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Here are all of the videos in our tractor tooth bar series
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Tooth Bar Comparison - Bxpanded Vs Everything Attachments
• Tooth Bar Comparison -...
Tooth Bar Vs Factory Bucket Edge - Is It Really Worth the Money?
• Tooth Bar Vs Factory B...
Installs
Heavy Hitch Install
• Heavy Hitch Tooth Bar ...
Pirhana Install
• Bxpanded Piranha Tooth...
Wicked Bucket
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Here are all of the videos in our tractor tooth bar series
Comparisons
The Ultimate Toothbar Comparison Video
czcams.com/video/LqCeld2d6-g/video.html
Tooth Bar Comparison - Bxpanded Vs Everything Attachments
czcams.com/video/Ff8bNgs5QS0/video.html
Tooth Bar Vs Factory Bucket Edge - Is It Really Worth the Money?
czcams.com/video/Tfe8uaE4T4Y/video.html
Installs
Heavy Hitch Install
czcams.com/video/4TqG1TACNgo/video.html
Pirhana Install
czcams.com/video/14Qcg5k9Iks/video.html
Wicked Bucket
czcams.com/video/Zz0hfMm4zN8/video.html
Installing bucket hooks
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Actually comparing the buckets side by side was a good idea, Brock. I bought a Heavy Hitch tooth bar for the bucket on my JD3046. I've got a lot of clay mixed with big rocks on my property, and the standard edge just seems to slide across that, especially when it contacts the rocks. With the tooth bar attached, the larger teeth dig in and make short work of the dense clay and rock. There's a night and day difference, at least for the dirt on my property. Of course, those large teeth leave obvious furrows when back dragging, so I wait until the final finishing and then take the tooth bar off. I absolutely love the Heavy Hitch tooth bar. I don't use it all the time, but for serious digging, it's a real time saver.
I would like to get a good opportunity to do the same comparison with that style of tooth bar.
Thanks for commenting
Brock, you do a great job breaking down data and presenting facts in your videos. 💪 I've watched numerous channels add these bars to buckets and then rave about them, but I've not seen a head to head comparison like this. My bucket is as important to me as my right hand and I move concrete, dirt, dig, backblade, and 100 other things with it and I've never thought, if this thing had some teeth on it, that job would have gone faster/better. And I don't want myself, other and dogs cutting themselves on it when it's parked or when I'm using my bucket as my side-by-side carryall !!
I was surprised by this result but I didn’t see any advantage to the tooth bar
thanks for watching
@@RockhillfarmYT I agree, I think I will save my money and just use my stock bucket
Great video! I use a cold rolled products tooth bar. Mainly to protect my bucket. I have to agree, really no difference. But I have had to weld a new edge on older buckets. This avoids that problem. Thanks for the effort you put into your channel!
Thank you for watching and for adding to the conversation
I have the piranha tooth bar for the past 3 years. For taking out 1.5 inch saplings and clearing brush the stock bucket will just push it over if you don't dig under it. The piranha will grab it at the base and push it out by the roots without digging under it. Same as pushing out shrubs. I take it off when working in rock since it's only two bolts witch is fast and easy. I think it all depends on what your using it for. Love your videos.
Thanks for sharing
Good stuff Brock. Might be tearing out all my landscaping around the house this year and might have to look into a tooth bar. Love all the comments sharing their experiences! Though it seems like there are more comments than likes... what's up with that? lol 🤠
Right, maybe I should ask people to like the video
Thanks for watching
Good video.. I have 2 tractors, one a subcompact with the piranha bar, the other a compact with the wicked bar. The piranha bar was a game changer for my subcompact. Especially as others have mentioned, for pulling out brush and saplings. When it comes to digging with the subcompact, i feel the piranha bar was a definite improvement. Now, the wicked bar on my compact.. it also works well for biting onto brush and saplings and pulling them out of the ground.. however I feel that digging ability was not much improved. The piranha bar has smaller teeth in between each beveled tooth, that actually come to a point.. the wicked bar just has bevels, with small serrations. I feel those smaller pointy teeth on the piranha bar definitely penetrate ground better than flat face beveled design of the wicked. I dont dig a ton with my loader, I have a backhoe for that, but if I had to buy a toothbar again, it would likely be whichever brand could get me one fastest for the best price. They both do what i need most, which is brush clearing, and in my opinion that is where they both shine.
Thanks for sharing your experience
Thanks Brock for your compassion. I have been wondering if it was worth the$$ for maybe a small improvement. TTWT has the heavy hitch he uses. I really don't have enough land to buy one to play with but I still enjoy watching what you are doing.. Rock on!
Thanks for watching
I'm glad i saw this. Day one with JD trying to level a trail side to side for safe access to my steep clearing. All day I was saying I wish I had a tooth bar. It is also rocky. Fact is if I pick axe the high side I can get the job done. Tooth bar wouldn't really help me.
Great video. Very instructive. I wished I knew these results before I purchased my $500 (CDN) Piranha Toothbar last year for my 1025R...
Do you feel that the piranha bar has made a big difference on your tractor?
I’m considering doing a similar test with other tooth bars
I think it depends on your soil type, moisture, job at hand, and overall tractor set up. Seems traction was your biggest issue on the shrubs. Doesn't really matter what tool you have if you're just spinning your wheels and the power isn't being delivered to the project. I have the Piranha serrated bar on my JD 4200 and have noticed it tears out vegetation much better than the stock edge. It slices through roots rather than trying to pull them out which is the main job I bought it for. My factory edge may have been rounded off though from years of work without protection. I don't work when it's too wet for traction reasons you experienced. Didn't really settle the question but I appreciate the info and the effort.
Yeah, not necessarily trying to be the definitive answer to the tooth bar question but just give a point of reference
I would like to repeat this test with some other brands of tooth bars
Excellent video Brock! I think you did a great job in comparing the two blades in similar conditions.
Thanks
Thank you for a real life test. Been on the fence with buying one.
I have another video out comparing that tooth bar to the Bxpanded tooth bar and in a couple weeks I will have a final video also comparing it to the heavy hitch tooth bar
Thanks for posting this Brock. I was just about to lay down my money down for tooth bar. Having second thoughts now. Think I’ll just stay with the stock bucket on my 3025e.
Obviously, if money was not an issue, get both. The stock bucket can get beaten up quick. I have already bent the bottom edge, and had to get it straightened. If you’re working with a lot of rocky soil, I would suggest the other bucket. I find having the perfectly flat edge on the stock bucket very efficient when plowing my driveway. I do not have a rear blade for my tractor, is one main reason why. Great video Brock. Thanks!
Thank you for watching and for adding to the conversation
Grateful awsome work ! Thank you Sir
I have a Heavy Hitch toothbar for my John Deere 1023E's 53" bucket. I have found that it is an incredible digger and root ripper, but a terrible back dragger. It also can be a decent, low cost alternative to forks, or maybe even a grapple with some tasks because the teeth are long enough that it will kinda allow your bucket to hold onto brushy items and some longer items like lumber and small logs. With that said, I also own actual forks and a grapple, so I didn't purchase it with that in mind. I have just found I can get by well enough sometimes that I don't have to take the time and effort to switch implements. So I have been pleasantly surprised by that aspect as well. One more tip on it if you decide to try one, I recommend spraying the large set screws that hold it on with a good lube like PB Blaster each time you install/remove it. If you don't, the threads tend to get rusty and hard to use because they are always going to have dirt and moisture in and around them. Thanks for the honest videos!
Thanks for sharing
Excellent job. Thankyou.
Man you are pumping out the videos! You're doing great sir.
Thanks a lot. I put a lot of effort into this so I hope people enjoy them
Great video Brock, having the heavy hitch tooth bar it transformed digging for me in hard packed clay soil compared to standard bucket, not really good for back dragging like you mentioned but tipping bucket up seems to help if need be.
Thanks for sharing
The heavy hitch is a completely different design, more of a digger than a slicer or back dragger.
@@Dan-oz4qb I agree it’s got the teeth to dig
I'd love to see this test, with the Heavy Hitch tooth bar.
I have the Heavy Hitch and like it, but it constantly loosens and needs retorquing of the allen set screws.
I’m going to try to make that test happen. With the heavy Hitch or any other brand I can get access to
Thanks for watching
Congrats on 20k Brock!
Thanks
It’s just an arbitrary number but for some reason I’m pretty excited about it honestly
thanks for sharing the video, I just recently put a piranha tooth bar on my new bucket because it was the same price as the OEM blade. but the main reason was to slow down the wear on the factory bucket. I think the reason you're not digging in as good with the serrated blade is because you're doubling the thickness of the contact point on the face of the bucket. that's just a guess though
Probably right, and possibly the tractor doesn’t have enough pushing power to utilize the cutting edge?
@@RockhillfarmYT for my results I didn't notice any better digging ability by adding the piranha blade.
I wish that tractor had some more weight on it. Good video and comparison thought!
My tractor weighs 6000 pounds but the power to push into a pile is limited by the hydrostat
I’m very surprised by those results after reading reviews on the tooth bars I thought there would be a clear winner.
I was surprised as well. One answer is that when you research a product and decide you want it and spend money on it you tend to pre-inflate your opinion of it and be proud of it before even trying it
it can be a placebo effect.
I’m also open to the idea that it might be better in certain scenarios that I didn’t test.
Overall I wouldn’t spend the money on this product again.
I’m still hoping to get a chance to test some other brands of tooth bars
That was awesome, great video
Awesome video, thanks!
Thanks
I have very sandy, rocky soil in West Texas (caliche') - wonder if the toothed bar would work better for that?
My bucket is virgin. Lol 😂
Before I got my tractor I ordered be expanded piranha tooth bar, then the smooth bar. I use one for snow mostly and the other 90% of the time. Happy with both.
Thanks for sharing
I was just looking at adding one of the Heavy Hitch toothbars to my setup. I’d love to see what you think about those if you get a chance to try one.
I’m going to try to make that happen
Thanks for watching
I have a heavy hitch tooth bar. I bought it when I had a John Deere 755 with a Westendorf loader. The loader bucket was not quick connect, but pin on. I bought the tooth bar for moving firewood more than digging. The teeth stick out far enough you can lift a fair-sized log and roll it back. Carry the log where you want it. Poor man's pallet forks. I now have a 2025R. With grapple and pallet forks. Still use the tooth bar, to scoop up a bucket full of split firewood. Then let the tractor carry it to the stacking location. I can also scoop a good amount of firewood rounds into the bucket. Then roll them out of the bucket one at a time onto the splitter. I only used the tooth bar in dirt 2 times with the old tractor. The bucket on it cut like a butter knife. So, the tooth bar helped a lot. Have not had an opportunity to try it in dirt with the 2025R But the bucket on it is way way better than that old one.
Thanks for sharing. I hope to test out one of those heavy Hitch bars at some point
The tractor is too heavy in the rear with the backhoe on. Bucket rides up too easily because of the the weight far behind the rear axle. Teeter tottor affect. 🚜
I have never tried a tooth bar on a compact tractor, but on my 110 hp New Holland Power Star, the factory cutting edge cuts a lot deeper than the tooth bar, especially in hard dirt.
I have made a tooth bar with real tooth. And the stock bucket is just as good in a virgin gravel pit with rock in it
If you what to remove small branches the tooth bar will work better. This is my opinion. Our tractors just dont have enough traction to make a big difference. Nice watching your videos
I agree that the shark Tractors aren’t able to take full advance of the teeth
Thanks for watching
Uh oh Brock! All them EA cult members are gonna want your tractor to fall apart or something like that! Good video buddy
Yeah, I think that the other types of tooth bars might work better but this one did not prove to be any better than the regular bucket
I think the EA bucket cut thru t h e roots better. Also , didn't your tires dig in more in the grass with the stock bucket?
One other thought,The John Deere standard buckets have a tendency to warp on their top if the are not reinforced.
The wicked bucket is definitely built strong but I don’t know that a tractor this size has the power to utilize that cutting edge.
If you put the same edge on a skid loader you might see a different result
@@RockhillfarmYT Maybe a good test when get you skid steer or 3R series 🤔. Lol I definitely think a stump bucket is superior on removing bushes and samplings since it is more focused on the impact point.
I think one big advantage to the EA Wicked toothbar is that it'll wear extremely well with the Hardox 450 material.
I’d like to see the comparison again only with the front wheels on the ground. Bring the advantage of 4 wheel drive into the picture.
Particularly on the first test, I was not pushing down with the loader to lift the tractor. I set an angle and drive straight forward. When it stopped cutting the tractor would lift
@@RockhillfarmYT that's a good idea you should do a test video using four-wheel drive and two wheel drive so people can see the advantage of the four-wheel drive. also with and without that backhoe on the back
@@madtater5948 i’m hoping to re-create this test with some other tooth bars and take everyone’s suggestions as to how to do it better.
My initial reaction, is that I don’t really think four wheels would make a difference because the hydrostat what was bogging out in the first test. If the tractor has reached it’s maximum pushing power, then gaining more traction won’t help it push more, it would just cause it to bog down sooner
Traction was an issue. Raising the front end puts all the available weight on the rear wheels. He likely would have spun the wheels sooner on all four.
All good points!
Tooth bars should be standard on buckets!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it
This particular tooth bar doesn’t seem to cut any better so I would say save your money
Placebo effect?? Meaning what?
I agree with your conclusion. Even if the wicked bucket had a slight advantage, it wouldn’t make it worth the money. The 3” wider bucket wouldn’t make that much difference.
Placebo effect being like taking a fake medicine can make you feel better because you think it will. In clinical trials they give one group their test medicine and another group of patients takes a sugar pill
Same thing when you choose a product and spend a lot of money on it and wait for delivery you’re so mentally hyped for it that you just assume it works better without really finding out.
It’s hard to do a perfect test but I don’t think this is dramatically better
Your summary is very accurate. And the teeth will not help much
Digging puts A LOT of stress on the loader frame and tractor, and that Deere shuddered & shook much more with the added leverage the tooth bar put on it.
Yeah, it’s not advisable to dig like I was on a regular basis, but I had to find someway to demonstrate if it was working.
I’ve got 800 hours on it and it’s been a good Tractor
@@RockhillfarmYT It was a good demonstration. I’m toothbar curious, and it helped.
@@markmacdougall7206 I’ve been using that Perona bar for the last year and a half or however, long since the video came out, and the cutting edge has held up well
In the beginning, regular bucket had it easier in softer layer.
Bucket salesman, "Make it look big and mean, it'll sell".
Exactly.
Now I’m really curious to see how the heavy hitter bar compares
I think that is why you have purchased the root bucket.
Right, and the second test trying to dig straight down in the hard packed rocky soil is not what these tractor buckets are made to do.
The idea of this video was mainly for people considering buying this bucket to see how it does
Thanks for watching
Your credibility score just went up.
Thanks for watching
Bro, you might want to use some hearing protection on the tractor.
Thanks for your concern. I did a video testing decibel levels on the tractor and relating that to hearing protection ratings.
A tractor is not nearly as loud as a lawnmower and only requires hearing protection if used for long periods of time
Thanks for watching
@@RockhillfarmYT I get ya. I always wear ear plugs. Just be safe. Wearing hearing aids at 70 isn’t the best. Great video on the tooth bar. I have a piranha ordered. Hope I’m not disappointed.
I have been happy with the piranha Bar
Thanks for watching
Tires are a big part in this, weight and the tooth bar bucket isn't really a tooth bar, its like some quasi rough edge bucket. A real tooth bar would have a 1 and 1/2" to 3" tooth.
Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts on it.
I have a traditional toothbar like you’re talking about on the way so that I can compare this style to that style.
I’m going to try to get a better test in the second video
A lot of people like these piranha style bars
My tractor weighs over 5000 pounds but most of that weight is at the back.
Point being most of the people buying these tooth bars have a tractor the size
is it the bucket or the technique? seems too aggressive in "scraping" more like trying to dig down. To me, the tooth is a protection for the bucket, small investment to save a big investment. Also, I have seen others using the Piranha bar with great results, again it seems to be their technique. So I would conclude that each bucket type works best with different techniques.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it. No test is perfect but I like to provide a point of reference for people considering buying the product.
Everything attachments did a video comparing their toothbar to a competitor and their testing wasn’t very fair at all. I couldn’t find any other videos really doing a head-to-head comparison
I just re-created this test using 2 brands of toothbars and different technique
Tooth Bar Comparison - Bxpanded Vs Everything Attachments
czcams.com/video/Ff8bNgs5QS0/video.html
Thanks for watching
There is a reason that they call them “Loaders”. They are to be used for loading and placing materials…. Not for Excavating/Digging dirt, rock etc. that’s why they make backhoes, track hoes & steel tracked dozers for excavators! Tractor loaders are not and were not designed to excavate period. overtime you will eventually twist the loader arms doing this. In your video when you are digging in you can plainly see the loader arms bending/flexing under the load the tractor weight is putting on them. They simply are not built heavy enough to that this kind is stresses. Hope to see you get to the end of the new shop arches construction! I’ve really enjoyed watching you get that put up and all your problem solving along the way. I’ve learned a ton thru watching. I find myself cheering you on as if I was at a state championship football game!!! 👍👍
And I think that’s why the tooth bar didn’t cut any better. The tractor just doesn’t have the ability to utilize it
These tooth bars are a huge market and very popular because people do want to be able to dig with their loader
Outside of just doing a test I would have dug the dirt up with a backhoe first
Thanks for following along with the channel
Concur with this! I know of a much heavier duty loader that had one of the main arms broke when a relative was trying to move a pile of red clay that had set up for several years! I realize this was just a test, and not Brock's standard MO when using a loader, but folks often expect way too much out of their loaders!
This is hard to watch. You’re going to bend your loader or tilt cylinders.
Your test bucket really wasn't a good choice for a test. You really want a bucket with real teeth. A proper tooth bucket will make a huge difference when digging.
Well, you might be right but the everything attachments crowd is a pretty fanatical fan base and they would tell you this is the best tooth bar on the marke
I hope to be able to test different styles of tooth bars in the future
sounds like you're trying to sell yourself. you don't have an angle gauge to measure what angles your digging or cutting. to me it's pretty obvious neither one does the great job that you want it to.
So the real question is: if someone doesn't have a bucket. what bucket should they buy? a stock bucket or a an aftermarket bucket such as EA?
For one you don’t know how to use that loader. You are trying to take to much at one time
Not trying to accomplish a job. I’m trying to use the loader exactly the same way on each cutting edge and just going for consistency.
I cringed watching you run that loader 🤦🏻♂️