BigTech: $250k of Persistent Memory w/Allyn

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Komentáře • 104

  • @handspiker1994
    @handspiker1994 Před 2 lety +129

    If Allyn is from Intel, they need to send him more often! He was a very refreshing as a PR person that actually seems excited about the tech.

    • @dylansmith9215
      @dylansmith9215 Před 2 lety +23

      The glory days were when Allen would do deep dive reviews of drivers for PCPer

    • @youllnevertakemealive2833
      @youllnevertakemealive2833 Před 2 lety +14

      @@dylansmith9215 "deep dive," in this case, being insufficient to describe how obsessively detailed those pieces were.

    • @morosis82
      @morosis82 Před 2 lety +10

      Yeah, Allyn isn't a PR guy, but for Wendell he'll turn up with gear and geek out. This guy knows his stuff more than almost anyone else on the planet when it comes to storage.

    • @acasccseea4434
      @acasccseea4434 Před 2 lety +1

      i'm interested in allyn's official intel title.
      bug tester?

    • @malventano
      @malventano Před 2 lety +4

      @@acasccseea4434 Storage Technical Analyst.

  • @TechTechPotato
    @TechTechPotato Před 2 lety +26

    I'll take two. Seems tasty.

    • @user-pj6oc5gy2q
      @user-pj6oc5gy2q Před 2 lety +6

      this man cannot be stopped. DO NOT EAT THE SILICON.

  • @IAmPattycakes
    @IAmPattycakes Před 2 lety +31

    Allyn is as well spoken as a great PR rep, talking about stuff with the depth of knowledge of a senior engineer at Intel. Serious props, this was great to watch.

  • @Devilman666
    @Devilman666 Před 2 lety +26

    Omg it's Allyn! I always loved his in depth knowledge about storage and memory and I remember this one story he told about being in a submarine and having to fix something before they got caught being somewhere they weren't supposed to be.

  • @robertbernecky4103
    @robertbernecky4103 Před 2 lety +16

    14:23 - In APL and J, we use memory-mapped I/O a lot. That lets us write clean, elegant algorithms that that have NO I/O, so we get superb performance and the mathematics is not hidden behind all that memory clutter. Several days of your basic database work turn into ten minutes of simple code that you can explain to your colleague when playing You Bet Your Company.

  • @GregReavis
    @GregReavis Před 2 lety +19

    This is mad science of insanity. "I'm just gonna yeet 100GB in a second and see what happens. Oops the computer got scared acted weird."

  • @unclerubo
    @unclerubo Před 2 lety +13

    I always love these nerd chats, even if they talk about stuff that is completely out of my reach.

  • @andrewspafford9602
    @andrewspafford9602 Před 2 lety +2

    I'm gonna be straight with you Wendell. This may be the next level content on this channel. I'm getting some serious "Jay Leno's garage" vibes from this video. 1 You bring in an interesting computer
    2 have a passionate conversation about it and get into the details
    3 You say "Can we take it for a spin" and do something fun with it.

  • @norberto325
    @norberto325 Před 2 lety +8

    Nice to see you Allyn, excellent stuff as always.

  • @ArcadiyIvanov
    @ArcadiyIvanov Před 2 lety +8

    "Not worried to be losing data". Even with "persistent storage" we're doing RAID etc to provide redundancy. Are we going to do PRAM RAID now? :D

  • @nextlifeonearth
    @nextlifeonearth Před 2 lety +12

    Would be interesting if the CPU had non volatile cache or a mirror of it so if you pull out the power cable and plug it back in it continues right where it left off in a millisecond.

    • @GeekProdigyGuy
      @GeekProdigyGuy Před 2 lety

      it's impossible to have a perfect 1:1 non volatile cache, at least with current technology. L1 cache access is in the 1ns range, and registers are sub-nanosecond... they would've been written to a thousand times over before you could sync to optane pmem.

  • @TrueRegulators
    @TrueRegulators Před 2 lety +5

    Back in the day when Allyn was still at PCPer and reviewed the first optane products, he helped me pick optane disks as swap for plain old kvm hypervisors. It basically made our memory pool for virtualization about 3x in usable size with overcommitment in runtime state. Imagine the savings comparing optane SSDs to the same capacity of RAM...
    please invite him more often!

  • @aaronjackson1143
    @aaronjackson1143 Před 2 lety +1

    I really liked this episode. Allyn was def a treat to watch as he appears to be genuine in his love for tech nerd deep dives.

  • @SirCrest
    @SirCrest Před 2 lety

    Always great to hear from Allyn. Thanks for bringing him on for a few videos.

  • @tonnylins
    @tonnylins Před 2 lety +1

    Finally! That is what I've been expecting to happen since optane was first announced! It's very exciting!

  • @LampJustin
    @LampJustin Před 2 lety +4

    Just awesome! ^^ Thanks Wendell and Allyn!

  • @prodeous
    @prodeous Před 2 lety +2

    Another awesome storage chat. Eager for the next.

  • @danielsmith6834
    @danielsmith6834 Před 2 lety +1

    The conversation about NUMA and cache migration/copying reminded me of the Extreme Black Magic involved in the SGI Altix systems I used to admin. Maintaining cache coherency across multiple rack cabinets is terrifying and amazing when you dive deep enough down the rabbit hole.

  • @Kurukx
    @Kurukx Před 2 lety +8

    Allyn always comes baring gifts :) Great stream.

  • @Nobe_Oddy
    @Nobe_Oddy Před 2 lety

    that was HELLA INSIGHTFUL!!! I have never given much thought to computing on this level, and it really is bonkers!!! THANK YOU FOR THIS!!!

  • @MemeScreen
    @MemeScreen Před 2 lety +4

    We need more Allyn!

  • @bellshooter
    @bellshooter Před 2 lety +3

    Great Stream, love Allyn..

  • @gromett
    @gromett Před 2 lety

    That was brilliant. Thank you.

  • @madf00bar15
    @madf00bar15 Před 2 lety

    Thanks Wendel, this is the good stuff!

  • @fist003
    @fist003 Před 2 lety

    i understand like 1% of the topic, but i do enjoy the conversation. keep em coming

  • @Ziggurat1
    @Ziggurat1 Před 2 lety

    I saw Allyn in the thumbnail and had to click, for the PCPer nostalgia sound of his voice

  • @dikbozo
    @dikbozo Před 2 lety +1

    fun chat indeed. love a good nerdfest. hail to the king, baby.

  • @ajslim79
    @ajslim79 Před 2 lety

    STILL waitung on that "sound test" we were promised

  • @fukananner
    @fukananner Před 2 lety

    And I was excited about a new 1t gen 4 m.2

  • @abavariannormiepleb9470
    @abavariannormiepleb9470 Před 2 lety +2

    Maybe a stupid question regarding client SSDs with DRAM but no powerloss protection: If you power the SSDs not just with the computer‘s PSU but use small powerbanks for 5V and 12 V, would this add functioning powerloss protection?

  • @jaredeh2
    @jaredeh2 Před 2 lety +1

    Pmem isn't a free lunch. CPU's have several levels of caches and write buffers that have the same basic role and semantics. Yes. When you write to pmem it doesn't actually get to the media unless you use the special flush instructions. So you end up doing the exact same crazy stuff done for filesystems for you pmem where you write unsynced and then flush at critical checkpoints.
    In that respect it's the same as even the client SSDs.

  • @Panhead49EL
    @Panhead49EL Před 2 lety

    Father Wendell. In the thumbnail I thought Wendell was wearing a priest collar.
    And woo hoo, Columbus is getting an Intel fab!

  • @abavariannormiepleb9470
    @abavariannormiepleb9470 Před 2 lety +1

    Yeah, if someone breaks in, rips all of them cables and Optane P5800Xs out but leaves the Xeon platform completely alone I wouldn‘t know at all who might have done it…🙃

  • @ShaneMcGrath.
    @ShaneMcGrath. Před 2 lety +1

    Wendell, Allyn, Storage, I'm in!

  • @monchiabbad
    @monchiabbad Před 2 lety

    I wanted to hear the full power of deathstar on the table, you should have spun it up.

  • @goodiezgrigis
    @goodiezgrigis Před 2 lety

    Wendell going towards server rack...
    ...servers sweating profusely.
    CES? What CES? This was just 🤗

  • @SpuriousECG
    @SpuriousECG Před 2 lety

    Awesome server and talk!

  • @kevinmaison9403
    @kevinmaison9403 Před 2 lety

    RIP Optane: 2017 - 2022

  • @trumanhw
    @trumanhw Před 2 lety

    I don't quite get the interest in the Samsung MZ-1LV9600 ... kinda old news (on a 2022 video) ..?
    But these guys know this subject better than I (by far) so I assume I'm who's missing something... but what..?

  • @LA-MJ
    @LA-MJ Před 2 lety

    What a wholesome video

  • @declanmcardle
    @declanmcardle Před 2 lety

    @3:00 Only Oracle? HANA!

  • @mianderson86
    @mianderson86 Před 2 lety +2

    I see Allyn, I know its going to be insane and cost a ton! Lol great video!

  • @isbestlizard
    @isbestlizard Před 2 lety +2

    Wow a whole 88 lanes? And you only need two processors? *laughs in Epyc*

  • @b2bb
    @b2bb Před 2 lety

    Level1 mini-CES, I'll take that
    and you'll take my _engagement_

  • @ProjectSmithTech
    @ProjectSmithTech Před 2 lety

    Around 2 years ago Linus dropped a 10k CPU. Today I have a system with two Intel Xeon platinum p-8124 cpu's. In four year if I'm not playing minecraft Java edition in Linux mint on equivalent to this system I'll be very disappointed in myself.

  • @brianmccullough4578
    @brianmccullough4578 Před 2 lety

    I want this in my homelab!!!!!!

  • @MiniArts159
    @MiniArts159 Před 2 lety

    I think Allyn can single-handedly go against all of the bad press Intel has gotten over the last decade

  • @ishmaelmusgrave
    @ishmaelmusgrave Před 2 lety +1

    Excuse me, can I shout out to the Editor, for handy little on screen definitions of the causal jargon terms please? Thank you

  • @A1OFFENDER
    @A1OFFENDER Před 2 lety

    Great video guys :)

  • @vzxvzvcxasd7109
    @vzxvzvcxasd7109 Před 2 lety +2

    Still a pcper fan,
    It's a half drunk ramble about tech every week over there

    • @ChrispyNut
      @ChrispyNut Před 2 lety

      I'm checking them out again now. Didn't like Jim at all, but he seems to have left, so maybe I can binge and re-sub :-D

  • @ChrispyNut
    @ChrispyNut Před 2 lety +1

  • @rimonmikhael
    @rimonmikhael Před 2 lety

    Remind me of the riovista from long ago

  • @marcogenovesi8570
    @marcogenovesi8570 Před 2 lety +2

    Yes, bring Wendell the CES

  • @benjamintrathen6119
    @benjamintrathen6119 Před 2 lety

    YAY!!

  • @DaniEtter
    @DaniEtter Před 2 lety

    Lovely people with lovely hardware.

  • @uss_liberty_incident
    @uss_liberty_incident Před 2 lety

    Holy schnikeys that's a pricey server. Enterprise hardware costs always blow my mind. You could have so many Chrome tabs with all that RAM.

  • @pankothompson5903
    @pankothompson5903 Před 2 lety

    finaly proper Anime storage

  • @abavariannormiepleb9470

    Can you use these second-gen Optane DIMMs on AMD platforms? 🙃

  • @Kattakam
    @Kattakam Před 2 lety

    Love it!

  • @EthelbertCoyote
    @EthelbertCoyote Před 2 lety +1

    Does this break the Von Neumann architecture requiring different compilers as storage is really memory and data? Couldn't your data and instruction memory be the same thing? Just curious likely I am not understanding it.

    • @malventano
      @malventano Před 2 lety +1

      Lots of changes need to happen to get to what you’re describing. We might be there today if PMEM tech came about say 20 years ago.

  • @efx245precor3
    @efx245precor3 Před 2 lety

    Core baby

  • @Stoney_Eagle
    @Stoney_Eagle Před 2 lety

    Come on.. Turn it on and show some benchmarks and real life performance 🥺🥺

  • @nos676
    @nos676 Před 2 lety

    so.. I should continue using my 16 core X299 system then. :)

  •  Před 2 lety

    They are 3 bin´s higher, ie 300 mhz. I´m like what you count 100 hz as one bin lol.

  • @vzxvzvcxasd7109
    @vzxvzvcxasd7109 Před 2 lety +2

    Is allyn gonna put this into his Tesla?

    • @malventano
      @malventano Před 2 lety +1

      Technically it was (I had to get it there somehow :) )

    • @ChrispyNut
      @ChrispyNut Před 2 lety +1

      @@malventano Why didn't you "travel by telecom rack"? Is PMem too delicate or were you afraid of ending up in LMG Studios?
      Referencing this BTW (When Wendell helped Gamers Nexus build a new NAS): czcams.com/video/Hix0l8cFaMw/video.html (this is the punchline of a 2min joke)

  • @gh8447
    @gh8447 Před 2 lety

    250K you say? I'll have three.

  • @jakobfindlay4136
    @jakobfindlay4136 Před 2 lety

    I looked I couldn't find any, can some one smarter then me make a sata power loss protection adapter for drives without the caps internally?

  • @Lindholmer5k
    @Lindholmer5k Před 2 lety

    Server? Dont even know what i would use one for. Do i need it? YES :D

  • @christopherjackson2157
    @christopherjackson2157 Před 2 lety +3

    I like when you have allyn on :)

  • @tshev
    @tshev Před 2 lety

    Why do you need this kind of a server? It is useless for OLAP because 4TB is almost nothing in terms of disk space. It might be a valid platform choice for a search engine, in-memory queue or an OLTP workload, but why do you need these servers unless they are not so expensive? It feels like you still need checksums because even ECC memory fails when you have 100k machines.

  • @spiralout112
    @spiralout112 Před 2 lety

    That's a lot of cake

  • @magfal
    @magfal Před 2 lety

    Memhive seems like a good day 1 use of pmem

  • @notsure984
    @notsure984 Před 2 lety

    Fuck, that shit neat dude.

  • @Gunni1972
    @Gunni1972 Před 2 lety

    So, i want to download the interweebs. This is the tool i need? And yes, i'm dumb.

  • @TheRealMrRoboto
    @TheRealMrRoboto Před 2 lety

    Allyn is worth Gold Good sir.

  • @IM_A_BEAR_LOL
    @IM_A_BEAR_LOL Před 2 lety +1

    Who are you calling a retimer?

  • @royalrepublican3480
    @royalrepublican3480 Před 2 lety

    i wanted to hear the fans scream

  • @davidjohansson1416
    @davidjohansson1416 Před 2 lety

    Luckily LTT is not there to drop it. :)

  • @RaverDK
    @RaverDK Před 2 lety

    *claps*

  • @liaminwales
    @liaminwales Před 2 lety

    woop

  • @MarkRose1337
    @MarkRose1337 Před 2 lety

    This is like a Netflix edge server.

  • @trumanhw
    @trumanhw Před 2 lety

    But wait -- really .. ? In "10 years this won't be a couple grand on eBay" ..?
    I'm skeptical of that. Highly in fact. I think tha'ts exactly what it'll be by then. (at most)

  • @ilov3mus1cx3
    @ilov3mus1cx3 Před 2 lety

    pleb tier developer here: so I basically I don´t need Redis with p mem?

  • @kortaffel
    @kortaffel Před 2 lety

    Can this thing run a minecraft server?

  • @mikec1341
    @mikec1341 Před 2 lety

    Sadly, I think it's time to pull the plug on this channel. Between the recent video discussing the pope and pets to this one talking about hardware fantasies at a time when I cannot get mainstream memory, I don't see the relevance of the channel anymore. I'm not even sure who this channel is for anymore and I've been in IT since the 70s. Best of luck in the future.

  • @jonathan3917
    @jonathan3917 Před 2 lety

    Wendel do you work at Intel too? You always joke that you're janitorial but you are knowledgeable, I wonder what you do professionally.