Ruby_part_5
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Here is the part 5 where I show macro photography and imitation, treaded rubies, synthetic rubies inclusions, glass past. I finish with posting few pictures of natural stones that could be used for ruby simulant and their prices and some pictures of natural rubies no treated with their price on the retail market.
R.I.P., Mr. Louy. Thank you for taking your time to share your understanding, as well as the value that you place on your appreciation of the inherent beauty of some of nature's gems.
Mr.oliver very very good info regarding ruby.thankx.
Mash Allah, super.
Excellent work!!!
Very nice!! Excellent video!! Thank you!!
Hey me again, just watched rest of Video and you have many Prices...Very good. thanks
so interesting and well explained..you,re obviously a master..thanks so much
Very informative. Thank you very much for creating this video
Great videos, keep the coming :)
Thank you! You helped me from buying a glass ruby.
Impresionante me encanta este color.
Nice vedeo
Thank you so much.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
thanks for the advise
so helpful thanks
Very nice and very informative stuff here. Thank you for your efforts to make us more understand. Thank you, sir!
I liked
thank you very much Sir.
Nice
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I checked in deep and I saw that Aquamarine has been synthesized by hydrothermal growth in Siberia. Under magnification it is possible to see the limit between the near colorless seed and the light blue Beryl. There is other type of inclusions typical of hydrothermal growth. It is easy to check them out. I think those Aquamarine are rare on the market and today it will cost to much to make and market them. Synthetic blue Spinel is cheap, clean and easy to make with flame fusion process.
Regards
Hi oli. My name is also olivier,so some simulitude here .as you,i also speak french.bonnea videos je m'abonne!
@1Svjatoi
Translation: "This jewel has such a good facet that allows to put it in a ring" I agree with that!
great videos
thanks for all your work
can you make a video about diamond testers and how to use them?
The stone at 4:15 is a nat. corundum called Songea from Africa. The stone is not only heated, but heated with Be that is considered as an heavy treatment. Thats why the price is low for a 2.66 cts. If the stone was totally natural with no treatment price will raise up to 10 to 15'000$US per carat because it is very rare to find a ruby with such clarity and color.
The difference between a natural ruby just heated compared with a no treated depend of the origin and ct, around 10 to 20% lower.
hello,oliver , do you know about real and syntetik alexandrite???thank you
جميل
Hola Ignacio,
Aquí en el D.F. es muy difícil vender piedras de color.
Necesitas tener clientes que tengan mucha confianza en ti y eso no es fácil.
El mercado aquí es mejor para los diamantes pero no los de muy buena calidad.
En cuatro años he vendido más piedras sintéticas que naturales.
Saludos y suerte.
Hello Sir How are you? I've been speaking with GIA graduates on determining LGF in star ruby/ sapphire other rutilated Mtrls. Not ONE can tell me the best way to determine LGF in these stones. In 2002 a Thai Mftr notified the GIA of his methods and plans of marketing heated / LGF Star mtrls. Most of the information i've read / referred to is based upon translucent mtrl.
I have a 12 ray black sapphire i bought very reasonably. however the SG is 4.072 raising an eyebrow. I see no odd deformations in the surface But I can't see into it well enough for flash yellow pocketing or bubbles Ive tried backlighting.
SO i'm coming to my favorite expert
Short of an electron microscope what is the best method for determining LGF in Opaque material?
Could I use aqua regia to etch the poly /LGF? ( I realize it would destroy LGF mtrl) what would this do to genuine corundum?
Thanks Rob
It's my understanding that most ruby is heat treated to improve color. some estimate up to 95%. An unexpected result of heat treating is some glass fill of inclusions(found when heat treatment started approx 1200 AD). Would this still be considered GF? How does it detract from value?
very informative thank you
Hello, Heat treatment is not only to improve color but clarity too depending the case. What do you mean by GF? Not sure I understand that.
Today, just heat treated ruby, even the one with borax trace do not loose much than 10 to 20% value as they are still rare. With the new lead glass treatment (composite ruby and more recently they do composite blue sapphire with Co for the color) that is spreading the market, basic treatment like heat or glass filling ruby (like to close a cavity in the cristal) are rare and have great value. Ruby cristal is very very rare. In the lab, the last year (2013) I have seen only 5% real ruby of very good quality and 0% fine quality the rest is heavy treated or synthetic. Contact me on my lab email if you need more info.
..signs of unheated? Are there also 2phase inclusions for synthetic Korund? THANKS FOR INFO. All the best and regards to Mexico from Munich! Mike
can i send pic for the ruby and want to know the quality and cost in the market
You right, there is no reason to buy from Thailand if you can have a provider in another country. The fact is that many Rubies from Africa, Madagascar and other places are sent to Bangkok mostly for treatment. For myself, I am working with a friend in Bangkok over 10 years and I can find best quality and prices there.
Buying gemstones in Thailand ask you to have a deep knowledge in gemology and in the trade. I was in BKK in February and I was surprised to see the prices rising for nice quality.
The cutting is not very expensive, but if the rough is very nice you have to find a very good specialist to be sure that your rough will be cut following the rules. The ruby show pleochroisme and have to be cut the right way if possible (table perpendicular to C axe).
Unfortunately UV can't be diagnostic to make a decision checking only one stone, but the glow from synthetics in mixed parcel of natural and synthetic rubies will be perceptibly stronger. The loupe in some case can help too, but I know many people who are making mistakes, especially with the FLUX-MELT Corundum like Chatham, Kashan, Ramaura and Knischka stones. As they are hard to make and need two to eight months to grow (6 hours for flame-fusion) , today it is rare to find them on the market.
Hi, sorry for late answer, I was traveling...
Yes the heat treatment is an accepted practice. It is OK as long as the process is disclosed to the customer, like any other treatment. The impact on a heated ruby is mostly on the price.
Can you please make video about Emerald and tell the difference of emerald origin ?
Thank you !!!
I am glad if you are here, coz it's limited for us sharing knowledges without any gemstone physically.. Thanks
Hi Olivier,
thanks for the info. So natural is depending on colour and size etc. not heated, lets say 5000$ heated would be around 3.-4000$ and be heated only 500$ a ct. So big difference in Price between only "heated" and Be-heated? Not so big Price differnce in "heated" and not treated?. Thanks I bought the book GEMS you recomended. Many pages.... I just read quickly and the say that 2-phase inclusions also can be found on emeralds.... I always thought that 2-3 Phase inclusions are sign of..
Is there some way to determine which country the Rubies came from?
How do you tell difference of infusion and bubbles?
Hi, usually the price for rough boule flame fusion ruby or sapphire (Corundum) will go from 200$US to 300$US for a kilo, all depending on the quality. Best quality do not have any gaze bubble or powder traces. The price can go up to 3000$US the kilo depending on the color of the corundum because some color are difficult to obtain, like the orange, yellow, some red, etc.
PS This is the wholesale price, not easy to obtain if you are not in the trade.
I tried to contact Djeva to deliver me, but no one answers. Are they still working, producing ruby boules?
Hi Friend, you did an good video of how to know fake ruby. part 1 to 5. is really helpful. any other way to test an man make ruby. i have an big ruby and is heavy about size of 20mm x 20mm i don't see any bubble or cured and it can scratch glass . i try to scratch it with coin and other metal but unable to scratch it. i even put inside an bleach detergent for a day. but nothing happen. the stone just the same as it is. can anyone tell me what to do??. any other testing matter.
Hi Olivier,
how are the Price difference between natural (ruby, Saphire) or heated? Like Stone by 4:15 you say 200$ per ct. how much would cost if natural?? thanks
think you
There're so many synthetic rubies in the markets nowdays, make sure you have loop and UV light before making decision.. By using a loop u can clearly see internal spider web and the natural rubies should be fluorescent under UV light in dark room.. Thanks
Oliver! I would like to congratulate you your videos and the willingness to share your knowledge online. I would like to ask your opinion in two pieces. I am buying a present to my girlfriend and even if she doesn't understand at all about gems or treatments I would like to buy her a ruby ring that I know its not artificial or filled with glass.
In gemology we say that only the miner know where a rough come from. No pro gemologist will stat an origin on a certificate just on your word, unless the stone speak by itself. The origin is a big market value especially for the rubies and I have seen may "pro" making mistakes about it. It's not an easy game.
Can u use a diamond tester to test on rubies too?
Thanks, for me rubies are quite simple to know between synthetic and the natural, by using a loupe, you can see spider web in great details .. There're also other gems almost like it such as red tourmaline, rubelite, chatham etc, nevertheless it looked contrast by using a loupe..
Batu Permata Asli . Jewels Zamora Gems
what is a loupe?
Hello,
The best you can do is to find a gemologist that have a very good knowledge on colored stones. He can make you a certificate that will stat if the rough is natural and no treated (or treated). If there is enough information inside the stone to give the origin (inclusions), then you can have the origin on the certificate.
BUT, there is very few peoples that have the knowledge to do that. The best for rubies are the AIGS lab, the GIA lab and the GIT Lab (university) in Bangkok.
I di not talk about the Flux synthetic ruby as they are rare on the market today. On another side, you need a gemo stereoscope to check and learn about the specific inclusions for each producers. A "spider web" can be seen in natural rubies. Strong magnification demonstrate the difference between flux remnants in flux and fluid inclusions of healing fissures in natural rubies, we are talking about power 100X, then the loupe is not enough until you really are a pro. The best way is spectrometry.
Hi,
I'll try to make that as soon as I am ready. But I have a lot of work in the lab right now. I will make some other video about the diamonds that's my plan for, I hop, a near future.
Market on the colored stone is not like for the diamond with a price list like Rapaport. Price could change from one day to another. Today ruby not treated is extremely rare on the market and very expensive, especially the one from Myanmar (Burma). Just heated stone are accepted in the market and even the Songea of very good quality and color (like in the video) is very expensive now and could reach easy 500$ per ct.
it has a nice color no bubble no scratch i dont know but it looks like a 20year or much older stone
can you help me my question is if there are any synthetic aqvamarines
Hi nice video.
Can i know what is the best magnification if iam to buy a gem microscope? Should it be as high as 80X or low as 30X is enough?
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That's the best comment ever!
I contacted the Russian Company TAIRUS and they still making the Colored Beryl Set grown Hydrothermally. You can check on the Internet. They mostly sell through Bangkok Joint Venture.
Regards
i have gems
I have a ruby bracelet and it’s sterling silver but the ruby stones are covered in gold foil on the backs of them. It was bought from a jeweler in 1963. I don’t remember how much my husband paid for it. So my question is , could the rubies be real?
Oliver, Magnificos videos! soy un mexicano que vive en Bangkok Tailandia. Me fascinan las gemas y quisiera preguntarte si hay futuro para vender gemas en Mexico. Mil gracias.
ဖုန်ထဲမှအင်တာဗျူးနဲတွေနေသည်အလှဆုံးကျောက်များတွေဖိုကမလွယ်ပေမယ်နိုင်ငံတကားတွေရဖို့ရှာကြည်သင်ပါသည်
Sir,is this a ruby or spinel
Hello Mr Olivier
I have one stone which weight around 40cts but i'm confused whether this stone is spinel or pigeon blood ruby. How can i differentiate between them?
SG: Ruby =4, Spinel = 3.6
RI : Ruby = 1.76-1.78, Spinel = 1.71-1.74
Spectrum is diagnostic for Ruby
CS: Ruby is trigonal, Spinel is cubic, very easy to make the difference with a simple polariscope.
How about ruby that has undergone only heat treatment. I understand it has been accepted practice for centuries.
Hallo 👋 please Tell me about the one
Thanks for infos
Dear i have a. Red ruby that been in our family house for so many years i would like to send you some photos and if you can tell me more about it ?
Show it to us first!
Saludos
Mercie beaucs oup Monsieur Olivier Louy votre commentaire est utile et trés interessant , mais je préferes vous donnez les commentaire en francaise si possible
Dear sir,
as you said that in a real ruby we wont find bubbles inside and some of the ruby which you have showed us there is bubbles inside it... I did not get you exactly what you want to say. please clear me ...
bubbles are for glasses.. in a natural stone or ruby it is "inclusions" if they wanted to hide the cracks... almost all stones have small cracks inside it and the gem makers try to hide it by adding fillings to the stone. or if you found a crack inside your gem then most probably it is not glass.
Oliver, u're sooo Beautiful, more then 1 Thousand Rubys :D
Congratulation Honey
i am perchag in the raf stone
hi I have ruby how to Seend you photos
so tell me plzz how i send u my ruby video
sory Mr Oliver,can u help me on,this,l have very nice Ruby is a,king Ruby, 1.27cart l have the Gem Indentication Report from SEAMIC is red,Double refractive, the Index is 1.775, The The Specific Gravity is 4.04, The Pleohroism is Moderate, The Clarity is Cracks,healing feathers. is antreted, coz is very dificurt to get thi kind of Ruby,can u find me a good buyer?am from Tanzania.
Hi, sorry but I do not know exactly what you want. You can send me a picture if you want.
Regards
Bubble😂😂😂
真相？必須要清楚的公諸於世！這開頭所發表的有紋理紅寶石，其實是真正的紅寶石！因為紅寶石很多咎裂紋！本人有一只紅寶石手鐲！就是這種情況！
Why by from Thailand??? The people ate being mistreated by the Gov. over ruby's.
Does untreated also mean unheated?
Not always...it can be unheated and treated like oiled etc.
your_diamond_source Does that mean that if it's heated, it's treated?
+Abe Tuaone if its heated yes it is treated...
i want shell my ruby
جميل جدا أحسنت رائع جدا صديقي العزيز مرحبا بك في موقعي اليوتوب فأنى اعطي بعض المعلومات على قدر المستطاع والاستفادة إلى جميع الأصدقاء فمرحبا بيك
Mike, please contact me by email because all this is a complicated matter and I have no place to clear your questions with 400 words.
Contact me via the lab suizomex with your question at servicio@suizomex.com
You have to know that I am of your closest followers ,please translation of the Arabic ,Ian so tired of the translation .
Hi, I would NEVER buy online. 1) the picture you see is never the one you'll get. They make one picture the best they can and after they sale the bad stuff base one that picture. 2) They do not disclose anything about treatment and for a ruby clarity I (Included) and for the price I saw, that surely a new glass treated ruby. 3) You never set in a 9K gold a ruby, unless it is a piece of crap! Good luck.
I'm sorry to announce that my brother Olivier Louy passed away few weeks ago. His lab located to Mexico City will close soon and his CZcams channel will not get any other updates.
Regards,
Vincent
Iam really sorry to hear that...his a good techer on youtube...
joel53 Thank you Joel53.
rdmc43 .
I hve
sir i have ruby
ياجماعة اجمل وانذر انواع الياقوت موجود عندي للبيع مين حاب يشتري يتواصل معي انا من البحرين
Nice information Many Many thanks... i will send you an email kindly check it...
HI,,,im from malaysia,and i want to sell my natural pink sapphire..origin sri lanka..do you want it?
i have brought many rubies I want to check my youtube and tell me if it is real or fake.
hi how much do you think this ruby gemstone is worth uncut. /watch?v=WcsuzM0e-50
please visit my youtube album and tell me about my stones I want to know how good or bad stones are these.
Hi nice video.
Can i know what is the best magnification if iam to buy a gem microscope? Should it be as high as 80X or low as 30X is enough?
Hi sorry for the delay I was on the field. In gemology we are using 60X as a standard.
Is 80x too high? Also whichbia better from this combination ? 10x 20x 30x 60x and 20x 40x80 ?