Does The Bible Condone Slave Masters Beating Their Slaves?
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- čas přidán 20. 06. 2024
- Does the Bible condone slavery and, worse than that, slave masters beating their slaves? How would you answer this question if someone tried to use this to discredit God and the Bible? This video will help provide you with a clear biblical defense.
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I still don’t understand why God said it was okay to buy foreign slaves and consider them property, even passing them on to their children as an inheritance.
You don't understand because in your mind is the Atlantic Slave trade
I am also confused
😮💨
Honestly it is tough, but God doesn't want us to have slaves, hence why there are things like the year of Jubilee.
But also, if God killed or destroyed us for everything He didn't like we'd all be dead😔
But the examples of how God wants life to be is the Garden of Eden pre-sin, and heaven/earth after the final judgement. ❤✝️
Because God condone slavery. As far as I know, he doesn't speak against slavery. This guy is just trying to spin it.
@@naklovesjesus3204are you actually delusional, he is an “all powerful being” he can literally erase sin, he is choosing not to though, your “god” created everything including sin, he is puppeting his own “enemy”
"However, you may purchase male and female slaves from among the nations around you. You may also purchase the children of temporary residents who live among you, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat them as slaves, but you must never treat your fellow Israelites this way."
-Leviticus 25:44-46
"You may" is a way of permitting an action. And these are specific guidelines as well so it's unlikely a metaphor. Spin it how you want, god is telling you slavery is okay.
Yeah its clear the Bible condones slavery and only the Israelites were to be treated well and released at Jubilee which makes me sad
There's a difference between the slavery of african americans and the slavery of people in the Bible
You should keep reading further down. Googling what’s convenient to make a point ain’t enough.
Let me put this into perspective. First off, biblical slavery wasn't the same as modern day slaves. In these times, slaves were hired to pay off a debt. They weren't taken or forced to work against their will, (in fact, the Bible actually speaks against that.) they willingly became slaves. Secondly, in this time period, having slaves was seen as the norm. The slaves didn't have rights, no repercussions for killing them, etc. But, looking at early history and the rules the Israelites had, their moral standard was way ahead of their time. These slaves were given rights, food, a wife, and the ability to stay or leave after a certain amount of time (or they could buy themselves out at any time). The fact that you could be killed because you killed a slave was UNHEARD of. Also keep in mind, and this has been echoed many times throughout scripture, the Mosaic Law was TEMPORAL and applied to the Israelites up until Jesus, where he established his own covenant. Having slaves was a way for the economy to thrive at that point. Not having slaves would result in so many homeless families and deaths. And, I'm sure you're gonna say, "well, he could have just banned slavery," and to that I say, absolutely not. That would have been a horrible idea. People had already rebelled against God's word (A good majority, actually), so if you were to ban something that was deemed so acceptable at the time? People would go haywire, and they'd rebel against it. So, that would mean slaves would still exist, but this time, there wouldn't be any protection for slaves. Instead, God REGULATED slavery. You couldn't just go out and get a slave willy nilly. And, as for the people who weren't Israelites, these people being enslaved were partaking in pagan practices such as child sacrificing, beastiality, etc. If they were to convert to an Israelite, obviously, they wouldn't deal with those things. Hope this helps!
@@gthompsonbjj "They weren't taken or forced to work against their will"
Exodus 21:4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free.
As you can see the bible supports the enslavement of children against their will.
I like how you pull from all parts of the Bible so things can be put in perspective. People often (including religious people) preach verses out of context. You have shown that the whole Bible is our context. Really great video. Appreciate your sound and balanced teachings.
The perspective is that Christian try to justify an evil and vile act because of their religious beliefs.
There is no perspective or context that makes this practice universally ethical and upright. Modern society has rightly found these practices unethical. The Exodus passage is emblematic of the Biblical attitude toward all forms of slavery. It condones it.
pulling from all parts of the bible isnt always a good thing. it is not univocal and all authors had different versions of god
The verses in Exodus provide their own context. There is no passage anywhere that contradicts them.
the deut verse about not returning an escaped slave.... i wonder why this teacher didn't give us context? that verse was within a context talking about israelites and not chattel slaves.....
God bless you and your family. I watched the video you did 7 months ago about slowing down on the channel to focus on your family and I want send a word of encouragement. Luke 12:33. Even if you’re doing videos and it’s not getting traction don’t worry. That doesn’t mean you’re not pleasing our Heavenly Father. A mistake people make in ministry is equating more people coming to church/channel or anything similar as a sign of success. You keep spreading the good news and God will be pleased. You want people to be here because they want to increase their faith in Jesus not because they want to hear salacious gossip. Remember the most important thing is people hearing the gospel and as you mentioned there are many channels we can get that from so you don’t have to do it alone. We are all one body in Christ. Pray, fast and spend time with God and his spirit will guide you. God bless
Preach!
I really needed to hear that. Thank you so much.
@@thebeatagphey bro check out zephiniah 3:10 bro it’s kinda relatable to this video
Very well done and informative on a subject that complicated. Could tell you have done much research.
Wouldn't God have condemned these practices, if they weren't His will, instead of "making up" rules, just in case they did happen?
God does condemn these things.
The Bible is one story. God set ups His ideal in the Garden of Eden. People ruled over animals, not other people. He then made laws in the OT which took peoples hardened, sinful hearts into account. Then in the NT he reiterates much of the garden ideal.
When God set up a civil law for Isreal in Canaan, He sometimes made laws that were not the ideal. They were for people’s hardness of heart.
For example, Jesus said Moses gave certificates of divorce for people’s harness of heart, but it wasn’t the ideal. I believe it polygamy and slavery fit in this category.
They were not the ideal set up in the garden and they are later censured in the New Testament when the Holy Spirit comes in and softens our hard hearts. When Gid gives a new heaven and a new earth and our hearts are perfect we will no longer need laws about slavery, for example, because it just won’t exist.
God seems to negotiate with his people. Alen covers that aspect.
@@branver1172 "certificates of divorce for people’s harness of heart,"
So why not also issue certificates of adultery or bestiality or everything else for people's hardness of heart? Yet, both adultery and bestiality warrant death, but owning a person as property for between seven years and a lifetime is just regulated so you don't outright beat them to an immediate death. 🙄
@@kerwinbrown4180Is God some kind of politician, that he has to negotiate? Why didn't God negotiate on picking sticks during the Sabbath (penalty: stoning to death)?
@@AtheismActually I would take time to answer, except your eye roll shows me you are not really asking.
Very good topic. Sadly most people will not want to accept it. I hope this video gets around and people listen
accepting some one killing you then take your wife then you say thank you sir you are very Generous?
@@jamesbass6283you obviously didn’t watch the video
Excellent video Allen. I tried to explain this to an atheist recently who had convinced himself that the Bible condoned slavery(among other things, ) but he refused to accept it. I pretty much told him the same thing you said and covered in your video but he continued to say I hadn't answered his question and the Bible does condone slavery even though I plainly showed himhow it doesn't he still refused to accept it. You can't reason with a closed mind. I finally just prayed for him and moved on
Poor guy he was so decieved and lost
I'm just watching to see the mental gymnastics and how you spin this, And you have not disappointed, gold star for you.
3:05 so couldn’t he have just made a law saying slavery is bad from the very beginning? The mental gymnastics are sad
We are servants to Christ. But Christ is a good master. There is a difference in a righteous and good master and a bad and grotesque master. Christ shows the difference
@@allisontowell7177 so you’re saying you’re a slave?
@@beetogarcia9983 I am a servant to Christ, yes. Jesus Himself became a servant to mankind.
@@allisontowell7177 I didn’t say servant
Define mental gymnastics
extremely well thought out answer. slavery has always existed and will always exist as a result of the human condition, unfortunately, and in the Bible, its contextualized as a product of the times
and THIS slavery (and indentured servitude) was not the same as the chattel slavery Black people were subjected to, very important, and sadly this is a biiiig reason many Black folks turn away from Christ, and the Church because of this.
...as a Black woman though, ill admit it does make me wonder why my ancestors had to suffer so much...thank you so much for this and for expounding!
Well said Sister, just keep walking by Faith and trust in Jesus, because we are free because of Jesus. We are children of the Kingdom of God, Amen Amen Amen 😊😊
Didn’t the blacks slaves also had whippings, torture, mutilation, imprisonment, and being sold away from the plantation and women were by their masters
I believe we suffered so much because of sin. God allowed it for whatever reason. Most likely we were living in sin. Or even because we were the weaker tribe. Stronger tribes conquer weaker tribes all the time. Then we were sold off to Europeans and Arabs, the muslims. At the end of the day it is what it is. It exposes the sin of man at the end of the day. We live in a fallen world and never forget that. Thank God none of us today had to deal with what our ancestors had to deal with. Glory to God for freedom. Especially freedom in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
You appear not to have understood Leviticus 25:44-46 it was identical to chattel slavery.
@@tinaf600but why black people have to suffer the most of all races tho??? We went through far worse than hispanic and white people ever had are we some kind of special people bcus others why would Satan hate us so much it's far about us blacks than we know of ourselves we have to be something more to God since we have to suffer so much I suffer more than the white and mexican friends I had so It has to be a meaning g and why I get much more spiritual attacks I love Yahshua but things just don't make sense to me especially this kinda stuff fr I really feel we had to have been the first people God chosen that's all I can think of and it makes so much since of what the bible teaches of the people in Israel back then definitely had to have been black just by all the things we went and still go through we gotta be the chosen
Allen, this is a very difficult conversation to have, but you really did a great job explaining the important differences! I’m not sure how the people who called themselves Christians (in America) didn’t understand how Biblical slavery was to be. And also how indentured servants were to be treated also. Was it a case of bad exegesis or purposeful eisegesis? 🙏🏾
Not difficult, lol
Did you miss the part in Leviticus where the Israelites were able to buy slaves from the nations around them and they would be property for life? People in America understood the bible very well, it allowed slavery.
@@horridhenry9920 no worries, @horridhenry9920, I’m praying for you also! 🙏🏾
Nothing is complicated- we just have to wait upon the LORD JESUS CHRIST and you will be provided with a true and prefect answer which only The Holy Spirit can answer.
Your thoughts are not mine thoughts ..
Isaiah 55:8-9 NIV - “For my thoughts are not your
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD. “As the heavens are higher
We are fallen and can be complite idiots in our fallen barbaric way .
Br Godwin
I think the important thing to note is that the laws in Deuteronomy and Exedus were written to and for the Israelites.
So I think it's ill-advised to transpose that to a Euro-centric slavery. If the Europeans followed what the Bible teaches they'd have never even allowed the transatlantic slave trade.
Deuteronomy 23:15-16
“You shall not give back to his master the slave who has escaped from his master to you. He may dwell with you in your midst, in the place which he chooses within one of your gates, where it seems best to him; you shall not oppress him.“
So the Bible contradicts itself
@@CaptainFantastic222 what a stupid comment, how does that verse make the Bible contradict itself❓slavery was never the will of God in the first place, when He created Adam and Eve He never intended men to rule over each other. The world was supposed to be perfect with Him until the fall came and sin separated us from God. This is your world bro, don’t blaspheme God in a system ran by humans 🤷🏾♂️
John 8:23 ”And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.“
@@jesuscameforrelationshipno4165 Was slavery the will of bible god with Canaan
Would "freedom" be better? For these servants no? They had no home or means to by food. There was no welfare . worse they could of been captured by neighboring people and actually made real slaves
@@jeffphelps1355 You silly and have the mind of a real slave to think freedom is not better.
This illustrates why biblical literacy is so important whether you're a Christian or not.
You trippin
@@Singhster2 when you disagree with God and the Bible then your going to say that He's sugar coating it.
I've seen atheists even admit that what Allan is saying is true.
It's hard to admit the truth when your so against it.
@@lionbolt2136tell me this truth that atheists admitted to instead of an anecdote, i could say “christians told me god isn’t real1!!!1!” and then give no explanation
Also reading the whole canon 66 straight through. People don't even know half the material and then live by it sloppily or reject it in ignorance. I wouldn't read tiny snippets of the Koran and go argue at a madrassa, however American Christians seem to be that grandiose (and progressive revisionists, and atheists) toward Christianity.
the problem is that the text literally says that the slave master is not to be punished if he lives. gave over for the Bible
If The OT did not condone slavery the law would be full of things like "Though shall not enslave no one under no circumstance.." or "slavery is detestable...". You don't have to go through all of the theological and rhetorical gymnastics man. The OT and NT never forbade slavery as something that God is against. The first thing you have to do is accept that and make theology from that fact, otherwise you are being disingenuous with yourself and your audience. All Christians, which includes me, should accept that reality and deal with it as best as they can.
Great video, Brother Parr! I had never understood some of the passages you referenced. You helped my understanding of the Bible!
ive struggled with this for so long, so thank you for explaining it! i still have some questions, but this has helped so much :) God bless
He talked in circles and told you little lies to make you feel better, Most of what he said he literally made up himself, not the words from the bible but he added his own "wishful thinking" to make it all seem perfectly fine. Like with slavery, God never once says "Do not own another human" but instead only lays down rules for how to treat a slave. He never says the salve owner is wrong or bad, so he condones slavery, and this guy goes ahead and adds his own words "God never wanted people to own other people" THEN WHY DIDN'T GOD SAY EXACTLY THAT ????
@@michaelkramer9014Exactly! I will never understand why any African American would promote and make excuses for Christianity. Especially when you learn the history of how it was utilized against them.
I recommend watching Inspiring Philosophy's three part series on this, you can watch it on his channel, just go to his channel - Inspiring Philosophy - and click on the playlist that says Mosaic Law. :)
@@babyiql It takes a THREE part series to explain it?
THREE parts? How long is each part?
The only time someone needs to spend this much time trying to explain something is when the entire thing is doublespeak, gaslighting, and propaganda to convince you of a perspective
If it was clear that God did not allow slavery you could make a 5 minute video showing where it was said
3 Parts series... Go ahead and brainwash yourself buddy
There is no justification for slavery and the creator of this universe cannot support slavery. This text was made and placed in the bible as a support for slavery. Slavery is an act of wickedness for any human being and it will always be wrong .
WORSHIPPERS of SATAN the DEVIL BRING and CAUSE the SUFFERINGS, GRIEFS, PAINS, SICKNESS, and DEATHS of MANKIND
All arrogant, cruel, and merciless worshippers of Satan the Devil
who trick and deceive their own families and neighbors to -
1. mock and insult the Creator as unworthy and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God
2. reject Jesus Christ's Biblical authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead"
and believe instead the lies, falsehoods, and Unbiblical teachings and doctrines of the ANTI-CHRISTS about "Armageddon", "heaven and hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
are
obviously the liars, ungrateful, unkind, offensive and deceitful persons on earth
who
don't respect and value the lives and dignities of their co-human beings... shameless, remorseless, not bothered at all and just don't care even if their Satanic arrogance, hatred, lies, deceptions, cruelties, insulting and hurtful words and acts, ungratefulness, and hypocrisies
bring and cause the humiliations, degradations, sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and DEATHS of their co-human beings including that of their own families and neighbors.
ATHEISM, EVOLUTIONISM, SATANISM, and RELIGIOUS FANATICISM BRING and CAUSE the DISHONOR, DOWNFALL and ETERNAL DEATHS of MANKIND
Atheists, Evolutionists, Satanists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world
who don't respect and value the lives, dignities, and existence of their own families and neighbors
obviously
don't respect and value their own lives, dignities, and existence too.... remorseless, not bothered at all and just don't care even if their Satanic arrogance, hatred, mockeries, opposition, and defiance of the Creator's Sovereignty and his Christ's authority and teachings
bring them nothing but their own dishonor, disgrace, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever.
LOVING, KIND, and RESPECTFUL WORSHIPPERS of the CREATOR WILL LIVE and EXIST on EARTH FOREVER
Jesus Christ KNOWS
that all persons on earth who willingly submit to his authority and put their faith and hope in his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26
will
definitely be favored and honored by the loving, kind, and merciful Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth without liars, perverts, deceivers, traitors, and murderers as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4, 8.
The Creator KNOWS
that all human beings will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 and 9: 5, 6
but
he will not let his loving, kind, and respectful worshippers to remain as worthless dusts forever,
instead,
in the right and proper time and as written in John 11: 25, 26,
he will let Jesus Christ RESURRECT back to life all his worshippers who died recently and even thousands of years ago like Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Jacob, Moses, King David, Jesus Christ's followers, and many others
so
they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom
and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
Exactly!
Creating laws and regulations is not the same as supporting. There are laws about murder, does the Bible support murder? Obviously not! God knew that even if he said not to do it it'd be done anyway, as is human nature, therefore the best course of action would be to create protection laws.
Your reasoning is good just like Allen, but you do not support the act you will make a law to stop it instead of making laws to sustain the act. Unless you do nothave the power make the law then you will suggest a way to make it easier to survive. The law should simply "thou shall not enslave anyone". @@mriamo5003
@mriamo5003
Yeah. But there are laws about how to conduct slavery. There aren't laws about how to conduct murder. See the difference?
Keep doing the good work Allen! We appreciate you so much🙏🏾
Yeah keep lying to us so we can feel better 😂😂😂😂😂
Great topic!!
You are an amazing teacher brother. Thank you
Slavery is ammazing ?
My brother hit me with this when i was a baby Christian. I didn’t handle the conversation well. Now that I’m more mature, this is the answer I’ve learned but it hasn’t come up again in conversation
The bible still condones slavery. Thats never going to change until the bible changes.
I'd be willing to talk with you about it as an atheist.
The concept of humans owning other humans is wrong full stop there is no excuse.
So glad you’ve learned the art of word tap dancing. Just know there’s no way to tap dance around what’s obviously written without looking like a goddamn idiot.😊
Thank you Allen, you've covered some topics that I had problems sorting out and explained them and enlightened me, God Bless.
What about Canaan? What criminal activity or wrong doing did Canaan and his descendants do to be cursed into a life of chattel slavery before he was even born? How does that work?
Beautifully done, brother!
Thanks for listening
Thank you for this well executed message my friend!
Thanks so much for teaching us this important.stuff Allen Parr blessing you as always Amen 🙏🙏🙏
This makes me sad I have to explain:
ANY arrangement where a human is owned as property is immoral
So who exactly are you critiquing with this? It was us humans who made these arrangements.
@malikjohn3001 that is goofy logic. A being who is moral should condemn all immoral acts including owning slaves
@@malikjohn3001 it’s a critique of the men who wrote the Bible
Thanks for sharing 🙏🏼😇
Thank you. Awesome apologetics!
What does it mean to be an apologetics? Real question. Thanks
@@walkinthewoods981 Apologetics is defending the faith from those who object it or attempt to disprove and discredit the faith or its doctrines.
Seen so many videos on this topic. As always, brother Allen makes the most comprehensive video on this subject. I pray God blesses him with 100 times more wisdom and knowledge and influence. Amen!
That’s funny. I thought he made himself look like an idiot
@@chrisbrooks4032 Just a suggestion...Google the term 'ad hominim'.
@@chrisbrooks4032how and why
@@chrisbrooks4032how and why
Great topic and biblical exposition!!
Thank you. Sound teaching!
Thank you for doing a video on this.
click bait? na not allen Parr. God bless you brother.prayers for you and your ministry
Notice how modern day debt can be attributed to slavery and indentured servitude
Notice how modern day bullshit can be used to enslave the minds of rather gullible idiots
Jesus give me grace and endurance this Christmas. As a single mother my number one priority, are my sons. Both of them are autistic so they require a lot from me. God give me strength as I struggle to provide for them. My faith in you is still strong! Even as I struggle to pay rent every month and I struggle to buy groceries for my children, I KEEP FAITH in you LORD. Jesus hear my prayers I’m so overwhelmed and discouraged because I’m also battling lupus and have heart issues. Lord give me strength because I want to give up. 😢
I see this comment a lot.
Im sorry but you have been posting this same comment for 2 years now😂i think youre a scammer at this point
Dang brother Allen thanks for the great video. Normally when I get asked these questions about slavery I kinda reply “yeah, and?” Now I have a better answer
This is not an answer. The only answer to the question is, "Yes, and here is a better way to behave as a slave Biblically"
Allen, have you ever thought about doing a video explaining Christianity and the different religions in African countries and the history. How do we as Christian’s talk to people who try to argue that our religion was different before slavery?
Thank you for this video. I’ve heard arguments from people (namely, Black people) that the Bible condones slavery. As a Black woman, I believe the Bible is greatly misunderstood in that aspect. Of course, slavery existed during those times. However, it wasn’t the chattel slavery that took place in the United States, the Caribbean, and everywhere else. Is there a way that you can debunk the Slave Bible? I know WhaddoYouMeme talked about it in one of his videos in the past.
You appear to have selectively understood what Allen said. In Leviticus chattel slavery was permitted. He tried to skate over it, but you cannot escape the fact that the Israelites were permitted to buy slaves from the nations around them and they would be property for life and an inheritance for their children.
@@horridhenry9920
Bud, SHUT UP. I’m not saying this because I’m ignoring your point (which is poor, but I’ll get to it). Spamming the comments section just makes you look like a troll. Make your point ONCE. Then stop. Believe it or not, you are not on very solid ground.
Chattel slavery is where you are not considered a human. Even if lifetime, slavery as described in the Old Testament was not comparable to whatever poorly formed argument you’re trying to make for two reasons. 1. Slaves could run away if the situation was bad, either to outside Israel or to another region. There’s no provision for returning runaways anywhere in the text. There’s also a LOT of rules concerning treatment that puts them in the category of “person”. There’s so many “outs” of slavery that it’s a wonder that someone that didn’t want to be there could be kept IN. 2. Gentile slaves came from either conquest or purchase from foreign markets. It wasn’t like Israel could have its own markets because of the ban on kidnapping. Which, again ruins your attempts to connect the Bible’s description of slavery with what people in the US first think about when hearing the word “slavery”.
Any ownership of humans is immoral…
Leviticus 25:44-46
New International Version
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Nice overview Allen
Thanks pastor, amen 🙏🏾
Why can’t God put in the 10 commandments, “Thou shall not own slaves” or “Slavery is forbidden”?
Even “all slaves shall be set free after six years”. Even that as abhorrent as it is would be better than “you can take the ones around you forever “
@@Madcow7777Its not ALL slaves only the Israelites would be set free but read this Lev 25:44-46
44 Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Leviticus 25:39-44
39 If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to you, do not make them work as slaves. 40 They are to be treated as hired workers or temporary residents among you; they are to work for you until the Year of Jubilee. 41 Then they and their children are to be released, and they will go back to their own clans and to the property of their ancestors. 42 Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves. 43 Do not rule over them ruthlessly, but fear your God.
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
I love God, but this is something that I have struggled with. I don't understand why God allowed for it and showed favor to the Isralites.
@@DieselPlaysIt's because the Isrealites are the ones who made him up. God was made in the image of man not the other way around.
And this is why the tax agency has only up to 7 years to go after you, the same time frame as the slave (6 years)
7 and 6 aren’t the same numbers what
Want some mustard on that pretzel logic?
Great video God Bless.
Only if you are delusional
It says “you shall NOT commit bestial acts”. It says “you SHALL have slaves”. The equation of bestiality to slavery is so false as to be not even remotely sincere.
Can I have a book chapter and verse for that second quote?
Leviticus 25:44
“‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
@@joyouskekistani6851 1 Peter 2:18…
Very very good. It is clear. For further clarity, a good book to read is "The Truth About Racism" by Dr Philip G Asante
1000 years from now people will say "Can you believe Americans had to work 40 hours a week for their bosses just for food, clothing, and shelter?! How could God have allowed that"
How twisted must one's mind be to conflate working a 40 hour week with the owning and beating of people used for forced labour 🤢🤮
@@trumpbellend6717 tell me you missed the point without telling me you missed the point 🤢🤮
@@Brandon.Germany
Your "point" was to disingenuously make an equivocation between "Slavery" and being a "worker" who works for a weekly wage was it not ? Tell me do you get to OWN "workers" as property FOREVER ?
Do "workers" get PASSED ON to your decendants.
When your male "worker" leaves do you get to KEEP HIS WIFE do any children they have become YOUR PROPERTY ???
Do you get to BEAT your "worker" with a rod as long as they dont die for a couple of days. ???
Can you just TAKE a female "worker" for yourself or GIVE them to your son ?? and does she have to "PLEASE" you or you can get your money back. ??
Can you just go to another town threaten to kill everyone unless they become your "worker" ?
Can your wife just "GIVE" you her female "worker" so she can produce a child for you ??
Can YOUNG VIRGIN FEMALE "workers" be taken as a wife if you have just massacred their familiy ??
Can the father of a female "worker" just sell her to you ??
*Really this is the kind of equivocation you think appropriate* ?? 🤢🤮
@@Brandon.Germany Exactly. God bless
Perfect timing posting this after the Alex o Conner and Ben Shapiro Debate.
I am a Christian and I think that Allen does a great job at explaining this hard topic, but after watching the video I have a question that I can’t get out of my mind. Allen said that God makes laws for things that he doesn’t condone, but that he knows that people with do anyway. If the people disobeyed God by having slaves, then wouldn’t they just disobey the laws that he made around having slaves as well?.It seems like the boundaries would just keep getting disobeyed and moved forward over and over again.
I have never seen slavery as a bad thing, since I come from Sweden 🇸🇪 and basically everyone in Sweden 🇸🇪 are a slave to the government.
Because no god made the laws. Man did. No god gave you a bible. Man did. God created the sun. Not a book.
Do you think the creator of the sun would be responsible for some mess like this?
Leviticus 25:44-46
New International Version
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
This is man
It is also worth mentioning that the whole Exodus narrative was about God freeing His people from Egyptian slavery. And also, Jesus said to the Jews, in John 8:36, "If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." (Read John 8:31-36, which speaks of slavery to sin and the freedom we receive in Christ). 1 Corinthians 7:22 KJV For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
WORSHIPPERS of SATAN the DEVIL BRING and CAUSE the SUFFERINGS, GRIEFS, PAINS, SICKNESS, and DEATHS of MANKIND
All arrogant, cruel, and merciless worshippers of Satan the Devil
who trick and deceive their own families and neighbors to -
1. mock and insult the Creator as unworthy and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God
2. reject Jesus Christ's Biblical authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead"
and believe instead the lies, falsehoods, and Unbiblical teachings and doctrines of the ANTI-CHRISTS about "Armageddon", "heaven and hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
are
obviously the liars, ungrateful, unkind, offensive and deceitful persons on earth
who
don't respect and value the lives and dignities of their co-human beings... shameless, remorseless, not bothered at all and just don't care even if their Satanic arrogance, hatred, lies, deceptions, cruelties, insulting and hurtful words and acts, ungratefulness, and hypocrisies
bring and cause the humiliations, degradations, sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and DEATHS of their co-human beings including that of their own families and neighbors.
ATHEISM, EVOLUTIONISM, SATANISM, and RELIGIOUS FANATICISM BRING and CAUSE the DISHONOR, DOWNFALL and ETERNAL DEATHS of MANKIND
Atheists, Evolutionists, Satanists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world
who don't respect and value the lives, dignities, and existence of their own families and neighbors
obviously
don't respect and value their own lives, dignities, and existence too.... remorseless, not bothered at all and just don't care even if their Satanic arrogance, hatred, mockeries, opposition, and defiance of the Creator's Sovereignty and his Christ's authority and teachings
bring them nothing but their own dishonor, disgrace, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever.
LOVING, KIND, and RESPECTFUL WORSHIPPERS of the CREATOR WILL LIVE and EXIST on EARTH FOREVER
Jesus Christ KNOWS
that all persons on earth who willingly submit to his authority and put their faith and hope in his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26
will
definitely be favored and honored by the loving, kind, and merciful Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth without liars, perverts, deceivers, traitors, and murderers as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4, 8.
The Creator KNOWS
that all human beings will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 and 9: 5, 6
but
he will not let his loving, kind, and respectful worshippers to remain as worthless dusts forever,
instead,
in the right and proper time and as written in John 11: 25, 26,
he will let Jesus Christ RESURRECT back to life all his worshippers who died recently and even thousands of years ago like Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Jacob, Moses, King David, Jesus Christ's followers, and many others
so
they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom
and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
What about unborn Baby Canaan and his unborn descendants being cursed into a lifetime of chattel slavery before they were even born? How does that work?
Leviticus 25:44-46
New International Version
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
This video was on point ‼️‼️
You’re on point with these vids. Had a cousin years ago hit me with this same accusation about the Bible supposedly allowing slavery (the whole lev 25:44-46 trap) and I didn’t really know how to counter it at the time. This helped a lot. At yet while some ppl get in their soapbox about Africans being slaves they seem to “forget” that
1) BLACK kings found much profit selling off their own kin overseas. Mansa musa is the wealthiest Africa king in history yet much of his wealth came from slavery
2) the first federally recognized slaveowner was a BLACK man named Anthony Johnson
3) there’s around 27 million slaves in the country of Africa alone….where are the protestors at?
Sorry dear but what has _"Black Kings selling their own kin"_ got to do with the clear immorality of slavery ?? WHATABOUTISM in no way negates the disgusting biblical instructions from a supposed PERFECT omnipotent omniscient omnibenevolent "loving" God 🤢🤮
I understand people think it shouldn't of been allowed at all and they're tired of hearing God has to work with and through imperfect people and bla bla bla but God has to respect to some degree that he gave mankind dominion over the earth, and knowing that we would do evil make provisions to help curb it. We all agree today that slavery in all forms is wrong but even without God it still exist, to me that says more about mankind than it does about God. " why doesn't he just stop it?" so you're telling me an adult man in this day and age doesn't know for himself that stealing a child is incredibly heinous and monstrous?
Nobody wants to be a slave. Nobody wants to be beaten. It's really simple. You think the Israelites didn't mind being slaves? Then why did they have to be freed from Egypt?
@@joshuabarnes7552 who are you talking to? Who said anybody wanted to be a slave ?
@@jovonbrowne3129 God doesn't have to work through anything. He's God. He can just say don't have slaves. Don't own ppl as property.
@@joshuabarnes7552 If God is all knowing then he knows what he’s doing by deciding to not be a dictator all the time but let’s say God doesn’t exist because he’s so bad we still had and currently have slavery. Now what ? Who you mad at now ? What justification do you have to be mad at now ? Will it only be wrong in some countries or all countries ? If it’s legal in some countries is it still wrong ?
@@jovonbrowne3129 Yes. Slavery would still be wrong, and it would still be wrong everywhere else.. Your Bible still condones it and was even used to justify American slavery. Society evolved passed that, but your bible did not. You're not making a good arguement. God was a dictator anyway. Do you even know what dictator means?
I tried to explain this to a militant atheist on deviantart, and he replied by blocking me from replying and made a few ad hominin attacks against me.
What about Canaan? What criminal activity or wrong doing did Canaan and his descendants do to be cursed into a life of chattel slavery before he was even born? How does that work?
This was something that was hard for me before I really took God serious. I used to use the as a reason to not believe in God
Back then people needed answers and God was it and now times has changed and people are less religious
everyone distorts scripture to say they don't wanna believe. but once they become humble and seek Truth only, it will always point to following Jesus.
@@run2cat4runwhen i take away water, people are thirsty, when i take away god, people are more religious
what you have said makes no sense, there would be MORE religious people if god showed his face
So the slave masters gives you a holy book that condones slavery. Do you think the Jew would accept a holy book from a Nazi that condones human ovens during the Holocaust?
Israel cried out to God as slaves in Egypt and that’s how their covenant with him as a nation began. They went back into captivity repeatedly by other nations for their rebellion against God as he told them would happen in Deut. 28. The Bible talks about how we as believers went from slaves of sin to slaves of righteousness, Romans 6:15-23. Everyone has a master, but you can’t serve them both. You either serve your master the devil or you serve your Master Jesus. God also used slavery against other nations too. Some of the wicked will go into captivity in the millennial reign.
Joel 3:1-8
Isaiah 14:1-4
Revelation 13:10
So much of this just doesn’t make sense.
Firstly, you admit that slavery was allowed in the Old Testament. Not indentured servitude, but slavery when you conquered a group in war. Then you go on to say that it is a GOOD thing, an act of mercy, to take the women into society and take slaves, granted that the Israelites didn’t kill everyone outright.
You say there are laws that address certain problems and this doesn’t mean God condones these actions but makes a law to limit or address these actions. Therefore, just because there are regulations to slavery, doesn’t mean God condones slavery, just like there are laws for beastiality. What is the law against beastiality? It’s death. Why didn’t God regulate beastiality? Why not make it so you can have sex with non-Hebrew animals rather than Hebrew animals? What about certain animals you can and some you can’t? Because beastiality no matter what is wrong.
What if we went to war in the Middle East and took them as property? Maybe take their wives so at least they will be taken good care of after we killed their husbands?
I understand the Old Testament was a different time, but then the Bible cannot be used as a mode of morality if it changes with the times. If we would not do what the Bible outlines today, then it is not objectively moral.
Amazing explanation. Thank you Allen for rightly dividing the word of truth 😊🙌🏾🌟💯👏🏾
God bless you and keep you and shine his face upon you😄
So instead of freeing the wife (if she has separate debt) along with the husband & forgiving the debt…the master takes the man as a slave for life? This still seems to be in the favor of the master & restricting the slave from being free even though the slave chooses it. If the option is loose my family because of debt instead of being free without them most would choose to remain. How is this still not a manipulation of a man’s life for the benefit of a master? Help me with that one?
I really believe that God sees slavery the same way he sees divorce. A thing that humans should not ever do or practice. I cannot explain why God 'condoned' it in the OT, but in 1 Timothy ch 1 it says that people who buy and sell slaves will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
@@FireflowerDancer As long as man is speaking on behalf of a god, man will make the god condone whatever the man wants to condone. Bible God was straight up about serving other gods but weak on slavery. That just tells me that the man speaking for the deity doesnt want people going to other men who speak on behalf of other deities but they can enslave each other. We are being played
@@whatshatnin4572 There's an idea. But who is 'we,' and whom are we being played by?
@@FireflowerDancer To paint with a wide brush I would say that the general public is being played by men who speak on behalf of a mute deity. But really Black Folks and Popr Folks are being played the most. The poorer you are the more you believe and the more you believe the less you know
@@whatshatnin4572 So you think essentially we as humans are being played by our own selves, then
The New Testament is clearly against slavery and war. The Old Testament is the Age of Law. The New Testament is the Age of Grace. No follower of Jesus in the Age of Grace should ever support war or slavery for any reason, as clearly taught below.
Jesus says he came "to set the captives free and to set at liberty those who are oppressed." --Luke 4
"If anyone has an ear, let him hear. He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints." -- Revelation 13: 9-10
"But Jesus said to him, 'Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.'" -- Matthew 26:52
He allegedly told them to buy swords in the first place, buddy. Even to sell their cloaks so they could buy the swords.
@@AtheismActually Jesus is clearly against slavery, war and other violence, as Revelation clearly says this (when the Bible says, "Anyone who has an ear, let them hear", what follows is of utmost importance):
"If anyone has an ear, let him hear. They who lead into captivity shall go into captivity; they who kill with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints."
If you read the passage you are referring to in context, Jesus says two swords are "sufficient" for an entire group of people. Jesus was cautiously allowing for self-defense, which is not the same as war. War involves group-think, peer pressure and obedience from the top down. War is always about taking wealth or protecting wealth or as quite often the case, both.
The Crusades for example, were not religious wars; they were fought over land, a form of wealth, the grand prize being Constantinople. Self-defense is protecting one's physical self. Self-defense is not protecting property or any other form of wealth, as the life of a person is far more valuable than property, regardless of what European or American capitalists think.
Jesus is a whole lot smarter and wiser than you, me or anyone else. May as well get used to it, because he sees right through your bullshit.
@@freedomtracksrecords4452 Per Christianity, "Jesus" is the same guy as the "God" of the Old Testament, who repeatedly ordered or committed mass slaughter and condoned enslavement, and is therefore accountable for all of those. Maybe "he got better", but that's neither very Godly nor qualifying for a gold standard or moral perfection.
@@AtheismActually Only God can wage righteous war. We humans cannot wage righteous war, which is why Jesus told us to put our swords away. Since the birth of Jesus, we now live in the age of grace, where there is no more righteous war until Jesus returns. The messengers of God ushered in the age of grace, singing "peace on earth, goodwill to the people".
Most modern Christians don't understand this, which is why in great error they blindly support American and other wars. Blaming God for what Christians do or what people in general do is very unwise, as we all make our own choices, while God reacts accordingly.
Thank you! This is the comment I was looking for!
Amen. Excellent break down
The scripture says different I wish he would stop with his bullshit lies. Shame on you you.
It's weaksauce. Dr Joshua Bowen has demolished all of this.
I had questiona about these verses, really God has blessed us with brother Allen
The usual lies from apologists. Carefully picking some verses and ignoring others.
This is a hard topic. My theory is that God does not complete justice in humanity until the New Heaven and New Earth. Until then, certain things are permitted. I.have to admit, it still makes me angry. And I have an honest question for Allen: would you be ok if you had been sold into slavery and your master was permitted to physically beat you? Would you really be ok with that? Would you not try to stop it somehow, you know, protest?
He did a good job of explaining it. How people are supposed to treat slaves. Some people went the extra mile, Wgy would God work around another human owning another? Well everything that happens in history happened for Jesus and to bring the eventual end. Maybe God is making us realise what humans did when they caused the curse, so that all the more we’d turn to Him? Seems likely. Anyways this wickedness will soon be over
You DO realize that your ENTIRE outlook on this subject is shaped by a culture shaped by the Bible, right? The ONLY reason slavery is not officially legal in most of the world is because the West, via gunboat diplomacy and colonial ventures, used physical and economic force to end it. In some of those places (particularly the Islamic world), they don’t question the morality of slavery at all, only its legality. You also live in a society with a police force and aren’t in danger of being dragged off to who knows where, a situation that Old Testament Israel and even the early church wasn’t in. Slavery was a fact of life. The question is not “is it wrong?” but “how do you deal with it?”. You just happen to live in a culture that decided that the simplest way to treat people as God commanded was to abolish slavery and were in a position to do so.
@@John-fk2ky My "entire outlook?" I don't know about that.
But that was very analytical of you to notice that a person's viewpoint might be influenced by the culture they grew up in. Personally, I have trouble imagining that any enslaved person would have found it to be an agreeable situation.
Quite easy to understand. The Bible was written 2000 years ago by men
@@CaptainFantastic222 That's no reason to think it's irrelevant, or do you say that about all ancient texts . .
Like the Egyptian book of the Dead, book of Enoch, Dead Sea Scrolls, for example? 😉
THERE IS NO "PROPER" WAY TO OWN PEOPLE!!!
Wasn’t ownership possession but possession by debt contract, hence redemption by Redeemer Christ. Redemption is buyback from DEBT (fin&sin).
Can you help explain to me about Leviticus 25:44-46? Because here’s my problem with this verse, the slaves are purchased by Israelites meaning the people who are giving them the slaves probably stole the slaves to sell them for money to the foreign lands, and the Israelites would buy them. So no the Israelites did not necessarily steal the slave but they most likely bought someone that was stolen. Also another problem I have with this verse is that it says you can keep them for life and give them to your children meaning it’s not up to the foreign slave whether he can leave his “master” or not. But for Israelites we read that in exodus 21:5 that Hebrew servants are allowed to make a decision on if they want to stay or not.(I know Allen talked about these verses)
This is not an attack on your religion just some confusion I have
Out of every verse/passage in the Bible, Leviticus 25:44-46 bothers me the most. I can honestly reconcile any other passage in the Bible, but these are difficult and I have not heard a good explanation, yet (including Allen's).
If God didn’t approve of slavery, he should have just abolished it. Not regulated it.
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Even if it was illegal people still would have done it, would you prefer it if He said "Don't do this" without any rules or regulations or if He gave you rules to abide by to make sure that slaves are treated as fellow people
@@mriamo5003 Crazy how he can speak on how to not cook a goat, but he cant say "Dont own another human"
Why couldn't God just say something as simple as _"Do NOT own other human beings as property?"_
You shall NOT eat shellfish.
You shall NOT wear mixed fabrics.
These were simple for God, yet He couldn't condemn owning other people as property that can be owned as property for life and be passed down as inherited property? Instead, He got it backwards and _endorsed_ it.
What a useless God.
If an objective moral authority figure doesn’t explicitly state that an action is unlawful, how can anyone safely assume that it is? The fact is that from the Biblical worldview slavery can still be practiced today under biblical guidelines.
Peace be with you, Brother Allen. Blessed belated birthday by the way.
Do you believe it is true Black people are Canaanites or just a cop out from slave owners?
I don’t get this at all. If he’s all loving and compassionate, he could have just said “THOU SHALT NOT OWN SLAVES”, but he didn’t. This entire video feels like a reach.
Like he said “Thou shalt not murder?”, “Thou shalt not steal?” Unfortunately people still do these things, that’s why God gave us laws to help deal with those who do.
@@shamus_d_campbell But at least he said dont kill and dont steal and dont eat shrimp.. Why couldnt he at least say dont enslave folks. IN fact he shows us how to enslave foreigners and their children.
The Bible is not taking about chattle slavery
Of course it is. Read Leviticus 25:44-46 and try to distinguish it from chattel slavery.
Uh yes it is😂
I don’t agree with the message of the video, but I give Allen props for showing grace when I was rude. He was a class act when I wasn’t
Man I love how professional your videos are. I can tell that you have prepared well. God/Christ is using you. Keep doing this work bro. You are a information. Very helpful inspiration. So true
The Good News? There is no slavery in God’s Kingdom, nor was there slavery in His original design. Humans were/are given free will and we continue to dishonor God’s Perfect Will. Please forgive us, Father.
The TRUTH remains the same..
The Satanic arrogance and foolishness of arrogant, cruel, and merciless Atheists, Evolutionists, Satanists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Baptists, Catholics, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world
in raising, glorifying, and exalting themselves as greater, powerful, intelligent, glorious, higher and superior than the Creator and his Christ
will definitely bring them nothing but their own dishonor, disgrace, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever
while
the submissiveness of loving, kind, and respectful persons to the authority of Jesus Christ and obedience to his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead"
will
definitely bring them honor and the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness and death on a safe and peaceful earth without arrogant, cruel, and merciless persons, without liars, deceivers, slanderers, hypocrites, traitors, and murderers.
Loving, kind, and respectful worshippers of the Creator will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths
but
not worthless dusts forever,
instead,
in the Creator's right and proper time,
worshippers of the Creator who died recently and even thousands of years ago like Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Jacob, Moses, King David, Jesus Christ's followers, and many others
will all be RESURRECTED back to life by Jesus Christ so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist forever on a safe and peaceful earth
and
fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
Bad news we have no free will. Just ask any Calvinist
that’s like a police officer saying you can do ANYTHING you like then arresting you for jaywalking...
Slavery back then was for sure different than slavery of the colonials era
Only for Israelites. For the surrounding nations it was chattel slavery.
@@horridhenry9920 your trying so hard to make a point that isn’t there you can continue with your propaganda and none sense. No one is going to believe you. It would better if you got over your need to reply to everyone if this is the same person from before because we know the Bible doesn’t state what your claiming and your just using it as a excuse. Learn the actual meanings of the Bible rather then making them up so you can use them for propaganda.
Bullshit
And both are wrong and immoral
As Dr Joshua Bowen likes to say in response to such comparisons, "So?". Slavery is slavery, period.
Please pastor allan make some video about first fruit. I would love if you Reply back
Great video. I'm still somewhat confused about Leviticus 25:44-46. So, a Hebrew master may buy a gentile slave and can keep that slave for life, even passing the slave down as inherited property? Is this only allowed during war time? Any feedback would be great. God bless!
Don’t be confused. It’s chattel slavery. The passage says they could buy the slaves from the nations around them. No difference from the transatlantic slave trade.
@@horridhenry9920 No it's not. Apparently, you don't know how to read the bible and have ignored all the verses in Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy. You probably didn't even watch the video.
@@horridhenry9920why are you spamming everyone get a life?
@@Disciple793 I watched the video up to the point where Allen started to plug his course. Did I miss something?
It’s funny how I can read every other book, but I have to know how to read the Bible.
I ignored nothing. The reality is that indentured servitude was widely practiced among the Israelites. However the Israelites were able to buy slaves from the nations around them, they were able to make sex slaves of the little girls of the nations they conquered.
No difference from chattel slavery.
@@horridhenry9920that’s such an old tired argument no they weren’t allowed to take the little girls and make sex slaves 🙄
I'm a beleiver but why does God allow demons to hurt and torment me? I ask him and he never responds to this but he answers my other questions i still feel his love but sometimes its so hard bcus demons attack me alot and i can feel them and its hard to sleep sometimes bcus they wake me up in a scary way why Yahweh allows this it makes me depressed and i dont know what to do sometimes but i wana be raptured sooo bad it makes me so sad being here i wana go home so bad i hate being here i feel uncomfortable all the time 😢i just wana be home i feel trapped here
you might need to see a doctor, you probably have schizophrenia
The closer you get with God the more the enemy attacks to try to make you stray away. You NEED to start praying consistently against the attacks of the enemy and of all workers of darkness. Praying during fasting is much more effective. How long have you been a believer if you dont mind me asking? Are you opening yourself up to demons through certain sin, music, movies, demonic items innyour house like statues and idols, unrepentantance, unforgivness? Ive had so many demonic attacks from extreme temptation to dreams and extreme anger but each time thanks to the grace of God, ive gotten back up more stronger than ever in the Lord. Remember that a righteous man may fall seven times but he gets back up again. Jesus Christ loves you so deeply.
i think you should see a doctor “god” isn’t going to help you
@@user-fs3hs4xb6c you’re disgusting, there is no “enemy” we have free will no? this man is clearly ill, talking to himself isn’t going to make it better
Demons don’t exist
A black man justifying slavery from a book that he got from his slave master. Man this is extremely weak
Yes . The slave master had a kjv bible. As you say very weak arguments in there
Slave master? It were the Christian’s who fought against slavery during the civil war.
Btw, black people being slaves isn’t restricted to their race. Every single race has been slaves during history, so why are you stereotyping him as one based on his skin color? Because you still act like one in mind? Disgusting
They gave us a slave Bible not the Holy Bible. Do your homework
@@pastorterrelllewis5327 That's not true. They version was only pushed for a second. They gave us the bible for hundreds of years
You have the Word now, what are you doing with it? Word being yes Jesus
U go preacher!! Hell has enlarged itself. So many slave holders if they did not repent hv face God Judgement!!
Brother Allen Please make commentaries or content about the movie “Leave the world Behind”
We are happy to be slaves to Jesus and the Good News🌈🌠
Jesus believes in equality
@@run2cat4run Yes, we're equally fallen. All are slaves to sin, or slaves to Jesus. 🎇✨ Have a great weekend
That rainbow has 6 colors, be careful
@@Aiden-ZWhat does that mean, if you don't mind me asking?
@@FireflowerDancer alphabet community, which is in complete defiance against God and His Word, not just you know (trying to not get into trouble). I’m sure you’re not actually trying to support though. Just to let you know, God’s rainbow has 7 colors, just so you can spot the difference! Hope you have a blessed day!
The Bible was also rewritten many times … and the King James Version is the version the slave traders gave us
You should never accept a god from man and for sure never slave master..
Revelation 2:25-28
[25]But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
[26]And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
[27]And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
[28]And I will give him the morning star.
Revelation 13:9-10
[9]If any man have an ear, let him hear.
[10]He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
How can anyone think the Bible condones slavery when an entire book of the Bible is dedicated to the freeing of the Hebrew slaves?
Because it does. Have you read Leviticus 25:44-46?
@@horridhenry9920 your trying so hard to make a point that isn’t there you can continue with your propaganda and none sense. No one is going to believe you. It would better if you got over your need to reply to everyone if this is the same person from before because we know the Bible doesn’t state what your claiming and your just using it as a excuse. Learn the actual meanings of the Bible rather then making them up so you can use them for propaganda.
@@horridhenry9920yep, that verse shocked the heck out of me when I really read it for the first time. I had read through the bible every year for a decade before I actually stopped and understood that verse. It was the first step in my deconstruction. There's no way to translate that verse as anything other than permanent chattel slavery.
@@jeremytencza6107 I agree 100%. But as we both know, there are many who translate it to mean indentured servitude.
Because it sets Hebrew slaves free. Meaning taking gentile ones was fine and dandy. Coentext context context
The mentale gymnastics to justify the unjustifiable
Unreal !
Allen - This was well done! Skeptics and Atheists see slavery the same way as in America's past and it's just not the same thing. Great use of verses.
Whats the difference?
America slave past was directly caused by the bible, it was seen as a morally right action approved by god. So the real slavers disagree with you here
Slave owners made slave bible which uses many bible verses on slavery
I've never saw someone address this issue. Thanks for this. God bless you brother
I expect a yes or no answer. God knew these things would happen but he couldn't say "hey, don't own another human being" right?
God was capable of saying don't bear false witness, don't get tatoos, etc... but owning slaves was something he had to "allow" and "manage". Brilliant. Oh and by "God" I mean Yahweh, since there were many Gods.
These people really think he ate in this video. Shits garbage.
This is a great point. I've come to realize ain't nothin' we can do or say about what GOD does so I just leave it alone. Eat my good food. Try to happy. And stay out the way cause this life is crazy as I don't know what.
Funny how many times God did a mass killings because his followers didn’t believe in him in the Old Testament
@@run2cat4runThat doesn't give people a right to do mass killings. People are not GOD.
If you look around you today, we still have slavery. It is only called with a different term. We work under bosses who can extract a lot of work from us while the pay is meagre. We work 7 days a week with no holiday in between. With the little money that we’ve got, we buy things so that our wives can make food at home. It may not be true in a developed country like the US, but it still exists in other parts of the world today. Not everyone “fights for their rights” or has an “association” to defend them. If they did, they would lose the only means to provide for their families.
So why does this form of slavery exist? Not because the “master” wanted to enslave them, but because the poor wanted some job to earn a living. If you ask why God allowed that to happen, it is because God cursed man that he has to work the earth and “eat the food by the sweat of his brow”. All of us need to work to earn the food we eat. But why do these inequalities exist? That is because not everyone is blessed the same way. The ideal thing to do is to raise their standard of living, but what happens until then?
God knowing this very thing, gave them laws as to how to handle this situation. And Jesus knowing the heart of God, raised this to a whole new standard when He said, “treat the ones under you as you would love to be treated yourself”. This summarizes how we ought to treat one another, whether slaves, colleagues or bosses.
You are a damage control agent. This time the nade you a black plant.
forgive my ignorance but you said the one about if the slave got a wife from their master while a slave, then the explanation is that the woman is still serving her time so, she can't leave with someone who has served their time completely, but when you read further, it says if the man loves his wife and decides to wait for her, then he'll get his ears pierced and serve "forever", not for the time remaining for his wife to serve, so, is it really waiting for his wife to serve her time that's the reason he can't leave with her? or is it because(as it says), she's the master's property not the husband's
Leviticus 25:44-46
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves FOR LIFE , BUT... you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly ( You cannot own an Israelite for life. only non Israelites can be owned for life).
Sounds like chattel slavery to me
If God didn't want that to happen, he would make it illegal. The same for idolatry. God didn't allow idolatry regardless of the reasons, no excuses. But things were different for slavery, God legalized slavery and human owning other humans.
In the Old Testament God was fine with incest and polygamy
You could say the same thing about anything. But you need to remember that human beings are evil and that there is free will. There are passages in scripture about how God freed the Israelites from oppressive slavery. Also, if God was so supportive of oppressing people, why was there a slave bible? They took out most verses about freeing the oppressed so the slaves wouldn’t use scripture as a basis to revolt.
At the same time, sometimes bad things are legalized because people are straight up evil. We live in a world where people would rather do wrong than right. Like how I feel about certain forms of abortion. Killing a child is wrong but it’s legalized. So what, God agrees with it because it’s legal? No. This entire life is about whether you can do the wrong or right thing, with God as judge in the end where the world will be perfect and free from any kind of slavery or abortion. But you have to be the one to choose to make your heart ready and turn towards him. Repent! You can be at the front, urging people to do the right thing for God’s kingdom 🙏🏾
@@run2cat4runno it wasn't dont lie on Gods word
Humans have free will. Humans legalized slavery, God allowed it.
@@run2cat4runhe was not fine with it. That is not true. Did you listen to the above video and comprehend it?
This is the most stale boring argument against Christianity that I can find. Unfortunately slavery has always been in the world, I believe there are more slaves today than ever worldwide. The slave trade in America had exactly zero to do with any slavery references in the OT
Did God allow slaves to be beaten?
@@exaucemayunga22Get on your knees and ask him. Everything changed after Jesus came.
It's less of an argument against Christianity and more of an argument against the perfect morality/justice of the Christian god.
I don't think it's stale at all - if a holy book presents the supposedly perfect creator of the universe as decreeing no punishment for keeping slaves and beating them in certain ways, isn't that an impossible and relevant thing to consider?
Christians can tend to get bogged down in whether or not the slavery of the OT was similar to the slavery of the American South, but that just misses the point.
@45TIMES Good point too. Everything changed after Jesus came. He did away with all that.
They did misuse the Bible to do evil things. They did it in a twisted way.
Have to listen again, maybe missed it, but I still don't know why an owner goes unpunished when killing his slave...in the first verse. That part I still don't get. I do want it to be clear, for myself but more for evangelism purposes. Bless
I don't understand the new testament verses about slaves being submissive to their masters even if treated badly. Do you have any thoughts on that and why the onus was on the slaves to submit to this? It seems that instruction would discourage them trying to escape
Yessss its scary tbh
Just my thoughts. In a different place Paul tells slaves to be free if they can. (I Cor. 7:21)
So, I believe this passage is talking to slaves who were absolutely stuck in a Roman system of slavery.
The main thing all Christians are called to is showing Christ to the lost. The slave is being told to be more concerned for their master’s salvation than themselves. To surprise the master with good and sincerely kind behavior even though the master didn’t deserve it. In doing this, they might be a witness for Christ who also was kind to those who didn’t deserve it.
Okay, let’s back up a second and look at the practicalities, starting with Christianity as a whole. First, encouraging running away would put Christianity in a bad legal light. Second, it would endanger Christian slaves throughout the empire. Third, part of being a Christian is being a witness to the world, and running away means that you can’t do that with your master or other slaves.
As for the slave himself or herself, you’re suggesting a course of action that might be WORSE for the slave than staying. Rome controlled everything touching the Mediterranean and quite a bit beyond it. To truly escape rather than spend the rest of his or her life as a fugitive, a slave would have to run away from the pinnacle of civilization in the west (China being its eastern counterpart) and flee to where, exactly? What’s now Scotland or Ireland? Germany? Those areas were highly tribal and in the latter case might sell you back to Rome for some wine. Anywhere else you might care to go would be similarly likely to seize you. That’s not even counting the likelihood that you will not know the local language or meet anyone that knows yours. The only other option is to live as a bandit, and your career will likely be short and end with a gladius in your stomach. This is not the antebellum South where you can run across a border and be free while living in a similar culture. There’s simply nowhere TO go. Given all that, Paul’s giving the best advice he can for slaves in general. If the situation is truly unbearable, there actually were legal remedies in the empire. They wouldn’t get you free, but they would get you away from a particularly bad owner. If you’re present so you can actually hear the letter being read (which is what would happen at meetings; copies were circulated between churches beyond the original recipients for teaching purposes), then since you’re among believers go ask for help. One of the richer ones might be able to buy you, and then you’d be safe.
@@John-fk2ky Do you think that what Harriet Tubman did with the underground railroad was right? Should she have remained submissive or was helping to organize an escape route for black slaves the right thing to do?
@@branver1172 That actually makes a lot of sense. I don't have an answer for why God allowed it as part of the global system, but I agree that IF a believer was unfortunate enough to be enslaved, their attitude towards their master could be a witness. The master would see how selflessly the believer served them and it might lead them to understand God's love a little better.
The first thing to consider when talking to someone who is an atheist is that it is Spiritual war
No. That is a copout to allow wiggle room to explain these concepts.
@@snlescaille When a nonbeliever asks a believer for historical evidence of a talkin snake and the believer says it's a spiritual thang; that my friend Is a copout
Spirits don’t exist lmao