I still have my surface pro 2017 and it runs like a charm till this day, I used photoshop with ease and sometimes play video games on it too. Bought it when it first came out so 5-6 years later and it runs strong.
Thanks for the video, makes me feel better about my decision to ask for a Surface Pro 8 from Santa this year. I used both Windows & Macs for years in my work as tech support but I've always preferred Windows; so I'm happy to hear MS made a great tablet sized computer. The battery life may not be an issue for me as I usually find myself at a desk anyway but the mobility will be great.
This is basically my experience - I have a macbook pro for work and a big desktop rig for projects and play, but the Pro 8 is the computer I have in my bag and so gets a lot of use. It's not the *best* at anything really (except maybe inking, which I do quite a lot). My other computers would do most things better, I'm sure. But I've got the Surface with me most of the time, and it's amazing to see what you can do on it when you have to.
What/\? Where have you been throughout my life??? This is the first video I have watched from you and I loved it! You have a super chill voice, I love that you interact with coments and your whole method and organization to make this video! Cheers
My SP8 also does it all. There may be better UX's for tablets but for me it checks all the boxes. More importantly, it is great for writing, a great laptop and between 9 and 5 the i7 shows itself a true workhorse in parametric 3D modelling.
Great video! Concerning the wireless keyboard connector, mine still works but only when plugged in as the battery is dead. I guess you have tried to do same and didn't work with yours (maybe the battery is even "more" dead...😅). Even a couple of years ago when I tried to find a replacement unit, it was hard to find any.... (I only found some in Canada, but they didn't ship to Europe). Concerning stand-by, I have this issue with all surface devices and most Windows devices, so I use hybernation.... Concening Windows on ARM, the performance of the SQ3 (8cX gen 3) seems to be in line with 10th gen Intel in general, but because of the emulation sometimes the device will hang a few seconds here and there... I am looking forward to you reviewing it in the pro 9... I wish Microsoft put the same chip on the Go, so that, in addition to more power, we could have iPad-like battery life, but knowing Microsoft they think small = low end, contrary to Apple, which put the M1 even in the iPad Air... Concerning the pro 8, my first wish would be something to avoid accidental touches, this ruins my experience on the Tab S8 ultra, can only imagine how bad it must be on the pro 8 when used as a tablet... Also would love for them to have screws to open it and change the battery, like my HP Elite surface clone. Battery swelling is an issue, it killed my surface 3 (non pro) and had to replace the battery twice on my HP, although thanks to battery protection and fans it should happen much less (but battery protection on the surface is pretty extreme and it's only good if you used plugged in all the time as it only charges the battery to 50%). SSD replacement is great, I suspect my pro 3 died because the SSD died. As for the new Intel chips, I am a bit skeptical about Alder lake... it doesn't seem to be very efficient, maybe even worse than the 11th gen...but again looking forward to your review!
I only have SP8 and use it as workstation with Core X + 3070. There are three things I want to have on SP9 but then my dream didn’t come true. I want to have at least 8 cores / 16 threads with 32GB RAM, and battery lasts minimum 8 hours when watching local 1080p movies. Other than these wishes, I love my SP8, it’s almost perfect for me. I give it 95/100.
Same here on battery. Additionally tech language even in English has become so soooo grey i e. 10+ average use. Has anyone seen their official definitions for these claims? Shame on BIG companies!
@@Dee-- All depend on what you use I.e. productivity like (1) word, excel etc or (2) CZcams, games, a bit if coding work etc. I wouldn't mind if it can manage 7 hours solid of CZcams as a benchmark!
@@Dee-- maybe. I have never tried. This is what I tried though. Instead of words and spreadsheet, I was reading news and articles for 1 hour, 40% brightness, battery saver on, bluetooth off, no type cover, use tried MS edge, chrome, and Firefox, all the same, I couldn’t read news for 5 hours but i read for 1 hour for every test, each test, 1% battery lasts max at 3.5 minutes, so it lasts about 350 minutes, which is 5 hours something. That’s assuming nothing in the background spikes the usage a bit such as ads heavy sites, assuming I don’t have any background apps, and I actually turned off most of the background apps. So if you do just words and spreadsheets, I guess it might last a bit longer if you turn off wifi as well, but I wouldn’t say it will last more than 6.5 hours just for editing words. However I have to emphasize, all these sound so bad, its performance, portability, and TB4 that can make it a beast when bundling with a eGPU occupied 95% of my score, that’s how good it is. Just a bit unfortunate, recently I got a steam deck 64GB, I dual boot with windows 11, this little thing is even more power efficient comparing to my SP8. The only drawback of the steam deck is that I can’t connect it to my eGPU, however it recently took the stage and I left my SP8 in the dark for more than a week now. The steam deck deliver what I do for work 100%, and personal 200% because I never play handheld but now I do.
Thank you for this. Does anyone have a view on wether 8GB gets the job done for data analysis (excel, power bi, etc). I think the 8GB is good value so trying to save money. 👍🏾
thanks for the thoughtful review, I think it would have been even more effective to demonstrate using the device to illustrate your points more but otherwise informative and helpful
Surface Pro family has an issue with battery drain during shutdown or hibernation mode. Which drains almost 1% of the battery for every hour. And when I monitored the Surface logic board under thermocamera, I saw a heat spot comping from the GPU during the shutdown which is causing the battery drain. I hope Microsoft will recover that fail in future designs.
I have the SPro7 and I agree with the battery and sleep issue. It does take longer to wake when on sleep but I can live with that. What annoys me the most is the random restart when not in use. Its also a bit too aggressive with power save. It keeps going to sleep mode when on battery with music playing on the background. Unable to fix this. Otherwise its a great machine. I have the fanless i5 model and love it. I like that the SPro8 has a bigger screen. Previous gens are a bit too small IMO.
I had surface pro 3 back in the days when it was released. It was a good ultrabook laptop, but as a tablet it was owful. Lack of proper tablet apps, it was getting noticably warm in the cpu area during cpu load, and I also had a batery drain where sometimes didn't go into hybrid sleep and batery completely drained over night, really annoying stuff. Now I was considering to buy new SP9 but since you are saying that SP8 is still having batery drain I think I will just skip it.
I’m planning to get the surface 9 soon and this is exactly the video I was looking for, as I want to know if it will still hold up in one year. Thank your for the content, you just got a new subscriber!
The ARM SKU of the Pro 9 is actually the more premium and more expensive model rather than a bottom tier model. I noticed they did mention it uses SQ3 but they avoided a distinction between ARM and x64. Instead they always refer to the ARM version as “Surface Pro 9 with 5G”
I agree the side bezels are too small when using as a tablet horizontally. Agree less on the gestures. Yes Windows 8 had better ones but it was also worse in some ways. The gestures in 22H2 are a huge improvement. When people complain about Windows 11 still being “awful” as a tablet I can’t help but think they’re obsessing over it too much and if you’re using it as a tablet a lot of the time there’s better products. You’re right about it being versatile, which means it’s not the best at anything. The Surface Pro is a bit big and heavy to use as a tablet in the first place, it’s mainly designed for inking and short periods, iPad Pro 12.9 isn’t heavy but it’s size makes it feel worse as a tablet than the 11” iPad Pro. The Go is much better as a pure tablet and would be great to see an ARM version of that with iPad Pro style bezels
ohhh re the side swipe left or right, I have disabled swiping from either side in a Registry command (easy to undo) so I can use Win8.1 in VMWare.... but I would do that regardless which would eliminate the problem of too small side bezels... if you're interested I can tell you how, but it is straight forward
I have my Surface Pro 8 since September and what I hate is that when I put it on the backpack and I push the power button unintentionally, or it's pressed while in the backpack, the Surface turn on and when I'm going to use it, it's drained. Even with the keyboard covering the screen. Also, I was expecting at least 3 hours of battery, but I don't get it just writing with background music. And the 22H2 update, still waiting for it.
If you don't get at least 3 hours of battery with just writing, something isn't quite right. Does that include the battery drain caused by the power button?
@@rockyiu7541 nope, that maintain the surface on stand by, but consuming a bit of battery. The issue with the power button consumed about 50% of the battery in about 4h, when I get it out from the bagpack to work with it.
@@fonso_s My pro 8 gets 6 hour of non stop drawing which can be GPU heavy so your unit might have an issue or something. Or you may have some rouge background processes draining battery (e. g. adobe updater). 3 hours absolutely isn't normal. Hope you can find the root cause and fix it. Good luck!
@@rockyiu7541 I was thinking to return it, I got the back to school offer with 60 days of return. I can have a week or two without it and get the 9 with an i5 instead, in paper it has the same power than my Pro 8 i7, and maybe the efficiency cores help with the drain.
@@fonso_s If you can get the pro 9, definitely go grab it. I'm not sure if a 12th gen 12 i5 is faster than a 11th gen i7 (i7 has efficiency core as well), but yeah if you can grab one why not. Good for you!
don't know if you check comments on your older video, and infact you may already have seen the video, but LTT have just released a video on standby battery drain and why they think it's happening. In the comments section a MS employee tested the theory and said it likely was the problem... worth a watch !
@@innoiso its ongoing it seems, Luke and Linus in their podcast discussed Mircosoft (Senior Windows Official replied) Microsoft's response... since i've put my Surface in Deep Standby ive had zero battery drain, even if it's off for several days... i forget what i did specifically but i did make some Regedit changes..... actually i think i posted it in one of your videos so i'll go look that up... change it back and test their Theory (the more real world data we can give Microsoft the sooner they can sole the issues....
@@innoiso btw Merry Christmas/Happy New Year :) Hope you intent keeping making content, really enjoy your channel, esp the PC content.... was considering getting a macbook air but your review of how well/or not it runs windows in real tests convinced me not to, which im relieved ..... is your SQ3 (surface pro 9 on arm) review coming soon? Have you got that Surface yet?
Very good talk! Do you recommend sq3 surface pro 9 for business? Mainly excel, powerpoint, outlook, phyton? Plus maybe inDesign. The 5g feature as well… dont need it, but would be awesome Will be good enough for financial modelling and huge excel sheets? Thanks!
people need to look at the Lenovo duet 5i looks great! It has a Bluetooth detachable keyboard so you can use it when you remove it from the tablet, it has the newer intel CPU, and it has more internal storage at the base model, none of that 128gb.
Hi. I purchased my SP8 and it has major overheating and battery drain issues. Not only my unit, but many other devices (check Microsoft forum). Microsoft deletes proper answers so I can't find a solution. Do you know anything about it?
Lol. This man hasn't looked around enough. I got custom widgets, custom gestures and custom power plans and automatically change my screen refresh rate and underclocking profile depending on the applications used and CPU use .......my surface go 2 works marvelously....win11 actually slows it down a tad
My surface Pro 6, finally doesn't have battery drain issues on standby, it can sit for several days and still be 100% when I turn it on. Judging from this video, I might be using deep hibernation, as it does take 2-3 seconds to boot up after being off for awhile..... a trade I'm happy to make over losing 20% battery from nothing. Having said that, it's on my desk as I'm typing (on different pc), and if I open the cover, it's about 1-2 seconds to fully log on... that's not that different from my Iphone ! It changed after a recent update (I'm on the insider program), I couldn't tell you which one though..... also battery life has significantly improved.... I just really wish I had gone with the 16gig model as I like to run Win8.1 in VMWare but it struggles with lack of ram. I'm looking forward to tomorrows video about emulation of android apps...
the Surface Pro 9X is a more expensive alternative, about $300 more than the base SP9, and matches the i5 performance on native apps. Unless they improve the battery life, I am not sure it will sell that well, though MS has made it the only (current) 5G option to no doubt push sales. As an SQ2 owner, I can say that it is good enough for office stuff, but avoid if you have any specialized apps. But we shall see if the SQ3 lives up to MS claims. It is a bit of a shock that MS cannot resolve the battery drain, and I expect that is why it is not EVO-certified. That is even the case on my SQ2 SPX, so compared to Apple, it is very puzzling. They def need to work on that, and battery life, as mine gets less than half my MB Pro 13 M1 doing the same workload. Maybe that is due to software, both the OS and apps? I would get the SP8 over the SPX so I suspect most people should buy SP9 over SP9X.
I'm a motorcycle rider and i hate using my Samsung Tab S7 due to issues with connecting external hard disks. Connecting my GoPro and other media (SD/MicroSD) and transferring video/photos to an external HDD is a pain in the butt. And i use Capture One and Affinity Photo for my photography work and both of them do not work on ARM based processors. Just for the easy connectivity of external hard disks i am on the lookout for a used Surface Pro.
Agreed that the battery 🔋 life for MSSP4 through MSSP8 sucks, and Windows 11 design is disappointing for logical minded people. It's only saving graces are better security and better video editing. Although image displays and graphics for MSSP have always been great for their price range. Easy for Power Point presentations and Power BI graphs. Just keep it charged.
The problem of Windows tablets is the same as that of Google's Pixel smartphones, good devices that work really well enough but are sold a little too expensive even though they don't have the best hardware at the moment or very often have equipment that is 2 years old. We can say it, hardware and power matter, even if you have the best software in the world. If Apple devices are so fluid and so popular, it's not just thanks to the software, but it's largely due to the hardware that allows the software to be almost flawless and the devices to last over time. And contrary to what many would have you believe, the numbers mean a lot more to consumers, and knowing that a device has the best hardware of the moment encourages purchase and gives less the impression of being ripped off.
I don't think it's quite that simple. It's only recently that MacBooks got Apple Silicon, and people still swore by Mac's when they were using thermally throttled Intel chips. People still bought the 2017 MacBook Air even though the screen was absolutely terrible.
It is not like that. The problem with perceiving the alleged "better" of Apple devices is the erroneous assumption that everyone's job is based on audio / video editing. In fact, Apple devices are optimized ONLY in this respect and they do not do better in other work, primarily in engineering, because then they either work worse or do not support professional software at all. Note that youtubers compare MacBooks with other competitor devices only showing video rendering, and Apple takes advantage of this. Also, any synthetic tests never reflect normal hardware work - these are just numbers for geeks. Another point is that each update has its own requirements. So what if in the case of, for example, the iPhone, they are for 5 years, since after 2-3 years they slow down like any other, at least honestly supported for 3 years? Marketing has always been Apple's strongest point.
I strongly recommend you avoid Microsoft Surface Pros if you need a tablet with sufficient battery life. Have own four SP7s, two SPXs, and one SP8. All of them started out with 11-12 hours of battery life (continuous CZcams viewing, 40% brightness, wifi and battery saver on). After a couple of months of Windows updates battery life for all them plummeted to 6-7 hours. Plently of similar stories on the internet and Microsoft's dicussion boards. You have been WARNED...
Did you, if you happen to see this and respond or anyone here in the comments ever develop a slight wiggle in the kickstand for the Surface Pro 8 ? Nothing too bad and nothing that really affects the functionality of the hinge just a little looseness, a few millimeters of give. Mine did 1 day out of the box so I am just curious as to if thats something others have experienced and if its expected? Any insight on this would be appreciated!
Me too, my SP8 does that wiggle, especially if I take it from one side of the kickstand with one hand. I think it started doing this when I took it like that the first time. Now I'm ver careful with it 😅
It’s stupid how CZcamsrs think, according to them everyone out there is going to edit videos that’s it, is there a only one profession that uses computers? Have you ever thought how this laptop be useful to other professionals, it’s stupid if you create videos just keeping one profession in mind. Every review on CZcams for surface 8or 9 only thinks of one use case that’s video editing and bla bla, it’s waste of time even creating such videos and watching it as well!
I still have my surface pro 2017 and it runs like a charm till this day, I used photoshop with ease and sometimes play video games on it too. Bought it when it first came out so 5-6 years later and it runs strong.
Nice! That's great to hear!
What games?
Thanks for the video, makes me feel better about my decision to ask for a Surface Pro 8 from Santa this year. I used both Windows & Macs for years in my work as tech support but I've always preferred Windows; so I'm happy to hear MS made a great tablet sized computer. The battery life may not be an issue for me as I usually find myself at a desk anyway but the mobility will be great.
Didn't expect to see my post from six months ago randomly showing up. Hearing my username perked my head up lol.
Hah hope that was okay! Wanted to give people credit for the questions and comments they posted rather than just saying "some commenters said x"
This is basically my experience - I have a macbook pro for work and a big desktop rig for projects and play, but the Pro 8 is the computer I have in my bag and so gets a lot of use.
It's not the *best* at anything really (except maybe inking, which I do quite a lot). My other computers would do most things better, I'm sure. But I've got the Surface with me most of the time, and it's amazing to see what you can do on it when you have to.
Okay but do you have the 16 gb 1 tb version or?
What/\? Where have you been throughout my life??? This is the first video I have watched from you and I loved it! You have a super chill voice, I love that you interact with coments and your whole method and organization to make this video! Cheers
Thank you!!
My SP8 also does it all. There may be better UX's for tablets but for me it checks all the boxes. More importantly, it is great for writing, a great laptop and between 9 and 5 the i7 shows itself a true workhorse in parametric 3D modelling.
Great video! Concerning the wireless keyboard connector, mine still works but only when plugged in as the battery is dead. I guess you have tried to do same and didn't work with yours (maybe the battery is even "more" dead...😅). Even a couple of years ago when I tried to find a replacement unit, it was hard to find any.... (I only found some in Canada, but they didn't ship to Europe).
Concerning stand-by, I have this issue with all surface devices and most Windows devices, so I use hybernation....
Concening Windows on ARM, the performance of the SQ3 (8cX gen 3) seems to be in line with 10th gen Intel in general, but because of the emulation sometimes the device will hang a few seconds here and there... I am looking forward to you reviewing it in the pro 9... I wish Microsoft put the same chip on the Go, so that, in addition to more power, we could have iPad-like battery life, but knowing Microsoft they think small = low end, contrary to Apple, which put the M1 even in the iPad Air...
Concerning the pro 8, my first wish would be something to avoid accidental touches, this ruins my experience on the Tab S8 ultra, can only imagine how bad it must be on the pro 8 when used as a tablet... Also would love for them to have screws to open it and change the battery, like my HP Elite surface clone. Battery swelling is an issue, it killed my surface 3 (non pro) and had to replace the battery twice on my HP, although thanks to battery protection and fans it should happen much less (but battery protection on the surface is pretty extreme and it's only good if you used plugged in all the time as it only charges the battery to 50%). SSD replacement is great, I suspect my pro 3 died because the SSD died.
As for the new Intel chips, I am a bit skeptical about Alder lake... it doesn't seem to be very efficient, maybe even worse than the 11th gen...but again looking forward to your review!
I only have SP8 and use it as workstation with Core X + 3070. There are three things I want to have on SP9 but then my dream didn’t come true. I want to have at least 8 cores / 16 threads with 32GB RAM, and battery lasts minimum 8 hours when watching local 1080p movies. Other than these wishes, I love my SP8, it’s almost perfect for me. I give it 95/100.
Same here on battery. Additionally tech language even in English has become so soooo grey i e. 10+ average use. Has anyone seen their official definitions for these claims? Shame on BIG companies!
when using it as just a workstation how long does your surface pro 8 last? would you say 8 hours?
@@Dee-- All depend on what you use I.e. productivity like (1) word, excel etc or (2) CZcams, games, a bit if coding work etc. I wouldn't mind if it can manage 7 hours solid of CZcams as a benchmark!
@@Dee-- maybe. I have never tried. This is what I tried though. Instead of words and spreadsheet, I was reading news and articles for 1 hour, 40% brightness, battery saver on, bluetooth off, no type cover, use tried MS edge, chrome, and Firefox, all the same, I couldn’t read news for 5 hours but i read for 1 hour for every test, each test, 1% battery lasts max at 3.5 minutes, so it lasts about 350 minutes, which is 5 hours something. That’s assuming nothing in the background spikes the usage a bit such as ads heavy sites, assuming I don’t have any background apps, and I actually turned off most of the background apps. So if you do just words and spreadsheets, I guess it might last a bit longer if you turn off wifi as well, but I wouldn’t say it will last more than 6.5 hours just for editing words.
However I have to emphasize, all these sound so bad, its performance, portability, and TB4 that can make it a beast when bundling with a eGPU occupied 95% of my score, that’s how good it is. Just a bit unfortunate, recently I got a steam deck 64GB, I dual boot with windows 11, this little thing is even more power efficient comparing to my SP8. The only drawback of the steam deck is that I can’t connect it to my eGPU, however it recently took the stage and I left my SP8 in the dark for more than a week now. The steam deck deliver what I do for work 100%, and personal 200% because I never play handheld but now I do.
Thank you for this. Does anyone have a view on wether 8GB gets the job done for data analysis (excel, power bi, etc). I think the 8GB is good value so trying to save money. 👍🏾
thanks for the thoughtful review, I think it would have been even more effective to demonstrate using the device to illustrate your points more but otherwise informative and helpful
Surface Pro family has an issue with battery drain during shutdown or hibernation mode. Which drains almost 1% of the battery for every hour.
And when I monitored the Surface logic board under thermocamera, I saw a heat spot comping from the GPU during the shutdown which is causing the battery drain.
I hope Microsoft will recover that fail in future designs.
But you haven't checked this for SP8, did you?
I have the SPro7 and I agree with the battery and sleep issue. It does take longer to wake when on sleep but I can live with that. What annoys me the most is the random restart when not in use. Its also a bit too aggressive with power save. It keeps going to sleep mode when on battery with music playing on the background. Unable to fix this. Otherwise its a great machine. I have the fanless i5 model and love it. I like that the SPro8 has a bigger screen. Previous gens are a bit too small IMO.
I had surface pro 3 back in the days when it was released. It was a good ultrabook laptop, but as a tablet it was owful. Lack of proper tablet apps, it was getting noticably warm in the cpu area during cpu load, and I also had a batery drain where sometimes didn't go into hybrid sleep and batery completely drained over night, really annoying stuff. Now I was considering to buy new SP9 but since you are saying that SP8 is still having batery drain I think I will just skip it.
Give it time, we'll see if the Pro 9 can improve the situation
I’m planning to get the surface 9 soon and this is exactly the video I was looking for, as I want to know if it will still hold up in one year. Thank your for the content, you just got a new subscriber!
Thank you for the sub! Hope you love your Surface!
The ARM SKU of the Pro 9 is actually the more premium and more expensive model rather than a bottom tier model.
I noticed they did mention it uses SQ3 but they avoided a distinction between ARM and x64. Instead they always refer to the ARM version as “Surface Pro 9 with 5G”
I agree the side bezels are too small when using as a tablet horizontally. Agree less on the gestures. Yes Windows 8 had better ones but it was also worse in some ways.
The gestures in 22H2 are a huge improvement. When people complain about Windows 11 still being “awful” as a tablet I can’t help but think they’re obsessing over it too much and if you’re using it as a tablet a lot of the time there’s better products. You’re right about it being versatile, which means it’s not the best at anything.
The Surface Pro is a bit big and heavy to use as a tablet in the first place, it’s mainly designed for inking and short periods, iPad Pro 12.9 isn’t heavy but it’s size makes it feel worse as a tablet than the 11” iPad Pro. The Go is much better as a pure tablet and would be great to see an ARM version of that with iPad Pro style bezels
thanks for the great overview! keep up the good work. I would definitely love it if the still included a micro sd card slot
SP 9 removed the headphone jack.. does not look good for the future.
ohhh re the side swipe left or right, I have disabled swiping from either side in a Registry command (easy to undo) so I can use Win8.1 in VMWare.... but I would do that regardless which would eliminate the problem of too small side bezels... if you're interested I can tell you how, but it is straight forward
Nice! That's a good call, I'll definitely do that
I have my Surface Pro 8 since September and what I hate is that when I put it on the backpack and I push the power button unintentionally, or it's pressed while in the backpack, the Surface turn on and when I'm going to use it, it's drained. Even with the keyboard covering the screen.
Also, I was expecting at least 3 hours of battery, but I don't get it just writing with background music.
And the 22H2 update, still waiting for it.
If you don't get at least 3 hours of battery with just writing, something isn't quite right. Does that include the battery drain caused by the power button?
@@rockyiu7541 nope, that maintain the surface on stand by, but consuming a bit of battery. The issue with the power button consumed about 50% of the battery in about 4h, when I get it out from the bagpack to work with it.
@@fonso_s My pro 8 gets 6 hour of non stop drawing which can be GPU heavy so your unit might have an issue or something. Or you may have some rouge background processes draining battery (e. g. adobe updater). 3 hours absolutely isn't normal. Hope you can find the root cause and fix it. Good luck!
@@rockyiu7541 I was thinking to return it, I got the back to school offer with 60 days of return. I can have a week or two without it and get the 9 with an i5 instead, in paper it has the same power than my Pro 8 i7, and maybe the efficiency cores help with the drain.
@@fonso_s If you can get the pro 9, definitely go grab it. I'm not sure if a 12th gen 12 i5 is faster than a 11th gen i7 (i7 has efficiency core as well), but yeah if you can grab one why not. Good for you!
I would also like to see a 14 or 15" surface with a dedicated GPU and a bigger battery.
That would be wild to see a Surface with a dGPU built in. Would you not just want the dGPU built into the keyboard like in the Surface Book?
don't know if you check comments on your older video, and infact you may already have seen the video, but LTT have just released a video on standby battery drain and why they think it's happening. In the comments section a MS employee tested the theory and said it likely was the problem... worth a watch !
I did see that, and I'm interested to see if it's a broader solution or not!
@@innoiso its ongoing it seems, Luke and Linus in their podcast discussed Mircosoft (Senior Windows Official replied) Microsoft's response... since i've put my Surface in Deep Standby ive had zero battery drain, even if it's off for several days... i forget what i did specifically but i did make some Regedit changes..... actually i think i posted it in one of your videos so i'll go look that up... change it back and test their Theory (the more real world data we can give Microsoft the sooner they can sole the issues....
@@innoiso btw Merry Christmas/Happy New Year :) Hope you intent keeping making content, really enjoy your channel, esp the PC content.... was considering getting a macbook air but your review of how well/or not it runs windows in real tests convinced me not to, which im relieved ..... is your SQ3 (surface pro 9 on arm) review coming soon? Have you got that Surface yet?
Very good talk! Do you recommend sq3 surface pro 9 for business? Mainly excel, powerpoint, outlook, phyton? Plus maybe inDesign.
The 5g feature as well… dont need it, but would be awesome
Will be good enough for financial modelling and huge excel sheets?
Thanks!
What about battery life comparing the Surface Pro X and Pro 8 ? How many hours at which brightness level you got usually?
people need to look at the Lenovo duet 5i looks great! It has a Bluetooth detachable keyboard so you can use it when you remove it from the tablet, it has the newer intel CPU, and it has more internal storage at the base model, none of that 128gb.
we need to push microsoft to make that wireless bluetooth connector. it is nice to have that when i wanna disconnect my keyboard.
i love my surface pro 7
Nice!
What are the specs on this Surface Pro 8 you are reviewing? Is it an i5 or and i7, and how much RAM does it have?
Love mine as well. Too bad bigger SSDs are almost impossible to source.
How is it with 4k footage?
Hello ! Can someone recommend good reliable usb c hub for this device?? Thanks
looking forward for Surface Go 4
Same here!
Hi. I purchased my SP8 and it has major overheating and battery drain issues. Not only my unit, but many other devices (check Microsoft forum). Microsoft deletes proper answers so I can't find a solution. Do you know anything about it?
This is great, thank you!
Thank you!
Lol. This man hasn't looked around enough. I got custom widgets, custom gestures and custom power plans and automatically change my screen refresh rate and underclocking profile depending on the applications used and CPU use .......my surface go 2 works marvelously....win11 actually slows it down a tad
Would an 8gb model suffice for a medical student?
... Windows 11 22h2 Upgrade still does not work on Pro 8 - while it works on older Surface products ...!!
Why? I have SP8 and currently Windows 11 Pro (22H2).
@@subinmO Are you sure? Even Microsoft states that 22h2 still isn't available for the SP8.
I miss the Surface Book since it didn't require a kickstand. Sucks that Microsoft still doesn't know how to make a device with good battery life.
The 8 was 2 years too late. I needed a new machine and I settled for the SP7.
only thing is there is no usb on the actual surface to connect to a usb device
I see a bit of blurry text on dark mode (on window explorer files name text) on pro 8 is it normal ! Any help please.
I just got the Costco bundle for $900. 8gb/256gb with blue alcantara key and pen
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Hey bro it wasn't cool when you tried punching Jim over Pam, but this review was pretty good
Great video
Watching from my Surface pro 8...... The battery does not last long and I woulfd have been perfect if the screen size is 13.3 up to 14.....
My surface Pro 6, finally doesn't have battery drain issues on standby, it can sit for several days and still be 100% when I turn it on. Judging from this video, I might be using deep hibernation, as it does take 2-3 seconds to boot up after being off for awhile..... a trade I'm happy to make over losing 20% battery from nothing. Having said that, it's on my desk as I'm typing (on different pc), and if I open the cover, it's about 1-2 seconds to fully log on... that's not that different from my Iphone ! It changed after a recent update (I'm on the insider program), I couldn't tell you which one though..... also battery life has significantly improved.... I just really wish I had gone with the 16gig model as I like to run Win8.1 in VMWare but it struggles with lack of ram. I'm looking forward to tomorrows video about emulation of android apps...
That's good. I think if they get the hibernation / sleep mix down it would probably be better
Hi buddy! Can share with us your SP8 spec? (processor and RAM). Thanks!
Core i5 8GB, base model (with upgraded storage)
the Surface Pro 9X is a more expensive alternative, about $300 more than the base SP9, and matches the i5 performance on native apps. Unless they improve the battery life, I am not sure it will sell that well, though MS has made it the only (current) 5G option to no doubt push sales. As an SQ2 owner, I can say that it is good enough for office stuff, but avoid if you have any specialized apps. But we shall see if the SQ3 lives up to MS claims.
It is a bit of a shock that MS cannot resolve the battery drain, and I expect that is why it is not EVO-certified. That is even the case on my SQ2 SPX, so compared to Apple, it is very puzzling. They def need to work on that, and battery life, as mine gets less than half my MB Pro 13 M1 doing the same workload. Maybe that is due to software, both the OS and apps? I would get the SP8 over the SPX so I suspect most people should buy SP9 over SP9X.
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Thank you!
What program do you use for video editing?
Adobe Premiere Pro!
I'm a motorcycle rider and i hate using my Samsung Tab S7 due to issues with connecting external hard disks. Connecting my GoPro and other media (SD/MicroSD) and transferring video/photos to an external HDD is a pain in the butt.
And i use Capture One and Affinity Photo for my photography work and both of them do not work on ARM based processors. Just for the easy connectivity of external hard disks i am on the lookout for a used Surface Pro.
Agreed that the battery 🔋 life for MSSP4 through MSSP8 sucks, and Windows 11 design is disappointing for logical minded people. It's only saving graces are better security and better video editing.
Although image displays and graphics for MSSP have always been great for their price range. Easy for Power Point presentations and Power BI graphs. Just keep it charged.
The problem of Windows tablets is the same as that of Google's Pixel smartphones, good devices that work really well enough but are sold a little too expensive even though they don't have the best hardware at the moment or very often have equipment that is 2 years old.
We can say it, hardware and power matter, even if you have the best software in the world.
If Apple devices are so fluid and so popular, it's not just thanks to the software, but it's largely due to the hardware that allows the software to be almost flawless and the devices to last over time.
And contrary to what many would have you believe, the numbers mean a lot more to consumers, and knowing that a device has the best hardware of the moment encourages purchase and gives less the impression of being ripped off.
I don't think it's quite that simple. It's only recently that MacBooks got Apple Silicon, and people still swore by Mac's when they were using thermally throttled Intel chips. People still bought the 2017 MacBook Air even though the screen was absolutely terrible.
It is not like that. The problem with perceiving the alleged "better" of Apple devices is the erroneous assumption that everyone's job is based on audio / video editing. In fact, Apple devices are optimized ONLY in this respect and they do not do better in other work, primarily in engineering, because then they either work worse or do not support professional software at all. Note that youtubers compare MacBooks with other competitor devices only showing video rendering, and Apple takes advantage of this. Also, any synthetic tests never reflect normal hardware work - these are just numbers for geeks. Another point is that each update has its own requirements. So what if in the case of, for example, the iPhone, they are for 5 years, since after 2-3 years they slow down like any other, at least honestly supported for 3 years? Marketing has always been Apple's strongest point.
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I strongly recommend you avoid Microsoft Surface Pros if you need a tablet with sufficient battery life. Have own four SP7s, two SPXs, and one SP8.
All of them started out with 11-12 hours of battery life (continuous CZcams viewing, 40% brightness, wifi and battery saver on).
After a couple of months of Windows updates battery life for all them plummeted to 6-7 hours.
Plently of similar stories on the internet and Microsoft's dicussion boards. You have been WARNED...
the battery life is horrible ... with light use it can last 5 hours!!
Did you, if you happen to see this and respond or anyone here in the comments ever develop a slight wiggle in the kickstand for the Surface Pro 8 ? Nothing too bad and nothing that really affects the functionality of the hinge just a little looseness, a few millimeters of give. Mine did 1 day out of the box so I am just curious as to if thats something others have experienced and if its expected? Any insight on this would be appreciated!
Hopefully more folks will answer in the comments, but I haven't experience that. I can understand how that would be frustrating!
@@innoiso Okay good to know, I appreciate the response man
Mine does. But like you said, It hasn't become any more loose and it's not a big deal.
@@geo4393 Okay thanks for the response. Went and tested all the store models at Best Buy every single on did it so seems to within tolerance.
Me too, my SP8 does that wiggle, especially if I take it from one side of the kickstand with one hand. I think it started doing this when I took it like that the first time. Now I'm ver careful with it 😅
Surface Pro 8 has only four hours of battery life, which is a pity
if only they put in AMD chips into surface pro....
It’s stupid how CZcamsrs think, according to them everyone out there is going to edit videos that’s it, is there a only one profession that uses computers? Have you ever thought how this laptop be useful to other professionals, it’s stupid if you create videos just keeping one profession in mind. Every review on CZcams for surface 8or 9 only thinks of one use case that’s video editing and bla bla, it’s waste of time even creating such videos and watching it as well!
Surface Pro does not hold charge. POOR BATTERY PERFORMANCE irrespective of the model. I regret. Will go back to Mac again.
surface pro 8 sucks don't get it