You could fit a chest freezer in there, have room for a moose or a couple of elk and make ice in camp instead of dealing with big heavy ice chests. Or you could load up your offset pipe smoker and cook for a crowd at camp if you have some help loading and offloading it! Kinda cozy in that bed up front, but I do love my wife! I like it!
Probably the biggest oversight I’ve noted on there is no 12v outlet. We dry camp a lot in my side of the country, and being able to plug in a small true sine inverter to run the TV is nice. Fortunately, easy to add.
As you mentioned it's easy to add. The lack of 12v outlets is a simple reflection of the basic trim package found on this "SE" series. Freedom Express has 3 Trim levels "SE" -> Simple, smart, and streamlined "Ultralite" -> main market ultralite "Liberty Edition" -> Adds fancy stuff (also known as Maple Leaf Edition for canadian clients) Not all models are available in all trim levels.
Yeah. Not as easy to add wiring with the bonded foam construction but the power wires to the awning motor are accessible by pulling the 110 outlet. They are heavy enough gauge and fused at 15a, so they can support reasonable loads on a 12v socket. Simple enough to wire another one by the head of the sofa/bed, as the furnace grille was and power distribution panel provide good access. Also wish they would have gone with low profile ac. Parkability in a shop, carport, or whatever I think is a big draw for this type.
Been researching this one for a temp solution for hunting this year...my only complaint so far is I wish the sink was near the bed instead of the stove...I like bacon...bacon grease goes everywhere lol
No pricing on your website. I like this unit, perfect for adding a sewing studio. Can some kind of legs be added to the rear door to make it level/patio like?
Just arrived -- boss hasn't added it to the pricing file. I update our site by-the-hour. I'll have it published as soon as it's available. *REGARDING PATIO:* I had intended to discuss that in the video and obviously got distracted by all the other features of the RV. This little series cannot have a industry-common patio added from the factory or after market. The door is not structured for it and no supplier builds a ramp patio that size. Theoretically you could put some pedestals below the ramp, but will lack the patio gate system.
Oh, I’m glad it has a double axel. I just watched someone else’s video on the wolf pup toyhauler, but it only had one axle & I wondered about carrying the weight of toy so far back from axel.
The Short wheel base on that Pup means you're always pretty much loading everything above the axle. Not everybody is loading an ATV either. Plenty of kayakers and eBikers out there.
The sink update in this year is nice. I’ll be curious to see if a future year finally gets a flush-mounted stove as well. I’d also prefer some more closed cabinet storage instead of just that long net over the sofa. Will definitely join the common chorus wishing that small THs like this and the Geo Pros still offered the option of a ramp patio system - manufacturers need to figure out how to make that happen. I prefer a forward position for the entry door that some others have (so you can get to the bed without crawling over whatever’s in the garage), but the dual axles are nice on this one.
I've seen so many RVs I just can't remember which got what new features until they roll in. I'll get some updated footage as soon as I can get my hands on one of these
You can contact pretty much any Coachmen dealer's parts department to make the request. You'll need a VIN of an RV that has the exact part you want. When I make these videos we'll sell multiple copies of an RV, so I cannot guarantee this VIN will work but 5ZT2FEFB1LW011411 SHOULD get you what you're seeking unless I'm mistaken. That's a copy of one of the 5 of these we sold this recent year
I may have failed to show it here (I cannot recall as I record so many videos), but this includes a magnet on/off bug screen that's super easy to put up/down/stow. Has a central zipper for quick pass thrus as well
@@JoshtheRVNerd There is a magnetic one but I liked the pull down style better, minor thing. Really trying to navigate the offerings in small toy hauler RVs and appreciate your detailed videos and information. The KZ 180TH, the Coachman17BLSE, Octane 161, Geo Pro 19.1 are all the sort of things I've looked at. Right now I think its the KZ 180 vs the Coachman 17BLSE. The Octane lacks storage, the KZ seems a little more basic bit one axle and two tires from a maintenance and care POV seems a little easier. Conversely the Coachman with tow nicer. Tow vehicle is a F150 3.5EB so no issues with either. No idea how the two companies compare from a quality perspective and the overall ease of use and ownership. Thoughts?
@@thegan9143 Understand we represent most, but not all of those brands. We're inherently in a bias position. I tend not to offer comparisons for brands we don't carry as they can only feel negative and I don't like that type of salesmanship. I will say we've gone FAR out of our way to showcase the high points of the brands we carry. if someone else cannot do the same for a product they represent, then either the product lacks those redeeming qualities or the staff shouldn't earn your business. Each product represents a different market point. Sometimes a brand is lighter weight or less money. I encourage you to ask "Why?" to those things and often you'll discover which RV is the best for you.
@@JoshtheRVNerd That's a very fair answer and on reflection I should have asked my question differently and focused more on the practicality and benefits of one over the other. The Coachman for example offers storage, the Octane doesn't have much. The front bed models means I can keep toys inside and secure at night if I wish and the floor layout of say the grey pup limits the cargo area where I'd want to put 2 or 3 motorbikes. - Unrelated question but should you ever haul a trailer with full water tanks?
@@thegan9143 We don't recommend hauling with full tanks. A small amount of water for service during a quick stop shouldn't pose an issue however. Try to fill up near your destination so you're doing as little towing with full tank(s) as possible.
Josh I know this video is a bit older but I am curious if you can hang things on the wall being that it is an aluminum cage? Im thinking a small medicine cabinet in the bathroom. Appreciate all of your amazing videos!!
Generally you cannot. There needs to be something in the wall for screwed a bite into. As a laminated won’t like this if a manufacturer did not account for something being on the wall, then there’s nothing but Styrofoam basically in the walls for a screw which won’t hold well
@@JoshtheRVNerd First of all, thank you so much for answering. You are the benchmark to which every RV person should be measured. I thought that was the answer. Thanks again. Gonna go for the greywolf 18RR!!
It took me a minute to realize you were referring to the entry door. I'm over here trying to google up a crazy toy hauler with FRONT GARAGE DOOR lololol Needless to say.. I figured it out.
I don’t have a list of dimensions by model for haulers to reference for you. if we have one on hand, then our folks can measure stuff up for you or get specs from the factory
Hello. By any chance do you have a parts number for that magnetic back screen? I'm trying to get one for my trailer here in Canada and I have a very hard time finding the screen... Thank you very much .
Hi Oscar! This video is a few years old and there's a lot in the background. Chances are I do have a video on it but I'm not sure which unit you might be referencing. Do you have a minute marker I could check? If you type something like 12:34 then youtube makes it a link to that spot in the video. Makes it easy to check
I like the idea. I think the answer is likely "Because they don't use a convection elsewhere." RV Companies have a massive number of parts to manage. They try not to add more where avoiding it is possible. Not saying that makes for the best RV in every case. Simply offering some insight for the question.
@@JoshtheRVNerd yeah I guess that's true. They try to razzle dazzle us with 'fancy' interiors hoping we don't notice that they actually just cheap out wherever possible. Of course these things can all be added after market. I'd much rather have a solid body, frame and working elements rather than something pretty that will have problems to be repaired.
It depends on which point is being measured since there are several potential "walls" in the way. Give our team a call at 800-256-5196 & they can capture the specific measurements that might be relevant to whatever it is you're loading!
You could fit a chest freezer in there, have room for a moose or a couple of elk and make ice in camp instead of dealing with big heavy ice chests. Or you could load up your offset pipe smoker and cook for a crowd at camp if you have some help loading and offloading it! Kinda cozy in that bed up front, but I do love my wife! I like it!
That's some AWESOME input right there. Love it.
Probably the biggest oversight I’ve noted on there is no 12v outlet. We dry camp a lot in my side of the country, and being able to plug in a small true sine inverter to run the TV is nice. Fortunately, easy to add.
As you mentioned it's easy to add. The lack of 12v outlets is a simple reflection of the basic trim package found on this "SE" series. Freedom Express has 3 Trim levels
"SE" -> Simple, smart, and streamlined
"Ultralite" -> main market ultralite
"Liberty Edition" -> Adds fancy stuff (also known as Maple Leaf Edition for canadian clients)
Not all models are available in all trim levels.
Yeah. Not as easy to add wiring with the bonded foam construction but the power wires to the awning motor are accessible by pulling the 110 outlet. They are heavy enough gauge and fused at 15a, so they can support reasonable loads on a 12v socket.
Simple enough to wire another one by the head of the sofa/bed, as the furnace grille was and power distribution panel provide good access.
Also wish they would have gone with low profile ac. Parkability in a shop, carport, or whatever I think is a big draw for this type.
@@JoshtheRVNerd Is this 17BLSE type available in the Ultralite or Liberty trim levels?
Great toy hauler. Perfect for the bear necessities on those trips to have fun w/your Motor bike, ATV, or whatever toy you ride 😎😎😎
Agreed Ty
I REALLY dig the 2020 Freedom Express exterior skin change.
Why would they put the two burner stove by the bed grease pops and would be all over the bed
I really like this Toy hauler. I wish they would have put a wet bath in it for more interior space and bed access.
Been researching this one for a temp solution for hunting this year...my only complaint so far is I wish the sink was near the bed instead of the stove...I like bacon...bacon grease goes everywhere lol
yes it does
No pricing on your website. I like this unit, perfect for adding a sewing studio. Can some kind of legs be added to the rear door to make it level/patio like?
Just arrived -- boss hasn't added it to the pricing file. I update our site by-the-hour. I'll have it published as soon as it's available.
*REGARDING PATIO:* I had intended to discuss that in the video and obviously got distracted by all the other features of the RV. This little series cannot have a industry-common patio added from the factory or after market. The door is not structured for it and no supplier builds a ramp patio that size.
Theoretically you could put some pedestals below the ramp, but will lack the patio gate system.
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thank you, Josh. I appreciate your reply!
Oh, I’m glad it has a double axel. I just watched someone else’s video on the wolf pup toyhauler, but it only had one axle & I wondered about carrying the weight of toy so far back from axel.
The Short wheel base on that Pup means you're always pretty much loading everything above the axle. Not everybody is loading an ATV either. Plenty of kayakers and eBikers out there.
Perfect hunting camper
The sink update in this year is nice. I’ll be curious to see if a future year finally gets a flush-mounted stove as well. I’d also prefer some more closed cabinet storage instead of just that long net over the sofa. Will definitely join the common chorus wishing that small THs like this and the Geo Pros still offered the option of a ramp patio system - manufacturers need to figure out how to make that happen. I prefer a forward position for the entry door that some others have (so you can get to the bed without crawling over whatever’s in the garage), but the dual axles are nice on this one.
I've seen so many RVs I just can't remember which got what new features until they roll in. I'll get some updated footage as soon as I can get my hands on one of these
Hey Josh, can you get me a part number and price on the food grade cutting board that goes over the stove? Or do I need to contact Coachmen?
You can contact pretty much any Coachmen dealer's parts department to make the request. You'll need a VIN of an RV that has the exact part you want. When I make these videos we'll sell multiple copies of an RV, so I cannot guarantee this VIN will work but 5ZT2FEFB1LW011411 SHOULD get you what you're seeking unless I'm mistaken. That's a copy of one of the 5 of these we sold this recent year
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thank you!
Needs patio cables.
This great for elderly with motor wheelchair or a disable person. Veterans with desire to have a little taste of nature. Sales pitch.🤔
Is a pull down bug screen available? I'm thinking of the ones in a track the self retract and roll up. Also is there a patio option?
I may have failed to show it here (I cannot recall as I record so many videos), but this includes a magnet on/off bug screen that's super easy to put up/down/stow. Has a central zipper for quick pass thrus as well
@@JoshtheRVNerd There is a magnetic one but I liked the pull down style better, minor thing. Really trying to navigate the offerings in small toy hauler RVs and appreciate your detailed videos and information. The KZ 180TH, the Coachman17BLSE, Octane 161, Geo Pro 19.1 are all the sort of things I've looked at. Right now I think its the KZ 180 vs the Coachman 17BLSE. The Octane lacks storage, the KZ seems a little more basic bit one axle and two tires from a maintenance and care POV seems a little easier. Conversely the Coachman with tow nicer. Tow vehicle is a F150 3.5EB so no issues with either. No idea how the two companies compare from a quality perspective and the overall ease of use and ownership. Thoughts?
@@thegan9143 Understand we represent most, but not all of those brands. We're inherently in a bias position. I tend not to offer comparisons for brands we don't carry as they can only feel negative and I don't like that type of salesmanship.
I will say we've gone FAR out of our way to showcase the high points of the brands we carry. if someone else cannot do the same for a product they represent, then either the product lacks those redeeming qualities or the staff shouldn't earn your business.
Each product represents a different market point. Sometimes a brand is lighter weight or less money. I encourage you to ask "Why?" to those things and often you'll discover which RV is the best for you.
@@JoshtheRVNerd That's a very fair answer and on reflection I should have asked my question differently and focused more on the practicality and benefits of one over the other. The Coachman for example offers storage, the Octane doesn't have much. The front bed models means I can keep toys inside and secure at night if I wish and the floor layout of say the grey pup limits the cargo area where I'd want to put 2 or 3 motorbikes. - Unrelated question but should you ever haul a trailer with full water tanks?
@@thegan9143 We don't recommend hauling with full tanks. A small amount of water for service during a quick stop shouldn't pose an issue however. Try to fill up near your destination so you're doing as little towing with full tank(s) as possible.
Price?
Available nearby.
Josh I know this video is a bit older but I am curious if you can hang things on the wall being that it is an aluminum cage? Im thinking a small medicine cabinet in the bathroom. Appreciate all of your amazing videos!!
Generally you cannot. There needs to be something in the wall for screwed a bite into. As a laminated won’t like this if a manufacturer did not account for something being on the wall, then there’s nothing but Styrofoam basically in the walls for a screw which won’t hold well
@@JoshtheRVNerd First of all, thank you so much for answering. You are the benchmark to which every RV person should be measured. I thought that was the answer. Thanks again. Gonna go for the greywolf 18RR!!
What size AC and fan does it have? hard to tell from video but looks like only one fan in bathroom.
13.5K A/C & Conventional 4" fans. Easily upgraded to something larger. This is a basic equipment-sort-of series.
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thanks
I don't understand the entry door being in the rear on these little ones. Whitewater has a 819 that has an upfront entry door.
It took me a minute to realize you were referring to the entry door. I'm over here trying to google up a crazy toy hauler with FRONT GARAGE DOOR lololol
Needless to say.. I figured it out.
Dimensions? Need to know if my small side by side will fit
I don’t have a list of dimensions by model for haulers to reference for you. if we have one on hand, then our folks can measure stuff up for you or get specs from the factory
Does the bedroom window open or just an emergency exit. Does it have a screen.
Emergency Exit that opens for airflow with screen
Can a railing and cables be added for a patio?
Not on this one
Guess no option for making the ramp into a deck/patio?
Not offered on this one -- I'd definitely add it if I could
Hello.
By any chance do you have a parts number for that magnetic back screen?
I'm trying to get one for my trailer here in Canada and I have a very hard time finding the screen...
Thank you very much .
I do not have access to anything like part #’s for units like that. Sorry
Josh,will you show the blue color travel trailer near by at some time?..😮
Hi Oscar! This video is a few years old and there's a lot in the background. Chances are I do have a video on it but I'm not sure which unit you might be referencing.
Do you have a minute marker I could check? If you type something like 12:34 then youtube makes it a link to that spot in the video. Makes it easy to check
12:45 - 12:55
it is next to a Cougar
travel trailer..thank you..I didn't realized the video was from
2 years back..sorry!
@@oscartejero3634 No worries! I actually DO have a video on that one! Here you go! bit.ly/3MdEaVl
Can you put a Polaris ranger side by side in any of these smaller toy haulers?
Contact our team with some measurements of your SXS (since they can vary quite a bit) and we'll measure to verify.
Why cheap out with just a microwave? Why not a convection microwave?
I like the idea. I think the answer is likely "Because they don't use a convection elsewhere." RV Companies have a massive number of parts to manage. They try not to add more where avoiding it is possible.
Not saying that makes for the best RV in every case. Simply offering some insight for the question.
@@JoshtheRVNerd yeah I guess that's true. They try to razzle dazzle us with 'fancy' interiors hoping we don't notice that they actually just cheap out wherever possible. Of course these things can all be added after market. I'd much rather have a solid body, frame and working elements rather than something pretty that will have problems to be repaired.
I want a front to back queen bed open floor plan and fit a 17ft aluminum canoe
Having trouble picturing this. Front to back queen bed? Could you clarify? Perhaps we have some options for you
Anymore coming in?
Yes we have some on order but I don’t have a good idea of when they will be arriving currently
What is the usable size of the garage
It depends on which point is being measured since there are several potential "walls" in the way. Give our team a call at 800-256-5196 & they can capture the specific measurements that might be relevant to whatever it is you're loading!
our can-am is a 2up, it's approximately 8' long and 4' wide, is there room in the garage for mine
Give our team a call at 800-256-5196 & they'll get her measured up for you!
@@JoshtheRVNerd ok, thank-you
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Ovens never make sense in a trailer to me.
And in some periods of the country where people really like to make biscuits for breakfast you almost have to have them.
I am not an oven user in an rv personally though
This is the one
You can get more info on them here bit.ly/2RGUYHp
No back deck? 👎🏻
LOT of people had a similar feeling. I shared a TON of this feedback with their team in hopes they find an option for a mini patio in the 2023 models
So dumb to waste 4 feet of a small toy hauler on a bed.