The Mauler Twins really turned into some interesting set of characters. First being portait as brutal savages but as the story progresses you realize that they are litteral genuisses.
@@Reviewer2016spoilers( in the comics one dies and the one still alive is all fucked up. When he makes a clone it’s in perfect condition and at first they do the whole “looks like it worked clone”. But because he was mutilated that clone knew he was a clone. Then later on murdered the mutilated guy
@@meurumtrain4747I remember in the series that the surviving Mauler laid in left bed so the clone at waking up must thought "dude, I laid in left bed and after 15 min I have a clone..... wait, why am I in the right bed?" And I am not sure about their regen powers but the original must have a drill scar he used to take DNA template.
I think the reason why is cause they expected the robot twins to do what they did but they didn’t expect the clone to accept that he was a copy of the original and that the original was willing to let the clone be free of him and accept death rather than live and maybe control the clone in a way
@@Oakland510 I mean if he took my dna and explained to me that thanks to me he finally got a body to experience life and not stay in a pod I wouldn't be mad. Actually I would be glad that it helped him to live a life he never could before.
@@spider-man8455 Yh but ask my permission first ? When he grows up into adult Rex body he could confuse Rex’s family or pretend he is Rex and commit evil crimes to frame him. You don’t see these implications ?
When I saw how the Twins explained how they worked, I thought it was genius! There is always the story of the one who clones himself, and it always ends up bad either by destroying the clone or the clone destroying the original, but those two avoid that by not knowing exactly who the clone is... Thus not risking loosing the sense of loosing the original.
If you read the comics, a bunch of twins are all in the same room when it collapses/explodes and the only one alive had half of his face destroyed, leaving a giant scar. And because of that, he was the "original" and when he cloned himself, he treated the Clone as a servant and not an ally. And by the end the original got killed by the clone because it was better for everyone that no one knew who was the Clone and who wasn't
@@kilderok Not stupid, the twins tears is a way to empathize the sadness of the moment, no one is talking about "Ohh I need another character to confirm if I have to feel sorry or not".
@@Luigi-xg7hx Where did I say anything was stupid? Did you mean "empathize" or "emphasize"? Why would anyone need another character to confirm anything? What is this response?
@@kilderokjesus man calm down he was just pointing out that as evil as they are, even maulers couldn’t help but cry seeing it. It’s a nice touch of writing there.
I love how even though the Maulers fight over who's the clone and who's the original, they both know if it was obvious which was which, it would mean disaster.
It's interesting that it's only a disaster because of the Maulers' personality. They're too narcissistic to treat a clone as an equal. Robot/Rudy on the other hand was okay with both sides of the outcome. "This was always the plan." One dies and ends his physical misery while sending on an equal splinter of his consciousness, and he is that equal clone in an idealized body who still has empathy for the original.
@@KalasenZyphurus true. I'm fairly narcissistic myself but I'd love to have a clone. I'd be best friend with him. I'd hoped for an alternate scenario where they both share a link which can transfer memories to brain. So if the clone guy enjoys life, he is able to share his experience with the original and they both can be happy like that.
@@KalasenZyphurusYou're right, but the interesting thing is that even though the Maulers are narcissistic, they are smart enough to realize that, and work around it. Not many narcissistic people are that self conscious
The cloning process in this show is fascinating, having one’s perspective and mind inhabit two vessels while also remaining independent is such an odd concept, in theory, it is still the original Robots consciousness continuing as if nothing had occurred, but his consciousness is still in the old body, he both lives and dies at the same time.
His consciousness didn't exactly continue. His memories and experience were copied into the new body, which in turn gave birth to a new identical consciousness. Cloning is never immortality no matter how good the mechanism is.
Title correction, “Robot gets cloned”. Robot was always human, he was just born with an abnormal body, he just cloned his consciousness into a new and more suitable human body.
Such a painful, sad moment. Even one of the tough, ruthless twins teared up ...And then immediately gets to business, not a moment for the grievance of oneself! This show is brutal from start to end.
The game SOMA did something very similar with conscious transference. Difference here is SOMA made it a lot darker where you basically choose to kill your former self or allow them roam be stranded all alone in a dying under sea fortress. Even the ending was bleak and very dark. Love to see more properties focus on this sort of thing.
If I recall correctly, you don't choose to kill them. You transfer your consciousness to the ark and launch it... and just remain. Alone at the bottom of the sea. Because transfer stations ceased the former construct at the same time as the transfer... except that one time where it malfunctions by a few seconds revealing how it worked. However, the Ark wasn't a transfer station, it was just a vessel.
@@acephantom903 It was not a transfer, it was always copy-paste method. When you going to leave Omicron, you're given a choice of simply leave or turn off previous iteration of Simon to spare them of being stranded all alone. When Simon gets uploaded to the Ark it was copy of Simon to be uploaded, not the Simon that sits in the pilot chair.
@@bobanfrombangladesh I understand that it is a copy paste... it is just that it was introduced as a transfer which is why it is a shock the first time you realize what is happening. I need to play Soma again. I didn't realize there was a choice.
There is a method in SOMA where you could change bodies without cloning your brain, by that point every character's brain is on a usb stick device and you could theoretically plug it into a new body but because in game you're the only character capable of physically interacting with your environment you're only method for going into a new body is cloning your brain on another usb stick plugged into another body.
I mean, it's demonstrated repeatedly that it's copy-paste. Every Mockingbird in the game was supposed to clue you in on that. And if that wasn't enough, you learn you're actually a cyborg Frankenstein corpse monster who is just a copy of the very first Simon who just consented to keeping his data around as a template for future AI technology. There's just copies all over the place. If you give a moments thought, it's pretty evident that there's no way you mash the brain of your Frankenstein monster into a server farm. It's not like there's a USB plug for that. The best they can do is copy your data over. The staff also were selectively misinformed, or deliberately chose not to understand, that it was copy-paste all along. That's kind of why the coin-toss analogy annoys me. There is no coin toss. There is the original and the clone. If the clone doesn't immediately understand that they've been birthed, they're either ignorant or stupid. And the original is likewise so for not understanding they're stuck exactly where they are, no matter what.
I like how one of The Maulers mentions "the coin toss" to make Robot feel better. There's no coin toss. It's a copy - paste, not cut - paste. You who enters the machine will always "loose" the toss. You will always stay in the old body. The clone is a new consciousness with all of your memories up to this point, after the cloning you diverge, you don't have the same memories anymore. Soma is one hell of a game.
it's just as much of a coin toss as being born. you were always going to be who you are, and other people are other people, even if you influence them with your memories/actions
@@yargolocus4853 The thing is there is no inherent reason for any given consciousness to exist in any given time or place. You might not be "you" but there's no reason why your consciousness could not have been created cenutries ago.
That's true for Soma, but not necessarily for Invincible. With real world tech yeah, but comic tech could easily transfer minds. People transfer bodies in comics plenty.
@@thethundernado6670 yes and no. When Jarvis was attacked by ultron, he was technically destroyed, but scattered into the net and tony stark pieced him back together, they then used the matrix of Jarvis to make vision and create something new entirely.
Btw, in this scene they joke about condense brains= smarter. but condense neurons and bigger brain doesn't mean you are more smart. Birds have condense brains and whales have big brain. What makes animals more intelligent is still a mystery.
@@Mitaka-Asa denser neurons still means more connections, maybe not smarter, but better capacity to think. Birds have denser brains while whales have large but less dense brains due to their sizes and required functions. A bird with less neurons won't be able to handle it's bodily processes, and a whale wouldn't exactly have many benefits for the huge cost for more neurons inside their already massive brains. Brains are very costly in energy and oxygen, so life finds a way to always have the optimal brain capacity to suit the needs of each animal
robot can control multiple robots suits with his main (later in the history he is controlling hundreds at the same time) so this makes sense a little bit
That how cloning works or to specific mind transferring. We don't have the technology to fully convert the mind so this is the beat our tech can do. This is why it was never performed in real life. It would be considered inhumane.
That how cloning works or to specific mind transferring. We don't have the technology to fully convert the mind so this is the beat our tech can do. This is why it was never performed in real life. It would be considered inhumane.
@@pixelcount350 your acting like if a human has been cloned, so far only animals (atleast from the public stance who tf knows if the government already cloned a human)
@@J8den We had the capability of cloning humans a long time ago. It was deemed immoral. Recently it was done on humans by scientists to get rid of a human defect.
“ Oh, to be human once again. “ I bet those were the final thoughts when he decided to transfer a copy of his own greatness into his new Rex-copied form.
Love the Mauler Twins, they aren't mustace twirling villains. But rather affable villains, yeah they do bad things but they aren't gonna be a jerk about it and they can actually emphasize with others.
I really hope they don't completely follow through with the whole arc of Robot from the comics even though for better or for worse Robot was always right.
What I noticed is that Invincible and SOMA both use the expression "losing the coin toss". I wonder where that comes from. In reality for the original there is a 0% chance of ending in the other body. For the copy there is a false sensation of body transfer due to having false(copied) memories as soon as it gains consciousness. TLDR: Don't let Scotty beam you anywhere.
From your point of view, as a consciousness, you don't know who you are until the process is finished, so it's a 50/50 chance (a coin toss) to guess right. In the end randomness does not truely exist if you understand a system well enough.
@@realdapperdiceOne coin given two outcomes when it land: one in the dirt, the other facing the world? The coin was always going to end up in this situation, the face facing up doesn’t really matter? That, and wether you remain in the body or in the new one is 50/50
I like the plotline behind this scene. It's got elements of great scifi books like Rogue Moon (1960), Snowcrash (1992), Otherland (1996). I'd be glad to hear of any other examples?
The whole coin toss trick really just brings me back to the SOMA days and how dark of a reality that was for the main character trying to make a sense for how the whole cloning of the mind works. What a dark game.
For a genius, he can't seem to have acquired the knowledge of advanced genetic and medical engineering from literally a multitude of experts such as these twins.
@@ulyx9804 I mean in this world with plenty of advanced experts, he could even logically ask the government to genetically "cure" him as part of becoming more effective as a Guardian.
This is even sadder if you remember that new robot body and old one arent the same and are different person, robot really died, and its only a clone we see here, even if he have a copy of his mind, he dont have his soul
The entire time this was happening I thought to myself why didn't rudy just have the Maulers clone his original body and then modify it so it developed right. Then it hit me. Rudy's body is so messed up with so many birth defects and deformities that it probably looked like the genetics equivalent to a tangled up ball of yarn. I doubt even the Maulers together along with the most brilliant minds in their field couldn't reverse what happened to him.
Indeed. Hell even his brain and its abnormal condition nearly screwed up the transfer before one of the Maulers had to hotwire their own device to compensate and make the transfer stable enough (for another minute before it started to overload).
He says he chose Rex's body since monster girl showed a form of attraction to it. Its possible his original DNA is too messed up or he doesn't think that he'll look good to monster girl in a normal form. I just think Rudy didn't care enough to put in the effort towards repairing it
The only flaw in the explanation for the Maulers is that they would obviously know who the original one is, because they've had to transfer their consciousness to a new body, meaning they'll wake up next to themselves. They'll obviously know which table they lay on and which table the clone was on. The only way this explanation can work and neither know who is the original is if the tables swap can swap themselves around a completely random amount of times with no way of checking their starting positions. Then you'd never know.
Considering what will eventually come of this, I don’t know if souls and magic exist in this setting, but I would be very interested in seeing the original robot meet with his, brother? In a couple decades to reflect on what came of this moment.
Rudolph's brain size didn't match Rex's brain size. I think Robot would be quite nerfed in Rex's body and wouln't really be as intelligent as always. Then again, it's fiction. Anyway. I know he's a big psychopath but I like Robot a big deal somehow.
Sad thing is, in a many ways..Robot is more of a hero than mark/Invincible. But he winds up getting backed into a corner by his teammates sheer stupidity not just once, but MULTIPLE times. and he's STILL the one to build a better world that Mark is incapable of.
In a show full of blood and gore this scene was the hardest to watch. Robot was already suffering with his deformed body while disconnected from his life support. And here we see him in even more pain and bleeding from his mouth before dying.
I love and hate the fact that many people have SOMA as a game and as an ending when they see this clip. And yes,i won't hold it back...there is literally no coin-toss in such topics....
This reminds me of Spider-Man tas where a alternate peter Parker was cloned both didn’t who was the clone. When it was theorized that one was the clone it drove that one over the edge
The Mauler Twins really turned into some interesting set of characters. First being portait as brutal savages but as the story progresses you realize that they are litteral genuisses.
Considering they admit to making it so they don’t know which one is which to avoid some existential crisis that is very accurate.
@@Reviewer2016spoilers(
in the comics one dies and the one still alive is all fucked up. When he makes a clone it’s in perfect condition and at first they do the whole “looks like it worked clone”. But because he was mutilated that clone knew he was a clone. Then later on murdered the mutilated guy
@@meurumtrain4747 ouch
And here I thought they just wanted to avoid the whole “avoiding an existential crisis” thing
they're evil but there are lines they'll never cross. I love a well-constructed anti-villain, or a "professionals have standards" type.
@@meurumtrain4747I remember in the series that the surviving Mauler laid in left bed so the clone at waking up must thought "dude, I laid in left bed and after 15 min I have a clone..... wait, why am I in the right bed?"
And I am not sure about their regen powers but the original must have a drill scar he used to take DNA template.
One of the them cries and 5 seconds later asks for their payment
At the end of the day, they are still professionals
A true doctor.
@@dettlaffvandereretein1776 underrated comment, made me laugh
Business is business
just like real doctors lmao
Even one of the twins cried.
they related hard to that
@@falcont2tjockey until he double crossed them
I think the reason why is cause they expected the robot twins to do what they did but they didn’t expect the clone to accept that he was a copy of the original and that the original was willing to let the clone be free of him and accept death rather than live and maybe control the clone in a way
Louie Tirol they both don’t know which is the original so it’s more of twins
Surely the clone
Change the world.... my final message, goodbye.
Literally this
He will... enslave the world.
Was literally thinking of this meme during the scene
I was gonna comment this 🤣
Rat
This is what makes this show so good … even the baddies have depth.
Have you read the comics?
The show isn't good its mid af
@@troymcclure681 your mom is mid
The certified baddies
@@troymcclure681🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡
That was sad as fuck. Robot acts like a creep but he never experienced life and learned societal norms. He doesn't know how to be normal.
Lots of humans like him in the real world, believing themselves to be empty...a tragedy.
Not cool taking rex’s dna though
"doesn't know how to be normal". You mean to be a conformist? That's the problem with most humans.
@@Oakland510 I mean if he took my dna and explained to me that thanks to me he finally got a body to experience life and not stay in a pod I wouldn't be mad. Actually I would be glad that it helped him to live a life he never could before.
@@spider-man8455 Yh but ask my permission first ? When he grows up into adult Rex body he could confuse Rex’s family or pretend he is Rex and commit evil crimes to frame him. You don’t see these implications ?
When I saw how the Twins explained how they worked, I thought it was genius! There is always the story of the one who clones himself, and it always ends up bad either by destroying the clone or the clone destroying the original, but those two avoid that by not knowing exactly who the clone is... Thus not risking loosing the sense of loosing the original.
If you read the comics, a bunch of twins are all in the same room when it collapses/explodes and the only one alive had half of his face destroyed, leaving a giant scar. And because of that, he was the "original" and when he cloned himself, he treated the Clone as a servant and not an ally. And by the end the original got killed by the clone because it was better for everyone that no one knew who was the Clone and who wasn't
@@Lowgitech issue number?
@@christianvirtudazo3106 I don't remember, been a while since I read it but it's one of the later ones
They took it directly from the game soma.even mentioning winning the coin toss.
@@max16 uggghh the ending of soma is kinda dark as heck .......all alone..........
You realize this is really sad when even Twins feel sorry for him.
That's what it takes for you to realize that it's really sad? It's not recognized as really sad inherently by the subject matter alone? LMAO
@@kilderok Not stupid, the twins tears is a way to empathize the sadness of the moment, no one is talking about "Ohh I need another character to confirm if I have to feel sorry or not".
@@Luigi-xg7hx Where did I say anything was stupid? Did you mean "empathize" or "emphasize"? Why would anyone need another character to confirm anything? What is this response?
@@kilderokjesus man calm down he was just pointing out that as evil as they are, even maulers couldn’t help but cry seeing it. It’s a nice touch of writing there.
@@Nemenis facts
I love how even though the Maulers fight over who's the clone and who's the original, they both know if it was obvious which was which, it would mean disaster.
It's interesting that it's only a disaster because of the Maulers' personality. They're too narcissistic to treat a clone as an equal. Robot/Rudy on the other hand was okay with both sides of the outcome. "This was always the plan." One dies and ends his physical misery while sending on an equal splinter of his consciousness, and he is that equal clone in an idealized body who still has empathy for the original.
@@KalasenZyphurus true. I'm fairly narcissistic myself but I'd love to have a clone. I'd be best friend with him. I'd hoped for an alternate scenario where they both share a link which can transfer memories to brain. So if the clone guy enjoys life, he is able to share his experience with the original and they both can be happy like that.
@@KalasenZyphurusYou're right, but the interesting thing is that even though the Maulers are narcissistic, they are smart enough to realize that, and work around it. Not many narcissistic people are that self conscious
Did you watch season 2?
@@KalasenZyphurus Can't they tell by which side they wake up on?
The cloning process in this show is fascinating, having one’s perspective and mind inhabit two vessels while also remaining independent is such an odd concept, in theory, it is still the original Robots consciousness continuing as if nothing had occurred, but his consciousness is still in the old body, he both lives and dies at the same time.
you should play Soma if this concept interests you. beware though, it will fuck up your perception of reality.
This happened by mistake he was supposed to fully take control of that body with his full consciousness NOT just to be independent
It's a perfect copy of you, not really you
His consciousness didn't exactly continue. His memories and experience were copied into the new body, which in turn gave birth to a new identical consciousness. Cloning is never immortality no matter how good the mechanism is.
He is quantum like Schrodinger's cat !
Title correction, “Robot gets cloned”. Robot was always human, he was just born with an abnormal body, he just cloned his consciousness into a new and more suitable human body.
Such a painful, sad moment. Even one of the tough, ruthless twins teared up ...And then immediately gets to business, not a moment for the grievance of oneself! This show is brutal from start to end.
The very fact that this actually TOUCHED the Mauler Twins speaks plenty.
Incredible writing!
just because you are bad guy doesn't mean you have to be BAD guy
The game SOMA did something very similar with conscious transference. Difference here is SOMA made it a lot darker where you basically choose to kill your former self or allow them roam be stranded all alone in a dying under sea fortress. Even the ending was bleak and very dark. Love to see more properties focus on this sort of thing.
If I recall correctly, you don't choose to kill them. You transfer your consciousness to the ark and launch it... and just remain. Alone at the bottom of the sea. Because transfer stations ceased the former construct at the same time as the transfer... except that one time where it malfunctions by a few seconds revealing how it worked. However, the Ark wasn't a transfer station, it was just a vessel.
@@acephantom903 It was not a transfer, it was always copy-paste method. When you going to leave Omicron, you're given a choice of simply leave or turn off previous iteration of Simon to spare them of being stranded all alone. When Simon gets uploaded to the Ark it was copy of Simon to be uploaded, not the Simon that sits in the pilot chair.
@@bobanfrombangladesh I understand that it is a copy paste... it is just that it was introduced as a transfer which is why it is a shock the first time you realize what is happening. I need to play Soma again. I didn't realize there was a choice.
There is a method in SOMA where you could change bodies without cloning your brain, by that point every character's brain is on a usb stick device and you could theoretically plug it into a new body but because in game you're the only character capable of physically interacting with your environment you're only method for going into a new body is cloning your brain on another usb stick plugged into another body.
I mean, it's demonstrated repeatedly that it's copy-paste. Every Mockingbird in the game was supposed to clue you in on that. And if that wasn't enough, you learn you're actually a cyborg Frankenstein corpse monster who is just a copy of the very first Simon who just consented to keeping his data around as a template for future AI technology. There's just copies all over the place. If you give a moments thought, it's pretty evident that there's no way you mash the brain of your Frankenstein monster into a server farm. It's not like there's a USB plug for that. The best they can do is copy your data over. The staff also were selectively misinformed, or deliberately chose not to understand, that it was copy-paste all along.
That's kind of why the coin-toss analogy annoys me. There is no coin toss. There is the original and the clone. If the clone doesn't immediately understand that they've been birthed, they're either ignorant or stupid. And the original is likewise so for not understanding they're stuck exactly where they are, no matter what.
The Mauler Twins are some of my favorite comic characters. They destroy trope after trope in their design.
I like how one of The Maulers mentions "the coin toss" to make Robot feel better.
There's no coin toss.
It's a copy - paste, not cut - paste.
You who enters the machine will always "loose" the toss.
You will always stay in the old body.
The clone is a new consciousness with all of your memories up to this point, after the cloning you diverge, you don't have the same memories anymore.
Soma is one hell of a game.
it's just as much of a coin toss as being born. you were always going to be who you are, and other people are other people, even if you influence them with your memories/actions
@@yargolocus4853 The thing is there is no inherent reason for any given consciousness to exist in any given time or place. You might not be "you" but there's no reason why your consciousness could not have been created cenutries ago.
This ain't SOMA tho
That's true for Soma, but not necessarily for Invincible. With real world tech yeah, but comic tech could easily transfer minds. People transfer bodies in comics plenty.
Like on soma
I REALLY LOVE HOW ROSS MARQUAD CHANGE HIS VOICE TO SOUND LIKE JASON MANTZOUKAS & ZACHARY QUINTO
It’s not Zachary voicing the Rex Clone. It’s Ross Marquand. Props to him still tho for combining facets of both Zachary’s Robot and Jason’s Rex.
I wonder if this is how Jarvis felt when he woke up as Vision?
I though that Jarvis was the same individual as Vision, whereas the original Rudolph and the new Rudolph are different individuals.
Didn’t Jarvis die at first?
@@sarsath7481 vision says he isn’t Jarvis and he isn’t ultron. He says “I am.” Jarvis is gone, giving birth to a new consciousness.
@@thethundernado6670 yes and no. When Jarvis was attacked by ultron, he was technically destroyed, but scattered into the net and tony stark pieced him back together, they then used the matrix of Jarvis to make vision and create something new entirely.
Vision described the experience only as “odd”. The moment vision opened his eyes, Jarvis was gone.
I never thought That I’d learn so much about brains in this episode
Btw, in this scene they joke about condense brains= smarter.
but condense neurons and bigger brain doesn't mean you are more smart. Birds have condense brains and whales have big brain. What makes animals more intelligent is still a mystery.
@@Mitaka-Asa some of the smartest animals are birds tho (Parrots and Corvids)
@@Mitaka-Asa denser neurons still means more connections, maybe not smarter, but better capacity to think. Birds have denser brains while whales have large but less dense brains due to their sizes and required functions. A bird with less neurons won't be able to handle it's bodily processes, and a whale wouldn't exactly have many benefits for the huge cost for more neurons inside their already massive brains. Brains are very costly in energy and oxygen, so life finds a way to always have the optimal brain capacity to suit the needs of each animal
@@UltraVioletKnight smarter* no animal is as smart as humans
@@justaweeb14688 humans aren't very smart, we're just conscious. most humans act like animals, its rare to find a person who does more good than harm
It’s funny how robot can walk with the new body as soon as he gets it
could be wrong but if he's able to control his robot suits with just his mind, maybe it's as seamless as walking normally?
The mauler twins do superb work
robot can control multiple robots suits with his main (later in the history he is controlling hundreds at the same time) so this makes sense a little bit
It's probably not that different than controlling one of his drones.
@@NevTheDerangedIt should be completely different. He should not have the muscle memory to walk without learning how.
Oh damn, it's a Soma style mind transfer, that's crazy :0
soma. now that was some depressing shit
That how cloning works or to specific mind transferring. We don't have the technology to fully convert the mind so this is the beat our tech can do. This is why it was never performed in real life. It would be considered inhumane.
That how cloning works or to specific mind transferring. We don't have the technology to fully convert the mind so this is the beat our tech can do. This is why it was never performed in real life. It would be considered inhumane.
@@pixelcount350 your acting like if a human has been cloned, so far only animals (atleast from the public stance who tf knows if the government already cloned a human)
@@J8den We had the capability of cloning humans a long time ago. It was deemed immoral. Recently it was done on humans by scientists to get rid of a human defect.
What Soma taught us: there is no coin toss. And that's horrifying.
“ Oh, to be human once again. “ I bet those were the final thoughts when he decided to transfer a copy of his own greatness into his new Rex-copied form.
This was heartbreaking to watch. 😞
Even the twins are sad.
Love the Mauler Twins, they aren't mustace twirling villains. But rather affable villains, yeah they do bad things but they aren't gonna be a jerk about it and they can actually emphasize with others.
I bet this was based on SOMA the game. They even use similar phrases. "You won the coin toss."
It’s depressing
Did SOMA come out before the comic
No, the Invincible Comics are at least a decade older than SOMA.
Dude thats a common expression
@@dziankolack9331 Without proper context, yes.
DAMN THIS HEARTBREAKING POOR ROBOT R.I.P I REALLY LIKED HIM HE WAS AWESOME
Robot is very much alive. He just said goodbye to his old body.
@@rozbot86 the original's dead
@@rozbot86 so is that actually robots consciousness?
@@karamelapple8007 Robot couldn't live outside of his tank so he transferred his consciousness into the clone of Rex.
@@karamelapple8007 But yes, Robot is a person, not just machine. He controls the machines through a telepathic link.
Imagine him hugging his old body before it dies... More emotional than this emotional scene
I really hope they don't completely follow through with the whole arc of Robot from the comics even though for better or for worse Robot was always right.
But that was the best part about Robot!
Time Zone me too
How soon after he gets his new body does he get it on with monster girl in the comics?
@@pl3459 nah I ain't gonna spoil
@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 is it when she's in a more grown up form or he just gets it on with her when she's still in young form?
What I noticed is that Invincible and SOMA both use the expression "losing the coin toss". I wonder where that comes from. In reality for the original there is a 0% chance of ending in the other body. For the copy there is a false sensation of body transfer due to having false(copied) memories as soon as it gains consciousness.
TLDR: Don't let Scotty beam you anywhere.
In SOMA there is a 0% chance. In Invincible there is a chance of ending up in the other body.
From your point of view, as a consciousness, you don't know who you are until the process is finished, so it's a 50/50 chance (a coin toss) to guess right.
In the end randomness does not truely exist if you understand a system well enough.
@@ncpolley But what's crazy in SOMA they use the phrase "coin toss" as well at the end of the game.
SOMA was sooooo good. I shit bricks when it came to the Ackers chase though lol
@@realdapperdiceOne coin given two outcomes when it land: one in the dirt, the other facing the world? The coin was always going to end up in this situation, the face facing up doesn’t really matter? That, and wether you remain in the body or in the new one is 50/50
Their definition of "mercy killing" one another is a big... special. Considering its less mercy and more of something else.
He already was Human. This is a conscious cloning
Odd title. Robot always was human. He was just a very deformed human, with great intelligence.
I love how the twins sympathized woth robot.
I would class then as misunderstood rather then villans but god damn geniuses non the less
What do you mean? Robot became human he was human? Already he's just deform.... Meaning abnormal...
OP saying people with deformities aren’t human 😂😂
@@takehirotaniguchi6271 based OP
the deformities took away his chances of normal life, never understand what it like to live as a human.
Robot was, is and always will be nothing but a MONSTER!
I like the plotline behind this scene. It's got elements of great scifi books like Rogue Moon (1960), Snowcrash (1992), Otherland (1996). I'd be glad to hear of any other examples?
Star wars during darth vaders death scene
Uh, SOMA? (A game, not a book)
*Invincible S2E04* really showed the importance of not knowing who's "a clone".
2:38 notice how the blood on the mask is in a shape of a heart
The whole coin toss trick really just brings me back to the SOMA days and how dark of a reality that was for the main character trying to make a sense for how the whole cloning of the mind works. What a dark game.
It’s pretty easy to bring me to tears but damn that’s some good writing
By far the most interesting scenes in the show are them talking about what cloning feels like
This is more emotional that in the cómics
The Mauler Twins are my favorite. I hope SOME form of redemption can be given to them
Kinda depressed he died
For a genius, he can't seem to have acquired the knowledge of advanced genetic and medical engineering from literally a multitude of experts such as these twins.
it's safer that he let the work of cloning using a DNA of his colleague to create his ideal human body to those who are known to do shady business
It's easier this way, but he could have tried genomic modification for sure.
@@ulyx9804 I mean in this world with plenty of advanced experts, he could even logically ask the government to genetically "cure" him as part of becoming more effective as a Guardian.
Godzilla called.
He wants his charge-up effects back.
Ahh so this is what they meant with Detroit Become Human
for real tho.
The Maulers are some of my favorite character in this series. I love how this shows that they aren't all bad.
I love how human the maulers act in this moment. Really goes to show how much layer the creator put into this show.
I can't describe how sad this is
there’s 0 reason robot couldn’t have just picked some random dude, it’s so weird he chose one of his friends😂
My impression was that he wanted his successor to be in a body that Monster Girl would be attracted to.
@@johnharrison6745 he literally said that was his reason lol
He did it for monster girl since he's uhm i guess obsessed with her
R.i.p og robot
The maulers may be villains, but they have heart
this storyline and the two blue guys is the best
"I'm sorry it wasn't you" 😭
More like a human getting a new body, since he's not actually a robot and all
This is even sadder if you remember that new robot body and old one arent the same and are different person, robot really died, and its only a clone we see here, even if he have a copy of his mind, he dont have his soul
The entire time this was happening I thought to myself why didn't rudy just have the Maulers clone his original body and then modify it so it developed right.
Then it hit me.
Rudy's body is so messed up with so many birth defects and deformities that it probably looked like the genetics equivalent to a tangled up ball of yarn. I doubt even the Maulers together along with the most brilliant minds in their field couldn't reverse what happened to him.
Indeed. Hell even his brain and its abnormal condition nearly screwed up the transfer before one of the Maulers had to hotwire their own device to compensate and make the transfer stable enough (for another minute before it started to overload).
He says he chose Rex's body since monster girl showed a form of attraction to it. Its possible his original DNA is too messed up or he doesn't think that he'll look good to monster girl in a normal form. I just think Rudy didn't care enough to put in the effort towards repairing it
once an evil robot always an evil robot
The only flaw in the explanation for the Maulers is that they would obviously know who the original one is, because they've had to transfer their consciousness to a new body, meaning they'll wake up next to themselves. They'll obviously know which table they lay on and which table the clone was on.
The only way this explanation can work and neither know who is the original is if the tables swap can swap themselves around a completely random amount of times with no way of checking their starting positions. Then you'd never know.
Short term memories are probably erased
I think they factor that in and have the original forget which table they were on. Short-term memory removal, perhaps.
This was drawn to look like a magic ritual as much as it looks like a scientific procedure
Considering what will eventually come of this, I don’t know if souls and magic exist in this setting, but I would be very interested in seeing the original robot meet with his, brother? In a couple decades to reflect on what came of this moment.
If there is then man mauler has a lot to explain to himself
Considering this universe has a literal demon from hell. It’s safe to say both exist in this universe.
@@SrMadruI'm imagining hundreds of Mauler clones being mad at each other for being killed while arguing who is actually the original in the afterlife
"Someday... You too will die."
notice the bleeding heart on the mask during his last words.
I cried when the old one comforting the new one 😢
This reminds of the Soma game, where they did a similar mind transfer, they even mentioned the 'coin toss'
Original:Change the world...
Clone:ok *proceeds to enslave the entirety of earth*
Original in heaven:dude wtf
I love how robot proves that the mauler twins for all their genius are just dillweeds.
This is truly Detroit Becoming Human moment
"Change da world. My final message. Goodbye." -Robot
"This was always the plan"
Good job getting that fire extinguisher
Love the Mauler twins
The way he said SCHEMATICS. 😂
3:16
It's wierd swing a moment of compassion from them
Rudolph's brain size didn't match Rex's brain size. I think Robot would be quite nerfed in Rex's body and wouln't really be as intelligent as always. Then again, it's fiction.
Anyway. I know he's a big psychopath but I like Robot a big deal somehow.
the twin sends away the other twin to put it out… but then he waits for the process to finish anyway!
Robot is so kind
He was human already
He was... human being ...
I knew Eric the Actor would play a good role
this show is so dope
Robot lives too good
Well, he was already human...
Sad thing is, in a many ways..Robot is more of a hero than mark/Invincible. But he winds up getting backed into a corner by his teammates sheer stupidity not just once, but MULTIPLE times. and he's STILL the one to build a better world that Mark is incapable of.
3:17
It was nice they gave him enough time to
Change the world
My final message
Goodbye
I like the Mauler Twins. They are really good bad guys
change the world my final message goodbye
In a show full of blood and gore this scene was the hardest to watch. Robot was already suffering with his deformed body while disconnected from his life support. And here we see him in even more pain and bleeding from his mouth before dying.
More accurately Robot gets a new body, or in this scenario have been replaced.
Technically, he was always human.
New Rudolph looks very cool I gotta say.
0:31 very satisfying
I love and hate the fact that many people have SOMA as a game and as an ending when they see this clip.
And yes,i won't hold it back...there is literally no coin-toss in such topics....
Oh, this brought a tear to my eye...why?
This reminds me of Spider-Man tas where a alternate peter Parker was cloned both didn’t who was the clone. When it was theorized that one was the clone it drove that one over the edge
Pretty much sums up SOMA
Even if they can be selfish they do have a good side