Harley Dyna FXD, "EBC Copper Sintered" (Brake Pad Upgrade)!
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
- A simple ane effective way to improve braking force for not much money !
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Yes, the term "agricultural" springs to mind with a lot of older Harley stuff, lol. And colour me surprised at DOT5 being the fluid.
Amazing how much of an improvement good quality pads can make. The front caliper was definitely due for some love. Beautiful meticulous work as always Del and Penny. Friction material is a bit of a mysterious art. I remember the first ceramic clutch discs I put in a heavy truck. It was also the last.😁 Many thanks and safe riding to you both. ❤👍👍
Sure thing Rick, braking science is deep and extensive, but a simple route to good brakes is just to fit the best you can afford and keep them clean because dirty calipers can be a problem all on their own! Enjoy the rest of your week there, and thanks as ever for your kind words, D&Px
I have a '99 FXDL with 2 of those upfront.
It's a one finger front brake with the EBC HH, not at all spongy on stock lines.
I would be more
interested to see the pad wear on the FA200HH taken off the rear.
Also how the replacement FA200 try to bed in with the backing shims missing.
HD rear pads with backing shims £90.
EBC £32 but they are about 1.5mm out on the inside edge.
Piston side will usually sit flat but the inside will need to wear down a shed load to bed to the disc, not great if it's cutting away the disc to do it.
That's why the factory workshop manual is good.
Also the slide pin in the front bracket should be serviced at the same time so the brakes aren't spongy.
EDIT:. The rear caliper is incompatible with EBC FA200HH.
You will need to remove metal from the radius on the inside, about 1mm fixes it.
Get a Sharpie and cover the radius, drop the caliper on and wriggle it to mark where the metal needs to be removed.
Can be done with a small sanding drum on a rotary tool or a chainsaw file .
Pads on front remind me of the pads that go into the honda cb750 from 69/70s even held in by little screw on the fixed pad.nice job done tho
I was chatting with this guy over a cup of splosh about my bike at the Route 59 bikers cafe when I happened to mention upgrading my callipers to blue spot and to my surprise he had a complete bike for sale with these on and numerous other upgrades for a hundred quid minus the engine.
He kept saying putting the blue spots on with drastically improve your breaking marc.
Thought I would leave you with this verse from the good book reminded of the words at the start of the video.
There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under the heavens:
Ecclesiastes 3:3
Good to hear from you Marc, and yes it's great when you find a deal like that! Thank you for the verse, God bless, D&Px
Hi Del,
Question, doesn't the outer pad on the cylinderside need to be under tension of the springlip?
Keep up the good work man!
Like your video's! What did you or do you do for a livin? Just curious, because you seem to know a lot about bikes 😂.
Greetz from the Netherlands
Hope the pads do improve your brakes, I used them all the time on my bikes over standard pads and they definitely work better, the only down side is the discs tend to wear a bit quicker. Looking forward to your next video. Have a great week and see you Friday. 😊
Sure thing mate, a little more wear on the discs, but in theory with correct use of brakes, it should be minimal if the efficiency is improved, as you brake less and it's obviously a worthy trade off! Have a great rest of the week, ride safe!
Stop vs stopping… can make quite a difference 😊
I like dot 5 in purple. It just looks great. 😊
And its not as bloody hateful as dot4. Its a shame it's not interchangeable. I noticed watching tatro, most of his harley brake work is silicon. Be it complete new systems or a lot of existing repairs or overhauls. But not all. Anyway im just waffling now! Long and short , i like dot 5 if and when its doable. ( caviats at the ready ) 😂
Peas n loaf to you both ! ✌️ ❤️ 🤗
Good to hear from you brother, hope you're doing well there... Always good to hear from you, you have a great weekend, D&Px
Heh heh heh; 500 yrs ago, test riding a brand new 900 SS near Dorking, gently kissing the brakes ready for the first roundabout, I was then forced by abject terror to coast to a stop a.s.a.p just to check the pads WERE in the right way round . . . yep, fine & dandy.
The workshop read my face & burst out laughing before I even spoke - "Ah, you are no longer a sintered-pad virgin then, - noisy eh? - not bad once they bed in - white, one sugar?" : )xx
Ha ha.. that unmistakable "Skissssshh"
@@Moonfleet41 Scared the carp out of me - it swam off in disgust . . .
Yes sir they take the nominal Harley brakes and turn them into the next level. I don't care if they wear out quicker or wear out the rotor quicker, what is your life worth that is the question. Cheers keep them coming
My thoughts exactly.. max out the potential right?..
Hey buddy. I did a lot of self guided learning on calipers a while back so please accept this with a grain of salt. If you have a single piston caliper, let’s say the piston is 25mm diameter, then the area of that piston that is available for the brake fluid to exert force on would be 490mm2. If you changed to a multiple piston caliper with the same area, then the stopping force would actually be the same. Say the was 2 x 12.5mm diameter pistons for the sake of this post. Now… if you increased the effective area of the brake pistons, say 2 x 20mm diameter pistons, your caliper would be able to deliver more stopping force. HOWEVER, if you don’t change the brake master accordingly to match the increased piston area, your braking performance would actually get worse. You’re just not delivering enough pressure to the increased piston area with the stock master cylinder. Again, if someone smarter than me can explain better, no problem but I know this much, this is why Brembo sells different sized masters for those of us that upgrade our calipers.
Wise words indeed and very correct, something I've always said in response to the question of buying aftermarket 6 pot calipers, no use having them if you don't match the pump to push them... thanks for your input as always my friend.
Well done Del. Your attention to detail is spot on as usual.....Good video
Thanks Tom👍
Unusual front brake pads… never seen them round… I was wondering best pads, I see you prefer copper sinthered and for me on cars carbon metallic.. motorcycles… ?? Pulling trailers ?? I went for carbon fiber …. Fascinating front pads ! That I don’t see often., 😮.
Do you use same on your Goldwing??
Good project…
Awesome video brother! Yes indeed those brake pads are great, I have used that brand and it's always good ! Cant wait for the next video brother ! Keep up the great work ! Stay safe guys cheers from New York !!!🎉🎉🎉
Thanks Renzo 👍, we really appreciate your kind support, hope you both have a great weekend there in beautiful New York! D&Px
I need your help sir my iron 883 2016 won't start at all .
I have iron 883 2016
I was Changing my handlebars and when i plugged the controls i switch 1 wire from its place the pin should be on left i put it in right when i started the bike it gives me the closing sound then the security sys came on i pulled out the main vuse and got the key fop and then it quite . i repins it and fixed that wire it comes from the right control and it's 1 wire goes in that plug but now it won't start at all no security light too it's like dead . the vuse is good i chked it what could be wrong bcm ? Or there something else ? Now with all connected the bike is dead
Wonder how much of a Hall Effect that copper Pad generates against the steel disc. I also use Copper Pads on all my vehicles and have often wondered how the Hall effect helps in braking if it even is present at all.
How interesting.. ive never given it a thought, but im sure it's something that EBC could comment in..!
Aye, that bloomin nasty cast 'metal' a lot of manufacturers use is useless to try and repair, hats off for trying 👍
Nice video George, i put in front in my sporster iron xl883 n this EBC duble H breal pads but after 3000 Km the pads has whistle continuously if the wheel was turning, and they were not crammed with anything. I bought the original pads from Harley ones and the whistling has stopped !
Put a dab of copper grease on the rear of your pads. The noise is caused by vibration, and the copper grease stops/absorbs the vibration.
@@furiousjammin1985 I put a copper grease but nothing ... after 3000 km i change again the front pads with original and i clean all copper grease because the dust has sticks in pistons and destroys the break seals.
Thanks for your videos, you have saved me from shop time. Wich we all know is expensive.
It is indeed, Glad to help!
I noticed the aftermarket rear disc.
It’s too bad the factory discs are so ugly.
Stainless rotors were the first upgrade to my 05 FXD.
And no reflection on you sir, but those calipers are hideous.
Way different than mine, what year is your bike?
Aren't they just buddy, like something off an old truck! The bike is 1998 (but a 1999 model), but I think I've seen these calipers on 1970's Shovelheads, so perhaps they were just using them up lol
@@Moonfleet41 one of the first Twin Cams.
When are you gonna replace the exhaust pipes?
I’m running Vance & Hines Straight Shots on mine.
When I can afford them mate!
@@Moonfleet41 LOL !
I’ll tag you in my next video.
Nice, I use EBC HH on all my bikes, great stopping power. My Sportster has dual front brakes from factory though, that also helps a lot 😊
you have the Sportster S?
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Nice video Del & Penny. Excellent job mate, the older Harley brakes are a bit on the crap side, you have to make a calendar date to stop LOL. Penny and you enjoy the last part of your week. Cheers
That is indeed a calendar date!... specially on a Sunday lol Thanks for your kind as ever, keep safe and have a great weekend when it arrives! D&Px
Hope your HD breaks a lot better than before. I remember the old bikes and how terrible the brakes were. Quite a shock, although I had expected some wide eyes beforehand. But really using the 1990ies brakes was eye-opening ;-)
I got to change the brake discs on my old Honda CBR 600 RR, the floaters are worn. 20 years ago these brakes were class, now they're pretty mediocre. Maybe the new parts will change brake distances and feeling. Changed the rear tyre today, saw that one rear brake pad was pretty worn. But then one clip fell out and I couldn't guess the right way to install it. Have to look up the Honda service manual. Too many bikes to remenber all details ;-)
Wish I had such a royal shed like yours. All the best, Günter/Nürnberg
Quality pads them Dell. Fitted a set years ago to my GPZ750R and 900R, made a big difference. Loving that Hartley, liking the idea of a cruiser has I get older. 👍👍👍☺️☺️☺️
Sure thing mate, ive fitted them in everything from Kawasaki's to Harleys. and they consistently an mediate improvement.. and embrace the cruiser mate...it's not wrong to enjoy some comfort !
I think she would benefit from a braided hose upgrade too Del.
Nice work though mate.
Perhaps you skipped the end buddy.. i did say exactly that and 9:08
@Moonfleet41 I commented as I was watching, and then you said it lol. Great minds eh ?😁
The sheer thickness of everything on a HD compared to other makes.
Rear disc could do with replacing
Great video Del. Wise words. The video editing is always spot on.
Thanks buddy 👍, you're very kind, we're glad to hear you appreciate what we do! D&Px
Good upgrade talking of brakes rolled the zzr1100 rat bike out today rear brake need doing as been sat for 6months 😅 time to work on her ready for autumn
Good luck mate!
What about disc wear with sintered pads? Will the discs need replacing sooner than with stock? Or is it a case of better to need to replace the discs than your underwear?
Naturally, the laws of physics etc.. yes there will be slightly increased wear to the disc in return for the increased drag. but it's minimal and well worth the trade off.!
@@Moonfleet41 cool.
Great video, Del! I added EBC pads to my 2020 Street Twin based mainly on your recommendation. Love these videos! Ride safe!
Glad to hear it worked for you too mate.. they cost a little bit more, but it's well worth it for better braking efficiency ! Ride safe too mate and stay in touch.
Hi Penny and Del. Great video! Hard to believe single pot calipers in this day and age! Nice video and good service - looking forward to more to come. Take care, my friends. Be well and ride safe.
Sure thing buddy, not really this day and age though as this bike's 25yrs old!! But certainly makes you read the road a little better and think more about stopping lol Enjoy your week there, thanks for your kind support, D&Px
And you are the person that turned me onto that silicone rubber Lube a bunch of videos ago that compound really does the job
Splendidly done! 👌🏻
Thank you kindly!
Certainly the strangest setup I’ve ever seen. Great camera work. Enjoy you’re restful weekend both of you.
Thank you kindly mate, you have a lovely time with the family, D&Px
Do you normally rebuild the caliper when you replace pads?
If it needs it, and as you saw, this one did.!
The amount of money going into your workshop Del is a little scary with all the parts you buy. Should we be expecting to see you busking soon🤣
Indeed, we re-invest everything we get in to the projects to keep the videos rolling, and there isn't a maintenance job we do which isn't necessary!
I love this! THX from Sweden
I simply love your channel Delboy 👍 I watch and learn evertime You are a true Master Class CZcams is all the better for the content and entertainment you provide 👌
Thank you for your kind words.
Definitely a worth while upgrade put a set in my bike sometime ago.👍🏻
Totally agree!
Dot 5???? Not 5.1???
DOT 5 indeed, silicone fluid!
Talk about Fred Fredstone brakes.. amazing HD thought that was ok
Nicely done, Del. These will probably give you a nice bump up in performance. Will they be quieter as well? Hope you both are doing well there!
🏍👍🏍
Sadly not quieter buddy.. if anything they are a little noisier.. make a kind of "skisshh" sound.. but i recon if you can hear them then your exhaust needs some short shots ! lol!
@@Moonfleet41 ok gotcha! Yes on the pipes! 😎
This bike begs for t-bars and a more modern seat. 😀 Nah, it’s your bike, make it your way. Great video as always.
Not a fan myself, same as Saddlemen style seats...I'm a bit older than today's crop of "Dyna dudes" lol.. in practical terms they block the view of the clocks.. and for me i still prefer good old fashioned Ape Hangers !
@@Moonfleet41 Ooh, I could really imagine some nice apes on this bike.
Thanks for this Del, I have a 97 Softail Springer and should probably do the same!
Definitly Harold.. they're make a big difference ! Good to hear from you always !
A great bit of maintenance well deserved.
Happy days