Jordan Peterson On Carl Jung
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Professor of psychology Dr. Jordan B Peterson talks about Carl Jung and the ideas he presented.
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I love hearing him talking about Jung and Nietzsche. The admiration for them that he has, and well deserved obviously.
Carl Jung was not only a fascinating person but also someone you can't help getting too much connected to when you read his works. Some of his videos on CZcams and also his written works, all these makes you somehow so aligned and connected that you can't stop admiring him.
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If you think Jung & Freud were wrong just go on a psychedelic trip & see for yourself how amazing their minds & insights truly were.
When I was 15 or 16 I picked a book out of the public library by Jung. I cannot remember the title - a wiki search doesn't bring up anything definite. I was completely baffled by all the references to Goethe & various Greek mythological figures but was aware I was reading something by someone of great intelligence & understanding, so struggled through. It was a very long book (as I remember). One phrase that stuck with me, possibly because of its weird poetic quality, was " the polymorphous perverse sexuality of the infant".
There was a lot of stuff about our dual male/female psyches & dreaming of lakes representing the unconscious. I'd love to know the name of the book.
Might be "The Integration Of Personality"
Possibly The Archetypes & the Collective Unconscious?
That sounds right! Many thanks. Couldn't find it in his list of books - but it's a huge list. I'll see if I can track it down.
timwins31 what books would you recommend for someone trying to get into Jung?
I also tried on of his books and didn’t understand a word lol
@@kevinc721 Try - Jung Map of the Soul - Murray Stein
Man I’m in the wrong major. I realized this when delving int psycholinguistics and finding out about Carl Jung and his work with archetypes and how the mind makes connections even with simple words that reveal our train of thought. Really fascinating but I wish I went through it via the psychological path instead of the linguistics one. I really want to learn more about this. Any suggestions on what I should read?
In regards to your major, I think linguistics may be well suited to you. Psychology is great, but a lot of the study at university is on it's practical application and relies heavily on research and statistics (majority of people who actually finish the degree are going into clinical psychology). Hence many people start it, and then drop it because it's 'not what they expected'. I imagine with linguistics you get to look at the meaning behind things and delve into their value more with freedom.
Oh thank you. I’ve read only two of these books so i’ve got a long journey ahead of me. I’m really intruigued about Carl jung since I heard about him and the maps of meaning through a linguistic assignment I had last year. Have you read these books yet? What do you think? Peterson must get asked the question I posted a lot fr him to have built a website about it lol
@Empryas you might be right about that. I enjoy the linguistic side quite a bit; I just don’t like some of the things I have to learn like syntax but I enjoy semantics, pragmatics, semiotics, the occasional logic is not bad also because it can get interesting once you learn the rules of exponentials, truth values etc. I guess I just enjoy the search for meaning that psychology gets to which is why I’m gonna read these books this year. I find the psychologist perspective to be insightful
That’s awesome; hopefully we will find something positive from all this. Actually I recently read Nonviolent communication by Marshall B. Rosenberg and I feel like it has given me a positive outlook on human psychology. It’s a interesting book that delves into the reasons people have arguments and ways to avoid them. It’s all about giving and receiving compassion.
@timwins31 I guess so. I’ve been enjoying my classes more lately though. Still been trying to read the Peterson book list, so far I read through 1984. I think I just don’t like some types of linguistics studies just like some psychology majors might not like some types of psychology.
Vivid dreamer Jung read the 7 Hermetic principles in his teen. The first principle states that the "universe is mental". That made Jung join the emerging field of psychology. He embraced occult rituals to invoke things in the real neumonic world, which he thought connects with the unconscious, only when the consciousness is turned off (REM sleep, DMT, Magic shrooms). Jung went through terrible mental turmoil (self induced psychosis) between 1912-1916. Jung would close his eyes- and if any mental pictures/ephermal figurines appears to him, he would adamantly pursue them saying,"I won't let you go until you reveal your idenity and explain to me why you have appeared in my imagination". Who does that? NOW, that was "active imgination"- Jung's source of fact-bearing scientific cognition (with an epistemology of a objectivity averse mystic). Doctor was sick himself. Wonder how come Jung could not win a lottery by using his active imagination technique?
I read his Redbook last year. The self induced psychosis by Jung turned him into a crackpot who cultivated the crop of hokums embedded in the hermetic occult. Evidently, Jung was not into any "-logy", he was into a typical mystic's "-ism".
Jordan Peterson is worth listening 80% of the times even when he reduces biblical stories to wisdom bearing meta stories. But god and Jung must be kept out of a clinical "-logy".
I completely lucid dream everytime. Im not educated enough to completely analyze my dreams but, i dream and think in concepts. This separates my monster from my better self. Therefore, im usually able to see the better path. I dont think jung was a complete occultist. Jung in my opinion, by conceptual thought, was a expert analyst.
Piaget dos the same ? Although In different Points? Can someone explains whats Piaget did as Jung?
I often listen to you Jordan and am impressed by your intelligence and passion. But I'm mystified by the fact that you don't mention in a lecture about Carl Jung that he was steeped in the occult, and had a spirit guide he called Philemon whom he claimed gave him crucial insights. His moral character was questionable too as he conducted affairs with some of his clients. The world seems to almost worship him and yet, though his reasoning sounds good, much of it is derived from the spirit world. What part of what he says is true and what part not true. As the serpent said to Eve, you shalt not surely die.
His affairs have almost nothing to do what he contributed to the world of psychoanalysis. Yes, inappropriate to some extent but just because he slept with some of his patients doesn’t then argue his findings were incorrect. Freud had mommy issues & had his daughter explain to him her explicit sexual fantasies but does that make his work on childhood trauma, the unconscious, & ego less valid ?? No of course not so it’s the same Jung. Also besides his affairs for his character wise people claimed him to be a caring, laid back, charming, & was present with his patients. It’s like people can’t make mistakes in their life.
His visualization techniques. Is something that was taken from the occult.
2:06 Is that true? I thought Jung said the archetypical dreams are precisely unique to the individual, it's just that one has to consider that the images are shared by the collective, but their meaning is unique to the situation of the individual. So you can't use the archetypes as you use dream books which already have predetermined interpretations, after all it is a dream analysis which takes the time of the analyst and the dreamer to find the relation of the archetypes to the dreamer.
I'm not sure myself. I remember that Jung thought that one's dreams held meaning for that particular individual. So predetermined interpretations are very much biased. I don't fully understand the concept of archetypes, because I fail to determine if archetypes have to do with a collective unconscious which is shared between people, or if the collective unconscious refers to a set amount of psychological backround everyone has access to individually.
What I can say is that I used to dream of the shadow archetype when I was in my teenage years, even though I hadn't read Jung yet and knew nothing about archetypes. I also know that Peterson tends to think that therapy implies that one must find his very own solutions to his very own problems. Maybe what Peterson means is that archetypical dreams are too broad, too archaic to connect with one's daily problems. It's just too archaic, too rooted in the depths of the psychological realm and thus cannot easily be related with day to day life.
Archetypes can't be observed, they are just like patterns in human psyche universally that's why there's really no specific symbolic image for them but they are structures, for example one of the archetypal symbols is 'the shadow' this is like the dark nature or creature in our dreams, so that's the structure but it depends on you personally on how your personal unconscious mind will create the symbol or image for this structure or archetype.
Do we need Wilhelm Reich to fix the puzzle? Also a student of Freud.
What was the zenith of Nietzche's genius?
I think The Gay Science. Aforism n. 125
Stealer of ideas can not be compared with person who are idea generators.... Can you...
You just borrow a concept... But borrowed none the less... And then you try to put your name on it.. That was Babylon the Egypt... Before you.. Today... Its you..
Don't try to teach me....
Jeremiah 17:9-10
King James Version
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
This is the only scripture you need to know, and realize it's psychology is a fraud.
The dreams you're talking about a demonic. They coming from a spiritual world that you want no part of.
Lost me at people don’t dream in reference to openness. Knows nothing of the biology of dreaming.
I've heard my anatomy teacher mention something like this off-handedly; that there's a simple biological explanation for dreaming. I never looked into it, but I always wondered how it's possible to be certain. Can you explain it?
Hi Matt, I recommend googling red beans , melontoinin, low carb diet and effects on dreaming.
Ignorance is not bliss
What’s the biology behind dreams?
"Jordan Peterson on non scientific speculations".
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He holds himself in very high regard. A little embarrassing to watch.
For you yes not me.
What the hell are you talking about?
You are a mindless simpleton