KSI vs Tommy Fury.. Why The Judges Got It WRONG
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- čas přidán 16. 10. 2023
- The tale of a negative fight.. KSI vs Tommy was one that answered a lot of questions, but left us with even more.
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This truly is the worst case scenario IMO. KSI lost the fight, but not in a way that would humble him and motivate him to work on his flaws as a boxer. Tommy Fury won the fight, but got gone the distance by a CZcamsr much smaller that himself, so he has probably lost all respect from proper professional boxers. And the fans lost because it was a boring ass fight.
And the major issue that there is a fairly big outcry on the result, that doesn’t look good for Tommy. Having lots of people even say robbery, whether you agree or not, is telling people the fight was razor thin close, and that is an awful look if you want to be world champion
Hard to fight when the opponent is ducking and hugging why is no one taking that aspect into consideration
@@Shooter__McgavinBecause if you're a pro, there are ways of avoiding the bullrush. Such as stepping back to avoid the clinch, taking advantage of KSI's wild overhand to deliver an uppercut under the offhand, being a bigger bully in the clinch, so many options that Tommy just didn't so
@@Shooter__Mcgavinno it’s not. not when you’re supposed to be “world champion” level. even an average pro could’ve done 10x better. tommy was better in his fight against jake paul
@@Shooter__Mcgavin Because Tommy is supposedly a pro boxer, and, as such, should be able to deal with those kind of situations. Not being able to makes him look really bad.
The fact that wade, round house, and Geordie have 3 different results and what rounds went to who...... just shows what being a judge in the moment and how hard it is looks like.
No it shows which influencers have different preset opinions, Geordie is known for being biased and just outright outrageous opinions
Leave geordie out of this. He is biased af.
@hypekingzz102KSI lost round 5 won round 6 imo. Ring generalship doesn't negate the fact KSI hit a cleaner harder more damaging shot, twice in the round. And both exchanged/landed/hit nearly identical % of punches in the round. I can't be the only one thinking KSI took round 6.
how dare you mention True Geordie in the same breathe as Wade and Roundhouse... HELLLLL NO
@WishMount I even misspelled Geordie's name...oof.... but last time I checked, all three of these guys have had each other on their channels, so YES, I DO DARE SIR!!
-Faint with star jump stances
-Step in with right hand
-Clinch if it doesn’t work
-Outwork him in the clinch
-Reset
That was KSIs game plan pretty much which almost worked
Yes and a lot of people talk about it negatively. At least you acknowledge that it worked. People say that the reason he didn’t win is because of this style especially the clinch but just because they don’t think it’s entertaining doesn’t mean it’s not good boxing
@@wbgiarrusso I think this was probably the best method for him to win. It would be foolish to try and outbox a fury, having significantly less boxing experience
Except it led him to lose via uninamous decision. It didn't almost worked it definitely lost 🤣
@@SammyPebbles He lost by one point.
@@void-je4uxStill lost. Lose by one point, or lose by one hundred. A loss is a loss.
I just want KSI to actually learn how to box not scrap. He has the work ethic to be a decent boxer
Sort of agree but tbh I think he's way more effective this way. Being a traditional textbook boxer would eliminate his uniqueness and allow opponents to read him better.
Although yes he should implement things like the uppercut more. He has it but doesn't feel comfortable using it in tight fights. That can change. And it would defo benefit him
There was no possible way he was gonna outbox Tommy tho scrapping was the way to go
@@kakashihatake1029 if he stays with this competition but I thought he wanted to fight better people?
@prestonkelly4825 well doesn't matter since he's retired again
No he’s literally the worst boxer out of the big 4
I’ve seen a lot of people say this fight was a draw. Forgetting about the scorecards I agree, there was no clear winner, no clear aggressor and neither guy did enough to cement a win. However looking at it from the scorecards, with a -1 to Fury a draw is highly unlikely with Fury winning if it’s 4-2 or KSI winning if it’s 3-3. With the minus we would have to have another round not be a 10-9 for a draw. There was no other 10-8 round here so you’d have to rely on the rare and discouraged 10-10 to get a draw.
I kinda feel bad for the judges cause how can you even score that fight literally nothing eventful happened to sway 5 outta the 6 rounds
@@ninjamadedrake787 imo it's an issue with the way we score fights, it needs to change
doing jumping jacks then hugging the opponent doesn't win you rounds
@@ninjamadedrake787 Facts, it would be a more accurate judgement if their was Odd Rounds
@@Samtheman91 doing nothing and not being able to stop that doesn't win you it either, especially when he's using that jumping style to consistently land a right hand and to beat you in the clinch
I am really surprised that ksi team and coach calculated really well on how to hide Tommys jab, which says a lot about every fight he fights.
@EverybodyHatesYuldsclearly not if you spam it in the comments
All they did is cheat. How did they do well, clown?
there a video spreading that these coaches are frauds
Yes, jumping around like a idiot.
His “calculated game plan” for Tommy’s jab was clinching non stop
I watched the fight over 3x now. A couple constants and key reminders i feel are important is; 1: Tommy was allowed to control the pace, as JJ the entire fight seemed to accept the role of fighting on the backfoot to pull Fury into a shot. He rarely went forward himself and initiated his own pace. 2: JJ owned the clinch scenarios, he worked way more than Tommy did in the clinch. 3: both played the fainting game, trying to draw reactions and a lot of the time when they did go, they both went at the same time. Resulting in the fight being a bit of clinch fest. Constants: undoubtedly i feel KSI got RD1, and Tommy got RD3 and 4. KSI’s best round was the first, he landed the best shot, looked the most aggressive, focused, and determined. Tommy’s best round was the 3rd, he timed KSI almost perfectly, disrupted his patterns and looked the most aggressive in clinch scenarios. Something I don’t think he did enough in the fight. Rd 4 was similar, just not as perfectly executed as Rd 3. Rd 2 Tommy looked really good at the start, but when the point deduction occurred, he seemed to lose focus. And KSI who again owned most of the clinch work i think stole this round. Resulting in a 10-8 cause of the deduction. Round 5 was the opposite for me, where KSI started strong, but Tommy finished stronger. KSI looked the most dejected in this round. Round 6 Tommy looked the most dejecting and “fatigued.” With again a lot of clinching rather than working in there, he mainly complained. KSI did the opposite, and i think out of the two he went and got the last round. Which means i have KSI winning 57-56 solely based on the point deduction in rd 2. However, i agree with the sentiment that neither fighter deserved a victory, and a draw is reasonable to me for sure.
I have no knowledge on the subject at all, so please let me know if I observed this correctly or if I'm way off base!
After Tommy got that point deducted, it looked to me like a lot of the time when they were going into a clinch situation, he would keep his arms out a little bit and look at the ref waiting to see if he was going to break it up before he went into it and really started "clinching back". Could be my imagination, but that's what my untrained brain interpreted.
How you have KSI winning?
You watched this abomination 3 times?? Bruh you gotta find a hobby
@@orochi5919
Rd1 10/9
Rd2 10/8
Rd3 9/10
Rd4 9/10
Rd5 9/10
Rd6 10/9
57/56. So if Rd2 was scored a 10/10 (minus the 1 point, its 56/56) so at best a draw for tommy
You know if there was a real ref on that ring he would easily warn KSI or DQ him.
JJ lost period, he hugged all night. JJ literally took Anthony Taylors game plan and executed it like shit. JJ did illegal stuff over and over, yet didn't get warned. Tommy got points taken in an instant.
It felt like a draw honestly. Neither of them could really get one over on the other definitively.
Perfectly agree however Tommy has been exposed by both Jake and Ksi
All because ksi hugged tommy the whole fight. He didn’t box and showed zero skill. Tommy wasn’t able to outbox him.
@@nickwebb9937 did u even watch the vid lol
@@samm4084 it was hard for tommy to show his boxing skills when the other guy isn’t boxing.
@@nickwebb9937He’s a pro boxer he’s meant to be able to deal with any kind of adversity, furthermore tommy knew what was coming and said it was gonna he an easy KO 😂
I’d like to point out in a fight as close as this. Judges will always look toward the person that portrays a boxer better. KSI sure can confuse people but if he’s not finishing them or dominating then he’s not getting that judges decision.
Edit: because some people don’t understand I’ll put more detail into it.
Take an example I found on Reddit. The fight between Thor and Eddie the two strongest men on the planet. Both never been boxers but still did it because they wanted to beat the other. Thor the entire fight kept his hands up and used the fundamentals he learned. Eddie on the other side constantly had a hand down and went for big shots that gave him knockdowns. Unfortunately for him Thor was constantly getting the better of him. Always keeping his hands up and countering more frequently than Eddie. Ultimately giving Thor the unanimous decision because he not only portrayed a boxer better but he fought significantly smarter than Eddie.
exactly, fury was the favourite in this fight and that aside, he is the traditional boxer. It makes sense that the judges preferred tommy to win this.
It was nowhere near close. The fact that Tommy had a point deduction, and still won, tells everyone everything. Tommy whooped KSI’s ass. The bully got bullied.
and thats why boxing is corrupted
He didn't dominate Logan Paul and he won the Judges Decision then whenever Logan clearly looked like a better boxer. (At the Time)
@@XtoCee ladies and gentlemen we have a tommy fan here. The fight should have been a draw or a ksi win because tommy acted like a plastic toy, he didnt do anything, he was very awkward and stiff. On the other hand, ksi was the starfish, his game plan worked in that it took away tommys traditional boxing ability. Tommy got humbled in that fight, he was an embarrasment, whereas the youtuber was amazing/
this channel is the reason i’m interested in influencer boxing. Thank you for covering this from an unbiased POV.
KSI's team are literally on mic in between rounds telling JJ to keep clinching to get Tommy to hit him in back of the head to get points deducted....JJ bounced around and didn't commit to action he stayed in the corner making Tommy have to come in or else the fight would have been even more boring, JJ threw one punch and clinched then cried about a punch to the head to get points deducted which now we know was the whole plan...Tommy got hit multiple times in the head even 5 times in a row at one point and not once cried to ref!
KSI did not win this fight! his whole plan was to get points deducted and purposely cried to the ref to achieve this so no stop giving this clown credit.
Main event and co main as a spectacle was horrific. Although the rest of the card was great to watch, I feel like the poor showing of the two most anticipated fights might’ve ruined the care factor for influencer boxing from here on out. Jake Paul vs KSI or knowing Logan will get kod are the only pulls
That’s going to be the only fight you see KSI in from here on out anyway so it makes no difference
True and I'm not as excited about the KSI vs Jake fight anymore either because I bought into KSI saying "he's elevated his game, he's improved, he's built different, not the same guy" but he's still exactly the same and I guarantee he fights Jake the same way he did Tommy
No it didn’t influencer boxing is here to stay there is a place for it there always was
@@_azurejake his game plan will largely be the same but he does tailor his approach to the enemy like wade said so it wouldn't exactly the same
@@_azurejaketo act like he’s not elevated his game is just absolutely silly, he’s unorthodox but that in no way means he hasn’t improved
I think the big issue is people are too fast to throw out the word “robbery.” You cannot have a close fight and a robbery. that’s a contradiction. I personally thought Tommy won, but I can understand that the fight was way closer than it should have been.
Why did you think tommy won? What did he do because for the life of me I can't understand what you're seeing?
A lot closer than a lot of people think ,I strsthought that it was a draw, neither of them did enough to win the match ,and the fight was overall quite shit with not many moments at all .
Exactly I cannot lie I did initially say it was a robbery but now over time and listening to what others have to say I have changed my opinion to it was such a close fight that the decision could go both ways but I do believe it would be better off as a draw but some could say the same about Jake vs Tommys fight
I thought KSI won because I feel it’s undeniable he did actually win. One thing I have an issue with is when people say “it was close so not a robbery”, this makes no sense whatsoever. Every single point is the difference between winning and losing, between the robbery and the correct decision being made
@@mrhaz8939There were only two rounds that were 'undeniable' meaning basically everyone will agree on who won those rounds and that's round 1 for KSI, and round 3 for Tommy. There is basically nobody who would disagree with those rounds. Every single other round is up for at least some subjectivity and interpretation, ergo the result is not 'undeniable' and it is not a 'robbery' ipso facto.
Agreed with 99% of what you said.
Theirs so many boxing fights where it was clearly a draw it was so close but ultimately someone is chosen as a winner, and it sucks for them. The only way to truly win a boxing match is to do noticeably better than your opponent, if you're doing the same or even just slightly better you risk losing the fight.
@@Slick_777 I do agree it should've been JJ's fight at best and a draw at worse due to the point deduction, but if were being fair JJ hit the back of Tommy's head just as much and was never deducted or warned because Tommy didn't complain, so being fair would be taking a point off both, in which case I think the fight is Tommy's or a draw. If you only win because of a point deduction AND you were doing the same thing it's kind of sad. That's why I'm okay with this victory.
I’ve been waiting for the breakdown of this!
It’s been funny seeing the bias from both sides. KSI fans thinking it was a robbery, sure you can think he won but it’s not a robbery. It was a close and messy fight which makes it hard to score, it could have gone either way. And then the pro boxing fans blaming KSI for the hug fest, I think Tommy is equally to blame. KSI had a game plan and executed that successfully, even if it’s messy to watch. Tommy as the pro should have had the capability to deal with it and prevent it, instead he fell into JJ’s traps. Also a lot of them defending the judges, IMO only one of those score cards made sense and that was from the guy who couldn’t add up basic math. And for those saying draw, although fair based on performance, it’s unlikely on the cards with a minus one.
No interest in a rematch, Fury has been exposed twice now, let’s get him away from this scene and let his career die in pro boxing.
It’s a robbery ksi looked like the pro boxer not tommy also the work in clinch so the judges clearly ain’t looking or scoring the work in the clinch so it’s a damn robbery everyone knows jj won tommy needs to retire he says he wants to be world champion and couldn’t even knock out two influencers couldn’t even knock out Anthony Taylor
Finally a guy who’s rational. This fight was close no clear winner. But for KSI to step into the ring and make it hard on someone like Tommy who’s been boxing his entire life is admirable.
@ashbass8120 bro, KSI did NOT look like a pro boxer, what are you even saying? This whole fight was awful. Jake will steamroll KSI if they ever fight. No wonder KSI keeps ducking Jake.
@@ashbass8120 ksi did not look like a pro boxer. That wasn't his goal. He wanted to be so unorthodox and anti boxing tommy couldn't prepare for it
it is a robbery, why is it that hard to score? isn't this their job? if the judges can't score right then leave the job to us
This is a fight that felt like a draw or an edge to KSI watching it live, but going to the scoring, I was very sure KSI won the first two and either 5 or 6 so i was very confused and surprised that it went to Tommy. It just didnt feel like the correct decision. How the two judges scored the 2nd to Tommy is wild to me
Well said mate
I'm a retired professional boxing judge. I scored this fight unanimously Tommy Fury. The reason Tommy Fury was trying to engage KSI never try to engage he was holding and judges hate that. Who the hell train him to fight like that. That's not fighting you will never win on a scorecard you will have to get a knockout to fight the way he does if you call that fighting. Every father always feels like he won if he's standing at the end of the fight
Kai clenched the whole fight
@@williamhook81 A retired judge in the comment section, stop the cap
@@mas5517whether he's a retired boxing judge or not he's correct 👌
Nobody’s going to look good boxing KSI. He’s more awkward than Wades live streams.
Really enjoyed the 28 hr live !!! Well I enjoy your content in general !!❤
What a livestream it was, better than the actual commentary at the event 👀
The commentary was terrible. Wade's commentary is far better than Grisham, Roundhouse, and Helwani.
i had the commentary on mute and synced wade's stream to the fight, way better experience
@@JudaThaBuda same bro
The commentary was so biased towards KSI sucking him off non stop. I will never watch another misfits event just because of that and KSIs immature reaction after losing. Good thing I didn’t pay.
@@JudaThaBudaW
Thankyouuuuu for this, hope it’s a banger like the rest 🫶🏼 much love to you and your brand. Rlly built something amazing here and I hope it keeps growing
You mentioning that Tommy isn't improving, and as much as I root for him I think you are correct and to me it seems to be his greatest weekness. Even though his dad is entertaining and wants to be at his side during the training and the fight itself, Tommy really needs to find a coach that can really get to him to next level. Someone who can speak some sense to him and make him understand his bad habits like no one else can and force them out of him.
Censorship is bad.
Not a robbery at all. Both fighters were horrific. Could've been a Tommy win, a draw or a ksi win, terrible fight to score. It's time we have a talk about KSI's skill, because his last 2 fights he has shown absolutely nothing great. Yes Jake lost more decisively but stole a couple rounds and actually tried to outbox Tommy and had some really good moments. (Also an absolute disgrace that Ksi's corner told him to clinch to get Tommy to punch him in the back of the head). KSI needs to go back to a drawing board.
Jake put Tommy on his ass so 🤷🏽♂️ I guess we see who has more power between jake and ksi
@@xxDubZeroxxno we definitely don’t because when Jake hit Tommy he was off balance and immediately got back up. So you can’t really say Jake definitely has more power imo
Imagine still trying to talk about his skill when he clearly just beat Tommy Fury, the so called professional boxer. Some people are just acting dumb I swear
@@nicholaspope6834imo you can because Jake has consistently KD’d all his opponents and had a few KO’s.
@@mrhaz8939He didn't 'clearly' beat anyone, and his strategy literally wouldn't have worked with a different ref who might've deducted a point from (or even disqualified) him, so yes, his lack of skill is still a factor. Literally everything aligned perfectly to make this strategy even slightly work for him, but he had no plan B, because he is not a skilled boxer.
Let’s go I have been so excited for the breakdown on the KSI vs Fury fight
Two judges scored R2 for TF, and two judges scored R5/R6 for JJ, if they scored R2 for JJ (the round he CLEARLY won, idk wtf the judges saw), JJ would have won
yes round 2 was clearly jj´s and everyone agrees on that except those 2 judges, while r 5/6 were very even and could of gone to either so the judges giving him one of those also makes sense.
KSI didn't "CLEARLY" win any round. You haven't a clue what you're talking about.
@@marksommers4179He didn't clearly win any round???
Round 1?? Round 2?? What fight were you watching?
@@lidaaletap2646 he won 1st but not really sure about 2nd.
@@marksommers4179 neither did tommy
Wade got paid for saying this. He knows Jake did better than Ksi, doesn’t make sense how would it would be a draw when clearly Ksi wasn’t landing and Tommy had more significant hits. Ksi had weak hits
Right… Throw baseless accusations without actually arguing against any of the points he made in the video.
@@ryan_cl6459 Ksi was jumping around tryna look cool n show off to his lil fangirls when I’m reality he sucks. He was basically tryna survive the rounds without looking dumb takin hits
On so many misfits events people have been talking about working in the clinch rather than just hugging- and that’s what JJ did. I feel like so many people expected JJ to suddenly be an orthodox fighter. He isn’t, and he was never going to box Tommy like jake did…
ETA: I think this fight shows how smart JJ and his team were, and how little Tommy thought of JJ. Tommy’s lucky Viddal has better things to do
ksi survived thats it
He fought better against jake and that says enough, if he would have used the jab like his fucking team kept telling him to from round 1 ksi would’ve been tko or atleast knocked down by round 4 or 5, Tommy is not a good boxer but he’s not bad either he just wasn’t boxing right that night
@@youuglyasl4842he couldn’t find his jab for the first 3 rounds…KSI being awkward threw off Tommy’s range
@@Rawmaney I don’t think he really found it at all, he only started using it in round 3 and caught him with a couple but he didn’t use it to its full potential and I’d argue it was his best weapon that I think cost him a more clear definitive win
A couple times. The other 33 odd times were for nothing and because his corner said clinch because tommy had no choice but to hit his head and his coach would rather him die instead of losing 😂
Tommy's biggest issue is he overcrowded himself, he can never get off full extension shots,
which is compounded when facing someone like KSI who is moving on the inside really quick, it gives Tommy so little time to land a punch as he is also moving towards the inside. Tommy needs to get out of this habit, it makes sense when all his family has longer reaches than himself, that he goes to the inside, but he's fighting guys with shorter reaches, it just leads to him overcrowding and those back of the head shots, which would be legitimate hooks if he was fighting someone with a 84 - 85 inch reach, are not when it's someone who's reach is in 70s.
@EverybodyHatesYulds go away
JS I need to get a real boxing trainer. Because he is not ever going to win on the scorecards. He would have to get a knockout to win. All he does is hold his opponent to keep from getting hurt. Judges hate that you will never win a fight. I don't believe nobody else is going by no more pay-per-views 4 KSI
An epidemic we have in this scene is when influencers fight professionals is the constant clinching, Logan and Mayweather, Jake against Tommy, KSI vs Tommy, Antony Taylor when fighting both Idris and Tommy (although not as successful against Idris). It leads to very boring fights, that I think seem really close when first watched and it becomes clearer afterwards that these fights weren't as close as once thought. I know the reason they do it is because they know they are close to being knocked down, it's just not great for the sport.
Honestly think that the jake ksi fight will be extremely similar to this one because ksi stlye can only produce two outcomes either a ko or a boring clinch fest
@@62ZAKA I would not be suprised at all if that's what happens
They don’t do it cuz they are scared to get knocked down they do it cuz they all lack inside fighting ability, Tommy fury included
Shout out to deen and walid their fights always good
@@thatguy7187 Logan, AT and Jake were definitely close to be knocked down. I'd agree they do all have issues with in fighting though.
Not Tommy’s greatest performance but judges got it right in my opinion. I do think Tommy did fight too much with the desire to ko KSI rather than stick to what he’s naturally better at which is stick and move essentially granted when fighting another wild version of Anthony Taylor it’s hard to get off the shots you’re looking for when your opponent is hugging most of the time . KSI also threw way more shots in the back of the head and not one point was deducted. There were plenty of opportunities for Tommy to uppercut but again he got the win in an event that was pro ksi. Main event wasn’t great but I guarantee you if KSI wasn’t holding so much this fight would’ve gone differently.
real talk ksi needed a point deduction from the fight he was warned by the ref to stop clinching and then did it right after, He should've got points taken
I had it as a tie.
R1: 10-9 KSI
R2: 10-8 KSI
R3: 10-9 Tommy
R4: 10-9 Tommy
R5: 10-9 Tommy
R6: 10-10 draw
Total 57-57 draw
Your just a ksi fan girl who don’t want him to lose but from someone who knows boxing for over 12 years here’s this for ya
R1: 10-9 ksi
R2: 9-9 even
R3: 10-9 Tommy but it was close
R4: 10-9 Tommy
R5: 10-9 Tommy bc ksi only landed 6 out of the 25 he threw and Tommy landed 12 out of the 26 he threw.
R6: 10-9 Tommy bc he landed 21 out of the 31 he threw and ksi landed 11 out of the 28 he threw.
@@Ceemoney827 Ksi won round 2 he landed the bigger shots and out landed tommy in that round
@@Ceemoney827I promise you no one cares about your opinion, 12 years or not
@@Ceemoney827your just sad hater cry harder , ksi won get mad baby 🍼.
@@Ceemoney827 for someone this condescending you sure did cope a lot to explain the last 2 rounds
I've been excited for this! Wooooo, cant wait to see your take, this will be interesting
Really good analysis as well Wade san. Much appreciated
I did not need to pay, the livestream was amazing. Had to show some love!
I couldn’t afford to watch the fight and your live stream was all I needed, you rock!
You should be glad you didn't. I pirated the event and still wanted a refund.
The reaction to the decision is a perfect example of people who dont know boxing trying to score a boxing match. I dont blame them either, they arent fans of boxing theyre fans of KSI, and between thw crowd and insanely biased commentary i can understand how a casual viewer could cry robbery
bruh, if you love boxing and know boxing then you dont score this fight as a win for tommy either. it is literally atrocious that the judges scored round 2 as tommy winning it. its like we didnt see the same fight at all. robbery might be a stretch but its not entirely wrong either for the situation. ksi did a bunch of nothing and tommy did a bunch of nothing. the only memorable thing that whole fight was ksi rocking tommy with that right hand. and somehow he lost that round.
I heard one guy say KSI landed way more in the clinche so he should win😂😂😂.
@kregman6928 round 2 was close, but ignoring that you said it yourself, KSI did nothing and Tommy did nothing. You can't cry robbery when you spent 3 months preparing and THAT was the best gameplan you could come up with
@@michaelsilverdahl2175 I mean you can argue that at least ksi had a plan xD tommy just sucks balls. I do not believe round 2 was close to any capacity. I think 1 and 2 were the only 2 definitive rounds in the whole fight. but other than those 2 rounds. the fight was atrocious.
@@michaelsilverdahl2175It ain’t a robbery but Tommy the so called “pro” boxer couldn’t put a CZcamsr on the canvas like he said he would lol instead of focusing on the CZcamsr you should focus on the “real” boxer who got exposed.😂
Judges scorecards were right Tommy deserved to win, obviously ksi didnt get robbed
been waiting for this video and this video only
23:50 “Ik KSI doesn’t like moral victories 🤓”
The whole purpose of this fight was to get a moral victory over jake
no as in a moral victory such as " I did better than expected i deserve some sort of a w"
@@tsgrapiidz6970 "I did better than expected-" you know when you're looking for silver linings like this the coping is getting bad 🤣
@@SammyPebbles but he never really said that
@@tsgrapiidz6970 good he really shoudlnt lmfao 🤣
@@SammyPebbles he can as everybody expected him to lose in a far worse fashion
KSI should've got a point deducted for all the excessive clinching he did his coach even said "you're up on all rounds, and he got a point deducted so stay in the clinch and he'll hit you in the back of the head again".. The commentary was so biased towards KSI i think it might've swayed people's opinion into thinking KSI got robbed cause that was the most biased commentary ive ever heard.. you can't claim robbery in a fight that close, and I don't want to hear anyone say you're biased against KSI again lol cause you had a slight bias for him in your livestream of the fight
Clinching isn’t an offense if you fight in the clinch lil bro
JJ had o bunch of hits on the back of Tommy’s head to and head butting in the clinch to. Fair win for Tommy
@@asifsiddique455 I'm guessing you haven't watched boxing outside of influencer boxing cause you can absolutely get a point deducted for excessive clinching/holding even in situations like that
@@mrbodin yeah if they took away a point from Tommy for shots to the back of the head they should've taken a point from from KSI too.. and I think Tommy won too it was close enough to where I could also see it being a draw at worst with the point deduction Tommy
@@holden9278these people don’t understand
Tommy won, KSI came to hug and his and his coaches game plan was to turn his head in the clinch so Tommy would get disqualified. Embarrassing. The people who actually got robbed were the people who actually paid for that trash 😂
Love the content wade, would really like to see a video on the breakdown of you and sensei comparing how Jake and ksi done against tommy. I think that would be a pretty cool vid!
Watch it again ksi lost for sure. Not only that but he wasnt actually trying to box. You expect that to not count towards the scorecards? He came to clinch and throw in the clinch thats it. His gameplan was visible but this isn't mma.
In a actual fight to mucu Clinching can be worth a point deduction. KSI os lucky the ref was nice.
@dillianwhyte443 the ref was the one person paid off it was very visible.
keep coping little ones.
I hate how people complain about this fight being boring, ksi went into the fight with the mindset of winning no matter what, ofc the strategy he chose wont be the most fun to watch but it will be the most effective and cleary it was effective enough to almost win/get a close descision loss.
Ksi vs tommy was never meant to be entertaining, it was all for jj to one up jake, the fights prior were meant to be more entertaining but due to dillon fighting the way he fought that was also kinda boring.
It was literally the main event it was probably what people expected the most amount of entertainment and boxing out of yet most thought slim v salt papi was better than this clinch fest which I don’t think anyone can argue against, people came for boxing and entertainment and they got a snooze fest clinch fight 💀
When both men are claiming to knock each others heads off, and it turns into a clinch fest, of course people are gonna be furious, especially those who paid. It's like ordering an apple watch on ebay and when you get it it's an apple with one of those kiddy watches wrapped around it, wouldn't you be pissed?
Well if it was meant to one-up Jake he should have at least boxed like a man. Instead he bounced around like a kangaroo the whole night then went for an overhand right and then clinched. I wanted to see JJ follow up or try to counter punch. He lost because he didn't look very active until each clinch. Hits in a clinch don't win you fights that's why the judges did what they did. Tommy appeared to be making more moves and pressing forward. Im a fan of KSI and I was thoroughly disappointed
@@Anthony-hy8zxNo, KSI was never gonna box Tommy. He was always going to fight Tommy which he did. He out worked Tommy in the clinch nearly every time.
@@OG-512that wasn’t even fighting. He didn’t swarm him or anything
Nah JJ lost. And he’s a punk for acting the way he did afterwards
The only big complaint i had about KSI in this fight is that he only used his right hand. I dont remember seeing a left power punch thrown by KSI
Same but it’s what his trainer told him to do
Yeah I thought he had a decent left hook, I wonder why that wasn’t in the game plan
@@mrhaz8939 he constantly used his left as a gauge and a "dont come near here" to tommy, if he changed to his left he probably would of had to close the gap and tommy would of eaten him up with his jab.
@@kingmcclawson190 Very good point, the left was manufactured into the range dictator so that Tommy would find it hard to land the jab, pretty good tactic by KSI I’ll give him that
That’s a huge complaint but valid
It doesn’t matter who you believe won, but it wasn’t a robbery whatsoever.
It was an absolutely terrible fight and it was that close because neither fighter done anything significant that it was going to be extremely close either way
I thought it was a draw but can’t complain either he judges giving it to either fighter
I can’t speak for everyone, but I know I’ve called it a robbery in passing in the sense that JJ was robbed of a moment. It’s hard to call this fight for Tommy, and yet somehow all three did? And two of them gave round 2 to Tommy?! I just feel like JJ was robbed of a draw or a slight win and what that would have felt like for every fan of influencer boxing and him after so much doubt about JJ’s skill, but it’s not a robbery in the sense that he steam rolled tommy.
It was a robbery if you believe it wasn’t the correct decision, no matter how close, every single point matters
KSI would have been disqualified in the first round. In an amateur fight. Because the referee will make you engaged instead of holding to keep from getting hurt. That's the reason you hold
That's the end of Misfits boxing. Thank you KSI. Only a nutjob would buy pay-per-view from them now. It is one-and-done. Guaranteed
@@williamhook81 he wouldnt because hes unorthadox but ok☠
I'm a retired professional boxing judge for 35 years I'm retired. KSI lost this fight unanimously. Because he never engaged 2 Box. We judges absolutely hate holding because you don't want to get hurt. And that's what was going on here. I watch this fight and I scored this Friday at home. Game scores is the judge came up with. 57 Fury 56 KSI across-the-board.
u must be trolling. friday at home when fight was on sat and we're only on tuesday😂😂
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@@tsgrapiidz6970that's when you know he's just capping lmaooo. Like atleast if u want to lie online, why not provide a source to make to seem more convincing?
@@xatime2833 facts
Awesome
Thanks for the content Wade!
Been waiting for this ngl wade🫡🫡
Dude how did I not know that was Lev Bell with you lmao. You guys had a great dynamic & chemistry.
Close fight = not a robbery, the only reason KSI would have won was because of a technicality, did we all have memory loss and forget the amount of back of the head shot he did to George last fight, Referee didn't even bat an eye.
Ps. where was this "One Hit Knock out Power" from KSI.
who the fuck is george? seems to me you have memory loss.
ps. if someone truly has one hit knock out power then they’d be unstoppable. its chatter and trash talk.
He literally went against a pro 20lbs heavier than him who's been boxing since he was 6 years old & still you come up with bs
Of course he will say shit he has to look confident & sell the fight
@@uyt713 the hate towards ksi is unreal, people hate seeing a man do well
wtf is george
@@uyt713 Backfired badly didn't it lol man pulled up in a lambo like he was all that then lost cried 🤣
Ksi rubbing the back of his head and crying about it like Ksi doesn’t do this to every opponent he faces is a joke.
Man, 100% agree with wade. Even roundhouse said that it was either a draw or a KSI win with giving 5th round to KSI based upon the stats
Literally been waiting days for you to cover this. Thought I’d give it a last ditch effort to see if you uploaded - well yeah 🙏🏼
Thank you.
God Bless man 🙏🏾
Tommy controlled the pace, pushed ksi back, and landed the cleaner shots. Ksi leaped in, through an overhand right, missed every time and then immediately initiated clinches. Thats all he did all night long. Oh and hopped around like a kangaroo. He should have also had a point deducted for all the clinching. Tommys performance was underwhelming but he won.
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How did he control the pace? Ksi imo controlled the fight and missed every time? Ksi landed multiple times
Also in the clinch which Kai forced he beat him there too
"Missed every time"
Bro. Yes he spammed those shots but sometimes they were effective and that was a good gameplan. Of course he wasnt there to box Tommy 1v1. He just wanted to beat the guy somehow. And KSI said that he has no talent, just works hard and he is right. That shit is impressive how dedicated he is to surprise people and prove them wrong. If only he knew that there always gonna be people who just want to hate no matter what (im not his Anime act stuff, thats fair game :D)
This is what I mean when I say alot of the people saying tommy won are blatantly biased/hate jj. Him quote: "dancing around like a kangaroo" has nothing to do with who won or how the fights scored.
25 minutes to talk about a horrible fight where you are completely biased.
the video i’ve been waiting for
Tommy won every round after the second according to verdict and I must agree but either way it’s impressive for ksi to go the distance with a “professional” boxer.
He didn’t win round 5
1 2 and 5 went to KSI and plus the deducted point
Round 6 could go to JJ as well
@@talibin Except he did lol
@@talibinwhat is your knowledge or experience or credentials to claim that?
I feel bad for Ksi. Yes it is completely on him that he chose shoot fighters but his coaches are HORRIBLE
Nah they aren't they are amazing coaches it was just the fight that was so close that the decision could of gone either way overall I believe the fight was a draw
@@dapo7930 It was a unanimous decision. Wasn't close at all
@@SammyPebbles clearly was close considering most credible sources being fighters , boxing youtubers like wade or even ksi haters(other influencers i mean) , either say it was a draw or a ksi win.
@@kingmcclawson190 "Draw or a KSI win" mfs wit youtube channel can't even pick one when the actual judges said Fury won and won unanimously ffs 🤣 "credible sources" gtfoh
@@SammyPebbles Bro he lost by one point its still close
Great analysis as usual!
Love Wade, very composed opinions, I love it
You can argue that this was a draw, but if there is a definitive winner, surely it's not Timmy
couldnt be a draw based on the point deduction keep up buddy, also ksi baiting out back of the head shots is soft af he loses in the court of public opinion based on that, unless youre a child at least
When I scored it I had 57-56 Tommy, watched it over 3 times now and my opinion has stayed the same. It’s either a draw or Tommy wins, I see no world where KSI wins imo. Granted I also believe KSI should’ve lost points for holding
You literally said the opposite of what's true. There's no way you can give jj this fight despite the point deduction, scorecards were messed up but the right man won
Rounds 1-2 KSI
3-6 tommy
Only way to score it
Tommy won easily. KSIs dumb game plan backfired and he looked awful. Judges don’t care that he’s a “CZcamsr” it’s a fight and he did nothing to showcase that he deserved the win. Holding somebody for an entire fight so they can’t piece you up is dumb as hell and he needed that L
@@danielbaker1510 clearly you know nothing about boxing if your argument has to be something to do with being "soft af", grow up lil bro
People are a little too quick to throw around the word *robbery*
I believe Tommy won even after rewatching the fight. KSI clinched excessively, which should have resulted in points deducted. KSI also landed more back of the head shots than Tommy, but somehow, only Tommy was blamed and had points deducted. KSI couldn't have really expected to win off of a clinch off. Yes, it wasn't Tommy Fury's best performance, but he had the cleaner shots throughout the fight
This was a bad performance not to sure if we were watching the same fight it was a draw and they messed up the score card
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I think what I hate the most about KSI is his ego about how good of a boxer he is, but even after all these years when the bell rings, he goes back to swinging like a mad man and all his 'technique' and 'skill' he claims to have just goes out the window. its annoying to watch.
There's nothing to add to this analysis. It's spot on.
Im sure if anyone else on Misfits fought like JJ did. They wouldnt get a call back. We all know that fight wasn’t entertaining.
I would disagree with Wade’s take. First of all, Tommy IS ahead of these boxers as far as actual boxing skills go. The only reason this boxing match was as close as it was because KSI was very akward and unorthodox. Had Tommy performed better or he he been a bot more experienced, KSI tactics would not have been suscessfull at all. Tommy won, KSI lost. A rematch would have been bad for KSI.
Tommy walked him into the corner each round multiple times, threw the 1-1-2 everytime and KSI ass clinched everytime he threw that combo which was 80% of this fight. Ksi skill set showed and so did Tommy’s, both subpar
I think Tommy won. Ksi's coaches were the worst. They were telling him he was winning and to clinch more. If you hug for 6 rounds you shouldnt win.
Tommy clinched just as much if not more than KSI tho and in the climch KSI won
Bro commented before even watching the video, verified hater
Thats what anthony taylor did with kenny and won,tommy fury kept clinching too because when he got hit by that overhand right and uppercut he realised the power.also ksi dominated the clinch game and landed way more
He wasn’t intentionally clinching bruh 💀 and he was winning the clinches coaches are supposed to take that into account jj won every single clinch throwing vicious body shots it’s like the judges just completely ignored that
So by your own words that means Tommy shouldn’t have won, because he hugged for 6 rounds.
Ksi wudda got more respect if he actually boxed n got KO’d in 2 rounds. Instead he ran n hugged
Great video
KSI landed 38 punches and Tommy landed 39 punches as confirmed by the compubox stats. The majority of KSI's shots landed in the first two rounds (he landed 18 of his 38 shots in those two rounds alone) whereas Tommy landed much more consistently across the 6 rounds. And when two fighters are landing nearly the same number of shots as each other (or when the difference in shots landed is like 1-2 punches), you have to look at who was actually pushing the pace of the fight and being the aggressor. There was only one man in there who was coming forward, and that was Tommy.
Rounds 1 and 2 go to JJ, 3 through 6 go to Tommy. But regardless of the result, this wasn't a robbery by any means. You can't call a close fight where both guys land a clean punch once every 4 minutes a complete robbery.
3 to 6 defo wasn’t for Tommy cuz JJ took round 5
@@kernalawoko5384 KSI did not win round 5. The punches were 3-1 for Tommy Fury and all KSI did was hug and jumping jacks. He lost because he wanted a hugging match not boxing match
@@kernalawoko5384 what are you on about?
3-6 don't go to tommy, he didn't do enough except for round 4 win and didn't do enough to stamp 100 percent on any of them, people have him those rounds just because it was close, not because he won them
@@neelabhtrivedi1121 so what about round 6 and 3? Also Tommy didn't do anything either, he was beaten in the clinch and couldn't do anything with his jab since ksi neutralized it, again I don't see any metric you're using to claim he won
The people saying “KSI shouldn’t have clinched” but they don’t keep the same energy for Tommy, who was clinching and holding just as much, hence why the ref didn’t take points for holding.
When all the true fighters are saying it was a KSI win or draw actually have arguments to back their statements, the other side only say “Oh he clinched so he lost”. All these people are just pure KSI haters for no reason, and the worst part is that they don’t even know boxing enough to back their argument😂
Nah that's cap ksi was doing about 90% of the holding.
@@uniopp1 why are you lying
the problem is boxers arent judges and most of them aren't qualified to be one, in fact probably none. Fair win to Tommy.
@@vices5954 hope off ksi's nuts he got dominated 4-1 wasn't a close fight.
@@MrLampes you can’t be a judge without being a boxer. How else would you know who wins? You have to be a true student of the game first.
So true about Tommy crowding his work whenever he throws the right. It's so evident in every fight, how have him & John not addressed it?
Yooo Wade I still haven’t gotten my breakdown hoodie!!! 😭😭
Great breakdown as always
How tf did you watch a 24 min video in a minute?
@@MusabXD3000 I'm watching it rn but ik it's gonna be a great breakdown
Tommy won! No need for making KSI's fans more delusional with these type of videos
Imo Tommy clearly won 3/4/5/6 pretty convincingly. That said he should be embarrassed for losing an exchange let alone 2 rounds to a hobby fighter
Does anyone else watch Wade's videos and rap over his background music. be hittin different fr.
I think the judges got really annoyed with Ksi going straight for the clinch every 5 seconds honestly because ik it was his strategy but like it really ruined the fight
The real losers are those who paid actual money to watch two grown men hug
You should check out Daley’s breakdown on his channel! He goes into real detail it’s really interesting from a boxing coach.
Keep up the good work wade!
Ksi didn't engage and stalled with clinching. Boxing is mid-short range hand-to-hand combat. Ksi didn't engage in these two ranges, he was outside and clincing. With real championship pro-boxing referee like Kenny Bayless, Ksi would have been deducted a point for not engaging and stalling for each round. Tommy Fury won easy in boxing rules, if the match would been MMA rules Ksi could won. They should do Bare Knuckle boxing rules, so they can clinch and there would be no complaining.
He was not robbed. He didn’t negate anything. All he did was duck under the right hand and hug. He lost. There’s nothing to break down here. U don’t win hugging. Tommy walked him down and tried to make a fight while ksi hugged. If u watch actual boxing these clown show events are easy to call and score.
did tommy actualyl land a punh i dont remember
i think it’s fair to say that ksi is an actual boxer if tommy is and it was that close
Love how you are never biased that is truly rare these days. Wade on top
If tommy complained about the back of the head hits you wouldnt say the same about it being ”a smart move”
don't cry 😂
19:05 shout out to WADE for acknowledging your tribal chief as he should
I don't understand those boxing or fighting channels to be honest, you have no fight experience or coaching experience. Tommy won 4 rounds (3,4,5,6) and he always had his foot forward and controlled the tempo and pushed forward while ksi tried to land a big right then went into a clinch, this deductes points from him which is why tommy got a majority decision. I'm not hating on what ksi did, it was great that he went the distance vs a "pro" boxer but yet again his style was extremely unorthodox which makes it difficult for anyone to "properly" box with him.
Wade trying to protect CZcams boxing 😂
@@cm-vs7fzhes just being real, yet ur closed sped mind cant see
there are many instances that tommy doesn’t adapt to the fight. Jj did the same thing every round yet tommy doesnt adapt to it even with 10 years plus in boxing.
@@melonxvihe's trying to kiss KSI'S ass and get back on misfits I promise you.
Nothing about being real 😂
oh ofc you would know that as a fact, not the fact that he was on a competitings side organization or the fact that logan jj n mams still make fun of wade even till this day. just because wade gave a answer u don't like, it doesn't make him a ass kisser. I PROMISE you that.@@MuhammadHosny0
I may be biased but I would have to say that KSI won 1,2,6 and therfore winning 57-56 due to the r2 point deduction
Spot on
Not sure why ksi fans keep giving him round 6 as he threw more yet landed less that round, Tommy hit more shots and was pushing the pace he defo won round 6
I thought Tommy won round 6
@@youuglyasl4842 If we apply your logic then KSI won round 5 due to more shots landed, especially power punches. But if we use the “clean punches” logic, then KSI won round 6. One straight right to the head, one straight right to the body, one overhand right, two stiff jabs to the face and one stiff jab to the body were all his clean shots, more clean shots than Tommy in that round, the logic sort of overlaps itself both ways
I have it the same after rewatching it 2x
Watching it live I had fury winning
Wasn’t a tough watch for normies, it was a tough watch for anyone with eyeballs
Boxing should make it a thing where if it's a draw they ask both opponents if they want to do 1 more round to determine the winner
JJ's whole gameplan was to bounce in the corner to make Tommy come in or else the fight would have been even more of a sleep fest and throw a right hand and clinch...but also to make Tommy hit him behind back of the head purposely turning his head into them, guessing you haven't watched JJs corner cam? you know where on mic we can literally hear KSIs coach telling him to clinch and let Tommy hit him in back of the head to get even more points off.....
So no KSI didn't win this fight, him and his team put together a plan of just not fighting and instead doing star jumps and throwing a single shot then clinching and over exaggerating a hit to the head that JJ and his team WANTED they literally said during the fight to keep getting points deducted!
Yeah I also noticed KSI tunrned his head multiple times when clinching to make Tommy accidently hit him behind his head. It’s just dirty and not respectable at all.
Atleast Jake fought Tommy like an actual boxer while KSI didn’t cause he was clearly scared to do so.
There is no way for a Fury/KSI 2 because I guarantee Tommy will be asking at least triple now that he thinks he's the top dog now
If anything, he would ask for more rounds to negate any more clinches
I mean he is. He just beat the Nightmare, the guy who can see John Cena 🤡That don't make him A-side then idk
Genuinely one of the worst fights I’ve ever watched. Nothing jake has done has come even close to as unwatchable as that. Jake vs Woodley 2 was shaping up to look like that but Jake ended that with the best knockout in this scene’s history. This was honestly an embarrassment for the sport!
15:52 in closer look KSI is actually very slick with his head movement, uppercut missed but he continued with a jab and right hand that scrapes on Tommys haircut.
The only thing Ksi was missing was his left hook following the right like he did against Temperrr