Pulled Over By Police While Carrying (How to handle it)
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I told the last officer I encountered in a traffic stop that I was carrying and his comment was...me too...with a laugh, and there was not another word said about it...
I'm a US Marine, a licensed carry individual and I drive sports cars both on and off track. I'm also black, a Unix Admin so I live in a nice neighborhood. Yeah, I've been pulled over, LOL! I carry on my person and I don't move my weapon at all. Most officers ask for my license and registration, I hand that over ALONG WITH my carry license. I know I don't have to, but I come from a long line of police officers, I respect the hell out of them! The question always follows up "Do you have your weapon on you?" 'Yes I do, sir. It's on my person, loaded." They gently place their hand on their weapon, ask that I remove it and hand it to them. I give them NO trouble, I give them NO grief. You know what, I don't get tickets, ever! They're blown away by my respect and they almost always ask "Are you military?" 'Yes sir I am, motivated Marine Corps, OO RAH?" I get my license back, and sent on my way after a verbal warning to "slow it down".
David Adams Agreed. I'm not military however I do have my CCW. Whenever I'm pulled over, the windows are rolled down, radio off, car placed in park, hands on the wheel and eyes fixed up front. When asked for the DL, Ins, Reg, the first thing I do is inform the officer I'm CCW and where the weapon is. Even though it's not required to disclose, I do from the beginning. Never had a problem and in addition, no tickets. I think the snarky, F. Lee Bailey's out there with a chip on their shoulder telling LE what they can and cannot do are just begging for a ticket.
***** I live in Indiana and used to live in Georgia. I've had a few officers kindly ask that I hand my weapon over just in the interest of safety. And you know what? I'm 31 years old and have nothing to hide and nothing to prove. Sure, if it will make this traffic stop go by faster, here, I'll clear it, show you it's clear and you can clear it as well.
In fact, the last officer that stopped me DID, indeed, ask for it. As soon as he saw a dirty barrel (I was driving back from a 500+ round range day, LOL) he started talking shit and making fun of my platoon (he was USMC as well) because my weapon really was that dirty.
But hey, it's a Glock so it would have still operated just fine, HAHA.
***** HAH, that could be it. Fortunately, I don't think it is a black or white thing. Though I have been asked, it's the exception not the norm. I also don't get pulled over nearly as much as that. I think my last offense was 2 years ago. The times before that, maybe another 2 times in total, when asked, I said "yes, on my person" and they would just say, okay and go do their thing.
I believe it's officer discretion, but hey, it could be a race thing. Who knows, who cares? LOL!
+David “Derpy Drift” Adams Thank You for your service Sir and happy Veterans Day !
WH Thank you so much!
One thing I was taught in my CCW class: never say you have a "gun" when interacting with police. Instead say you have a "weapon" or "firearm".
This! Gun is a trigger word.
I've heard firearm is best and your right the word gun sets them off.
I turn my overhead light on and put my hands at 10 and 2.When the cop gets to my door I let him know I have a CPL/CCW and it where it is located on my person.Have not gotten a ticket ever with this method.What I have gotten is a lot of respect from the cop involved.
LOL usually when I tell them I have a Firearm in the car they don't ask me to go any further also
I got stopped the other day, pretty much same situation. I put my hands at 10 and 2 when he approached and since I'm still waiting on my CC permit to come in BUT Mississippi allows permit-less open and concealed carry I said "Hello officer. I am carrying a firearm concealed, legally due to MS law, It is on my right hip in the 4 o'clock position" I also asked if I could slowly reach for my wallet for my ID. and Yes he put his hand on his glock, but I didn't get shot that day.
I recently had my first traffic stop while carrying concealed because I was too lazy to put my seatbelt on to go a mile down the road and he caught me. I am in a state where it is required to notify. He asked if I have my driver's license, I said yes, and I also need to mention I have a carry permit and I do have a firearm on me. He said he appreciated me letting him know that. He asked where the weapon was and I told him. He did not ask to see the permit or the firearm. He wrote me my ticket and I was on my way. My experience was with the North Carolina Highway Patrol.
Very well done. In Kentucky we are trained to turn the interior lights on, keep our hands on the wheel in plain sight, and tell the policeman early in a respectful manner. When he or she ran the plate it will flag out all concealed carry people and they know we are background checked ahead of time. It calms things down to be up front. In Ky we are blessed with some really good KSP troopers I worked with on spills and emergencies for years. My favorite KSP trooper stopped an elderly lady that was my friend. Her husband was fast asleep in the passenger seat. He noticed and spoke softly to her. She begged him to figure out some way of not giving her a ticket since her husband would never let her hear the end of it. He looked at her husband, walked around the car, knocked on the window and woke him up. He said, "Sir, you are not wearing your seat belt and her is a ticket. Be safe in the future." Then he winked at her on his way to his patrol car. It was perfect and her husband had no idea and wondered how on earth he saw he was not wearing his seat belt as he slept!
Cool Story Man!
I miss your comments that you put over your videos. They were always fun to read.... bring them back... Please!
I totally 100% agree with you. Thank you for making the video for the folks that aren't sure on how to handle the situation.
I do as I was tought in my CCW class. I keep my hands at 10 and 2 on the wheel, and before handing anything to the officer I politely stat. "I want to inform you I have a CCW permit and I'm currently carrying a firearm on my right hip." I have never had a problem.
Perfect response. Thank you for posting.
From my personal experience, your advice is exactly spot on. When I'm carrying I am always on my best behavior. I've been pulled over a few times (nothing major), I was conceal carrying, keep my composure, was polite, and there wasn't any need for me to tell him about my gun or hand over my permit. Cheers
Good video. Especially with so many of us out doing shopping and with more clothes on or off than usual. Appreciate the reminder video on what to do.
I have been pulled over 1 time since I started carrying 2 years ago. Had a turn signal burnt out. I was open carrying at the time. I didnt have anywear I could stash the gun. I had my Drivers license, insurance card, and my carry permit already out in my left hand. My hands were at 10&2. I also verbally told the officer I was carrying. He just told me to keep my hands on the wheel. He didnt write me a ticket just told me to get my signal light fixed.
I like how you say, "be on your best behavior, especially when carrying." Its so true. You never want to start anything, especially when you know you can finish it.
As a Sgt. In a Texas police department. I agree with you on this subject. Having said that, the hiding the weapon during the stop, I can advise you that can be construed as a furtive movement. I may think your hiding contraband or a weapon. Upon contact with a LEO let the officer know you put the gun up. Contrary to popular belief, most officers are pro gun rights and want RESPONSIBLE citizen to be armed. All we ask is that you notify us up front to prevent any possible misunderstanding later in the stop. We DO NOT want to take away your rights, rather we want to get home to our families at the end of our shifts. If you are a law abiding citizen then you have EVERY right to protect yourself and family. If you antagonize an officer who is simply doing his job then perhaps you need to consider a ride along with a local department to understand why we do what we do. This is simply one officers opinion and in no way a slam on you sir. Long time subscriber and watcher. Keep up the great videos.
Everything you said was covered in my CC permit class in NC last spring about traffic stops with your firearm. Even had to test it the evening of the last class!
Thanks for the good advice I find all of your videos very informative and I'm in the process of getting my CCW in a few days
Good post. 21 years L.E.O here and I always appreciate when a person tells me of their firearm no matter if they are legally obligated to do so. Courtesy goes a long way.
Thanks you for putting out and reaffirming great "common sense" rationale concerning what many would consider perplexing issues...and I love the sense of humor mixed in as well as keeping videos shorter winded...I hate long winded videos which will often finding me looking for other less than "manly" things to do such as cleaning the house, lol. Being a 20+ yr Infantryman, combat vet, competitive shooter, as well as small arms instructor for my unit you can be assured that I do know how to handle and employ firearms proficiently and expertly in most cases...but there is a very stark difference between the more intimidating and proactively inclined "military bearing" and the more subtle "reactive" civilian bearing...God Bless You and Be Safe!!!
From another Law Enforcement Officer's perspective...Don't get pulled over in the first place :) In saying that, most of us support good guys carrying guns. As far as to what to do with the gun... I ask that you don't touch it...Leave it where it is. I personally would prefer you to remain still until I get to the car (hands at 10-2), but understand if you feel the need to reach for the registration and insurance card before I get there. Just please return to a 10-2 position before I get there (I would be more comfortable in you reaching for the glove box while I am behind your "B" post anyway. That way I can see what you are reaching for). To be honest, I have already ran your tags, and DMV license before I even pull you over and already know if you are legal CCW. I am out of the car just as soon as we stop...It is safer to be out of the patrol car than in it in a fire fight. I rely more on my instincts and how your body language is way more than anything else. If you have a CCW, my system will tell me, please tell me anyway, it is the law. I am not going to ask you to do anything with it. You handling it just increases the chances for anything to go wrong. And for God's sake, if you are going to carry...Carry a round in the freaking chamber....It does no good empty!
Signed NCLEO
Per my LEO family members (there's 5 of them working here in Oregon/Washington)
1: Stop and turn off vehicle.
2: Turn on Dome light
3: Hands at 10 & 2 on the steering wheel and don't move about your vehicle "looking for things" (like your ins. card, that will come later)
4: Inform Officer that you are a CCW card holder and that you are currently carrying (try to avoid using the word GUN if possible so as not to confuse other officers possibly present.
5: Ask the officer how he'd like to proceed...
6: When asked for your ID/ins card and permit tell them where it's located and that you're going to reach for them.
7: Present CCW card AND License and then remain with your hands @ 10 & 2....
8: follow officers instructions...
From there you may or may not get a ticket but as someone who's gone through this, the officer's attitude changed MAJORLY when I informed him that I was a CCW holder and had turned on the dome-light for his safety... I was let go for a pretty hefty speeding ticket and my family who are LEO's say that's real common.
YMMV, but that's the smart way to handle the situation...
+Nor Wester (4Rescue) I just posted same comment as you.I should've scrolled down first.
Going Yooper Ha, Great minds think alike mate. Cheers.
Just remember that in some states, concealing a loaded firearm in a glove box, console, under a seat, etc. without a CCL is a felony. In NC, you are required to carry an open carry weapon out of your holster and in plain view. I had several cops tell me they wouldn't be too concerned if the guy still had the weapon holstered because they consider that safer in the case of a vehicular accident, but they told me that I should at least remove it from the holster and place it on my seat if I were to be pulled and to keep both hands firmly on the wheel and declare that the weapon is in the vehicle. They all agreed that it was a stupid law, but it was the law nonetheless, at least when I lived there.
your channel is AWESOME and have taught me a lot ..Thank you .....just received my CCW permit
I've been pulled over twice since getting my concealed carry. Once for my tags being out of date; I forgot about them. The second time I was in a hurry on a back road with one headlight. Both times I used the time between being stopped and the officer getting to my window. In order to retrieve my wallet, and my registration. When he arrived at my window. I informed the officer of my concealed deadly weapons permit, and let him know I was carrying and where my pistol was. both time the officer said thank you for letting me know, you can be on your way. and didn't even ask for my registration. Great video TheYankeeMarshal
As a law enforcement officer, if I'm stopping a person in a vehicle who is a law abiding citizen carrying a firearm legally, the first words out of their mouth should be "Officer, I have a ccw permit and I am carrying." in a calm voice. Also, if you are in this circumstance, do what you're told even if you disagree with it. The time to sort it out is NOT on the side of the road. If you are legally in the right, it will get sorted out eventually.
WhiteCavendish I think notifying the officer is a simple matter of courtesy.
This is America, where you're innocent until proven guilty. You shouldn't have to have it "sorted out eventually". You sound like Hitler commanding the Nazi's, just do what you're told even if you disagree with it.
Kyle Lm Exactly, this is in the context of America where comparisons to the Nazis are baseless and silly. In America there are civil remedies for unlawful arrest and detention (which is very rare to begin with). If you're a "good guy" you have nothing to fear from the police; be straight up with them. If they think you are breaking the law it is their duty to take action. If you disagree, use the legal remedies that are in place. Trying to resist arrest when armed with a weapon is a good way to get yourself shot.
*****
I agree with your suggested response, provided that you're not being placed under arrest or detention. I totally agree with being police and keeping a cool head - the vast, vast majority of law enforcement officers are very good people. That's a statement backed up by facts and evidence - no profession in the world has more stringent hiring processes. My point is that resisting arrest, obstructing an officer, etc. is a majorly bad idea, moreso if you have a gun. That kind of behaviour signals you're not one of the good guys, and if you throw a gun in the mix, chances are you'll be proned out at gunpoint. Speaking as a law enforcement officer, if a person tells me right up front they have a permit to carry and they're carrying, I'm far less inclined to view them as a danger. I never let my guard down, but I'm going to react differently to that person. I also disagree that doing as an officer lawfully commands you leaves you "no legal ground in court." If anything, it makes you seem like a reasonable, law abiding citizen if you do find yourself in court. "Your honor, I told the officer that I felt he was violating my rights, but for everyone's safety, I didn't obstruct or resist him in any way." - Makes you sound believable, reasonable, responsible and not a dirt bag.
WhiteCavendish
"being polite" - typo
So a submariner's motorcycle club. Interesting! I did three and a half years on CG-27 Josephus Daniels put in a chit requesting sub duty but was happy just to get to be a quartermaster and I have been ridding since I was 16. I have owned about a 8 different bikes I like your videos and I learn a lot, thanks for the quality entertainment and education. I am never going to stop closer than a 1/2 cars length from the car in front of me ever again. Seriously considering carry with a chambered round hammer back safety on with my SA EMP 9. THANKS AGAIN!
Thank you. When I try to explain this to people who look like me, they think I'm wrong/crazy/sellout.
Even tho you don't look like me I'm glad you have validated the same thoughts I have on this subject.
100% good advice. I'm still working on my CCW here in IL; it's right around the corner, and we will have lawful duty to inform here. I'm not a "poser", but here is what my experience has taught me that every cop wants in a traffic stop: Pull over, stop engine, roll down window, put both hands on top of steering wheel, wait in that position until cop arrives, greet cop politely (execute duty to inform at this point) and wait for cop's instructions. Let the cop control the situation if you want to start the encounter on his or her good side, and if you were speeding or just rolled through a stop sign, that's what you need. The cop does not want you to be ready with license and insurance papers, the cop wants you to sit still with hands in view until he or she can get close enough to see what you are doing, and this is one more way to show you are a good guy with nothing to hide. As to CCW duty-to-inform, Mas Ayoob teaches us to keep hands in view, tell cop where gun is, and wait for cop's instructions. Cop may choose to disarm you for the duration of the encounter; follow cop's instructions. Even if the cop is a bad cop and violates your rights, don't argue about it there. Better to get a lawyer and go to court.
In Texas CHL Holders are required to simply present your CHL along with your drivers license IF you are carrying when you are stopped. If it's a night stop I also roll down all windows, turn on dome lights, and shut down the vehicle. I have been stopped 2x since receiving my Texas CHL in 1996 and was issued 2 warning tickets.
What I do out of courtesy is I take out my firearm and politely wave it around in the officer's general direction. That way they know I'm legally concealed carrying in a non-verbal and peaceful way.
That sounds like a great idea. I'm gonna try it next time I get pulled over. ;)
ROFL Imagine hearing the whisper "he's got a gun" and my butt starts looking around for who and ask who? Get pointed at while she says "You" The only thing I could think to say was "Where's yours?" That was creepy getting pointed at.
A better idea would be to smile and point the pistol directly at the officer, but make sure you say "My finger is not on the trigger, officer, and I have a CC license!"
Daniel Casher
Want to be a real smart ass, and this was successful, when asked "are you carrying?" Respond with "Hope you are." They were uniformed, on duty, when I pulled that one out of my ass. Laugh all you want, I know I got both the officer's attention.
Daniel Casher If you had done that to me when I was on the job, you would have died right there on the spot. I wasn't paid enough to go home in a body bag. Now if you jerkoffs who hate cops have a problem with me because of what I've said, unless you've walked in my shoes, you can go to hell.
I've been pulled over 2 times in the last 6-7 years (speeding). Both times I have had a pistol in the console.
In each case I have presented my insurance information and DL and received a warning (I have a CDL and I think LE are more lenient with CDL holders in their personal cars/pickups...just a theory).
No questions of weapons in the car were asked, so I didn't feel it necessary to volunteer that info. Had the officer asked I would surely have told them about the gun. So, from my own experience I would say TYM is spot on with this advice. Stay cool, be polite, be honest.
Another great video as usual
I always notify as soon as possible. "Good afternoon officer. I just want to let you know I'm a concealed carry permit holder and the weapon is in an inside the waistband holster on my right side." Since my tint is right on the border I get pulled over a lot and the usually ask me to step out and then they remove it. They'll just set it on the passenger seat when they're done and then I go on my way.
Nice video and great advice.
Thanks
The last time I was pulled over, I informed the officer I had a gun in the car, I already had all my info set on the dash with my license, had the interior light on and my hands on the wheel with the engine shut off. The stop went very well and he thanked me for being so cooperative and told me he wished everyone else were like me. No ticket was issued.
Love the videos. Keep up the good work
Good video ! Thanks for your insight.
First I want to tell you how much I appreciate your videos. The honest straight forward honest presentation is a relieve from a lot of others I've seem. They have good useful information. The police stop video caught my attention more for what you were wearing though. The shirt you were wearing has a "Silent Service MC' logo on it and I was wondering if there is a connection or did someone give it to you. Being a ex-bubble head, gun loving, biker I thought I was the only one, and it's nice to know I'm not alone.
Fidgeting around a gun that was in your cupholder while being pulled over, excellent advice on how to get a cop to be suspicious seeing you moving around, or get you shot. Awesome....
I got out of a ticket once because I had my rifle in the backseat. I was coming home from the range and noticed the Sheriff's Department was filling out there quotas for the month and pulling people over left and right in a 2 mile stretch after crossing the county line. A motorcycle deputy pulled me over for doing 63 in a 55 zone, but noticed I had my rifle laying across my backseat. He figured I was coming back from the range and asked me what I was shooting, and I told him about the gun, a Swiss Schmidt-Rubin 1911. He seemed mesmerized by the straight pull action and showing him the gun and telling him who sells them, he let me off with a warning.
Very logical. Never been stopped with a gun in vehicle. This is helpful
If it's dark, turn on all the lights inside your vehicle so the officer can plainly see what is in your vehicle and can see what you are doing. Give respect, get respect. Help ease the tension and make their job a little easier.
So incredibly well said. You are a benevolent citizen of our republic!
Thank you for the clarification!!
Last year I was pulled over and for good reason, just so happens I was speeding and knew it when it happened. The WV trooper asked for my info (license, registration and proof of insurance) As I handed over my info I also handed him my CCW permit. He politely asked if I was currently armed and I said "yes I am" and told him where I was carrying it. I could go the long way and explain every detail but in short I was let go with not even a warning and the reason the officer stated... He said "I appreciate your honesty and you're the most courteous person I've ever pulled over regarding carrying a firearm, enjoy the rest of the day and slow down". Handling the situation the correct way is the only way.
Yankee Marshal I agree with everything that you said. One small add I would say. If you are open carrying and put you gun away. Don't put it where you registration is. It would not be a good thing to open your glove box to get your registration out and a handgun fall out or have to move your handgun to get your registration out. plus in many states having a handgun in your glove box can get you charged with carrying concealed if you don't have a permit.
Love the channel yo!
I've been a police officer for almost 16 years. I'm very pro-gun. I appreciate someone telling me they are carrying when they have a license. I always tell them that as long as that gun stays where it is at, then we will get along just fine. As for the "furtive movements" comment made by others, furtive movements increase my pucker factor but I don't automatically yank them out of the car for a Terry Frisk. I'll take my time getting to the car to allow for backup to get closer or do a passenger side walk up. I'd much rather get into a shootout with a stationary target that's sitting in the car having to shoot over his shoulder than risk a running gun battle.
Had a recent LEO encounter - I went to the bank on a Sunday and discovered the door open (ATM is by the front door) - I called cops. When the first cop showed up, I gave him my DL and CCW and informed him that I WAS armed. He looked at my creds, handed them back and said "OK". While he was waiting for another unit to arrive, we had a polite conversation about what I was carrying, where it was at the type of holster I was using and where I go to target shoot. The REASON that I presented my creds is that cops are (supposed to be) trained observers. I might have *printed* and the last thing I wanted was to be face down on the pavement on such a fine Sunday afternoon, while they checked me out.
Last time I was pulled over while carrying was at night! I pulled over into a well lit area, put my dome light on and placed my hands on the wheel. When the officer came to the car, I let him know I had a permit to carry and it was in the front of my wb.
The officer thanked me, told me to leave it where it was and gave me a warning for the traffic offense.
Yankee marshall says it in the end. Forgot to add. If you are a good guy and are respectful and honest you have nothing to fear.
Great video, excellent advice. I've been pulled over twice while armed and my gun just never came up. It's concealed and not relevant to why I was pulled over. In fairness, however, I have never been ordered out of my car while armed. I very likely would inform an officer at that point, but not certain.
I have not been pulled over since I have had my carry permit. But what I plan on doing, and what Officers I know have informed me to do, is to just hand over your carry permit copy with your license. Then when he sees it he will either ask if you are carrying. Or you can go ahead and inform him that you are carrying at that point in time. Then put the ball into their court and ask how he would like to continue the process. Keep your hands on the wheel with no sudden movements while informing the officer as well. When you give them control, it can help with the stress involved for both you and the officer.
Some common sense advice. Thanks for the video. 👍
thanks fore teaching me your videos are educational!!
Were you a Submariner? I work with a ton of former navy nuke sub guys. Explains a lot mostly the ocd and sense of humor.
Love the vids
No, I could never be in the navy. I don't like slow dancing with Marines.
I think it depends on the region you are in. Here in Indiana there is no requirement to notify. What I do is hand my LTCH (License To Carry Handgun) along with my drivers license and vehicle registration to the officer. In all three stops I have gone though in the last 13 years the officer just asks where the gun is, I tell him and they have always just said keep your hands where I can see them. It works for me and seems to put the office at ease.
Thanks this answers a lot of concerns I had :-)
Real good info thanks 👍
My tags expired and I couldn't get my damn truck to pass emissions, so I was driving with expired plates for something like three weeks. I got pulled over by city, county and state patrols, multiple times. I always notified and they always appreciated it. The best response was the deputy who laughed and said, "Well, if you don't go for yours, I won't go for mine, how's that?"
Nice intro 🤣🤣🤣🤣 like your edumactional videos with some humour sprinkled in man keep it up
Great perspective on this. I agree about not making it an issue unless it's necessary. Concealed is concealed. In Colorado, where I live, there is no duty to inform, and officers supposedly have no access to a database of permit holders. So if I'm carrying concealed, the only time I would inform the officer is if he asks me to step out of the vehicle. If it's open, put it away, which is not the same thing as "hiding" it.
It's also important HOW you notify the officer, if you do. Mas Ayoob has a great video on that subject. czcams.com/video/bVReVYMLH7E/video.html very informative.
You are still one of my favorites.
ALWAYS be aware of your local laws. That includes researching other states' laws if you're traveling out of state. You may not be required to tell them you have a gun in your home state, but if you road trip and you don't know the law in the next state over you can have your road trip ruined REALLY quick. I always plan to tell up front regardless (as TYM mentioned in a comment, it's a simple matter of courtesy). If you choose not to, make sure that choice won't land you in jail or worse. The LAST thing you need is an involuntary boyfriend/cell mate.
I have been pulled over twice while carrying (licensed). In both cases I told the officer I was licensed and armed. In both cases, the response was "I know" as you pointed out was likely. While this was going on, I kept both hands on the steering wheel in plain sight. The only direct response to this was in both cases, a query as to where the gun was located, (on my left hip) with one asking further as to make and caliber. After that, it was all routine traffic stop with no more concern or discussion about the gun.
I always tell them "I'm permitted" then they've said just say don't reach for it. Cool with me, give me my ticket and I'll be on my way.
I got stopped on WA, as he walked up I handed him my license w/ my cpl. He asked if I was carrying, told him yeah. He handed it back and said thanks for letting him know. No issues.
Funny I came across this video. The other night I got very tired and pulled over on a dirt road to take a nap. When I do this my firearm is on my lap with my hand on it. Well a cop stopped to check and see if everything was ok But he said he saw the gun so he moved his car in front of my truck with his lights on so I would see it was a cop and wouldn't wake up and start shooting but we chatted I put the gun up and he was cool cause I did what he asked and wasn't trying to be a disrespectful ass. I put myself in yalls shoes and try to think what I would do in that situation it's common sense when your carrying do bring attention to yourself thanks for the video and thank you for your service
Don't spook them by saying the word "gun". Keep both hands in plain view, hand them your license and CCW and simply say: officer, I would like to inform you that I am legally carrying. Be respectful, courteous and treat the officer the way you would like to be treated. He or she is just trying to do their job and get home to their family at the end of the day.
Thanks for the advice!
i usely make sure my interior light on and my hand on the steering wheel until they walk up and ask me to roll the window down that is when I inform them that i have a firearm in the vehicle. The only time i ever had an officer get nervous was when i had one on the dash in the military 30 years ago CO state law stated it had to be visible post regulations wanted out of reach as I told the MP I'm in a pickup where do you suggest I carry it. We don't even want to talk about when I register my firearms on post. I carried a briefcase full of handguns into the MP station to register them. I never saw a bunch of MPs duck and cover so fast all of them hollering gun, gun, gun. I was politely told in no uncertain terms to never bring firearms back in the station just bring them a list of the serial numbers
respect and common sense goes a long way
10 and 2 and "I'm carrying a legal firearm" simple as that.....can't believe this guy suggested to move the gun at some point.....wow
+Chris Moore Yeah, Unreal. I can't imagine what he was thinking of. Then there is DumbDuck44 below suggestiing yellng "I HAVE A GUN!!!" which is even worse!
Another video suggests in the case of a traffic stop giving the cop your CCW permit along with your license and possibly a statement to the effect. "I am carrying now" after they have looked at it. That immediately tells the officer what he/she needs to know without lengthy and potentially confusing explanations, and avoids the "g" word entirely. I think that is in Massad Ayoob's video here.
Great video.
You have a goofy channel, but I appreciate the seriousness when you, based on your experience as LE, discuss a serious topic. Thanks.
Yankee got me blapped with this advice
One thing I remember being taught in class is if you have a gun in the car put both hands on the wheel while you inform officer of your CCW and gun. Take hands off wheel only after officer tells you to.
My procedure when being pulled over while carrying: *1)* Leave the gun where it is and get out your driver's license, registration, gun permit, and place them on the dashboard in front of you. The put your hands on the steering wheel until the officer approaches. *2)* When asked, hand the officer the three items, PUT YOUR HANDS BACK ON THE STEERING WHEEL, and wait until they discover you are the owner of a gun. They will ask you if you have it with you, to which you simply reply yes.
Doing it this way prevents any surprises, and the officer will most likely appreciate it. Cops are just trying to get to the end of their shift so they can go home and be with their families. This method is just a good dose of consideration for those who are helping to protect your neighborhood.
Years ago as a young Deputy Sheriff I made a traffic stop with two well dressed men in the vehicle. .I made my approach and noticed both men had both their hands on the dash board. When I came close enough the driver said they were armed and then identified themselves as NYC detectives visiting the Correctional facility near our city. The driver left one hand on the dash and removed very slowly his badge which I checked very carefully, I have never forgot this and passed the process on to my fellow deputies as good advise if pulled over in a traffic situation while carrying concealed off duty....Why not do this every time this may happen, it sure made me alert and prepared for anything....and put me at some ease...but cautious
We're required to inform in Missouri. Been pulled over a couple times. I informed the
officer that I was legally carrying and that there was only one way he could see the
gun...come out to the "farm" some Saturday and he could even shoot it if he wanted. Since neither officer asked directions, I assumed neither was interested.
Just pointing this out: in Massachusetts it is mandatory by state law that if you have a loaded handgun in your car it MUST be under your DIRECT CONTROL, which limits its placement pretty much solely to on your person.
Yankee, I was surprised to hear you say sometimes you don't carry. In my state if you have completed the academy you carry something. My sons conceal carry, I taught them that's about the first thing out of their mouth when a contact is made.
while this covers the basics, I can give you specifics things to do when armed and pulled over. These are only for carrying firearms when you are going to declare your firearms BEFORE BEING ASKED by the Officer.
1- ROLL DOWN YOUR WINDOW(S) COMPLETELY. If you have electric windows roll them all down to allow the Officer easy view into the entire vehicle.
2- After positioning the windows, PUT BOTH HANDS ON THE STEERING WHEEL AND KEEP THEM THERE. It is possible the Officer already KNOWS you have a CCW and if not, at least afford him/her the confidence of seeing where your hands are until greeting.
3- Use the terms LEGAL and Licensed / permitted when addressing your firearm. "I got a gun" is not what should come out of your mouth as they walk up. "I have a firearms carry permit and I am legally carrying a firearm right now." is much better.
4- Whatever the Officer asks...just FUCKING DO IT. The law doesnt require the Officer to justify his actions TO YOU. He only has to justify his actions AFTERWARD. If he/she is doing something wrong...let the COURTS and their department handle that...AFTERWARDS..... And as legal advice... dont mention it to the Officer either. "I'm gonna sue your ass" doesnt really help your case... Just shut up and call a lawyer AFTERWARD if you need to.
I have to scream this because many IDIOTS dont get this... YOU WILL FUCKING LOSE YOUR RIGHT TO CARRY A FIREARM FOR FIGHTING WITH AN OFFICER EVEN IF WHAT THE OFFICER ASKS YOU TO DO IS NOT ALLOWED UNDER THE LAW.
I have a concealed carry license, and I've been stopped a few times while the gun was in the car.
Naturally, I don't touch it at all, but I ALWAYS hand the cop my drivers license, registration, AND CCW permit, right before I explain that I have a handgun and tell him where it is.
They always seem appreciative that I give them that extra bit of courtesy.
I was pulled over a few weeks ago in Dallas. Two officers approached the car. I held my hands at ten and two. The police seemed irritated at first since I accidentally ran a stop sign right in front of them. I gave him my DL and he told me he was going to run it.I held my wallet open unintentionally while I spoke to him. His disposition changed. He handed my DL and insurance and told me to have a nice day. I was wondering why he didn’t run my name through the computer, then realized that my LTC was visable to him while I held my wallet open. He probably knew I was a law abiding citizen and cut me a break. I wonder if the majority of police respect or despise CHL holders.
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My grandfather used to carry a cap and ball revolver (no I'm not joking, I think he did just to show he could) anyways he passed on this advice to me and I think it is pretty sound advice he told me when I can carry to keep your left hand out the window and your right hand on 12 o'clock on the steering wheel.
Wow! Kids today eh? Remember way back (maybe you saw it on TV) when you sat next to your sister in the car? You'd put your finger mere millimeters in front of her nose. "STOP!," she'd say. One of your parents would yell and you'd retort, "I'm not touching her," and snicker to yourself.
Yup. You were within your rights. You were obeying the rules. You were NOT, technically, touching your sister and therefore you were without fault.
So, uhm. Here we are years later. You're an adult now. Grow the F' up. If a cop tells you do do something, do it. I don't care what rights you think you have, just do it. Those people risk their lives protecting the liberties you enjoy every day. If they think that they can defuse a situation or prevent possible escalation by asking you to go back inside your house, then do it. I don't care if it's your own private property or not. And no, it's not a good time to take the dog for a walk at 1am cuz you feel like it. (and the cops are doing their job in front of your house)
Quit being part of the problem and be part of the solution. If you kids (I say kids.. I'm older. I blame stuff on the young. I'm sure older folks are just as constipated.) are so sure the police are so corrupt, then become one yourself. Truly. Quit arm-chair policing and get in the game.
Or better yet, keep attacking the police for making you feel un-loved while they do their best to keep this country's own people from killing each other. Lets push this until all police go on strike. "Screw them. If they don't want our help then I'll go do something else that makes more money."
Let's see how safe your neighborhoods are then. Let's see how un-loved you feel when all the other un-loved, no dodge-ball playing, win/lose trophy winning, no pledge saying, whiners come knocking on your door with bats and there are no cops to complain to.
Most of the people here so seemingly obsessed with acting stuck-up and "technical" really are kids with little knowledge of the real world. It's like trying to explain common courtesy to a group of immature middle-schoolers. It's CZcams.
I know my rights, and I know what I'm required to do. However, if I'm not doing or have done anything wrong, I know that it is quicker and easier to comply with an officers request. So what if they want you to roll your window down, if you're not drunk or smoking pot in the car what is it going to hurt? Not a damned thing. They ask for your license and insurance (registration in my state is on the windshield) don't start that, "not until you tell me what I've done wrong" crap. They pulled you over for a reason. If they trump up a charge then fight it in court, on the side of the road is not the place to do it and will only get you arrested 99 times out of 100 for failure to comply with a lawful order and you'll then be charged for resisting arrest as well and still get hit with that trumped up charge.
There was only one time in my whole life I wished I'd not done what I was told by an officer. I was working for a private security firm, and I had a federal issued carry permit to open carry a hand gun in a non open carry state, as well as a CHL. In my state a CHL is not required to carry a CH in a vehicle or your person as long as you are in a vehicle, rather only when outside of the vehicle or off of your own private property. The officer asked if I had any weapons in the car. Of course I told him about the sidearm I had (it was a custom colt commander with the standard length para ordnance frame, I think he was jealous because it was bigger than his 9mm and carried as many rounds). I also informed him of my jacket and ankle back up that I was required to carry for work all three legal firearms under my two licenses. Then he asked if I had any others in the vehicle and not on my person. When I told him yes I had one in the glove box and one under the seat, all legal. He flipped out and wanted to search my vehicle. I provided him with both of my hand gun licenses when the stop was initiated by him with my DL and my insurance. I hide nothing from him. I even allowed him to search my vehicle, he found nothing that I hadn't told him already was legally in the car or on me. But the fact that he searched me and my truck was uncalled for in my opinion. I was upfront with him and wanted him to feel as comfortable as possible and even asked him if he wanted to disarm me for the duration of the stop. He didn't, and he didn't even cuff me, but the search was uncalled for. I was even later for work than I would have been had I just kept my mouth shut and went about my business and accepted the ticket without notifying him of anything. He would never have seen any of my weapons or even known they were there. Even my open carry had he come to the passenger side was under the edge of my heavy coat in the middle of winter. Sometimes it is best to just keep your mouth shut. But to be honest I would do it again the exact same way. The fact that we see only bad things on the news about cops doesn't tell the whole story about every cop out there. There are a lot more good cops than bad, and most of what people think are bad cops are just men trying to do their jobs and go home to their family safely. If you've nothing to fear and you've done nothing wrong it's still best to just listen and sort things out as they go. Now let the "but my rights" trolls fire away because I know they will.
Your comparison with the "I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!!" thing is *SPOT ON*. I'm 21, and it's obvious to me that these people who insist on -abusing- exercising their rights all the time just need to grow up.
All good advice. Odds are in your favor being decent to the copper will work for you both.
In Michigan you are required to notify the officer if you have a CPL you must tell the officer that you have the license and if you are carrying a weapon.
I was pulled over in Kingston, NY about 6 weeks ago as I was turning into a pharmacy parking lot. I pulled into a space, turned on the inside lights, and as I was reaching for my wallet the officer rapped on my window. Couldn't have been more than 5 seconds after I turned off the engine. There were actually two cops, one driving and one in the passenger seat of the squad car.
Here's how the headline would have read the next day had I been putting my gun away at that moment: "Kingston Police Kill Armed Driver." Then, "Officers said the man was reaching for his handgun, and they feared for their lives."
Like that lady who was executed on the streets of DC a few weeks back, it's little consolation that the police were not following departmental guidelines -- if, indeed, they were not. They will be exonerated 99.999% of the time.
In maine you have to have the gun "visible" inside a vehicle when open carrying. I never renewed my ccw so I've checked up on this when I'm in state (travel a lot). I'm not sure how they would handle it as far as if it was on your hip (open carry in holster) like I do when outside because it isn't visible. So it either has to be locked in a case or out. I just make sure it is in a holder on the passenger seat strapped in to the back rest (i made a retention unit). We also can't have any ammunition in the mag or chamber (oc in vehicle). It would be unlawful to hide the weapon in the console or otherwise. It's tough when getting stopped (rare) but I have a sticker on my window for the brand I carry and nra that is a good identifier to the officer (and the only reason why I have it) and I make sure to keep both hands on the wheel at first and state "hello officer, I am open carrying and my firearm is not loaded and is in this location.'' I have only had one officer that was uninformed tell me I must have a permit (not true) so I said nicely "I will hand you the mag and you can acquire the firearm to hold while you read the law.'' I know a lot of people would argue against handing over the firearm but if the officer is not being an issue I will kindly do so to make them feel at ease (a lot of younger officers here). Just wanted to post that because some states you cannot just hide the weapon unless you want to spend some time in jail if they see you do so. Great channel and very informative. I
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Good sound advice.
It would be a good idea to keep driver's license on opposite sides(i.e gun on right wallet on left) also if at all possible turn overhead lights on for maximum visibility for LEO offering full compliance. Hope this helps everyone as much as helped me
Absolutely right. Even here, in the great white North (Canada) courtesy goes a long way. While we don't have carry/conceal it's perfectly legal for me to have any of my longarms in my vehicle with my PAL ( possession acquisition license) As a law abiding citizen, when the cop sees my PAL, and I act with courtesy and respect I tend to get the same in return.
The best advice is to follow these four simple steps:
1) rapidly exit the vehicle so that you are in plain view and so the officer knows you have no intent to flee
2) Loudly shout "I HAVE A GUN!!! I HAVE A GUN!!!" this ensures you are properly heard, and repeating so there is no misunderstanding.
3) Quickly pull out your firearm and show it to the officer so he knows where it is and can be at ease
4) If the officer then asks you to put the gun down, briskly walk towards him so you can place the gun at his feet so he can more closely inspect it
This procedure will work for anyone, but its particularly helpful if you are black, because police officers will relate you to their commander in chief, President Obama, which gets you some respect bonus points.
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+DumbDuck44 This worked. The officer let me go with out any problems what so ever! Hell he even congratulated me on my excellent execution!
LMFAO!!!
+DumbDuck44 this made my day
+DumbDuck44 Hahahhahahahahaha. Damn. Too bad theres plenty of gullible people out there.
When in doubt keep your mouth shut is my motto. Be courteous and respectful to the police but don't volunteer information. If they don't see my gun they don't need to know about my gun. If they do see it I explain that I am legally carrying.
Bingo.
It's up to you to make the officer feel comfortable. Respect and honesty go a long way in lowering the temperature. I live in state were we are not required to inform, but with my license, insurance and registration I also include my carry license. This way the officer knows I'm probably armed legally before any conservation.
I've had two police encounters in FL. When my disabled vehicle was pushed of the interstate, I decided to inform. I thought I had to at the time. I was wrong but, he was cool. I think he laughed when I said I had a 22. Turns out, it was one of the worst areas in Jacksonville. When I was pulled over for speeding a few weeks ago, I didn't mention it. The cop was extremely nervous and I didn't want to make things worse. Be prepared before a police encounter. Have your viewers look up the term "furtive movements"
FYI - In some states, such as PA, Concealed Carry and carrying in a vehicle are considered the same thing under the law. Therefore, "Open Carry" (as it's legally defined) is not possible within a vehicle, whether as an operator or passenger. However, Open Carry *is* legal in PA without a CCW (with certain limitations). The general unspoken rule is: if you have a CCW, then keep it concealed or you'll probably find your permit revoked for "Overt and Unnecessary Display'" and if you don't have a permit, but are a legal gun-owner, you can carry your gun as long as it's not concealed in any way, an is reasonably under control in a hands-free manner about your person. Note that having your firearm in your hand, for any reason other than the basics, can easily get you a charge of "brandishing" - something else that will get your permit revoked should you already have one, and/or permanently denied if you do not. So - it is certainly not wise to have one in your hand when an officer approaches your car window - regardless of your intention to "just keep him informed visually of its presence and condition."
It may seem a bit wacky - but I am sure that the mental giants who formed this legal mumbo-jumbo had good intentions and were thinking clearly at the time(s). Not sure how many other states may be similar.
And yes, the idea of having the gun in your hand to "visually inform the officer of its presence and condition" isn't the joke that it sounds like. I have first hand experience with it. And no - it wasn't me that did it. But I was in the damn car at the time. One of my friends is a former Ranger with Silver Star for Valor, and while he's very brave and loyal, he isn't very friggin' bright (in spite of his use of words like "visually" and "presence." After rolling through a stop-sign, he was pulling off the road for the marked cruiser that observed it and was now behind us, and his Glock fell out of the shoulder holster it was in (because he hadn't snapped the retainer snap right - remember those Galco Miami Classic's made famous by Don Johnson?). So anyway, instead of shoving it out of sight or trying to reinsert it into the holster (both of which he said would look suspicious), he decided to simply hold it there in his hand across his lap, out in the open and in clear view as the officer walked up to the driver's side window. So - the officer sees the gun in his lap FIRST, reacts, and damn near shoots us all, and then realized who was in the car - at the time he had no clue because it was a rental (another long story from a pre-9/11 world). Luckily, we both knew the officer, and he cut everyone a huge break. But we didn't know that before he walked up to the window and damn near flipped out and shot the driver. Talk about fun in the summer sun for all parties involved!
But you know - that whole incident really got me straight with regard to thinking my way through that kind of thing in the future - know the law, sure... But more importantly consider what the officer is going to see, think, and react to - before you ever have the opportunity to explain anything. It just might save your life if you aren't too bright.
I have only been stopped once. I handed the cop my CCW on TOP of my drivers license. Has asked where it was, I told him, and he asked me to keep my hands away from my right hip. I said great and he never even mentioned it again.
Oh, and the ticket? He caouldn't see my seat belt as the color was close to the color of my jacket. All good in the end :)
Very good to the point advice. Also, never get overly friendly with the police by trying to start up a conversation with them. Also, keep bumper or window stickers off of your car. Keeping it clean and uncluttered also helps. They tend to snoop less. Be sure to dress conservatively, even when you go grocery shopping.