing... which would imply that they were alive at some point. Murdering Non-Virgin Women: No... The verse begins describing a man and woman about to consummate their marriage, and when the man finds out that she isn't a virgin they stone her to death. It never mentioned adultery, but specifically mentioned prostitution for when she lived with her father. They also murder Adulterers which I guess is okay with you, but I'd disagree. Attacking a City Unprovoked: Um I didn't know the king of some land asking someone to curse other people (which balaam never did btw) is reason to genocide the kingdom, and keep all the virgin women as sex slaves which you conveniently decided to gloss over. If there is nothing immoral about the slavery in the bible then would you become my slave under biblical law? I think it's immoral to own anyone as property but that's just me.
What amazes me is that they bring up Christianity no matter who they're talking to. I'm an atheist and they try to bring it up in an attempt to deflect the flaws in their religion and make me defend my supposed Christianity. They have no foot to stand on once they realize I've got no skin in the game.
I see that few muslims found your channel and now they dislike every video. Is that really the best they have to offer? That won't make Islam the truth!
Let them boil in their own hatred. David Woods have a very good video explaining why one should treat them "bad". If you are soft, they'll step on you.
_"Is that really the best they have to offer?"_ Yes. A downvote is actually a better "argument" than the "arguments" in favor of Islam their apologists offer. :D
Enoch is a cool story, I do not believe it happened literally but I believe it doesn't have be true in order to be meaningful to the Biblical narrative. Macabees and Jubilee (among the other books of the deuterocanon) are not inspired and were added to the Torah by Greek converts and never considered canon by the Jews.
My dear brother, Thanks for your big help from the Exodus 21:21. One of the Muslim brother and sister ask me about Exodus, but I don't have the answer, because I am not a genius in the Holy Bible's understanding. But our living God (Yahweh/Jesus Christ) helps me through your video message. May the living God (Yahweh/Jesus Christ) bless you and your family forever and ever. Amen, Hallelujah 🙏✌️♥️
You're welcome Leviticus 25:44-46 44 *“‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.* 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, *and they will become your property.* 46 *You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.* i.e. *you can rule over others ruthlessly, but not your fellow Israelites.* *You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life* *Beating a slave is fine as long as the slave survives a day or two because they are property* Exodus 21:20-21 20 “And if someone strikes his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies at his hand, he shall be punished. 21 If, however, the slave survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for the slave is his property. *Jesus support beating slave if the slaves are not obey the master wants* Luke 12:47 “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. *What a loving God*
The Hebrew term we translate as "property" is actually a mistranslation. In the original Hebrew the term actually refers to "production output". This is why the ESV translation renders the verse as: But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.
The key to understanding the second part about the slave being a property is to compare it to verse 19 of the same chapter. In verse 19, the aggressor is expected to pay financial compensation for wages lost due to injuries he inflicted on the victim. In the case of a slave, the issue of wage loss does not apply because it is the master, who is responsible for the injury, that loses.The NIV translation supports this explanation. The translation says that the master should not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two.
The master should not be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two. How pathetic! Abusing slaves...absolutely pathetic. Criticizing Islam and Muhammad for slavery whilst thinking it is okay and downplaying the Bible's condoning of Slavery(and by implication JESUS condoning of SLAVERY) is HYPOCRISY of unimaginable proportions!
@@bjccook1352 The Majority Text differs from the Textus Receptus in almost 2,000 places. So the agreement is better than 99 percent. But the Majority Text differs from the modern critical text in only about 6,500 places. In other words the two texts agree almost 98 percent of the time.
@@shahiedbarnes8350 The master's punishment is implied in the text. This passage never condoned abusing slaves that is why it was listed here as a wrong doing. Another thing obvious in this passage is that the life of a slave in this context is worth the same as that of the master. Jesus washed the feet of his disciples. In those days, that task was reserved for the lowest of slaves. He was sold for 30 pieces of silver by someone whose feet he washed. 30 pieces of silver was the going rate for slaves at that time. Jesus was essentially a slave during his last moments in this world. Make of that what you will.
Nice analysis! I also like exodus 21:22-25, the unborn baby is to be protected. And Exodus 21:14: And if any one lie in wait for his neighbour to slay him by craft, and he go for refuge, thou shalt take him from My altar to put him to death. -- no religious protection for deceitful, lying murderers
The funny thing is a lot of people use their verses to try to justify abortion, or to try to say the Bible is pro-choice, but in reality if you actually read it in context it’s actually the complete opposite the verse of values the unborn baby.
As someone who’s learning more and more about Islam I watch videos that would question my faith so Ik for certainty, but this video was actually filled with falsehood sunan an-nasa' i 3411 (the first verse he talked about) as I did some research that verse does not exist matter of fact I only could find that verse from an Islamophobic website. And it seems you have copied them/ got ur information from them!
God never places his stamp of approval on slavery. It’s a human creation, not divine. There’s a difference between something being in the Bible and something being approved by God. Your comment is simplistic.
@@IslamCritiqued you made it loud and clear referring about God saying it's ok for slavery that's why I said what I said or else I wouldn't have said it
Apparently all you’re capable of doing is misrepresenting what I said. Point me to the time stamp in the video where I say that God approves of slavery.
@@IslamCritiqued Not necessary. You never pointed out a time God specifically said "no slavery, don't do slavery, don't own another human as a slave/servant." Which insinuates god of tue bible was...and is still okay with slavery.
When you’re reading the Bible you need to understand it is written by people just like us that believe and know that there is a god these are the types of things that were normal god didn’t guide some guys hand. when you get farther in your faith you will understand don’t stop now we are just like these people that used to live 2000 years ago that’s why we can relate and interpret the Bible still to this day god loves you he’s not a book but the Bible I’m not discrediting the Bible I’m just saying god didn’t directly write it I believe god is within us we are all connected through him
OK if we are not sure that slave is died becuse of his master , so we should not punish master to death , but when master is beating slave male or FEMALE and we are sure about that we should not punish master .And even if master mistreat his slave by distroying his or her body parts , according to this vedio the slave should only go free but the main point is that there is no punishment on master at the end. bible is clear if someone distroys someone's eye or thooth his thooth or eye should be destroyed but when it comes for slaves master have set slave free and no punishment for master .
So what you're saying is both the Christian and Muslim Gods permitted slavery, are such gods worth worshiping? Why God/god didn't instruct man not to enslave their fellow men? Exodus 21 is man's attempt to regulate slavery it may have been revolutionary for it's time, but mankind has advanced morally in 2020.
@@IslamCritiqued if God/god instructed man on the eating of shellfish and clothing, something as important as the enslavement of man was too much to ask this good merciful God ? Am I more merciful than your God?
Look at the world the bible describes, almost hopelessly at odds with his plans. There's the option of widespread judgement for corruption (Gen 6-8), or God accommodating sin because of the stubbornness of people (Mark 10:5), whom he will eventually require to give an account (Hebrews 4:13). My guess is you have some things in your life God doesn't approve of. How would you prefer he deal with you?
"Thou shall not enslave a human being." Can't say that. Much of the slavery in those days was in the form of what we would call a contracted worker. It's only problematic if you assume that "slavery" means slavery in the modern sense. It was a critical aspect of their economy and slaves were often part of the family. Sounds like you have zero knowledge of the ancient near east, but want to impose your modern concerns on the ancient cultures anyway.
Such a commandment was likely impossible in an ancient near eastern context, where various forms of slavery were needed for economic, social, and military purposes. A commandment that rendered a nation unviable would be bizarre.
@@IslamCritiqued I have to disagree. As much as I very much enjoy your content I cannot lower my morals to endorse or condone the owning of people as property. An all-knowing deity would know this is wrong and advise accordingly. I cannot however blame god, it is obviously written without its consent. Keep up the good work, have a good day
You can't argue that Exodus 21 endorses the practice either, rather than regulates it. There's no reason to think that the text represents the supreme ethic, rather than an accommodated one. God's ultimate plan is represented clearly in other texts.
Ye but it is written in the Bible which I totally understand you must contain what is written, however people think that the Bible allows this sort of behaviour... that's the part that frustrates me....
Major problem with Muslims: everything is whitewashed in the Quran. All of the major characters are pristine...etc. It's all divinely approved. When Muslims read the Bible, they assume the same: if the Bible says it, it's divinely endorsed.
@@IslamCritiqued they argue that the Qur'an is unchanged, when Jesus died on the cross for us alot of things changed unclean meats were no longer a sin to eat like pork. The sacrifice of Jesus took alot of the old laws away, sacrificial lambs was another one.
'Implying a death penalty for the master (Sanhedrin 52b; Rashi)."--Living Torah he shall surely be avenged: [with] death by the sword [decapitation], and so does the Torah say: “a sword avenging the vengeance of the covenant” (Lev. 26:25). -[From Mechilta, Sanh. 52b]--Rashi In just the Torah, the root elsewhere is always translated some version of avenged in the KJV
I have followed your videos for quite some time now watching every minute of the videos but the rationale you give in this one just doesn't count...and I being very civil with my choice of words
@@IslamCritiqued I have been trying to study Islam for an year now and I would not make excuses for anything their book or hadiths say but my presumption is that the Torah was written by people via inspiration from God, so saying they didn't have means to prove cause of death to a slave should not count, he is all knowing I presume n should thus be less ambiguous
The argument I'm making (as I recall, it's been awhile) is that the death penalty is required for killing slaves. This is obscured in the English, which provides an apparent opportunity for criticism. I have no idea what your comment about "all knowing" is related to. These cases were decided by human judges, who were not all knowing. Exodus 21-23, rather than simply listing laws, is providing examples of how the 10 commandments could be implemented. These were guidelines judges would use in adjudicating cases brought before them.
@@IslamCritiqued Why didn't God make a ritual to determine innocence or guilt? or why not just make a magic chant to divine the culprit? God's done it before.
@@clearlyclear400 Think about that in practice. Every time someone did something wrong they'd have to travel to Jerusalem and visit the High Priest, who'd have to perform a ritual, and God would have to judge. And if the Jews were rebelling against God by serving other gods, which Israel/Judah often did, then it may be the case that God would shield himself from them and those rituals would not work. I don't think this case is that complicated, if the slave dies within a few days, then we say the killer should have realized he was too harsh and could have killed him. If he lives longer then that, then the slave owner didn't likely intend to kill him. Is it perfect justice? No. But neither is anything during Satan's reign (Luke 4: 5-8). God is making lemonade with the lemons his creation gave him by rebelling against him in the first place and acting like a bunch of baboons.
@@IslamCritiqued my point still stands, you couldn't defend the disgustingly unholy bible in where it says that if the slave survives a day or two you won't be punished.
@@IslamCritiqued Not meaningless at all considering the title of the video. It mislead me into thinking you were gonna defend the bible against the critiques. Although it was a bit humorous that you attributed using this verse to Muslims when in my experience I have seen a lot more atheists use it. I tend to see Muslims use the verse where the bible orders you to attack amalek and destroy all that they have.
Why doesn’t God simply say- “Thou shall not own another human being as property”? If he can ask us not to wear mixed fabrics, surely he can say slavery is wrong.!!!
Not all slavery was wrong in the ancient near east. Some was necessary, and we even have many equivalent forms of it today, by other names. I think God's response to you would be, "Thou shalt not read the modern definition of slavery back into ancient history." At least, that is my reply to you.
Teresa Amanfu because slavery used to have a different meaning! Modern days slavery is not the same as slavery a looooooooong time ago. Back then a slave was a laborer who worked to pay off his debts.
Liz Busta Exodus: 21 20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.”
@7:10 Sarna says "This law, the protection of slaves from maltreatment by their masters, is found no where else in the entire corpus of ancient near-eastern legislation."
The wisdom is in the creation account, where the divine design is given. Legal codes like this arise because that divine plan was rejected. These laws aren’t ideal, and aren’t even claimed to be.
@@IslamCritiqued "These laws aren’t ideal". You critiqued your own God dude. Another non sense Christians. *Jesus support beating slave if the slaves are not obey the master wants* Luke 12:47 “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.
It was narrated from Anas, that the Messenger of Allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse, but 'Aishah and Hafsah would not leave him alone until he said that she was forbidden for him. Then Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed: "O Prophet! Why do you forbid (for yourself) that which Allah has allowed to you.' until the end of the Verse. Grade: Sahih (Darussalam)
I've dealt with this passage with atheists. "The Bible says you can beat your slave within an inch of their life, and so long as they get up and walk after a few days, you don't have any repercussions" they would say. "Actually, the word for punished "Naqem" means capitol punishment, not just regular punishment" I would reply. "Besides the fact, look at how the surrounding passages phrase it. One man hurts another and he must take care of him until he is well, paying him his daily wages to make up for lost work (18-19). In the same way, the slave owner has already paid of his slave's debts, and so it is his own lost laborer for a few days for a debt already paid for. This passage is equating a freed man and a slave man as having equal rights, not only a freed and enslaved, but also a male and a female as having equal rights. Not only that, but the next verses then talk about a pregnant woman who's child gets hurt (22-25), giving even the unborn the same rights as the already born. Treating all people as equal: freed or slaved, male or female, born and unborn." "Well, it's still calling the slave the other person's property, and that's just immoral." "We call a football player the property of an NFL team, is that immoral?"
Nope, you took the general text and applied it to something extremely specific which is a basic tenet behind basic logic. “He shall be your property” is pretty clear about what it means.
One “man” hurt another slaves are not considered people, at no other point in the Bible was a slave ever referred to as a “man” they are property. Please show me a passage where slaves are referred to as “men” or “man”
@@leocriss6354 The Hebrew term we translate as "property" is actually a mistranslation. In the original Hebrew the term actually refers to "production output". This is why the ESV translation renders the verse as: But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.
Majority of people call NFL players "agents". You've presented a false equivalency. And it's not only atheists who will be the ones who challenge you on this, Christian.
Trajectory hermeneutics can be used to explain why men marrying female slaves (right hand possesses) was condoned by the Quran considering the context of the culture in which islam was revealed. Sexual relations were considered by 7th century Arabs as natural, casual, ubiquitous, non-taboo and their understandings of intercourse were even ahead of modern liberal standards of the western world. The mindset surrounding slaves and sex was not separate nor taboo, though the concept of free will, work ethics, labour and social construct of ownership has changed drastically and will continue to change. islam did not prohibit slavery as it would not have been achieved by a culture that normalised it and the general collective consciousness of the societies would not have embraced it. Instead, islam encouraged emancipation (quran 24:33, 2:177, 90:13, 4:92, 58:3) and treating ‘what the right hand possesses’ with fairness and prescribes gifting them with compensation (quran 4:24, 4:25, 4:36, 24:33) until the time would come that social perception will change. in attempt to not alienate the first recipients of islam (the companions) whom were integral to the survival and spread of islam and prevent it from forever becoming forgotten, the Quran did not outright ban slavery as this would have been detrimental to their survival instead, the quran depended on the evolution of humanity where it will actualise their potential to be able to forbid this, ultimately making slavery haram. thus islam set a trajectory by placing parameters on their practices rather than lose focus of the actual mission of spreading the message of the oneness of allah by paying attention to establishing social changes (irrelevant-this wasn’t the prophet’s mission, this was gonna happen eventually after his death anyway), knowing these social changes will occur with time, deeming this culture (slavery, among other things that are allowed but not encouraged) will become forbidden and un-islamic once it dies out,
That theory is hilarious, given the Quranic conception of paradise treats women exactly the same as the Quran in the culture in which it was revealed. It seems Allah failed to progress. "islam set a trajectory by placing parameters on their practices" curiously, that trajectory included sexual intercourse with one's s*l*a*v*e*s as well as one's multiple wives. Allah and Muhammad- always looking out for the men.
Islam Critiqued that theory is key, it is the basis under which certain verses can become abrogated. when studying islam it's key to understand that sharia was built in a way to allow flexibility and is malleable. for example, a pre-islamic common practice among quraish was to sacrifice 100 camels in place of a son as compensation for murder of an innocent life, islam came along and accepted this 100 camel sacrifice, it's not to say that the prophet didn't understand that there were places outside saudi deserts where camels didn't exist, i'm talking sweeden, china, Australia, lmao how can you sit and say that islamic laws are divine revelation as opposed to only put in place to address certain issues that a particular society is facing? how can you apply these laws to the rest of the world? there is a distinction between divine revelation and the relevance of the rulings of it's content. similarly, verse 8:60 COMMANDS preparing horses as military defense, is that to say that not using horses in our modern days in the miitary is un-islamic? no! because the majority of muslims aren't i*s*i*s, we don't read the quran too literally and we understand that certain verses were only revealed to address issues that a certain group of people was facing, deeming relevant only for them. in line with this arguement, slavery was condoned because it was relevant to that day and age, not because slavery was intended. sex with slaves was a n.o.r.m.a.l thing once upon a time, there was once a time not even that long ago where you can go to the shop and buy a human being just like how you can buy an apple, it was normalised not just in Mecca of the 7th century but all around the globe and for long millennials up until very recently, who knows if 1000 years from now people are gonna look back and vilify us for having a government or paying taxes or treating cancer with chemotherapy and radiation and burning fossil fuels, it wasn’t Mohammads job to change their social norms with the limited time and resources he had, he was tortured enough as it was for introducing all these new religious ideas and discouraging certain practices so he left a lot of things up to the future generations to change, a Hadith talks about how the entry of an agricultural tool into ones home brings nothing but evil, does this mean Mohammad banned agriculture? No! But he put the safety of his people with a hunter-gather, warrior, tribe-dependent lifestyle’s safety first and recognised what doesn’t go with their lifestyle that would put them in danger if they were to practice it. Mohammad also said “soon Allah will open for u the kingdoms, and changes in Muslim generations will come, and with that many changes” I’m not defending slavery, I’m just trying to put my shoes in a world that normalised it-and so did the Quran. Also, sex in heaven is made lawful (halal) just as sex between a husband and wife is made lawful so there’s nothing wrong with striving to earn it, and to enjoy it without guilt. People will either complain that the Quran offers too much sexual freedom in the cases where it’s made lawful (wife, heaven, right hand possesses) or complain that it deprives people of a natural human necessity when it’s made unlawful (extra-/pre-marital), and women are either ‘oppressed’ for being told to cover up or they’re ‘objectified’ when they’re given sexual liberties, so the Quran can never truly win unless you want it to. and one more thing, 'right hand possess' doesn't just talk about slaves, it can mean children and orphans and inanimate objects under your responsibility so be weary of this in different verses.
Western slavery and African slavery are two completely different things African slaves live with the family but are free to come and go…….they do work for the family but this is a lot of times in exchange for food and shelter and I’m sure I don’t need to explain the difference between western slavery
I wonder if exodus 21:20-21 are mistakes that the writer made. I don't believe it's moral to beat a female servant and then call them property. It also talks about in psalms about the male servant looks to his master and the female servant looks to her mistress. So if it were really true, at least a male servant would serve a man and a female servant a woman. Now that would seem moral, but a man and a woman? No. Psalm 123:2 Behold, as the eyes of servants look to the hand of their masters, As the eyes of a maid to the hand of her mistress, So our eyes look to the Lord our God, Until He has mercy on us. it could have been a man who was drunk or was angry.
"THE EVIL MISSION OF THE EVIL TYPE OF GOD, AND HIS PROPHET, BUT CAMOUFLAGED WITH THOUSANDS OF OTHER VERSES , AND IT HAS ALSO BEEN CONSISTENTLY DONE BY ISIS, OTTOMAN AND BOKO HARAM' !?
Previously even jews also into slavery. It wasn't talking about black or africa. Only in quran it says clearly BLACK SLAVE and they are value cheaper than other slave. As in 2 black for 1 non black. Half value reduces if you're black in mohd rules. Quran is preserved so read it.
@@IslamCritiqued Your a prime example of the illness caused by religion. Your God of the Bible has no moral values and your denial to answer the question shows how corrupt you have become. I actually feel sorry for you. Bye.
This is outstanding. God is ok with humans owning other humans. So long as they don't die within two days of their beatings. What a moral God to believe in.
Beloved Brother in Christ. Please Study about The Preservation of the Bible, for the Textus Receptus is the Received Text - and all thos "New" Bible PER-Versions have a Corrupted Text (Westcort & Hort, textus Vaticanus) The Bible always speaks about Servants, not Slaves, and i BELIEVE THAT THE KING JAMES BIBLE IS THE INFALLIBLE, PRESERVED WORD OF GOD, for God Promised >> Psalm 12:6 (KJV) The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. ! SERVANTS >> Exodus 21:20-21 (KJV) And if a man smite >> his servant,
You’ve been accused of going too far in depth? No that is what we come here for! Don’t lower your content to please ignorant people. If they don’t understand it than they can watch it again.
I was laughing when you said Bukhari made sure readers would know that Muhammad owned Black Slaves by mentioning it repeatedly. I love it when youre sarcastic in a funny way. ;))))
Would you be my slave under Exodus 21:20-27 ? Why is it moral for God to own other people as property? Why does God specify from witch countries you could buy your slaves? Do you think for yourself it's moral to own other people as property and even give them to your children after your death? Btw , I'm not a Muslim but an atheist. I wish you a very nice day with friendly regards.
It was a reality of the ancient near East. People shouldn't assume that what's described in various cultures throughout biblical history lives up to God's standards.
Genuine question, why didn’t God simply ban slavery? We know how harmful it is, even if it was normal at that time. Also do Christian texts ever talk about having sex with female slaves? If so, did God ever ban sexual slavery in Christianity? I am doing some research and would like to be pointed to some credible sources if you don’t mind. All the best :)
He gave him a simple test of obedience. And he disobeyed because "she made me do it." The Law of Moses was for the ancient nation of Israel. God knew it was not a "law for all time" like the Muslim idea of Mohammed's law. The Law of Moses was part of God's covenant with Israel which was a conditional covenant. When Israel broke the covenant God eventually ended it and then made the New Covenant. The New Covenant is not with a fleshly nation but a spiritual nation, and likewise we have a greater Law, the Law of the Christ. While the Mosaic Law was a set of rules, the Law of Love is based on principles. "Do not you people owe anybody anything except to love one another; for the one who loves others has fulfilled the law. For the law code, 'You must not commit adultery, You must not murder, You must not steal, You must not covet,' and whatever other commandment there is, is summed up in this word, namely, 'You must love your neighbor as yourself.' Love does not work evil to one's neighbor; therefore, love is the law's fulfillment." - Romans 13: 8-10, The Bible. That the Law of Moses was imperfect was explained by Jesus when he said that Moses made an exception for their hard-heartedness of divorcing their wives, but that that was not what God intended (Matthew 19: 7-9). Likewise, the rest of the Law was created to help them live more godly lives, but God knew they would reject it if God expected too much of them. As it was they often left the Law to follow the God's of the nations. Back then the air was more saturated with the law of the jungle. Take the Assyrians for example, who skinned captives alive, hunted humans for sport, and kept human heads as trophies.
@@psychicmiles3626That is the same type of non-rational thinking that leads people to say "Queers for Palestine." Congratulations on being fooled into thinking good is bad and bad is good. Here's your prize 🎈a shiney red ballon.
Mmm Muslims are our Abrahamic brothers. One needs not to condemn. It is Love that will turn others to love. Please stop condemning islam. It isn’t a war between Christians and Muslims.
You should buy your “SLAVES” from the “HEATHEN” around you seems pretty clear. I know we like to use the general text to disprove the specific but that’s not how logic works. I notice you also skipped over the list of rules for non Hebrew slaves, odd.
You are totally right to discuss issues on Islam. But it would be a lot more honest if you would apply the same standards on the Christianity / Judaism. Exodus is about slavery and how to keep and punish and free slaves. If this the moral code of a creator who could create trillions of galaxies his moral code is just as bad. He is or totally crooked or stupid or just does not care and on a lot of issues even worse than his Islamic colleague. Your detailed discussion on translations does not make it right.
This video was on a very specific topic. Also, get educated before you talk to me about any Biblically related issue. Start here: czcams.com/video/jLmZFN0ToNg/video.html.
Hypocrisy sandwich anyone? Only people that believe in magic can sit there with a straight face and criticize another fairytale for slavery when his fairytale does the same thing. It has never been ok to own a human being. Full stop. Grow up. Think for yourself.
@@IslamCritiqued he knew it would be taken this way, and still decided to convey it through books knowing they would be used for centuries to justify the worst of the worst slavery, let alone slavery in general. He could have beamed all of this information into our heads or some other method that would be totally incomprehensible to me.
I have a message that I’m sharing where I can, some may not want to hear this, but I ask that we stay polite and seek truth together. 😊 ..... Love is an action. Feed the hungry, house the homeless, father the orphan, and protect the defenseless and vulnerable. Read the Word for yourself, not only relying on others for guidance. Pray for guidance.Yahushua/Yeshua - His Hebrew name who is usually called (Jesus) taught to keep the whole Word. Including the Law/Torah. Matthew 5:17 “Do not presume that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not [g]the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished! 19 Therefore, whoever nullifies one of the least of these commandments, and teaches [h]others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever [i]keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Read 1 John. John tells us that sin is lawlessness, and that we must keep the commandments. Trust in the atonement of Yahushua/Yeshua who is usually called Jesus, and keep God (YHWH)'s whole Word/commandments. Revelation 12:17 So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. Revelation 14:12 Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. Go to parableofthevineyard youtube channel for information about the bible and good bible studies. I'm in no way paid or sent by him for advertising. I just have learned a lot from his content. He's just a man who is trying to learn as well. :) Yeshua died so we may be resurrected to eternal life....
but muslims refute it.. that slavery wasn't prohibited in the bible.. that's why christians should not criticize them.. and not only exodus they quote verses from deutronomy as well..
I didn't say it was prohibited. It was allowed as part of the reality of a fallen system. It's not God's ideal. But it does NOT have God's stamp of approval. The Torah doesn't describe God's ideal culture.
Seems ridiculous to say sweeping statements about Muslims. They "can't defend their own religion". I don't see any religion that has adequately defended itself, especially in the question of "is there adequate evidence to conclude that the god of my holy book, or any god for that matter, exists?" If you have I would love to see it. I actively seek this stuff out because lots of people seem to believe it and if there actually is sufficient I want to hear it. if all you have though is the same things that have been said for centuries, don't bother because I have already heard them and don't find them convincing unless you have some new evidence or spin on them. but I see all religions having people who make efforts at these things. You made multiple sweeping statements about Muslims that are pretty gross in my opinion. Most of these things you're saying about the Quran, I would say about the Old and New Testament. I would also say similar things about the Quran obviously. God knew the way this would be translated. He knew that that translation of his word would be used for centuries to defend the practice of slavery and continue it. He could have worded it in another way that could not be easily translated to mean that beating your slave is acceptable. Regardless, slavery itself is despicable. Let's say you completely fix the problems with beating slaves. Having them at all is a problem and this is explicitly condoned multiple times and never to my knowledge prohibited, at least through my readings. You will likely say it was regulated, never condoned. But is a regulation of some forms of one thing (esp when they know this will be taken as moral truth) not condoning the other forms of this thing? We regulate alcohol sales for example. Alcohol cannot be sold to people under 21. this is tacitly condoning sales of alcohol to those 21 and up. plenty of things are outright prohibited here that would change human society. It could, and should have happened here. It also says for slaves to obey even harsh masters. So it's not just bad suggestions/rules for masters. "The slave is let go if abused" how about all slaves be let go because slavery is disgusting? That's a terrible regulation. Why is god basing his laws around what humans believe at the time when he clearly made laws about lots of other things that humans still accepted? You talk about how they didn't have the same technology, culture, etc that we have today. This is basically the context argument. The context makes it okay. But it definitely does not because having the slaves at all is wrong in any context. Slavery is just flat out bad in all contexts. It violates fundamental human rights that ought to be respected. I do appreciate that you're at least trying to defend the things you believe in some way, but I definitely don't think you've hit the mark. I wouldn't say it's your fault. The material is the issue. But you should definitely humble yourself and stop acting like there are no people in your opposition doing what you're doing for your holy book. Comes off very smug and dismissive.
"The context makes it okay." The heart of your misconception. Passage like this are never given as part of the divine design. They don't have God's stamp of approval. They're laws given in the context of a fallen culture. The goal is to move redemptively from that. Jesus spoke many years ago about laws given because of the hardness of hearts. Concession, not design. You have to look deeper for the latter.
On sweeping statements . . . you should be more familiar with the state of Muslim apologetics. You would likely strongly agree. It's a cesspool of lies and lame arguments.
@@IslamCritiqued Yeah true, Muslim Apologetics is really sad, unfortunately their Muslim followers eat it up without doing actual real research. For instance trying to force their prophet into the Bible, it is one of if not, the saddest attempt in Muslim Apologetics I have ever seen.
I think God should have make it so simple...Thou shalt not have another human being as property.... what about that? Because you are white it's should be easy for you to talk about slavery...
The Bible is not a divine rule book. That's a problem with the premise of your objection. Ex 21-23 provide some examples of how to implement the commandments in Ex 20. This is a fundamental misunderstanding. Additionally, God never places his stamp of approval on the ancient near eastern culture. The "culture" God approves us is the pre-fall Eden, and Eden restored, Revelation 21-22. As for your stupid racist smear, one more and I'll ban you.
I'm speechless, disgusted and utterly disappointed. I'm an ex-muslim and this malicious video make me want to defend Islam somehow. I really enjoy watching your in depth critique of Islam and your frustration with their tactics as disregarding Sahih hadith that they don't like make me furious. Now I see you doing same as muslims do. It's "mistranslated" let me give some "context" for this disgusting hadith. ... Here is example of same mental gymnastic that u using in this video: Like in this "stoning to death hadith" it's actually intended to make old stoning to death practise almost "impossible" cause here is "4 witness that should directly see the penetration" or here is hadith when Muhammad send a woman who confess in adultery back 3 times in order to avoid stoning e.t.c So u can see how Muhammad is nobel and merciful for time given. Or here is the hadith when Muhammad peace be upon him cry over insect death, don't you see that clearly Allah mercy is graved in his Heart. And you know perfectly what they mean by "Allahs Mercy" when stoning to death become perceived as an act full of mercy. ... I don't know what i want to achieve with this comment. Just frustrated to see hypocrisy. To see your critical mind fall completely when it comes to Christianity.
And your critical mind felt the need to defend the indefensible Islam... So sad. And that's coming from an atheist. I agree with the video being rubbis because slavery is always wrong. But you could've simply focused on how it's wrong instead of defending Islam.
so you take Koran and Hadith at face value and you add your interpretations to it .. but for the Bible verses "let s listen to what Naham Sarna says on this verse" I think that line is enough see you in next videos
Wrong again- hey, at least you're consistent. I refer hundreds of times in my videos to various Tafsir and other sources as well. Typical Muslim- my explanation solves the problem...so that means you're going to ignore it because you want to continue to criticize the Bible.
oh really ?? let s take one example the hadith about trading two black slaves for one slave show me where did you mention the tafseer or explanation of this Hadith
Muslim Debater you believe in a small incomplete book full of lies and no fulfilled prophecies in 1400 years and counting, you guys said the Torah is part of your scripture,
Muslim here. I came here to learn Christian’s view on this topic because all the Muslims who point this out are obviously bias. Noticed 2 things: 1. This gentleman came off very cocky and condescending towards Muslims (not very Christ like). I understand Muslim debaters may do the same, but that’s not what we’re suppose to do. Would be nice to see someone not dropping down to others level. 2. The explanation albeit was still lengthy and difficult to follow, I understand the general gist of it after watching a few times. But I concluded it is almost the exact same response muslims give for all the verses non muslims point out (“kill all who oppose” “slaves” “men can have 4 wives”). Lol y’all don’t realize we’re the same. If Islam and Christianity were so “logical” and had evidence that could not be refuted… well everyone would either be Christian or Muslim. I believe that we should be presented with the evidence and then let God guide us to the right path. For me, it was Islam, for others may be Christianity. No point in getting butt hurt about it
@@IslamCritiqued You critiqued hearsay. Hadiths not Verses in the Quran. Do you even know the sects in islam after muhammeds passing. The direct family of muhammed. Hadiths are all hearsay. if you want to critique islam use the verses these that are not disputed from 1 quran to another quran in anotehr country. you can cherry pick a verse or two and swing it to suede you're belif but here Judges 21:10-24,Numbers 31:7-18,Deuteronomy 20:10-14,Deuteronomy 22:28-29,Deuteronomy 22:23-24,2 Samuel 12:11-14,Deuteronomy 21:10-14,Judges 5:30,Exodus 21:7-11,Zechariah 14:1-2 all from your books , all the different verisons of the bibles had slave,female eating and horrible things written by people who destroyed Jesus original word. Thankfully God saw how jesus was treated and how disregarded the people got and gave us the quran . A book that is in itself a miracle. Scientific facts written thousands of years before we knew in the passed 10years. The bible has 20differnt verisons. end of debate.
I'll be off the grid for about a week and a half doing some traveling- I'll catch up on the comments when I return! Thanks for watching!
Lord Jesus Protect you my brother.
Praying for travelling mercies. God Bless :)
BE SAFE! You are a figure of some interest by Islam. Jesus bless you on your travels!
Thanks so much everyone!
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I am an atheist and I’ve been learning a lot from your videos, it is not just Christians. You do good work here, thanks a lot!
Have a good day
Thanks Rubin, very cool
nonsense dude, don't listen to this clown to get an accurate view of Christianity, just read the bible yourself. The bible condones slavery end of story, the bible is gross and immoral.
(there are many examples for all of these things but I'm too lazy to find all the verses)
the bible is full of wack ass blood magic: Leviticus 1:5-9
poor sexist hygiene: Leviticus 15:16-28
anti-homosexuality: Leviticus 18:22
Super Jealousy: Leviticus 26:14-39
idk random magic test to test adultery, would be cool to do a test with this and systematically destroy the entire Jewish and Christian religion: Numbers 5:11- 31
The bible also claims the Egyptian gods exist strangely: Numbers 33:4
Murders non-virgin women: Deuteronomy 22:13-21
after attacking a city unprovoked Moses tells the Israelites to kill everyone except the virgin women: Numbers 31: 15-18
And there is a bunch of slavery condoning in the bible (not to mention sex slavery). You can start with Exodus 21 but just look it up on the interwebs... it's well documented.
@@clearlyclear400 Everything you claimed was absolutely wrong. First of all stating that you're too lazy to find all the verses tells me either you don't know what you're talking about, you're too lazy to actually research what you typed, which is apparent, or both.
You claimed that the Bible is "gross and immoral" even though most of them don't fit that description anyway if they were true...
Blood Magic: I can see by this comment that you don't know anything about the Old Testament because if you did maybe you would realize that sorcery of any kind is prohibited. What is mentioned is a sacrifice which was practiced by the Israelites to atone for sin, not "blood magic" which is strictly prohibited by the Old Testament Law.
Poor sexist hygiene: I assume you meant sexual and not "sexist", so I will respond as though you said poor sexual hygiene. Both male and female had to bathe after an emission, so neither is it sexist or poor sexual hygiene. And if you are referring to a woman's period making her unclean that is not sexist, blood is not something that should be touched anyways...
Anti-Homosexuality: Wow! You got one right. Yes, Judaism as well as Christianity prohibits same sex relationships because it defiles the covenant of marriage. It is not very hard to use common sense that two men and two women are not meant to have sex together. The anus is not a sexual organ. That should be enough reason to realize that homosexuality is not natural. Although it is condemned, homosexuality is only one among many sexually immoral practices. If you actually bother to read all of Leviticus instead of googling random verses you would realize how many things are considered sexually immoral.
Super Jealousy: I am not sure how this qualifies as being "gross or immoral", but I'll still respond. God is a jealous God because He alone created all things. He is worthy of honor and praise, so when humans bow down to things He created instead of Him, He is jealous for a right reason. I would not expect you to revere God as an unbeliever, but when you realize God's perfection you'd understand why He ALONE is worthy of our praise.
Bitter Drink: When you make an argument you probably should use the unsure language you did when you said "idk random magic test". Considering you said idk I automatically assume that you did not even care to research this topic which doesn't look good on you when making a bold accusation. This had nothing to do with the drink itself, God would protect the woman if she was pure, however if she was not, God would not allow her to bear children.
Claiming other gods existed: Although the verse you provided didn't even say anything about other gods, Every Jew and Christian knows that the Bible mentions other gods. This is not because God (the only God, not one among many) says that the Egyptians worshipped other gods. This does not mean that they are real entities, however it displays how people believed that their idols were actual being which they were NOT. So no, there are no other gods.
Kill non-virgins: No, it has to do with stoning an adulterer not a non-virgin if you would have read verse 21.
Attack unprovoked city: I can see you didn't read the entire book. The Midianites hired someone to curse Israel which is why they killed all of the men.
Slavery: you must not have watched the video. Slavery does not mean the same thing as is the African slave trade. Nothing about biblical slavery is immoral. I'll say no more on this subject because that's literally what this video is for.
From now on, maybe instead of making large claims about something you know nothing about how about you actually read the Bible instead of googling random verses on the internet without understanding the historical context of the matter. It is honestly just embarrassing to you.
@@jacobtaylor5848 I have read every word from the Torah, which is where I've quoted from.
Blood Magic: The point isn't really that some magical effect occurred (even though--especially as a scapegoat offering--magical effects would occur like purging your sins) but that people would sprinkle blood around 7 times or something and rub blood on their right toe and brow etc to please their god. And I don't know what you would consider Sorcery but many people in the bible had magical abilities: Samson, Elijah, Elisha, Moses and Aaron.
Poor Sexist Hygiene: I meant Sexist
Anti-Homosexuality: That's sad
Super Jealousy: idk if you read the passage I cited but long story short, he said he would commit genocide if you stopped believing... so that's bad
Egyptian Gods: "While the Egyptians were burying all their firstborn whom YHWH had fatally struck among them. YHWH had also executed judgments against their gods."
I don't know what executing judgment is other than killing... which would imply that they were alive at some point.
Murdering Non-Virgin Women: No... The verse begins describing a man and woman about to consummate their marriage, and when the man finds out that she isn't a virgin they stone her to death. It never mentioned adultery, but specifically mentioned prostitution for when she lived with her father. They also murder Adulterers which I guess is okay with you, but I'd disagree.
Attacking a City Unprovoked: Um I didn't know the king of some land asking someone to curse other people (which balaam never did btw) is reason to genocide the kingdom, and keep all the virgin women as sex slaves which you conveniently decided to gloss over.
If there is nothing immoral about the slavery in the bible then would you become my slave under biblical law? I think it's immoral to own anyone as property but that's just me.
No no no, it all means something different in arabic 😂😂😂
Ah yes, I forgot...
@Islam Safari even then Muslims will tell you that only an imam knows the true meaning. Can't win with their Double standards
Brother I love to watch your VEDIO. And my faith get more strong. Thank you brother keep up ur good work god bless you
You're always so detailed and courteous with your explanations. May the Almighty God bless you and continue to endow you with wisdom to carry on.
God bless damesco!
You are a vessel used by God, brother. Thanks so much.
Another excellent video that I will add to my reference list. Thanks for your excellent analysis and teaching.
What amazes me is that they bring up Christianity no matter who they're talking to. I'm an atheist and they try to bring it up in an attempt to deflect the flaws in their religion and make me defend my supposed Christianity. They have no foot to stand on once they realize I've got no skin in the game.
Facts.
I see that few muslims found your channel and now they dislike every video. Is that really the best they have to offer? That won't make Islam the truth!
Yeah, I have a several regulars, and some come and go. Nadir Ahmed is trying to get back in the spotlight. He's recently been commenting a lot.
Let them boil in their own hatred.
David Woods have a very good video explaining why one should treat them "bad". If you are soft, they'll step on you.
_"Is that really the best they have to offer?"_ Yes. A downvote is actually a better "argument" than the "arguments" in favor of Islam their apologists offer. :D
Great video, great explanation!
I don't have enough hours in the day to watch as many of these videos as I want to...but I'll get there.
You are gifted in all ways, praise the LORD
I like how intellectual and unemotional you present information with citations from the scriptures and surahs.
Great work brother!!
Your Satire is spot on!!!
Thank you! I have shared this video to my reading of Exodus 21 reading.
Brilliant video, my friend!
Thank you so much dude, I was really struggling with this passage but you really cleared it up, thank you.
Would love to know your opinion on the book of Enoch, Macabees and the book of Jubilee...
Enoch is a cool story, I do not believe it happened literally but I believe it doesn't have be true in order to be meaningful to the Biblical narrative.
Macabees and Jubilee (among the other books of the deuterocanon) are not inspired and were added to the Torah by Greek converts and never considered canon by the Jews.
I am learning a lot from this video alone! Thank you sir.
Thank you Islam critiqued for your efforts..
God bless you Brother
Do you also make Biblical especially Christian teaching Videos? Would LOVE to learn more about Christianity and the Bible from you!
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Extraordinary explanation!
Thanks so much for this! I’m working on a video about the criticism of the Bible condoning slavery. Have a good day!
Have you finished your video about the criticism of the Bible condoning slavery as of yet?
Would be interested to view it.
*_God Bless_*
Thank you for exposing lies and revealing truth once again. Jesus is Lord
Superb explanation 👍
My dear brother,
Thanks for your big help from the Exodus 21:21.
One of the Muslim brother and sister ask me about Exodus, but I don't have the answer, because I am not a genius in the Holy Bible's understanding. But our living God (Yahweh/Jesus Christ) helps me through your video message.
May the living God (Yahweh/Jesus Christ) bless you and your family forever and ever. Amen, Hallelujah 🙏✌️♥️
Is that an E906 or E609 microphone, it works really well with your voice :-) Great content, keep doing it!
Depends which way up it is...
In this case 906... 😉
@@andythompson2009 Funny... very funny.... ;-) however 609 is 609 rotated 180 degrees ;-) Now I'm the funny one XD
I have learned a lot from you.
Glad you're enjoying the channel Chevalie
How did you got those Chinese noodles inside your arms ?
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You can crush a diamond with those forearms
He does have very nice forearms though, LOL!
Can you give the citations to your stuff in the description
Thank you my bro😎
You're welcome
Leviticus 25:44-46
44 *“‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.* 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, *and they will become your property.* 46 *You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.*
i.e. *you can rule over others ruthlessly, but not your fellow Israelites.*
*You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life*
*Beating a slave is fine as long as the slave survives a day or two because they are property*
Exodus 21:20-21
20 “And if someone strikes his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies at his hand, he shall be punished. 21 If, however, the slave survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for the slave is his property.
*Jesus support beating slave if the slaves are not obey the master wants*
Luke 12:47 “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.
*What a loving God*
the main issue i have a hard time understanding and explaining is where it says the slave is your property. anyone have wisdom om this?
The Hebrew term we translate as "property" is actually a mistranslation. In the original Hebrew the term actually refers to "production output". This is why the ESV translation renders the verse as:
But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.
@@animalcart4128then bible is infallible
Can you link the books plz
No. Many of my sources are not freely available online. I cite them always and only link them where possible.
Yes thank you
Mankind is so stupidly deceived that God has to talk to us as lumps of clay.
And then we spend a lifetime working out even that!
Thank you as always.
The key to understanding the second part about the slave being a property is to compare it to verse 19 of the same chapter. In verse 19, the aggressor is expected to pay financial compensation for wages lost due to injuries he inflicted on the victim. In the case of a slave, the issue of wage loss does not apply because it is the master, who is responsible for the injury, that loses.The NIV translation supports this explanation. The translation says that the master should not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two.
The master should not be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two. How pathetic! Abusing slaves...absolutely pathetic. Criticizing Islam and Muhammad for slavery whilst thinking it is okay and downplaying the Bible's condoning of Slavery(and by implication JESUS condoning of SLAVERY) is HYPOCRISY of unimaginable proportions!
@@shahiedbarnes8350
Correct but theists always cherry-pick the portion of the scripture that suits their narrative
NIV is a corrupted translation based on suspect transcripts. Textus receptus is better. Thanks to Erasmus
@@bjccook1352 The Majority Text differs from the Textus Receptus in almost 2,000 places. So the agreement is better than 99 percent. But the Majority Text differs from the modern critical text in only about 6,500 places. In other words the two texts agree almost 98 percent of the time.
@@shahiedbarnes8350 The master's punishment is implied in the text. This passage never condoned abusing slaves that is why it was listed here as a wrong doing. Another thing obvious in this passage is that the life of a slave in this context is worth the same as that of the master.
Jesus washed the feet of his disciples. In those days, that task was reserved for the lowest of slaves. He was sold for 30 pieces of silver by someone whose feet he washed. 30 pieces of silver was the going rate for slaves at that time. Jesus was essentially a slave during his last moments in this world. Make of that what you will.
Great video, but just a little note on the Hebrew in Exodus 21:12: It's pronounced ma-vet ya-moot.
Did King James change the Bible?
"Look over there!" 🤣
Nice analysis! I also like exodus 21:22-25, the unborn baby is to be protected. And Exodus 21:14: And if any one lie in wait for his neighbour to slay him by craft, and he go for refuge, thou shalt take him from My altar to put him to death. -- no religious protection for deceitful, lying murderers
The funny thing is a lot of people use their verses to try to justify abortion, or to try to say the Bible is pro-choice, but in reality if you actually read it in context it’s actually the complete opposite the verse of values the unborn baby.
@@pleaseenteraname1103and supposedly Christians don't follow the old testament anymore...
As someone who’s learning more and more about Islam I watch videos that would question my faith so Ik for certainty, but this video was actually filled with falsehood sunan an-nasa' i 3411 (the first verse he talked about) as I did some research that verse does not exist matter of fact I only could find that verse from an Islamophobic website. And it seems you have copied them/ got ur information from them!
i thought this video was about exodus 21 ?!?
From the...tittle: Slavery in Exodus 21:20-27
There's no good behind slavery at all and shouldnt be in a book that supposes to be so godly and heavenly
God never places his stamp of approval on slavery. It’s a human creation, not divine. There’s a difference between something being in the Bible and something being approved by God. Your comment is simplistic.
@@IslamCritiqued you made it loud and clear referring about God saying it's ok for slavery that's why I said what I said or else I wouldn't have said it
Apparently all you’re capable of doing is misrepresenting what I said. Point me to the time stamp in the video where I say that God approves of slavery.
@@IslamCritiqued Not necessary. You never pointed out a time God specifically said "no slavery, don't do slavery, don't own another human as a slave/servant."
Which insinuates god of tue bible was...and is still okay with slavery.
@@pastaapostle9388 I don’t like this guy. He seems dark & evil
But you’re doing the same by bringing up all those verse and criticizing quran say’s
When you’re reading the Bible you need to understand it is written by people just like us that believe and know that there is a god these are the types of things that were normal god didn’t guide some guys hand. when you get farther in your faith you will understand don’t stop now we are just like these people that used to live 2000 years ago that’s why we can relate and interpret the Bible still to this day god loves you he’s not a book but the Bible I’m not discrediting the Bible I’m just saying god didn’t directly write it I believe god is within us we are all connected through him
OK if we are not sure that slave is died becuse of his master , so we should not punish master to death , but when master is beating slave male or FEMALE and we are sure about that we should not punish master .And even if master mistreat his slave by distroying his or her body parts , according to this vedio the slave should only go free but the main point is that there is no punishment on master at the end. bible is clear if someone distroys someone's eye or thooth his thooth or eye should be destroyed but when it comes for slaves master have set slave free and no punishment for master .
0:40 nah what about Farid Responds
So what you're saying is both the Christian and Muslim Gods permitted slavery, are such gods worth worshiping? Why God/god didn't instruct man not to enslave their fellow men? Exodus 21 is man's attempt to regulate slavery it may have been revolutionary for it's time, but mankind has advanced morally in 2020.
Permitting is not the same as condoning. God permits a lot of things.
@@IslamCritiqued if God/god instructed man on the eating of shellfish and clothing, something as important as the enslavement of man was too much to ask this good merciful God ? Am I more merciful than your God?
Look at the world the bible describes, almost hopelessly at odds with his plans. There's the option of widespread judgement for corruption (Gen 6-8), or God accommodating sin because of the stubbornness of people (Mark 10:5), whom he will eventually require to give an account (Hebrews 4:13). My guess is you have some things in your life God doesn't approve of. How would you prefer he deal with you?
Thou shall not enslave a human being. If that is too difficult for your God/god I am not the one with the problem.
"Thou shall not enslave a human being." Can't say that. Much of the slavery in those days was in the form of what we would call a contracted worker. It's only problematic if you assume that "slavery" means slavery in the modern sense. It was a critical aspect of their economy and slaves were often part of the family. Sounds like you have zero knowledge of the ancient near east, but want to impose your modern concerns on the ancient cultures anyway.
How about a commandment that says “Thou shalt not own people as property“?
Was this too difficult for this particular immoral god?
Such a commandment was likely impossible in an ancient near eastern context, where various forms of slavery were needed for economic, social, and military purposes. A commandment that rendered a nation unviable would be bizarre.
@@IslamCritiqued I have to disagree. As much as I very much enjoy your content I cannot lower my morals to endorse or condone the owning of people as property. An all-knowing deity would know this is wrong and advise accordingly. I cannot however blame god, it is obviously written without its consent. Keep up the good work, have a good day
I didn’t endorse it either. It was a necessary evil, given the flawed systems people created. Don’t read something I didn’t say into my comment.
@@IslamCritiqued I didn’t. I wasn’t referring to you, I was referring to whoever wrote exodus 21. Sorry for any confusion
You can't argue that Exodus 21 endorses the practice either, rather than regulates it. There's no reason to think that the text represents the supreme ethic, rather than an accommodated one. God's ultimate plan is represented clearly in other texts.
Ye but it is written in the Bible which I totally understand you must contain what is written, however people think that the Bible allows this sort of behaviour... that's the part that frustrates me....
Major problem with Muslims: everything is whitewashed in the Quran. All of the major characters are pristine...etc. It's all divinely approved. When Muslims read the Bible, they assume the same: if the Bible says it, it's divinely endorsed.
@@IslamCritiqued they argue that the Qur'an is unchanged, when Jesus died on the cross for us alot of things changed unclean meats were no longer a sin to eat like pork. The sacrifice of Jesus took alot of the old laws away, sacrificial lambs was another one.
'Implying a death penalty for the master (Sanhedrin 52b; Rashi)."--Living Torah
he shall surely be avenged: [with] death by the sword [decapitation], and so does the Torah say: “a sword avenging the vengeance of the covenant” (Lev. 26:25). -[From Mechilta, Sanh. 52b]--Rashi
In just the Torah, the root elsewhere is always translated some version of avenged in the KJV
Duly noted in Sarna's commentary as well. Thanks for your comment!
I have followed your videos for quite some time now watching every minute of the videos but the rationale you give in this one just doesn't count...and I being very civil with my choice of words
Doesn’t count is not a valid exegetical argument against my interpretation of the text.
@@IslamCritiqued I have been trying to study Islam for an year now and I would not make excuses for anything their book or hadiths say but my presumption is that the Torah was written by people via inspiration from God, so saying they didn't have means to prove cause of death to a slave should not count, he is all knowing I presume n should thus be less ambiguous
The argument I'm making (as I recall, it's been awhile) is that the death penalty is required for killing slaves. This is obscured in the English, which provides an apparent opportunity for criticism. I have no idea what your comment about "all knowing" is related to. These cases were decided by human judges, who were not all knowing. Exodus 21-23, rather than simply listing laws, is providing examples of how the 10 commandments could be implemented. These were guidelines judges would use in adjudicating cases brought before them.
@@IslamCritiqued Why didn't God make a ritual to determine innocence or guilt? or why not just make a magic chant to divine the culprit? God's done it before.
@@clearlyclear400 Think about that in practice. Every time someone did something wrong they'd have to travel to Jerusalem and visit the High Priest, who'd have to perform a ritual, and God would have to judge. And if the Jews were rebelling against God by serving other gods, which Israel/Judah often did, then it may be the case that God would shield himself from them and those rituals would not work. I don't think this case is that complicated, if the slave dies within a few days, then we say the killer should have realized he was too harsh and could have killed him. If he lives longer then that, then the slave owner didn't likely intend to kill him.
Is it perfect justice? No. But neither is anything during Satan's reign (Luke 4: 5-8). God is making lemonade with the lemons his creation gave him by rebelling against him in the first place and acting like a bunch of baboons.
In what "Context" would it be "Ok" for one person to own another person as their property ?
Any slave defenders can be an "Indentured servant" in Congolese cobalt mines
May the living God (Yahweh/Jesus Christ) bless you and your family forever and ever. Amen, Hallelujah 🙏✌️❤
So you can't defend the notsoholy bible?
Excellent attempt at not posting a meaningful comment.
@@IslamCritiqued wow boss man himself replied. Jokes aside have you seen your boys getting obliterated by shaykh uthman ibn farooq.
@@IslamCritiqued my point still stands, you couldn't defend the disgustingly unholy bible in where it says that if the slave survives a day or two you won't be punished.
Rapid fire and equally meaningless responses...didn't see that coming. Not predictable at all!
@@IslamCritiqued Not meaningless at all considering the title of the video. It mislead me into thinking you were gonna defend the bible against the critiques. Although it was a bit humorous that you attributed using this verse to Muslims when in my experience I have seen a lot more atheists use it. I tend to see Muslims use the verse where the bible orders you to attack amalek and destroy all that they have.
Why doesn’t God simply say- “Thou shall not own another human being as property”?
If he can ask us not to wear mixed fabrics, surely he can say slavery is wrong.!!!
Not all slavery was wrong in the ancient near east. Some was necessary, and we even have many equivalent forms of it today, by other names. I think God's response to you would be, "Thou shalt not read the modern definition of slavery back into ancient history." At least, that is my reply to you.
Teresa Amanfu because slavery used to have a different meaning! Modern days slavery is not the same as slavery a looooooooong time ago. Back then a slave was a laborer who worked to pay off his debts.
Islam Critiqued
In which context would owning another human being as property be ok?
Read the whole of Exodus 21
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Exodus: 21
20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.”
Huh. It's almost like the video discusses these things...
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@7:10 Sarna says "This law, the protection of slaves from maltreatment by their masters, is found no where else in the entire corpus of ancient near-eastern legislation."
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What does Exodus 21:20-21 mean in the Old Testament? What is the wisdom behind this?
The wisdom is in the creation account, where the divine design is given. Legal codes like this arise because that divine plan was rejected. These laws aren’t ideal, and aren’t even claimed to be.
@@IslamCritiqued "These laws aren’t ideal". You critiqued your own God dude. Another non sense Christians.
*Jesus support beating slave if the slaves are not obey the master wants*
Luke 12:47 “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.
@@TheKingofTheUniverse.You were clearly reading to react, not to understand . Typical atheist.
2:04 that is not correct it does not state that anywhere, and if it does it is no sahih if its not confirmed by muhammad peace be upon him
Yep....Sahih sunnah.com/nasai:3959.
It was narrated from Anas, that the Messenger of Allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse, but 'Aishah and Hafsah would not leave him alone until he said that she was forbidden for him. Then Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed:
"O Prophet! Why do you forbid (for yourself) that which Allah has allowed to you.' until the end of the Verse.
Grade: Sahih (Darussalam)
Fascinating how your presuppositions about your prophet determine what you believe to be "true" about him.
I've dealt with this passage with atheists. "The Bible says you can beat your slave within an inch of their life, and so long as they get up and walk after a few days, you don't have any repercussions" they would say.
"Actually, the word for punished "Naqem" means capitol punishment, not just regular punishment" I would reply. "Besides the fact, look at how the surrounding passages phrase it. One man hurts another and he must take care of him until he is well, paying him his daily wages to make up for lost work (18-19). In the same way, the slave owner has already paid of his slave's debts, and so it is his own lost laborer for a few days for a debt already paid for. This passage is equating a freed man and a slave man as having equal rights, not only a freed and enslaved, but also a male and a female as having equal rights. Not only that, but the next verses then talk about a pregnant woman who's child gets hurt (22-25), giving even the unborn the same rights as the already born. Treating all people as equal: freed or slaved, male or female, born and unborn."
"Well, it's still calling the slave the other person's property, and that's just immoral."
"We call a football player the property of an NFL team, is that immoral?"
Nope, you took the general text and applied it to something extremely specific which is a basic tenet behind basic logic. “He shall be your property” is pretty clear about what it means.
One “man” hurt another slaves are not considered people, at no other point in the Bible was a slave ever referred to as a “man” they are property. Please show me a passage where slaves are referred to as “men” or “man”
@@leocriss6354 The Hebrew term we translate as "property" is actually a mistranslation. In the original Hebrew the term actually refers to "production output". This is why the ESV translation renders the verse as:
But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.
Majority of people call NFL players "agents". You've presented a false equivalency. And it's not only atheists who will be the ones who challenge you on this, Christian.
@@leocriss6354 "I already decided I won the argument, nothing you say matters." FTFY
Trajectory hermeneutics can be used to explain why men marrying female slaves (right hand possesses) was condoned by the Quran considering the context of the culture in which islam was revealed. Sexual relations were considered by 7th century Arabs as natural, casual, ubiquitous, non-taboo and their understandings of intercourse were even ahead of modern liberal standards of the western world. The mindset surrounding slaves and sex was not separate nor taboo, though the concept of free will, work ethics, labour and social construct of ownership has changed drastically and will continue to change. islam did not prohibit slavery as it would not have been achieved by a culture that normalised it and the general collective consciousness of the societies would not have embraced it. Instead, islam encouraged emancipation (quran 24:33, 2:177, 90:13, 4:92, 58:3) and treating ‘what the right hand possesses’ with fairness and prescribes gifting them with compensation (quran 4:24, 4:25, 4:36, 24:33) until the time would come that social perception will change.
in attempt to not alienate the first recipients of islam (the companions) whom were integral to the survival and spread of islam and prevent it from forever becoming forgotten, the Quran did not outright ban slavery as this would have been detrimental to their survival instead, the quran depended on the evolution of humanity where it will actualise their potential to be able to forbid this, ultimately making slavery haram.
thus islam set a trajectory by placing parameters on their practices rather than lose focus of the actual mission of spreading the message of the oneness of allah by paying attention to establishing social changes (irrelevant-this wasn’t the prophet’s mission, this was gonna happen eventually after his death anyway), knowing these social changes will occur with time, deeming this culture (slavery, among other things that are allowed but not encouraged) will become forbidden and un-islamic once it dies out,
That theory is hilarious, given the Quranic conception of paradise treats women exactly the same as the Quran in the culture in which it was revealed. It seems Allah failed to progress. "islam set a trajectory by placing parameters on their practices" curiously, that trajectory included sexual intercourse with one's s*l*a*v*e*s as well as one's multiple wives. Allah and Muhammad- always looking out for the men.
Islam Critiqued that theory is key, it is the basis under which certain verses can become abrogated. when studying islam it's key to understand that sharia was built in a way to allow flexibility and is malleable. for example, a pre-islamic common practice among quraish was to sacrifice 100 camels in place of a son as compensation for murder of an innocent life, islam came along and accepted this 100 camel sacrifice, it's not to say that the prophet didn't understand that there were places outside saudi deserts where camels didn't exist, i'm talking sweeden, china, Australia, lmao how can you sit and say that islamic laws are divine revelation as opposed to only put in place to address certain issues that a particular society is facing? how can you apply these laws to the rest of the world? there is a distinction between divine revelation and the relevance of the rulings of it's content.
similarly, verse 8:60 COMMANDS preparing horses as military defense, is that to say that not using horses in our modern days in the miitary is un-islamic? no! because the majority of muslims aren't i*s*i*s, we don't read the quran too literally and we understand that certain verses were only revealed to address issues that a certain group of people was facing, deeming relevant only for them.
in line with this arguement, slavery was condoned because it was relevant to that day and age, not because slavery was intended. sex with slaves was a n.o.r.m.a.l thing once upon a time, there was once a time not even that long ago where you can go to the shop and buy a human being just like how you can buy an apple, it was normalised not just in Mecca of the 7th century but all around the globe and for long millennials up until very recently, who knows if 1000 years from now people are gonna look back and vilify us for having a government or paying taxes or treating cancer with chemotherapy and radiation and burning fossil fuels, it wasn’t Mohammads job to change their social norms with the limited time and resources he had, he was tortured enough as it was for introducing all these new religious ideas and discouraging certain practices so he left a lot of things up to the future generations to change, a Hadith talks about how the entry of an agricultural tool into ones home brings nothing but evil, does this mean Mohammad banned agriculture? No! But he put the safety of his people with a hunter-gather, warrior, tribe-dependent lifestyle’s safety first and recognised what doesn’t go with their lifestyle that would put them in danger if they were to practice it. Mohammad also said “soon Allah will open for u the kingdoms, and changes in Muslim generations will come, and with that many changes” I’m not defending slavery, I’m just trying to put my shoes in a world that normalised it-and so did the Quran. Also, sex in heaven is made lawful (halal) just as sex between a husband and wife is made lawful so there’s nothing wrong with striving to earn it, and to enjoy it without guilt. People will either complain that the Quran offers too much sexual freedom in the cases where it’s made lawful (wife, heaven, right hand possesses) or complain that it deprives people of a natural human necessity when it’s made unlawful (extra-/pre-marital), and women are either ‘oppressed’ for being told to cover up or they’re ‘objectified’ when they’re given sexual liberties, so the Quran can never truly win unless you want it to. and one more thing, 'right hand possess' doesn't just talk about slaves, it can mean children and orphans and inanimate objects under your responsibility so be weary of this in different verses.
@@zwayra6903 lol he doesn’t have a rebuttals for this. That was beautifully said. Thank you.
Western slavery and African slavery are two completely different things African slaves live with the family but are free to come and go…….they do work for the family but this is a lot of times in exchange for food and shelter and I’m sure I don’t need to explain the difference between western slavery
I wonder if exodus 21:20-21 are mistakes that the writer made. I don't believe it's moral to beat a female servant and then call them property. It also talks about in psalms about the male servant looks to his master and the female servant looks to her mistress. So if it were really true, at least a male servant would serve a man and a female servant a woman. Now that would seem moral, but a man and a woman? No. Psalm 123:2 Behold, as the eyes of servants look to the hand of their masters, As the eyes of a maid to the hand of her mistress, So our eyes look to the Lord our God, Until He has mercy on us. it could have been a man who was drunk or was angry.
These are laws legislating morality. They’re laws for a fallen human race in the ancient near east. Not the divine ideal.
trying to debate a Christian is like talking to a wall, save ur breath
All of the louis Farrakhans better study this
"THE EVIL MISSION OF THE EVIL TYPE OF GOD, AND HIS PROPHET, BUT CAMOUFLAGED WITH THOUSANDS OF OTHER VERSES , AND IT HAS ALSO BEEN CONSISTENTLY DONE BY ISIS, OTTOMAN AND BOKO HARAM' !?
Previously even jews also into slavery. It wasn't talking about black or africa. Only in quran it says clearly BLACK SLAVE and they are value cheaper than other slave. As in 2 black for 1 non black. Half value reduces if you're black in mohd rules. Quran is preserved so read it.
Was it ever Moral yes or no ?
False assumption; false dichotomy.
@@IslamCritiqued Just keep dancing around the question.
I’m explicitly rejecting your question because the above reasons. “Dancing” gives your question more credit than it deserves.
@@IslamCritiqued Your a prime example of the illness caused by religion. Your God of the Bible has no moral values and your denial to answer the question shows how corrupt you have become. I actually feel sorry for you. Bye.
“Your” a prime example of someone who can’t think well (or use correct grammar), and then dismisses people who point that out.
Awesome refutation of Muslim claim of exodus 21. Now muslims will try to find another verse which they don’t understand.
Awesome??? If anything I’m more confused then I begin this video.
@@jenaeenabdelrhman939 read the passage first before you comment
Leviticus 25 44-46 is clear. No interpretation can justify the verse
This is outstanding. God is ok with humans owning other humans. So long as they don't die within two days of their beatings. What a moral God to believe in.
You are ignorant
Beloved Brother in Christ. Please Study about The Preservation of the Bible, for the Textus Receptus is the Received Text - and all thos "New" Bible PER-Versions have a Corrupted Text (Westcort & Hort, textus Vaticanus) The Bible always speaks about Servants, not Slaves, and i BELIEVE THAT THE KING JAMES BIBLE IS THE INFALLIBLE, PRESERVED WORD OF GOD, for God Promised >> Psalm 12:6 (KJV) The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. ! SERVANTS >> Exodus 21:20-21 (KJV) And if a man smite >> his servant,
Its a wonder how women can bear sleeping with this man 😳 he is the worst kind
You’ve been accused of going too far in depth? No that is what we come here for! Don’t lower your content to please ignorant people. If they don’t understand it than they can watch it again.
I was laughing when you said Bukhari made sure readers would know that Muhammad owned Black Slaves by mentioning it repeatedly. I love it when youre sarcastic in a funny way. ;))))
Qur'an mystery how people becomes a slave.
Ohhh may godness
Would you be my slave under Exodus 21:20-27 ? Why is it moral for God to own other people as property? Why does God specify from witch countries you could buy your slaves? Do you think for yourself it's moral to own other people as property and even give them to your children after your death? Btw , I'm not a Muslim but an atheist. I wish you a very nice day with friendly regards.
It was a reality of the ancient near East. People shouldn't assume that what's described in various cultures throughout biblical history lives up to God's standards.
Anytime critiques(muslims/atheists/etc) bring up the slavery objection, I'm pointing them to this vid. Thanks so much for this! :-)
That's the idea...use the videos for your own purposes. I hope they're a good resource for anyone who needs them
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Read the whole of Exodus 21 for yourself. No apologetics needed.
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Genuine question, why didn’t God simply ban slavery? We know how harmful it is, even if it was normal at that time. Also do Christian texts ever talk about having sex with female slaves? If so, did God ever ban sexual slavery in Christianity? I am doing some research and would like to be pointed to some credible sources if you don’t mind. All the best :)
He did for the Hebrews
It's not chattel slavery.
God - Gets offended for an imperfect being he created, eats a fruit.
Also God - lays down laws to own slaves.
He gave him a simple test of obedience. And he disobeyed because "she made me do it." The Law of Moses was for the ancient nation of Israel. God knew it was not a "law for all time" like the Muslim idea of Mohammed's law. The Law of Moses was part of God's covenant with Israel which was a conditional covenant. When Israel broke the covenant God eventually ended it and then made the New Covenant. The New Covenant is not with a fleshly nation but a spiritual nation, and likewise we have a greater Law, the Law of the Christ. While the Mosaic Law was a set of rules, the Law of Love is based on principles.
"Do not you people owe anybody anything except to love one another; for the one who loves others has fulfilled the law. For the law code, 'You must not commit adultery, You must not murder, You must not steal, You must not covet,' and whatever other commandment there is, is summed up in this word, namely, 'You must love your neighbor as yourself.' Love does not work evil to one's neighbor; therefore, love is the law's fulfillment." - Romans 13: 8-10, The Bible.
That the Law of Moses was imperfect was explained by Jesus when he said that Moses made an exception for their hard-heartedness of divorcing their wives, but that that was not what God intended (Matthew 19: 7-9). Likewise, the rest of the Law was created to help them live more godly lives, but God knew they would reject it if God expected too much of them. As it was they often left the Law to follow the God's of the nations. Back then the air was more saturated with the law of the jungle. Take the Assyrians for example, who skinned captives alive, hunted humans for sport, and kept human heads as trophies.
@@marisakennedy777your God is a monster.
@@psychicmiles3626That is the same type of non-rational thinking that leads people to say "Queers for Palestine." Congratulations on being fooled into thinking good is bad and bad is good. Here's your prize 🎈a shiney red ballon.
@@psychicmiles3626 Why are you even here? Oh, right, because sneering and scoffing is easier than thinking.
Mmm Muslims are our Abrahamic brothers. One needs not to condemn. It is Love that will turn others to love. Please stop condemning islam. It isn’t a war between Christians and Muslims.
Boy oh boy, you are naive 😂
You should buy your “SLAVES” from the “HEATHEN” around you seems pretty clear. I know we like to use the general text to disprove the specific but that’s not how logic works. I notice you also skipped over the list of rules for non Hebrew slaves, odd.
You are totally right to discuss issues on Islam. But it would be a lot more honest if you would apply the same standards on the Christianity / Judaism. Exodus is about slavery and how to keep and punish and free slaves. If this the moral code of a creator who could create trillions of galaxies his moral code is just as bad. He is or totally crooked or stupid or just does not care and on a lot of issues even worse than his Islamic colleague. Your detailed discussion on translations does not make it right.
This video was on a very specific topic. Also, get educated before you talk to me about any Biblically related issue. Start here: czcams.com/video/jLmZFN0ToNg/video.html.
Hypocrisy sandwich anyone? Only people that believe in magic can sit there with a straight face and criticize another fairytale for slavery when his fairytale does the same thing. It has never been ok to own a human being. Full stop. Grow up. Think for yourself.
You, like many others, confuse the Torah for what you think it should have been. It's not God's ideal society. Bad assumption.
@@IslamCritiqued he knew it would be taken this way, and still decided to convey it through books knowing they would be used for centuries to justify the worst of the worst slavery, let alone slavery in general. He could have beamed all of this information into our heads or some other method that would be totally incomprehensible to me.
I thought we were going to talk about slavery in the Bible not a debate about two religions.
hadis all are bullshit unless you prove them. they only thing is matter is quran and that's it.
I have a message that I’m sharing where I can, some may not want to hear this, but I ask that we stay polite and seek truth together. 😊
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Love is an action. Feed the hungry, house the homeless, father the orphan, and protect the defenseless and vulnerable.
Read the Word for yourself, not only relying on others for guidance. Pray for guidance.Yahushua/Yeshua - His Hebrew name who is usually called (Jesus) taught to keep the whole Word. Including the Law/Torah. Matthew 5:17 “Do not presume that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not [g]the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished! 19 Therefore, whoever nullifies one of the least of these commandments, and teaches [h]others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever [i]keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Read 1 John. John tells us that sin is lawlessness, and that we must keep the commandments. Trust in the atonement of Yahushua/Yeshua who is usually called Jesus, and keep God (YHWH)'s whole Word/commandments. Revelation 12:17 So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. Revelation 14:12 Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. Go to parableofthevineyard youtube channel for information about the bible and good bible studies. I'm in no way paid or sent by him for advertising. I just have learned a lot from his content. He's just a man who is trying to learn as well. :) Yeshua died so we may be resurrected to eternal life....
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but muslims refute it.. that slavery wasn't prohibited in the bible.. that's why christians should not criticize them.. and not only exodus they quote verses from deutronomy as well..
I didn't say it was prohibited. It was allowed as part of the reality of a fallen system. It's not God's ideal. But it does NOT have God's stamp of approval. The Torah doesn't describe God's ideal culture.
Seems ridiculous to say sweeping statements about Muslims. They "can't defend their own religion". I don't see any religion that has adequately defended itself, especially in the question of "is there adequate evidence to conclude that the god of my holy book, or any god for that matter, exists?" If you have I would love to see it. I actively seek this stuff out because lots of people seem to believe it and if there actually is sufficient I want to hear it. if all you have though is the same things that have been said for centuries, don't bother because I have already heard them and don't find them convincing unless you have some new evidence or spin on them. but I see all religions having people who make efforts at these things. You made multiple sweeping statements about Muslims that are pretty gross in my opinion. Most of these things you're saying about the Quran, I would say about the Old and New Testament. I would also say similar things about the Quran obviously.
God knew the way this would be translated. He knew that that translation of his word would be used for centuries to defend the practice of slavery and continue it. He could have worded it in another way that could not be easily translated to mean that beating your slave is acceptable. Regardless, slavery itself is despicable. Let's say you completely fix the problems with beating slaves. Having them at all is a problem and this is explicitly condoned multiple times and never to my knowledge prohibited, at least through my readings. You will likely say it was regulated, never condoned. But is a regulation of some forms of one thing (esp when they know this will be taken as moral truth) not condoning the other forms of this thing? We regulate alcohol sales for example. Alcohol cannot be sold to people under 21. this is tacitly condoning sales of alcohol to those 21 and up. plenty of things are outright prohibited here that would change human society. It could, and should have happened here. It also says for slaves to obey even harsh masters. So it's not just bad suggestions/rules for masters. "The slave is let go if abused" how about all slaves be let go because slavery is disgusting? That's a terrible regulation. Why is god basing his laws around what humans believe at the time when he clearly made laws about lots of other things that humans still accepted?
You talk about how they didn't have the same technology, culture, etc that we have today. This is basically the context argument. The context makes it okay. But it definitely does not because having the slaves at all is wrong in any context. Slavery is just flat out bad in all contexts. It violates fundamental human rights that ought to be respected.
I do appreciate that you're at least trying to defend the things you believe in some way, but I definitely don't think you've hit the mark. I wouldn't say it's your fault. The material is the issue. But you should definitely humble yourself and stop acting like there are no people in your opposition doing what you're doing for your holy book. Comes off very smug and dismissive.
"The context makes it okay." The heart of your misconception. Passage like this are never given as part of the divine design. They don't have God's stamp of approval. They're laws given in the context of a fallen culture. The goal is to move redemptively from that. Jesus spoke many years ago about laws given because of the hardness of hearts. Concession, not design. You have to look deeper for the latter.
On sweeping statements . . . you should be more familiar with the state of Muslim apologetics. You would likely strongly agree. It's a cesspool of lies and lame arguments.
@@IslamCritiqued Yeah true, Muslim Apologetics is really sad, unfortunately their Muslim followers eat it up without doing actual real research. For instance trying to force their prophet into the Bible, it is one of if not, the saddest attempt in Muslim Apologetics I have ever seen.
I think God should have make it so simple...Thou shalt not have another human being as property.... what about that?
Because you are white it's should be easy for you to talk about slavery...
The Bible is not a divine rule book. That's a problem with the premise of your objection. Ex 21-23 provide some examples of how to implement the commandments in Ex 20. This is a fundamental misunderstanding. Additionally, God never places his stamp of approval on the ancient near eastern culture. The "culture" God approves us is the pre-fall Eden, and Eden restored, Revelation 21-22. As for your stupid racist smear, one more and I'll ban you.
White people were also slaves. Slavery existed all over the world and still exists in different forms (trafficking and animal farming practices)
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet "Farming" "Slavery" Good grief, go back to your PETA rally and let the adults talk.
I'm speechless, disgusted and utterly disappointed. I'm an ex-muslim and this malicious video make me want to defend Islam somehow. I really enjoy watching your in depth critique of Islam and your frustration with their tactics as disregarding Sahih hadith that they don't like make me furious. Now I see you doing same as muslims do. It's "mistranslated" let me give some "context" for this disgusting hadith.
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Here is example of same mental gymnastic that u using in this video:
Like in this "stoning to death hadith" it's actually intended to make old stoning to death practise almost "impossible" cause here is "4 witness that should directly see the penetration" or here is hadith when Muhammad send a woman who confess in adultery back 3 times in order to avoid stoning e.t.c So u can see how Muhammad is nobel and merciful for time given. Or here is the hadith when Muhammad peace be upon him cry over insect death, don't you see that clearly Allah mercy is graved in his Heart. And you know perfectly what they mean by "Allahs Mercy" when stoning to death become perceived as an act full of mercy.
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I don't know what i want to achieve with this comment. Just frustrated to see hypocrisy. To see your critical mind fall completely when it comes to Christianity.
You could have saved a lot of words by actually pointing out an error.
And your critical mind felt the need to defend the indefensible Islam... So sad. And that's coming from an atheist. I agree with the video being rubbis because slavery is always wrong. But you could've simply focused on how it's wrong instead of defending Islam.
You didn't watch the video, did you?
so you take Koran and Hadith at face value and you add your interpretations to it .. but for the Bible verses "let s listen to what Naham Sarna says on this verse"
I think that line is enough
see you in next videos
Wrong again- hey, at least you're consistent. I refer hundreds of times in my videos to various Tafsir and other sources as well.
Typical Muslim- my explanation solves the problem...so that means you're going to ignore it because you want to continue to criticize the Bible.
oh really ?? let s take one example
the hadith about trading two black slaves for one slave
show me where did you mention the tafseer or explanation of this Hadith
Now let me give you 100 examples where I do- just watch my channel.
Muslim Debater you believe in a small incomplete book full of lies and no fulfilled prophecies in 1400 years and counting, you guys said the Torah is part of your scripture,
Muslim Debater Isaiah 46:10
10 I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I just can't get in to religious scripture. It's boring, weird and mind numbing! In my opinion.
It mainly is. Read some modern books about science and philosophy instead, that's what I call enlightening
Muslim here. I came here to learn Christian’s view on this topic because all the Muslims who point this out are obviously bias. Noticed 2 things:
1. This gentleman came off very cocky and condescending towards Muslims (not very Christ like). I understand Muslim debaters may do the same, but that’s not what we’re suppose to do. Would be nice to see someone not dropping down to others level.
2. The explanation albeit was still lengthy and difficult to follow, I understand the general gist of it after watching a few times. But I concluded it is almost the exact same response muslims give for all the verses non muslims point out (“kill all who oppose” “slaves” “men can have 4 wives”).
Lol y’all don’t realize we’re the same. If Islam and Christianity were so “logical” and had evidence that could not be refuted… well everyone would either be Christian or Muslim. I believe that we should be presented with the evidence and then let God guide us to the right path. For me, it was Islam, for others may be Christianity. No point in getting butt hurt about it
The Torah many times does not legislate the divine ideal. It’s legislation for a fallen system. That’s not the view of religious law in Islam.
@@IslamCritiqued You critiqued hearsay. Hadiths not Verses in the Quran. Do you even know the sects in islam after muhammeds passing. The direct family of muhammed. Hadiths are all hearsay. if you want to critique islam use the verses these that are not disputed from 1 quran to another quran in anotehr country. you can cherry pick a verse or two and swing it to suede you're belif but here
Judges 21:10-24,Numbers 31:7-18,Deuteronomy 20:10-14,Deuteronomy 22:28-29,Deuteronomy 22:23-24,2 Samuel 12:11-14,Deuteronomy 21:10-14,Judges 5:30,Exodus 21:7-11,Zechariah 14:1-2
all from your books , all the different verisons of the bibles had slave,female eating and horrible things written by people who destroyed Jesus original word. Thankfully God saw how jesus was treated and how disregarded the people got and gave us the quran . A book that is in itself a miracle. Scientific facts written thousands of years before we knew in the passed 10years. The bible has 20differnt verisons. end of debate.
Why on earth would you follow a PDF file?
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet ??? Who’s talking about a PDF file?
Dumb
What a load of bollocks… I get it. Your made up book is better than their made up book cos your magic man in the sky is the real God…
Why are you here? Fine, fine, you're brave and smart. Is that what you wanted to hear?