Explaining why AAA games ( and the industry )is getting worse| The Chill Zone Reacts

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  • čas přidán 10. 05. 2024
  • The industry as a whole has gotten a lot worse, by the time I was done editing this more studios were shut down
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Komentáře • 57

  • @Kaltsit-
    @Kaltsit- Před měsícem +109

    Getting too big. Games are supposed to be fun. Not investments.

    • @starcilio4962
      @starcilio4962 Před měsícem +11

      It should be both .Theres no reason for dev working their ass of to make a game and not making any cents from it .Especially if want you to keep making games in the future as a full time job/as a studio. Otherwise every indie game would be free because "Indies studio are the only good ones and they dont care about money lul". Not even talking about these solo dev who work for years as one man army AND on their free time.

    • @freakysquirrel7218
      @freakysquirrel7218 Před měsícem

      @@starcilio4962 I agree. You should have both passion and a return for your investment. However, concerning AAA games specifically, 100-150 people should be the maximum amount of developers for a AAA game imo. Anything above that and the Return on Investment starts decreasing.
      Solo devs and small studios' main issue is the lack of marketing. If people start talking about their game, it gets them more money. If they don't then they could fall into obscurity.

    • @RenegadeVash
      @RenegadeVash Před měsícem +5

      Bloat is due to combination of factors
      -Incompetent hires who can't do simple tasks in timely manner leading to over hiring, which in turn leads to chain of command and leadership difficulties with larger and larger teams
      -Blockbuster chasing of golden live service like fortnite, teams forced to work on large projects that have no creative foundation or motivation leading to low productivity and leadership unable to have clear vision when restricted by publishers. This is also restricted and slowed by ESG requirements.
      -Nepotism, especially among the "woke", who only hire those they agree with on politics completely unrelated to work. So in really corporate offices they chase out old devs with the experience to hire new people who have no idea what they are doing.

    • @edvin8581
      @edvin8581 Před měsícem +1

      @@starcilio4962 Yeah, but the money never goes to the game devs

  • @Jashua-
    @Jashua- Před měsícem +37

    The triple a gaming industry needs to crash. These companies have shown that they will not learn their lessons

  • @1wayroad935
    @1wayroad935 Před měsícem +42

    One important piece of history that often gets swept under the rug is that Valve is the originator of loot boxes and microtransactions in modern games. Their success in TF2 is what made companies in EA and Bethesda to start considering such strategies.

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 Před měsícem +4

      Very valid point. CS-GO is a massive cash sink.

    • @flavio1243
      @flavio1243 Před měsícem +5

      A fair point, but EA and Bethesda really took it a step further on how much they want to milk their fans. Nope, I do not support lootboxes whatsoever, I am just a big fan of valve's products whenever it is their hardware or games.

  • @Wreckuiemz
    @Wreckuiemz Před měsícem +4

    You genuinely are one of, if not, my favorite reaction channels; you actually put in insight and add something to videos, something not seen much anymore.

  • @iosyf8409
    @iosyf8409 Před měsícem +14

    I like the pauses you do for your tangents. Please feel less guilty about it.

  • @RookMeAmadeus
    @RookMeAmadeus Před měsícem +6

    7:56 - I'd say that's how it's ALWAYS been. Small companies are the ones innovating. This holds true all the way back to the 90s. Even the "big" companies back then would've been about the size of indie studios today. They were still small enough to innovate, be agile, and make games that were FUN, not just cash grabs.
    Though in the case of ID Software in particular, they had the ultimate combination of John Carmack and John Romero. They basically created the FPS, and were the forces behind Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, and Quake. Powerhouses individually, but a force that helped shape the entire industry when they worked together. People like that are rare, and they don't survive well in overly corporate environments like most of today's game companies.

  • @The63adrian
    @The63adrian Před měsícem +5

    The industrie need to make AAA games based on quality and fun, not bein AAA in budget. Look at Nintendo, they are making smaller, middle size games and AAA games, but they have a huge game library, and there are hardly no bad games that I can mention from hem in recent times.

    • @LWolf12
      @LWolf12 Před 23 dny

      Never happen, Triple A studios don't even see gamers as gamers. They see them as consumers. You could hear it in how they talked about them before E3 shutdown. Your right though, there is no reason the latest Spider-Man game should cost as much if not more than the last Spider-Man movie.

  • @jeffloud6180
    @jeffloud6180 Před měsícem +3

    The problem with the entertainment industry is that if your company constantly fires really talented people even when they do a good job will earn apathyfrom that talent and even make other hesitant to work for you which will harm long term profits. We are seeing this happen with Disney suffering from pissing off all the most talented writers (firing them because it was cheaper to hire using dei even tho 95% of the time the dei hires are not qualified at all for the job they were hired for)

  • @thanos2715
    @thanos2715 Před měsícem +16

    Thank you for bringing up some insight. Really appreciate your videos. I always learn something!

  • @johnj.spurgin7037
    @johnj.spurgin7037 Před měsícem +4

    The Investment economy was a mistake, and I deeply hope that kickstarter and similar programs renders them OBSOLETE!
    Part of the problem is Big games and big studios need to get external funding for this massive projects, and the best way for that is ESG loans, or it was at first. Now the companies are full of zealots.
    Also, I wasn't aware of the changed workplace SOP in regards to Boom-&-Bust cycles. THAT is new info to me. It feels really scummy though. Just hire contractors!
    Wokeness is the WHAT of games being bad, but ESG and investor demands and company bloat are the HOW AND WHY.
    The whole "company strategy" thing makes me feel like they see this as a literal war on their customers' wallets.

  • @olimar243
    @olimar243 Před měsícem +3

    Also, my budget is barely good enough to pay rent and bills, im not gonna blow 100$ per new releases.
    Too many expensive releases per year.
    Back then, felt like there was that ONE release in the year, and then some side games.
    I just dont have the money, im not a video game CEO, i don't have infinite money

  • @freakysquirrel7218
    @freakysquirrel7218 Před měsícem +4

    One scene that I found they did a really good job with, was the interrogation scene from Modern Warfare (2019).
    But yeah, as Jack said, they could if they wanted to.

  • @jakeking974
    @jakeking974 Před 22 dny

    One of the best things successful indie devs who are looking for seed capital for either further development or starting a new project IMO is the "pay it forward" "DLC" that doesn't really provide much, but the developers directly state that it's just if you really like the game and want to support them since it's often like a five dollar purchase on a 20 dollar game. Because they're basically the them being transparent and human about the fact they DO NEED money, but it's not ABOUT the money, it's what the money affords them to develop.

  • @Zero_Alter
    @Zero_Alter Před měsícem +3

    My heart hurt after hearing
    Aliens: Colonial Marines 😔
    And GTA Trilogy 😔

  • @jakeking974
    @jakeking974 Před 22 dny

    What bothers me the most is how these big businesses don't see that the "hype cycle" works for those without pattern recognition, but for the majority of gamers with brains, we SEE how toxic and scummy these companies are and are distancing ourselves. There's no longer any faith in AAA to a majority of gamers, so as people start to vote with their wallets, they're going to tank in revenue.

  • @cripplinganimedepression9902
    @cripplinganimedepression9902 Před měsícem +4

    I remember that you've made a game reviev of your own. Wanted to watch it again, but cannot find it.

    • @TheChillzoneX
      @TheChillzoneX  Před měsícem +3

      I have made reviews for a few games. They are under a playlist on the channel in a playlist called Gaming

  • @LWolf12
    @LWolf12 Před 23 dny

    As Gary from Nerdrotic says "Don't ask questions, just consume product, then get excited for next product." I believe he was talking about comics, but the saying applies to gaming. Either way the answer I hear from people like ItsaGundam, is a pretty simple one. Is that AAA Games are built as entertainment, they are built to be consumed, get you hooked on their monetization scheme & used to their loot boxes. Before you move on to the next 60, 70, 80, 90 dollar game as the price keeps going up. Unless Ubisoft gets there way and then it'll be price per hour.

  • @jakeking974
    @jakeking974 Před 22 dny

    I actually had my computer and phone taken away as a teen because I'd get Cs for not doing my homework so I could play WoW (yes, my parents did eventually end up paying for forcing the pressure on me, I'm now an alcoholic NEET who lives in their basement because my anxiety has crippled me)

  • @ShonenXIV
    @ShonenXIV Před měsícem +2

    Asmongold would love hearing your WoW story during school lol

  • @jakeking974
    @jakeking974 Před 22 dny

    The other part of not being able to easily fire people in Japan is black companies. No, it's not a race thing, it's a term for companies, often large ones with multiple controllers AND subsidiaries that engage in hiring young workers en masse, working them to the bone with overtime with no overtime pay, bullying them into quitting or suffering, and threatening to ruin their reputation in the workforce if they DO leave. So there's almost a 100% chance that Capcom and Nintendo have subsidiaries that engage in that type of exploitative practice.

  • @Cyrus_T_Laserpunch
    @Cyrus_T_Laserpunch Před měsícem +1

    I really wish Redfall was a success, Arkane is capable of making truly amazing games, or rather, was now that so many have left.

  • @Killroy1508
    @Killroy1508 Před měsícem +1

    45:44 that sync tho 😩

  • @terrancesweetman3298
    @terrancesweetman3298 Před měsícem

    Indie developers will always be there to save us from the corporate trash companys

  • @sherkecringemonger9872
    @sherkecringemonger9872 Před měsícem +1

    Banishers are ok
    Pretty mid combat
    Pretty mid setting(not a fan of all pillgrim vibe)
    Interesting moral choices
    Good voiceacting and overall story was interesting
    You can safely chek it

  • @terrancesweetman3298
    @terrancesweetman3298 Před měsícem

    Games are becoming cash grabs you can tell they don't care what the game looks like acts like they just want the big flow of cash when it comes out that's it it's sad games back in the day they actually care whT was released

  • @Desdemona-XI
    @Desdemona-XI Před měsícem +1

    Yo Remember me is tight. I reinstalled it not long ago. Such a good game

  • @felipebisi4145
    @felipebisi4145 Před měsícem

    Same as T Cain
    Caution and i add confort zone personally the greatest tragedy in gaming was Assassins creed succeeded so much
    Ubosoft lived on repeat for over a decade because of this other companies even copied that
    And now we have companie that live on recipe by recipe never challenge themselves just copy what worked and that is it
    And profit but that is in everything

  • @anonymusug727
    @anonymusug727 Před měsícem

    As long as the Game is taking , at least Chris Roberts was smart enough to not rely on stupid investors

  • @diviatuesday9269
    @diviatuesday9269 Před měsícem

    42:57 wait what? Nintendo? We talk about the same Nintendo here?

    • @TheChillzoneX
      @TheChillzoneX  Před měsícem +3

      Yeah. Nintendo is weird, it's like the company holds some of "the last vestiges" of original japanese digital properties - so they often make moves that are anti consumer, but they want their workers and the company to do well.
      They move in mysterious ways 😅

  • @Daman3tm
    @Daman3tm Před měsícem +1

    It's sad to say, but if you're not comfortable with not owning the games you've bought, then you're just ignorant. Digital storefronts like Steam do not sell games, you do not own the games you buy on Steam or other digital storefronts. You own a license to play a game, not the game itself, it's stated in the Terms of Agreement but nobody ever reads those.
    The only exception to this is GoG, any game you buy there you truly own.

    • @AwesomeNinjaXD
      @AwesomeNinjaXD Před měsícem

      Well, I wouldn't say "own". GOG still has the EULA agreement that you have to sign. The only difference is that with GOG, the game you play is always stored on your computer, and won't be removed, as well as being DRM-free. But obv, if you happen to like redownload the game while it's not supported, you still wouldn't be able to update it, and you'd still have to adhere to the rules of the EULA.

  • @raylenn4444
    @raylenn4444 Před měsícem

    I don't agree that you growth as a company HAS to result in you being publicly traded .
    You can very well see stable growth and living as a buisness WITHOUT the stock market and it's pesky investors.

    • @TheChillzoneX
      @TheChillzoneX  Před měsícem +1

      Fair. This has unfortunately been the attractive option for many Studio in last decades, who just now learned that it's just about as close to a stab in the back as possible

  • @lofilazy.
    @lofilazy. Před měsícem

    Just letting everyone know, you should play Pacific Drive if you haven't yet.

  • @hasturlegeekenjaune4522
    @hasturlegeekenjaune4522 Před měsícem

    FOR KARL !

  • @mrcalzon02
    @mrcalzon02 Před měsícem

    ROCK AND STONE

  • @user-qq1id7wg1q
    @user-qq1id7wg1q Před měsícem

    the actma'am knows nothing

  • @Wanderer3639
    @Wanderer3639 Před měsícem

    Regarding Fallout... it si arguably something good that Interplay sold Fallout to Bethesda... go research Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel that would have been the future of the franchise. There was even a sequels in the works until it was cancelled.

  • @abaddon7558
    @abaddon7558 Před měsícem

    To be totaly fair we should also look at how many indi games went nowhere or indi studios are closing each years

  • @DEADLOCK6666
    @DEADLOCK6666 Před měsícem

    First

  • @HellBrYnger
    @HellBrYnger Před měsícem

    never defend the investors. unsubbed.

  • @M4lkavian
    @M4lkavian Před měsícem +5

    >the act man
    wasn't he outed as a nonce?

    • @agentrexx
      @agentrexx Před měsícem +3

      when?

    • @mojomitts
      @mojomitts Před měsícem +1

      First I’m hearing about this.

    • @andoli1646
      @andoli1646 Před měsícem +3

      Probably thinking about the dude he was beefing with a few years ago

    • @alanhasmemes
      @alanhasmemes Před měsícem +4

      Source: dude trust me