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- čas přidán 27. 05. 2022
- This meme is almost perfect for the comments about the age difference between Deathbringer and Glory. :)
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Deathbringer and Glory - "Wings of Fire" by Tui T. Sutherland
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i love how everyone is complaining about the glorybringer age gap when queen coral was going to make her daughters marry a 50+ year old
Um I think no one brings whirlpool because he was INTENDED to be terrible and no sane person actually ships them
With glorybringer, there are plenty of people who ship them which gets ppl upset
But yes, whirlpool x anemone was absolutely awful and worse than glorybringer by a MILE
Idgaf a fridge about the age gap but let’s not act like anyone agreed w/Coral on anything during Tsunami’s book
I don’t like either pairs tbh
Whirlpool was gonna marry auklet!? Idk ...
@@KareenaQueen08 no he was gonna marry anemone
I respect people who don't ship it, but it is likely a mistake on Tui's part, since the winglet book "Assassin" came out AFTER "Winter Turning". In "Winter Turning" Deathbringer's age IS mentioned on page 50:
"[Deathbringer] was a NightWing a few years older than [Winter], wiry and graceful and clearly trained to fight from the way he stood and the way he was assessing Winter."
Winter is 5, which would really make Deathbringer ~7 or 8, and thus only a year or so older than Glory, since she's 7 by "The Brightest Night". His age in "Assassin" is very possibly just a timeline error on Tui's part, and honestly because of that, I have no problem shipping it and no problem with people who ship it.
It's also important to remember that Tui used to be one of the Erins, the writers for Warrior Cats, who are all notorious for their writing mistakes, from eye color, to gender, and more. Wings of Fire is definitely not safe from potential errors. In book 15 they even say (twice) that SeaWing blood is blue, when it isn't. Only IceWings have blue blood.
Edit: Cleaned up my explanation a little bit for ease of understanding + evidence
Thank you!
thank you for this, people really need to stop being so dramatic (no hard feelings)
EXACTLY
Thank you! This helps a lot. I wasn’t really sure about the age gap, and this clears things up.
Then if hes 8 its not problematic? Like why are people complaining, he is 8 only a year apart.
I wonder what the world would have been like had the Assassin winglet not inadvertently made Deathbringer older. I’m sure there would still be a subset of people who wouldn’t care for the ship, but the amount of people who went out of their way to claim Sutherland supports pedophilia because of what was clearly just an error in ages relative to the timeline of events is so absurd.
I agree.
Exactly! But then series like warriors make wayyy more mistakes with age gaps (thrushpelt is a warrior 1/4 a moon before bluestar is born) and nonbody cares.
@@gracecrosby730 and I explained that to someone and they said "oh well he was *just* made a warrior so it doesn't really count. Besides, there's worse age gaps." So basically warriors is fine because they do it more??
they also call her a groomer. The only way I heard of this was from a (insert youtuber)' video. They accused her of grooming and hid behind the excuse of being a "survivor", which I think is utter bs, because ain't no "survivor" is going out of their way to slander an author who made a simple mistake in the timeline.
@@IceburgCryptic was it Thorax?
I feel like Tui should get her dragon aging system in order. Lmao. I think she also said that the age gap was a mistake.
For realll, that and the sizing system, especially in the dragon slayer they’re so inconsistent. I just wish people didn’t blindly accept the age gap just because it was a mistake yknow?
@@jasper7084 dragonslayer scrambled my brain trying to imagine the dragon to human ratio. I must’ve spent half my time reading just trying to figure out how I should imagine it.
@Moon I'm just going off what I heard.
@@thatonewaspatyourpicnic7978 I believe she stated that it was a mistake, and he's actually supposed to be 9, something about him not being alive or just hatching when Queen Battlewinner had to hide herself because of the Icewing attack, and that being 9 years ago. It would still be nice to see how the dragons actually age tho.
The ages and sizes are so confusing. Is a dragon the size of a large horse? The size of a collosal being? Is 10 adult age or older? What's considered old for a dragon? 50 seems old enough for not many to remember the previous generation, but also Queen Wasp and Queen Sequoia are both over 100
DEATHBRINGER WAS 9 YEARS OLD!!
Look at what it says in the book:
‘His attacker was a nightwing a few years older than him.’
7 years is not a few! A few is 5 and less!
Also: On page 149 of The Dark Secret, it says this, ‘Fatespeaker grabbed the bars. “You’ve met the queen?”
Deathbringer tilted his head at her. “No, not face-to-face, of course. She watches us through screens and speaks through her daughter, Greatness. It’s been like that as long as I’ve been alive, anyway.”’ This proves that Deathbringer could not be older than 9 years old.
Edit: Also, Tui comfirmed the age gap was accidental.
You forgot to mention that no one has seen Queen Battlewinner face to face in nine years and since Deathbringer hasn't seen the queen face to face makes him less than nine. At the end of the day we all have to rember that we shouldn't get so worked up about a fictional dragon ship weather you like the ship or not if you like all right if you don't thats also fine
This is exactly what I’ve been saying!
@@BingusShmingus Yup i forgot about that! And i agree, a lot of people are being worked up about Deathbringer being older then Glory, when it's not that big of a deal, it's just fictinal characters, + age gaps are common in real life too
Well it’s more likely that he’s 8…
@@skystuff9913glory is around 10. Most dod are about 8-9 due to escaping soon to the cap of 10 years.
Thai is perfect for the drama 😭😭 the writers didnt actually intend for there to be an age gap but the ship itself isnt entirely problematic, the fans are, although age gaps are ALWAYS bound to be problematic
Maybe they should get their aging system straight then 💃💃
I agree. Just people being stupid.
Bruh it's like saying a 3 yr old cat can't bang with a 2 yr old one cause that's "wrong" from the age gap, though they'd already both be over 18 years old in cat years, the aging system for dragons is also much older when they're somewhere near 5 or 6. Also all the other dragonets are fully grown up adults, and Glory hatched with them almost at the EXACT time, making her a young adult, so the age gap never existed.
Honestly, this whole debate is just a huge overreaction from the fans. Maybe it's true that Tui didn't think this through, still, seeing people making such a big deal out of it is pretty funny ngl.
@@Sagu_Un1_ omg I thought you meant a human 2 and 3 year olds for a second you scared the shit out of me
Everyone talking about the age gap and age mistakes while I’m over here appreciating the beautiful and smooth animation when deathbringer turns around and moves his wing.
And when glory looked down, smooth. “So this is the kids table, where there is no talk of politics”-me
I was always given the impression that Glory and Deathbringer were of similar age, since his age is never stated in book 3 from what I remember.
They are. Dragons grow to maturity quick and them slam on the brakes. Deathbringer, in human equivalent, is around 22-ish, Glory would be about 19. They are pretty much the same age in equivalent human ages. Also, the biggest point on my part is, they are dragons not people.
@@OR56 I can understand that, but if Tui had been more clear about age conversions from dragons to human from the get go, or had just explained it better, people might have been okay with this. But because she was vauge with when dragons mature, people are uncomfortable. It would have been an easy fix to, just inserting a blurb about how dragons age into the guide to dragons that's always at the start of each book.
Also a commenter otterpopz has a really good explanation as to why this age of 13 for Deathbringer might have been a timeline error.
@@HeyItsJayDC It may happen in the new dragon guide book thing. Adult dragons are confirmed to be around 6 or 7. BUT, they dont keep up the same rate of maturity or they would be 50 at 25. I think he is at most 25, but probably 22 and she is about 19.
@@OR56 I keep forgetting the part where they start slowing down once they mature. I also did some research, Assassin came out September 29, 2015, while Winter Turning came out June 30, 2015. Meaning Winter Turning is older than Assassin by 3 months. And in Winter Turning, Winter mentions Deathbringer is only slightly older than him. So I suppose the original intent was that Deathbringer and Glory were to be closer age wise.
@@HeyItsJayDC makes sense
I swear to god if I see one more person calling Glory a "literal child" I'm going to flip my shit
Say what you want about the age gap, but that is factually incorrect, there is no argument there
Glory is 7 and deathbringer is 13, which is a 6 year age gap. Glory is a “young adult” according to the wiki which is what most people go off since the aging is inconsistent in the books, and I don’t know about you but “young adult” is pretty concerning because of those 6 years
@@jasper7084 young adult would be a human in their twenties or even 18. Six year gaps aren’t that uncommon in adults… either way they are BOTH ADULTS
@@jasper7084 She is an adult, so no, I do not care
Deathbringer is supposed to be slightly older, maybe a year or so, which is shown by their tiny height difference. The only reason he isn’t is because of a mistake
I fail to see how this is concerning
@@splitdragon3004 a 6 year age gap for an 18 year old would be pretty weird
@@Aegean1 Everyone keeps referencing this “mistake” and yes I agree the aging system shouldn’t be taken seriously because it’s inconsistent, but even if it was a mistake it’s still a pretty big one right? I mean 6 years for a “young adult”?
Most of these comments are talking about the age gap, but like, Deathbringer literally asked Glory to take him to a bar when they met and I think that's hilarious
@Moon as someone who has memorized the lines of most of the characters, I can confirm that he did, and I giggled
@Moon Specifically an IceWing bar
Really?! That’s hilarious, I can’t believe I never noticed! That is so my humor.
I’ve always been confused why people talked about an age gap until I read the comments. Seems it was accidental so I’m just going to not accept it as canon. I’ve only read the first ten books and they were really cute together.
From what I can tell its accidental, I get why people would be mad, but I feel like some people are taking it too far
Plus, even if the larger age gap WAS canon, dragons aren’t gonna have the same standards as humans for when it would be inappropriate to date someone. It also doesn’t help the aging system for dragons hasn’t been nailed down yet
Ikr, I really like them, and if there is an age gap then it's probably accidental.
@@chrometheraptor dude...the dragons arent like a separate species and they think like humans do. Even so just because they're a different species doesn't make pedophelia right.
@@Ara-gq7sb They mature MUCH faster than humans and probably don't even have a set age on who you can marry! Pedophelia isn't right but it was a mistake Tui made. I still ship it because the gap IS a mistake. They think like humans do but don't have the same rules.
Thorn killed a dragon without any repercussions
Darkstalker tried to commit genocide, manipulated dragons, and was redeemed without serving any time in jail
The nightwings kidnapped so many dragons and yet barely any were given consequences
See how different these would be if it were humans doing these things.
As many others have stated, Deathbringer was intended to be around 8-9 years old (referenced in Winter Turning I believe) when Glory was 7 (both young adults!) and was referred to as a dragonet in the hidden kingdom when Glory was also a dragonet. They are meant to be close in age.
Also, 12 =/= 30 as many have claimed. Once dragon reach their full age, they mature extremely slowly. In fact they probably slow down to around half a year of aging for every year that we age. That would only put Deathbringer at 12 in his early twenties (around 21 yrs old) and Glory being 7 at full physical maturity, at 18 years old.
That is not nearly as weird as people make it seem.
Also, it was just a continuity mistake with a short story that barely matters to the main plot, where he was accidentally made much older than her! It is not predatory, it is not grooming, it is not p*dophilia, it was a genuine mistake! SO can people please stop attacking this ship and people who ship it?
Can you explain how age in WOF works, im still confused af
@@SpottertheOtterfox not much has been confirmed by tui but I've been able to piece together things from hints here and there. So basically: 1-3 is a child or tween, 4-5 is a younger teenager, 6-7 is an older teenager/young adult and 8-10 is young adult
As someone else in the comments said, “it’s up to the reader to decide on death’s age”. This is cause you can decide between the small book or big book age given, which means all the people complaining are drama queens or -kzzzt- (joking...
Kinda...)
@@SpottertheOtterfoxokay so basically kids age faster than us, so things like babbling and language acquisition happen faster. But then once you reach somewhere from 7-10 depending on which tribe you ask, which is roughly the adult age, it slows down significantly, and seems to only get slower as a dragon gets older.
The thing about GloryBringer is that, their both(in the wof universe) adults. 7 years+ is confirmed to be an adult. Many people have parents that are years apart, like 2 years, or even 5 years apart in age, yet no one cares. All that matters is that they’re both adults, and near each other in age. So whats the big deal with GloryBringer?
My Parents Are 10 Years Apart..
My parents have a 6 year agegap and they're fine- cuz yknow they met at adults
@@tigerpeltofwindclan8431 My Mom and my Step dad are 10 years apart as well! And these are dragons they age differently like dogs do from people!
I agree, and, dragons grow to maturity quick and them slam on the brakes. Deathbringer, in human equivalent, is around 22-ish, Glory would be about 19. They are pretty much the same age in equivalent human ages. Also, the biggest point on my part is, they are dragons not people.
I saw someone have parents that were 20 years apart🧍♂️
The info in the main books definitely takes precedent over the winglets, and he can be no older than 9 according to the info in the main series. Tui admitted that the age gap was a writing mistake anyway. I feel like nobody should really be making a fuss over the age gap from winglets even though it's been a confirmed writing mistake, and is therefore, irrelevant information.
Before finding out about the age gap:
*CUTE BUTTERCUP MEME*
After finding out about the age gap:
*THIS*
It was a mistake. Watch Scorn the Ashwing’s video on them.
@@sunbreakerqueenofbronze621 my point is that if it wasn’t for the age gap revealed later then almost no one would’ve disliked this ship
@@TrickyTalon23 so… you DO ship it?
@@sunbreakerqueenofbronze621 I know better than to answer THAT question
@@TrickyTalon23 it’s fine if you do. There’s nothing wrong with the ship. It’s fine to speak up about your opinions, as long as they don’t hurt others. You can choose whether or not to ship it, but don’t harass others based on it.
one of the greatest ships in the books and just because of a small mistake (tui admitted it was a mistake) everyone is like:
"bUt ThE aGeGaP... "
in every single mention of the two. Grow up people
(still a wonderful video)
Couldn't say it better!
This mindset scares me to no end. The mocking tone of people who don’t like the age gap? Icky.
Age gaps between consenting adults are fine.
For some reason, people overlook that they are both full on adults, idk why people make it so much of a problem.
@@jasper7084 Its mostly because its not needed to be mentioned everywhere becuase, as an above comment states, Dragons grow to maturity quick and them slam on the brakes. They are pretty much the same age in equivalent human ages. The error in assasin is an error - winter's turning clearly states that death bringer is "a few years older than winter", meaning that deathbringer is glories age or one year older. Its like going after a 21 year old dating a 20 year old, lol.
I'm not even in this fandom I'm just adoring the animated movements like the neck and wing flick.
I see this as such a silly drama. Authors forgetting the ages of their characters happens literally all the time. I'm an author myself, I forget my characters ages too lmao. Tui is a very good person imo, I do not think she would purposefully pair an adult and a minor. However, I do think she needs to publish her dragon aging system somewhere, with the canon ages off all major characters just so people can stop freaking out. Obviously, dragons do not age the same way humans do (wof dragons can live for hundreds or even thousands of years). Comparing what's appropriate for humans to what's appropriate for dragons is apples to oranges (especially because they don't exist and everyone has their own take on it). Glory is shown to be very mature, smart and able to handle being queen, which I do not think a typical child could do, so I think she is a young adult with Deathbringer being just a year or two older in dragon years.
Exactly! I’m a writer too, and yeah it can be seen as a pretty big error, but it’s definitely one that I would make when writing. She DEFINITELY does need to publish the aging system, and talk more about it so it could be cleared up. I do not think she’s terrible at all. And I do not think she supports pedophilia
Hopefully the canon ages are in the wof guide to the dragon world book coming out soon.
Very smooth animation. And to all the people who hate Glorybringer because of "ThE aGe GaP". Dragons grow to maturity quick and them slam on the brakes. Deathbringer, in human equivalent, is around 22-ish, Glory would be about 17-19. They are pretty much the same age in equivalent human ages. And IRL we have people who marry someone 40 years younger than them and nobody bats an eye. And 6 or 7 is about adult for dragons, so Glory is an adult which means it doesn't matter and you can go stick a fork in an outlet. Also, the biggest point on my part is, they are dragons not people.
I agree with you so much on this. My literal parents have an 8-year age gap and that's larger than Glorybringer, yet theyre both adults and a healthy family with kids and nobody seems to care about their age gap at all. Yet again we have all these people getting angry because of an age gap in a fictional dragon series that isn't even all that bad because dragon ages don't even work the same way as human ages anyway.
@@petuniatherain-nightwing1002 Thank You!
Yeah My mom's age is like somewhere between 30 and 40 and my dad is around 60. But anyways I'm eleven of course you could do the math and that means that my mom was somewhere between 20 and 30 when I was born. I never even thought about it when I was below 8 and didn't even realize it. Even though I knew A LOT about stuff that I should not have known EXCEPT HOW BABY'S ARE MADE FOR SOME REASON. I didn't know until I WAS LIKE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 6 AND 9. But my mom and dad are now... Separate. I'm going to stop talking now to not think about that. Edit: I meant typing
Couldn't read the full comment you just sent in so I looked for another comment, sorry if theirs detail I missed, but it applies to other animals too, not humans that sexual maturity ≠ adult. Cats for example are usually sexual mature at 1 year old, but they are still considered kittens, likewise for dogs. Not to mention there's a heavily humanized lizards. Whether tui intends it or not, she didn't do much effort is separating them from the given humanity
@@enderwalkgang I know. I live on a farm for heavens sakes. And I know that WoF dragons are humans who fly and breathe fire, but the age gap could be easily retconned. Just rewrite the dates in an updated version of Assasin, and boom, problem solved.
There's 0 reason for people to get fiery about the age gap. 5-7 is like dragon teenager years, glory is past that and certainly mature enough for a relationship, as a queen. deathbringer might be older but like????? they're not humans, this is probably a common thing in the wings of fire world.
Addition: It was considered entirely normal for glory and deathbringer alike when deathbringer brought up "wanting to go to an icewing tavern if you were there"
Omigosh, they are animals. Dogs age differently, they are adult by 1 years old, and people breed them around 2. The Dragonets are all around single digits, like animals. It doesn't matter how LONG they live, they can be like the LOTR elves where they stop "aging" around 20 and still be hundreds or thousands of years old
EXCUSE ME?????????? this is the WORST logic i've ever seen. they may be animals, but they are SENTIENT. they are essentially human in everything except body (+ i suppose some instincts) which completely throws this out the window.
@@Andrulian but their bodies are animalistic, so they may be sentient, but still have the anatomy and aging of an animal, and MAY even have some more animal-like morals too.
I mean heck, the way every dragon in this series acts is mostly sentient, but tehy still portray alot of animal-like behavior.
So in short, it doesn't matter, accept it was a mistake and move on with life.
@Moon Still, people are wayy to dramatic
@@Andrulian just because a creature is sentient doesn't make it any less animal. The humans seem more like animals but we know from Dragonslayer they aren't animals at all as the other dragons protray. Like I said in dragon years they are mature by 8 years old and some have eggs by 10 or less, like how is that not creepy in itself, therefore that's why I think of them more animal.
@@Andrulianwe see age lines due to scientific reasons on our body. Below 18 is illegal to due them not being an adult we see that because science and what it is. Out age gaps don’t follow to other species such as bees where a week old can make with the much older queen bee but they see no issue cause there is none.
Dragons age faster obviously if death bringer tried to date peace maker that would be illegal to wof laws but glory is technically an adult in dragon ages. As winters a teen.
The fans looking murderous… I dunno man, I just feel that on another level
Gonna be honest... I still like Glorybringer with or without the age gap. They have a really entertaining dynamic and Deathbringer has never been predatory towards Glory or manipulated her using her lack of life experience. Hell, they're barely even together officially in the series-more like they're at the beginnings of a romance. That isn't even to mention that Glory is a queen now, so if there was some kind of power imbalance, Glory would be the dominant one. You don't have to like Glorybringer if it makes you uncomfortable, but it doesn't make you a saint to get hissy at shippers minding their own business.
Besides the "obvious" controversy that is happening in the comments, this is animated very well 😁
LITERALLY!!! baha i love this! :D
This might be quite a controversial take, but quite frankly I don’t think the age gap matters all that much. It is true that, by error, Deathbringer was made to be older than Glory by a noticeable margin, however, despite the unintentional moral conflict, I believe for the sake of the original intention of Tui, it does not matter. The relationship was not treated as a predatory one, such as in the case of Whirlpool and Anemone. The intention was clearly for them to be of similar ages, with similar levels of maturity. In our world, yes, it could still be objectively viewed as a bit weird and questionable, but if I may remind you, this is a fantasy novel, in which loads of actions that do not translate well or at all to real life.
TLDR; the age gap is not that bad, the intentions of the author were not morally corrupt, and it’s a fantasy series, not a 1:1 replica of real life. If you really find the need to complain about such a minor detail, go touch some grass and get a life lol
I 100% agree with you kube
Even though without the age gap, the dynamic is very dodgy.
I like the expression in the shouting lol, the nod and the wing movement really add to the emotion 👍
Проблема с возрастом Ореолы в соотношении Потрошителя как то напрягла зарубежный фэндом, но вот на руссском такой проблемы не наблюдается. Так же думаю что это просто небольшой недочёт в книге, на нём не нужно заострять внимание. Вообще, вся эта муть с возрастом и измерением времени в дс не всегда понятна, так что сложно сказать... В любом случае, когда Туи писала о Ореоле и Потрошителе, то явно не намеревалась акцентировать внимание на возрасте. Да даже при первом прочтении это не заметно! Просто жаль что Туи затравили из-за этого нюанса. Оно того не стоит
Устраивал я в иностранной части фэндома дебаты
Часть даже не знает о чëм говорит
У меня ощущение что большинство просто прицепилось за эту мелочь и преувеличило еë так как им шип не нравится
Я не думаю что тут это так важно главно просто начать срач.
Типо Мракокрад и Луновзора там похожая ситуация
Is Deathbringer called Ripper and Glory called Halo?(In your country?Im sorry I come off as offending)
@@rainthesea-skywing8416 technically, "Glory" on our language also can be translated "Halo"; it's might be named synonims (russian language may be too hard for other people, but it still awesome) :D
@@limari5961 Thank you :D
honestly the idea of deathbringer just not knowing how to deal with anyone slightly younger then him is so funny
This whole “debacle” is frankly just dumb. At most, GloryBringer is like if a 18-20 year old human and a 25-28 year old human hooked up. Glory and Deathbringer both are and act like young adults. They are equals mentally and emotionally. Even then, Glory has all of the power in the relationship and can very easily have Deathbringer killed or exiled if she ever felt threatened by him. Like, *at most* it could be argued that it’s problematic relationship because _she’s_ his queen which opens the door for Glory punishing Deathbringer if he refused her advances. Except that their relationship isn’t like that at all.
It’s nowhere near scandalous. But, here are a bunch of trigger-happy teens are clutching their pearls over _nothing._ And to go as far as to preach that Tui and GloryBringer shippers are all pedos/groomers is frankly a disgusting display of malice and ignorance. If you don’t like the ship that’s fine. I can understand people not liking the characters much and thus not like the relationship. But, really, it just feels like vengeful kids are grasping at straws to destroy a ship they don’t like. To call GloryBringer grooming is frankly absurd and offensive towards ACTUAL cases of grooming.
Finally, someone who looks at it from a Dragon perspective rather than a Human one
Excellent take! I agree, I perfectly understand if people are uncomfortable with it. P*dophilia is awful and nobody should be forced to be okay with it.
Bro used so many words he took mine too.
(Good take, I agree intensely is real y’all I can say, you hit the nail on the head man)
It’s weird, people could easily just realize dragons aren’t humans or that it was an error, but nooooo. There’s gotta be those people who just want it to be true to cause drama or something weird. “The fans are the problem, not the writing error”-me literally two comments ago.
@@kinggiggles8716not to mention! They commonly don’t like death bringer… as they are people pleasures.
I did research (looked up popular artists and saw through art if they like or don’t like this ship)
Most of them do worse, such as making all characters a gender identity they aren’t and call ppl against them homophobic.
Sexualize lgbtq by making all ships lgbtq, this was super common. This includes artists such as clever basilk who even made a oc to ship with peril just so they would be lgbtq, they also ship abusive and toxic ships such as Sunny x peril who hate each other and described such.
Many artists support kinkajou x turtle which in my opinion is toxic as kinkajou was forced into liking turtle and no evidence shows that the hypnosis didn’t ware off meaning she could still be forced to this day.
They support peril x clay which for a cannon ship is kinda rude? As clay instantly began forcing peril into change but hey it’s cannon!
And much other things. While those who did ship glory x death bringer cared more about the story and were pretty chill.
LMAO, perfect meme for the recent drama
The age gap was a mistake. Somebody named Scorn the Ashwing made a video on him. He’s less than 9, guaranteed.
Yes! I saw that video. It made me feel much better about the ship.
@@beardiedragling9803 yay! I’m so glad it helped you!
Everyone keeps telling me this, but the comment linking the video got deleted. If you would be so kind can you link me the video? I’m not looking through 75 thumbnails in the woahjack style.
@@jasper7084 I have been lurking in the comments and in my opinion this is all over blown since the aging system in Wings of Fire is inconsistent also I found the video that everyone was talking about
czcams.com/video/sxwsaa_vbpE/video.html
@@BingusShmingus thanks, man.
Honestly, i put all the blame on the writers and am really disappointed that they made this oversight. The aging system in general is really, really confusing.
I don't blame many of the ships fans because a lot of glorybringer fans are children, or were children when they read the books, and that means they are often not critical of the media they consume. The age gap wasn't explicitly pointed out so it's natural that they wouldn't notice (i certainly didn't while reading) and would grow attached to the ship. It becomes problematic when someone acknowledges and normalizes the age gap, but i believe most see them as either both dragonets or both dragons, as I did while reading.
What's always been gross to me is the attacking of others on both sides, though esp the anti glorybringer side going after innocent and clearly young shipper (this may be just a WoF amino experience tho lol). Reminder!!! No matter what, do not send threats and hatred to the people you disagree with! If there's no productive conversation to be had, leave it
I wish more people agreed with me on this, rn everyone seems to be blindly accepting their age gap in my replies
Tui confirmed it was a mistake, I found a video on it that explains more: czcams.com/video/sxwsaa_vbpE/video.html
I’ve noticed a pattern, and from what it seems like the dragons age similarly to dogs dogs.
1 year old dragonet = three-five year old human
2 years old = five year old human
3 years old= six-seven year old human
4 years old = seven-10 year old human
5 years old = 10-12 year old human
6 years old = 13-15 year old human
7 years old = 14-16 year old human
8 years old = 16-19 year old human
9-11 years old= 20 year old
12-15 years old = 21-24 year old
So on and so forth,
@@youraveragemexorican Yes exactly, they age like many mammals. Humans just age weird for some reason.
yeahhh I tend to ignore the age gap part of it, since I personally believe it was just an error/plot hole in the writing. I see Deathbringer as 8 or 9 (He was mentioned to be a few years older than Winter, who's like 5) so I still support the ship.
There’s the continuous argument over GloryBringer-
I will argue over this until the end of time…or until they change their aging system because it’s very inconsistent… 💃
@@jasper7084 lmao agreed
See authors! This is what happens when you don’t pay attention in math class!!!
Honestly, they're dragons, and by Glory's point she was an adult. Young perhaps, but an adult nonetheless.
Nonce alert
I still ship them, I don’t care lol
Plus glory an adult
Proof your correct: It's like saying a 3 yr old cat can't bang with a 2 yr old one cause that's "wrong" from the age gap, though they'd already both be over 18 years old in cat years, the aging system for dragons is also much older when they're somewhere near 5 or 6. Also all the other dragonets are fully grown up adults, and Glory hatched with them almost at the EXACT time, making her a young adult, so the age gap never existed.
This adorable ship won't die on my end, THE AGE GAP DOESN'T EVEN EXIST!!
@@Sagu_Un1_ ypure right!
@@AbsoluteGremline We must make sure this ship wont die to a non existential age gap threat, let's murder people with facts, to show that our opinion is no longer an opinion, CANNON IS CANNON BUT WE CAN CHANGE IT!
@@Sagu_Un1_ LOL
Beautiful.
His face at the end has so much emotion in it I can’t describe how amazing your style is-
I don't think the age gap was intended but now basically the entire Fandom hates glorybringer...
Not the entire fandom. Most of us are still loyal. It’s just a select few that try to convince everyone that everyone hates the ship.
@@sunbreakerqueenofbronze621 mhm I know that's why I said basically the whole Fandom because it's not the whole fandom
@@JetPaw4545 I think that most of us still ship it.
It's funny i kinda always assumed they were around the same age before i started reading the age gap drama, but i still just never really liked Glorybringer. I just don't like it bc the whole ship a victim with their intended assassin thing is eeehhh to me. I mean even if he's reformed now, i just find it slightly sketchy that he was compliant to the whole kidnapping rainwings scheme. Always thought it was sort of weird that people just brushed that off, and if glory wants to forgive him that's on her, but his character was kind of smarmy to me. I don't hate it, just don't like it that much either lol I just think Glory deserves better than him personally.
Same!!! It’s a very weird dynamic. Even if he’s reformed it’s still weird writing to have her fall head over heels for the dragon who was going to kill her and who was compliant in kidnapping her Tribe. On their FIRST meeting she thinks about how handsome he is, even knowing what he was planning to do. It’s very weird
...Literally who cares about a fictional age gap between dragons???
love that wing flick
"How many times have u watched th-"
✨Y E S✨
Y'know I hate those backhanded compliments that are like
"I don't like this ship cus such and such but cute art!"
Like politely stfu nobody asked for your opinion let me fixtate on these mushy dragons lmao/lh
Its a funny joke about a dumb situation. I never thought about it bc theyre animals, even if they are conscious like humans. Theyre still animals, and are different from humans. Thats like saying robots with a conscious are humans. No, theyre LIKE humans, but still different because they are a robot. She doesn't deserve all this flack for a tiny mistake. I always took it that they were AT LEAST 18-19 years old, which means ik human logic, the age of consent and adulthood.
The animation is very smooth! I love it!
I don't think this is mentioned enough but I like how many frames are put into the animation to make it smooth. I'd love to see longer and smoothly animated content like this.
The drama that follows never ends (^._.^)ﾉ
Also beauty animation
Honestly just seems like an oversight by the author by making the aging system to condensed, causes issues like this. Tbh I personally don't really see an issue with it because of the way it's portrayed in the books but it's a shame that it's gotten to this
Such smooth animation, well done! :)
The little pout face Deathbringer makes at the end XD
OMG I WAS EARLY FOR ONCE
I would do same as well don't be mad at him for it
Can I say your animations are super fluid and addicting to watch???? I have no idea how I stumbled onto the dragon and warrior cat side of CZcams but dang am I glad to be here and see the amazing animations
Words cannot express how amazing this is
Just the fact that both dragons are adults should be enough evidence that the ship is fine tbh.
Plus it seems to have been (an obvious) mistake smh
i feel a majority of the controversy around this ship isn't the age gap, but the way the trauma around nightwings is handled. the nightwings tortured glory's tribe for around a year, kidnapped her fellow tribemates, heck, kidnapped HER, & she immediately gets in a relationship with one. idc if he's "different", he's part of the tribe that tortured her. everyone in that situation would obviously take a bit to decompress and certainly wouldn't immediately get into a relationship w a member of said tribe.
Not to mention he was sent to KILL her, he tried to kill Blaze and I think Tsunami, and she still likes him 😑
YOU MAKE THE EMOTIONS SOOOOOO REAL
Glorybringer is my absoloute favourite ship and nothings gonna change that
They are dragons, they age differently. It’s like getting upset over a 15 year old bird being mates with a 40 year old bird.
Or if you need a human example
Glory is a young adult (18-28)
Six year age differences are COMMON as adults, 5-6 years is normal completely. They are BOTH ADULTS there is nothing sketchy about it y’all are over thinking dragons which are mature earlier in life than humans. THEY AREN’T PEOPLE they were basically adults at 5 in dragon years
Exactly.
Thank you!
I know! Glory isn’t a child, like some people argue, my parents are actually 8 years apart, age gaps are pretty common. As long as they’re both adults.
Either way, Tui even stated the age gap was a mistake, so I feel like, she should probably actually fix it?
But even if it wasn’t, Glory isn’t a child.
I agree with you, but your arguments don’t work. These dragons have been humanized. They follow human morals. Tons of other animals eat their b@b1es, but that would be seen as wrong in the WoF universe because they’re humanized and aren’t just rabid animals.
@@rubyred6608760 you say as daughters brutally kill their mothers and adult dragons eat dragonetts. The only way they’ve been humanized is talking, being smart and war
It’s clearly an error. Claiming Tui supports pedophiles is horrible
How funny would it be to see a drunk Deathbringer
Amazing and funny animation as always
She wrote them so well she forgot glory was still a child. But tbh idrc still cute
But... Glory isn't? She's an adult in dragon years.
Deathbringer: Hey Glory you look really good today!
Some fans: WHAT ARE YOU DOING YOU CREEP YOU ARE TOO OLD FOR HER GO AWAY EW STOP BEING DISGUSTING
My opinions: I couldn't care less about fictional dragon love
The movements and facial expressions are perfect
My brother is obsessed with wings of fire
Remembering when the WoF amino banned it 💀
Fuck the Wings of Fire Amino. Like seriously, what kind of fucking fascists BAN art of a character.
They did WHAT now?
I'm sorry WHAT
@@amityblight2646 they are awful. Don’t go there.
the staff also sucks.
I will continue to ship glorybringer because I do not care about age gaps they are fucking stupid especially when it's a mistake and a retcon. Unless the age Gap was just absolutely egregious like 60 plus years or some stupid shit I don't think it matters
HES FOUR!
Amazing smooth animation for a joke, wow!!
Bruh ppl need to calm down. It's a great ship. Besides, they're dragons. They live for hundreds of years!! Age is EVEN MORE of JUST a NUMBER to them.
can people STOP ACTING LIKE HUMAN MORALS AND LAWS HAVE ANY PART IN THIS WORLD. The age was a mistake, everyone knows it. The dragons are literally allowed to kill their mothers and become queens at 7. and I belive 7 is the young adult stage, prove be wrong but for humans we are young adults at 18-19. the "minor" stage is passed, the ship doesn't really have any issues other than the accidental, I repeat, ACCIDENTAL age gap. so can people at LEAST not attack people who ship it-?
THANK YOU these are dragons, not humans people get the message already
… they clearly are. Dragons who kill for their own selfish gain are looked down upon by the protagonists. That’s human moral. Animals wouldn’t care.
I agree that Glorybringer is fine, since Glory is an adult and Deathbringers actually not that much older Tui just made a mistake, but to act like human morals aren’t at play here is silly. It’s a brutal society, that’s for sure, but not an animalistic one.
@@rubyred6608760 I have to disagree. Because even the protagonists were okay with killing at one point, because it’s just part of their society, specifically Tsunami and Glory. in the Lost Heir, Tsunami was excited to see her mother again, but acknowledged that she will have to kill her at some point to become Queen, but wasn’t too fazed by it because it would take long for that to happen. In the Glory’s book, she prepared to kill the current Queen of the RainWings, so she could take the throne, before being convinced to do competitions instead. Their civilisation is messed up in more ways than one, but it’s how they live.
@@toastysweaters5692 Exactly. The protagonists only do it when they have to. The only reason they wanted to kill them was so they could become queen and help their people. I’m not arguing that it isn’t a brutal and messed up society, because it clearly is, I’m arguing that it’s NOT an animalistic one like people are claiming. They still go to school, trade, buy things, have a CURRENCY, strategize in war, write, wear metal armor, etc etc etc. Animals don’t do that.
@@rubyred6608760 You raise a good point, though I would argue that Tsunami doesn’t have to kill her mother at one point, she could just wait until Coral passes on.
The animations is great!
Deathbringers expressions are perfect
you guys can’t just say it’s different because they’re dragons. you could if they weren’t humanised, but they are so the argument just doesn’t make sense. they follow most of our human morals. and even if glory has reached maturity, the gap is still really bizarre! she has barely reached maturity and he is double her age. it’s just strange
The age gap was literally confirmed to be a mistake and the books have described Deathbringer as being a few years older than Winter so he’s supposed to be around Glory’s age. It would be completely different if it wasn’t a mistake and Tui intended on there to be an age gap. Yes it’s strange to have someone double your age hit on you when you’re not fully mature but that wasn’t what Tui was going for at the end of the day. I’m not trying to take a side or “ defend” Glorybringer but I don’t understand why some people act like Tui never confirmed it was a mistake and that Deathbringer isn’t supposed to be 13. Tui has made several errors in the books before but why does this one still get treated like cannon? I genuinely don’t understand
Your doing your math wrong, Deathbringer is only double glorys age in dragon years NOT human years. They age diffetently so this isn't a case of 18 and 36. Much rather of 18-20 and 20-26 (especially since he is 9 years or younger, not 13)
They live in a world where it’s okay for mothers and daughters to kill each other for the throne and allow literal children to fight in wars, how is any of that moral?
@@toastysweaters5692 key word "most"
stop replyinggg im just talking into the void im not interested in a debate 😭😭ship what you want i just personally find it creepy
I never recognized that there was an age gap, but I also never truly shipped them. Maybe my conscience knew something I didn’t take in 👀
My god that animation is amazing
Okay well, besides the drama behind this show??? About the age gap and all… the animation in this is AMAZING. The attitude reaction of the black dragon was sooo fluid. Crazy nice work
Why did you make this video? I really don't understand the thought process here. You're not stating your opinion on the matter, just acknowledging it, which seems pretty weird because this video feels like it was only made to get people riled up and start arguments in the comments, which is what it did. Whether or not this was intended as a way to harmlessly poke fun at the discourse doesn't really matter when all this is doing is perpetuating said discourse. (I'm not gonna act like I'm above the discourse or anything though, these arguments do get myself upset but I just don't see a point in making a video like this)
I think it’s a joke. A joke with really nice art.
@@monokuma_5540 it’s a joke that isn’t saying anything
@@kaliido_scope not all jokes have to have a deeper meaning. This one is using a funny audio to poke fun at an oversight in a book series about dragons.
@@monokuma_5540 well in that case it’s still a stupid decision
I love the animation! Not gonna talk about what its about since there's several essays below LOL
your animations are good!!!
Is no one going to talk about the amazing animation?
I know nothing of these books but the animation is *so smooth!*
why i havent seen this yearr ago... THIS IS SO GOOOOOD
HOW CUTE I LOVE IT
That’s some good animation right there
loved this
I absolutely love this
I am vibing with the way this was animated-
I genuinely want the entire comic collection because i grew up woth in in 8th grade i loved those books
so smooth
What do you mean, "What am i supposed to do with him?" Give her her beer!
You are the first person I have seen who has done a wings of fire animation
I love how cute Glory seems Cx
This could be done with Darkstalker and Moonwatcher also, epiiiiccc animating :DDD
Out of everything in the WoF fandom, this seems to be one of those things we have a harder time agreeing on. Age.
I see potential in this art
7 years old is an adult in dragon years