Talk about haters gonna hate... If your a long time subscriber you would already know that Shane knows all about Kodi & Plex. And at no point did he suggest to anyone that you should should stop using Plex or Kodi immediately, stop using your NAS etc... He just sharing with us what he's using. I just appreciate him showing an alternate solution. I like the Zappiti client aspect of this as well. Keep up the great work Shane!!!!!! Love the content!!!!!
Shane, good follow-up! The Zappiti NAS isn't for everyone and thought I would add some things that weren't covered... it only makes complete bit for bit ISO of everything on the disc and does so using both AnyDVD AND MakeMKV Has on board m.2 for cache Uses RAID 5, ONLY 1 disc redundancy (can only lose one HDD of the 8). So if using (8) 16tb HDD, you have 112tb of space. The Ironwolf Pro will be releasing the 18tb HDD shortly and maybe the 16tb will come down in price a little, or perhaps the 14tb will... In comparison to the Kaleidescape Terra, it maxes out at 40tb with also 1 HDD redundancy, and backs up to their server. I can't imagine the cost, let alone adding a player like the Stratos... In another video Shane interviews with Zappiti/France developer Raphael Tabutin that states the USB ports can not be used to attach/copy from external HDD. This was done to prevent viruses. So you need to have a stable network and factor in things such as your bus speed of your PC when transferring previous movies. The Zappiti NAS can copy simultaneous 4 UHD's BUT only using their external drives (3). Blu-ray can be done using any external optical drive... Lastly, I might add that after backing up 7 entire disc UHD movies I went through 340gb. You WILL burn through a lot of HDD space and this is where the Zappiti NAS shines... I've not made the plunge, but am close and have spent many emails to Raphael getting this info directly from him...
Kaleidescape Terra doesn’t have redundancy, only the older Premiere lineup did. Since Encore (Terra and Strato) content is only digitally purchased (from K) all purchases can be restored in the event of a hard drive failure and is the reasoning behind no raid.
I agree with you 100%. This is convenient yet not practical and way too much money for a simple task. I am a big fan of Oppo and Zappiti. From Zappiti I do own The Zappiti Pro 4K HDR , Zappiti One SE 4K HDR. What I don't like about Zappiti is their Android Versions. They are way behind and you will never ever will have the latest Android OS. This applies same towards Dune too - I have their Dune Max Vision 4K, still the same. This effect me in many ways. Also Zappiti , it has lots of issues when you are trying to sync your account across multiple Zappiti devices. I also agree with lots of people in here - This product is GREAT, I mean Zappiti NAS ripper. Having said so, I do agree with many in here. I do have above mentioned products plus the Panasonic 9000. I consider above are top range high-end Audio and Video products. Yet this NAS ripper by Zappiti is way over-priced in my opinion for LIMITED FEATURES. I am a slave for high-end AV products as you can get the best out of your contents. Their NAS Ripper is something that I wouldn't consider. Like many have mentioned here, there are way too many options to have 1 to 1 ripping with lossless AV. My above motioned products runs across my house by ripping them to a NAS, ( I made my own NAS ). I run 700 TB NAS at the moment that I am posting this - and I use like couple of '' Media-bridge 8bay's enclosures connected to my OPPO UDP-205 and and my Zappiti Pro 4K HDR ( Fast transfer USB C to USB 3.0 ). Via these I have interconnected and synced across my house and my main Home-Theater room. All I use is a couple of Media-bridge 8 Bays, Make MKV. I use Zappiti, their Film user interface , Kodi. Oh, I do have couple of Nvidia Shield TV Pro's - which I use them for streaming Apps. Like many others have mentioned here, you still can get near fantastic decent quality AV from NVIDIA too. You really don't need any of my above mentioned items either. With a low budget you still can have an amazing home theater too. This Zappiti NAS is great, great convenience, far from being particle. If you are willing to work a bit You can have an amazing film hall with bit spent. Make MKV gives you full bit to bit AV. I hope @SpareChange will do a full in-depth review of upcoming Zappiti Reference Series ( Player ). Cheers.
It's a interesting video. awesome to see the process. They are clearly marketing this to high end users. They know some people will spend extra money for the convenience of the product. I'll admit that rolling back the firmware on my bluray drive and it is faster that make mkv by about 30 min. They make enough money off each unit to set it at that price so good for them. Surprised that anyone paying this much just wouldn't be more satisfied with streaming. I will say even if they cut the price in half I would still go with Plex over that
It's a nice turnkey product for sure. I thought about getting one a few years ago, but if you are someone with a huge (and growing) collection, who religiously stores all physical media online in full iso formats like I do, the initial cost and inevitable ongoing drive expansion cost is not worth it in my view. I opted to create my own ( fairly turn-key) setup with an older laptop and three UHD burners that rip about 3 discs in about 1.5hours. My storage is a 10-bay NAS running two raid 0 5-bay sets, which are faster reads than raid 5. If you have a vast online collection or is steadily growing, I would not recommend relying on raid 5 as your only backup. Mine auto-backs up to two inexpensive 5 bay USB enclosures that can be fully restored in less than a day via USB 3. I have been a long fan of Zappiti and own a couple of their players and love them. Great for binge-watching :) However, with a little sweat equity, you can get much more for much much less .
I am in your case exactly, could you give some hardware shopping list? what nas, hdd, burners and also what software suite to perform the iso extract and then, how do you read the iso file ?
Nice review. I’ve got a complete zappiti setup, with the NAS, cinema pro, one and mini. It all works great, I still use mkv on occasions as the nas does use loads more storage. A few points were noting: 1) The movie wall is much quicker using the nasrip than any other standalone nas - probably twice as fast. 2) forced subtitles rip fine on Blu Ray but not on 4k - these are ones I specifically use mkv for if I know they have forced subs in the film. 3) VC-1 files playback perfectly through the nasrip and zappiti, whereas they stutter on mkv rips. Overall I’m really pleased with it, it’s simple to use and has been rock solid reliable for the few months I’ve owned it. P.S The cinema pro edition is absolutely stunning!
Loving the Zappiti NAS right now. I’ve had it for a week and have been adding media when I can. Word to the wise: edit your media (if needed) say after every 20 discs. Do not let this task get away from you! You should see how this thing is sorting my Star Trek TNG box set...ITS SO BEAUTIFUL!
Info such as aspect ratio are set at default. For Blu-ray Disc, they default to Dolby 5.1. Also if you want to add a show to a category, this would the time.
Holy Molly $3500 and no HD! I have less maybe $1500 in my setup to rip and store my 4k movies. I have a synology 918+ filled with 4 WD 10tb HD that I shucked. Play all my movies with a Nvidia shield 2019 via plex. This might be worth it to an average user if indeed it worked 100% of the time. All of us that rip already know that's never gonna be the case. Still this is kinda neat and the first I've ever seen!
Here's the thing though..... if you want to set up a proper NAS yourself then it's actually really expensive. Even using free software like FreeNAS you still need a metric ton of hard drives, especially if you are wripping 4k content, and you cannot go for the cheap stuff. You need error correcting memory, and you need drives that even though they need not be enterprise drives they do need to be designed for use in a NAS like the WD REDs that cost around $300 each for the 10TB versions. Last I checked I'd have to pay around 4-5k to make my own NAS, and on top of that ripping is a problem as getting players that can rip 4K content is still not trivial (unless something new has come along). Add to this that it's difficult to find a player that plays back ISOs then this becomes a feasible alternative. I really hate all of the hoops I have to jump through just to back up physical media that I have purchased. It is what it is. I'd much prefer having a computer that does everything (gaming, movies, the works) but it seems like the industry has us squarely locked in these kinds of proprietary solutions in an attempt to battle piracy. We're the ones who keep getting screwed.
Awesome product no doubt. My concern is the price. I mean I get that you pay for plug and play. I love my Zappiti Neo (and loved my Pro 4K HDR before that), I dont mind paying abit extra for UI and stuff that just works. However....if you look at the U-NAS 810 case you can see its exactly the same case (without the UHD drive). You can get a U-NAS 810P for 499 USD (or just the case and add top components yourself). Add another 100 for a UHD Friendly optical drive and you end up paying 3000 USD for not downloading FreeNAS or U-NAS Operating system and installing. Am I missing something??
As much as I admire the convenience of one of these you have to ask yourself is avoiding the 'work' of occasionally popping a disc into a blu-ray player really worth $4500 🤷♂️ I don't think so. Especially since it takes me about 20 seconds from shelf to playing in my setup. I would have to watch that disc at least 45 times to make this 'time-saving' versus the 15-20 minutes to rip the disc. I guess this is for people who have hit a complete upgrade wall and can't think of anything else to add to their home theatre.
You are of course absolutely right. The reason I use a NAS is that I can have all my disks in storage rather than on my wall (I like clean walls) and for backup. The last is not to be understated. With that said, ripping films is a hassle and the movie industry is hell bent on making it as hard as they legally can.
Hi Shane, your video is perfect and show me some ideas. As I have a Synology big NAS could be possible use some solution like Zappiti NaS to rip my collection (music videos in DVD and Blu Ray)? Or the solution is very complicated to do and best way should be to buy a Zappiti solution? Do you know what is the software to rip used by it? Thank you
very cool you just stick in the disc and it does all the work but wow thats a crazy price for sure. If you know how to do it, just rip your own. but yeah its a hassle for saving time
I was wondering why this seemed so similar to the MyMovies approach... Turns out the Zappiti approach is modelled on the MyMovies approach and even licences the MyMovies metadata! I really wish they would port the backend for MyMovies to sit on FreeNAS, and an updated front end that's maybe a bit more platform-agnostic. Sort of like taking the best bits of Plex but improving it with the collection management, auto-ripping, bit-for-bit disc copies and so forth.
As of March 1, 2022, Zappiti is not allowed to sell the NAS in the USA due to copyright laws. These are outdated and irrelevant copyright laws. The USA is the only country in which this applies.
So what’s the deal with doing this vs a few years ago when music that was ripped to PC’s was considered ‘stolen’? What is stopping people going to any store or a library, ripping it and returning the disk?
You have a right to backup anything that you have purchased (morally and legally). These anti-piracy measures only hurt legal customers. You are the one who is region locked, you are the one who has to sit through mandatory anti-piracy warnings and trailers on content that you have bought, and you are the one who is SooL if your kid (or you yourself) scratch the media. The pirates wont care. They'll just keep doing what they are doing.
Remember, a NAS is not a backup!!! It basically allows you to have a large overall HDD. If 1 HDD takes a dump, you can remove that drive and poop in a replacement. But other things can happen where you end up losing all of your data. For example, your 1 hard drive takes a dump, you put a new one in and as your NAS is rebuilding your system onto that new drives, putting excessive wear on the other drives, another HDD takes a dump on you!! You’ve basically lost all your files!!! If you were using raid 6, that allows 2 HDD fails, but you have less storage. That was just one example. The NAS could take a dump. You could get robbed, your house could burn down, etc, etc. which is why you should have another NAS for a backup, if it’s off site, even better. Back up everything locally, then put that NAS at a family’s house or something where you can plug it into the internet and then have your main NAS backup to it every night. Most support rsync already built in that should allow you to do just that. If your file is only at one place, it’s not backed up. I have almost 30TB on my own NAS, and it’s backed up to another, cheaper NAS. All it is used for us to backup my main NAS. So keep that in mind. Ya, it’s expensive to get another NAS and a bunch more HDD, but better than losing all that data. Even if your backup of your movie is all on disks. That will take days to rip all those discs once again.
There needs to be a cheaper option. Most people like me who are getting into 4k can only deal with so much money at a time that the nas you showed here would be extremely over budget. A $300 or $500 nas with 4k support and atmos/dtsX and vision would be good enough for most people. But they have to figure that out if they want the mass adoption they would need to keep these devices in production.
You can do this way cheaper if you're willing to do a little more manual work. Get a $370 NAS like this one: amzn.to/33Ucku5 Then check out makemkv.com which will rip any disc and preserve Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos, etc. Get an Nvidia Shield Pro for $200: amzn.to/30VUxR8 and it'll stream those files off the NAS to your home theater. Use Plex to manage the movies and play on the Shield. Done. Bonus: Plex will let you stream your movies outside of your home network, so it's like your own personal Netflix (you can create logins for friends and family as well).
@@cannikinn makemkv sounds like it'll give an mkv file, isn't that compressed? So the original quality from the disc will not be shown ? Also is Plex completely free ?
@@danyalreyaz7503 Nope, that's the beauty of MakeMKV-the quality you get is exactly what's present on the disc, there's no compression or transcoding happening! It's really the best quality you can get (unless you somehow got a master file from the studio). An .mkv file is what's called a "container", it does do anything other than package up the video and audio streams (.mov is similar). Plex is free as long as you're just streaming your own stuff in your house. They have their own streaming movies, music and live TV that you can pay to access, but if all you care about is your own stuff yep, it's free!
@@computerenthusiast402 Yeah I don't see why that wouldn't work, you're running 10.x of the OS right? Here's an older video about setting things up and which drive to get: czcams.com/video/nH18K-7s9_8/video.html There's probably more recent videos, and also Mac-specific ones (that dude uses a Windows machine, but it's basically the same)
I think the asking price is fair for a simple solution. I have my own NAS, and am running PLEX. I started this years ago when Plex was not that known, let alone an App that is everywhere. Trust me, time is money ,and this solution in the long run is expensive as well. I'm using five 16TB Seagate Iron wolf HDD, and those aren't cheap, let alone the cost of the NAS, and a PC to handle the ripping. The only advantage to me method is you can start small and build, but one way or another it will cost a few thousand $. Cheapest method is VUDU, iTunes, and building a cloud based collection, but movie fanatics want to feel like they own their copy of a movie.
having to contact the company before you can add another HD seems odd. Also what is missing (vs their other media players) that prevents you from connecting this directly to a TV to watch movies ? Or is that a strategy to get you to buy their media players too?
You only have to contact them to activate the ripping functionality if you have bought the NAS without any drives and you have fitted your own drives to it - the reasoning being that then you can't just clone off copies of an empty Zappiti NAS and its software. You can use other media players with it if you wish - you just won't get the Zappiti UI ...
@@philharris9631 No, I meant what hardware or software is missing in their NAS that prevents it from being connected directly to TVs and playing movies? If we pay $8K for the thing but still have to buy media players to watch movies, it feels like a bit too much.
Well the NAS doesn’t have playback software, quite likely won’t support 4K output @ frame rates up to and including 60Hz and HDR, has no provision for a remote control and has no UI ... so the same kind of reasoning behind why any other NAS without local playback functionality can’t be connected to a TV directly. An 8 bay NAS stacked with drives is far more noise than I would want in my living room - my 140TB Synology is housed well away from my living room as it is simply too noisy to share space with when the drives are running and the fans are running. Ultimately if you don’t ‘get’ why it is the way that it is then you’re not its target market but for anyone that basically has aspirations to a Kaleidescape library but hasn’t the budget for it then this is a cheap and reliable (ish) solution that can be supported by an installer.
Copying is easy, except for 3 titles of the 145 in our collection that won't rip, and 3 BD titles well. The larger problem is in playback of 4K files, ( stored on a 2nd gen. NAS, with 128 Tb storage capacity,) which is problematic in that they start and stop, BD copy of same title plays fine. I first noticed this issue in playback on my PC, before I installed a 4K Samsung QLED 49" display. Raphael has helped me, said the 4K files on my NAS aren't corrupt, thought it might be a faulty MB in the NAS. So far hasn't followed up, and he seems increasingly unreachable, I am aware of his expanded role with Zappiti, which brought a crushing workload, exacerbated by the new gear roll out, and more owners of Zappiti gear globally, due to you and other content creators on CZcams , and other platforms reviewing their products, ( I ran across your vids 1st,) it's very frustrating. Zappiti needs more technical support, we all have spent big for this.
If I buy new movies in 4khd (for Atmos tracks) then back then up on this, will the player(s) down convert to my 1080p tv? My projector has e-shift but I would enjoy some of my series and tv stuff with the 1080p tv ( until upgrade is needed). Thoughts?
Hey Shane what would you say is the best projector that's not crazy expensive. (I think anything's over 3000 is crazy expensive but that's just me. Lol.) To use in the living room and watching movies in the backyard?
It wasn't mentioned in the video but what about bonus discs, I assume it has no issues ripping those but how do they show up in the UI once ripped? Also what about DVD-Audio discs, can it rip the discs and if so how successful is it in preserving the rather primitive menus they tend to have? I assume it can't rip SACD's?
I use Dvdfab to rip my movies. They have a movie server for $300 something. I just copy to my Synology and use Plex on my Nvidia Shield. I do but for bit and have the disc and 3 digital backups. If you download their player you can do iso files. I may look into Zappiti player just for ISO playback. BTW. In case anyone is concerned. Dvdfab was started in US. Hollywood had their domain taken down so they registered on .cn which I think is China domain.
Is this the kind of thing where I could buy the NAS and then point Plex to that library? I'm wondering if I could build my own NAS and then install some variety of Linux that would perform the same functions. Either way, it'll definitely cost me a little spare change.
I really don't get the pricing on this. A Synology 8-bay NAS, a HD-ripper, and ripping software will set you back around 1.5k without any drives. That's about half the price. How do they motivate this? It's marginally easier to use (Synology NASes are trivial to set up).
The players are very nice but the NAS no thanks. Why you are asking. Well as the owner of the system you can not admin it yourself. You want to add another hdd or remove one you need to call them to do it for you. The system runs on windows home server with a preinstalled admin account that only zappiti can access you can not log in to windows home server. They admin it with software like Teamviewer which is also the way they add or remive hard drives on „your“ NAS. So is this a solution I would recommend? Absolutely NO.
Hello Shane, thank you for your CZcams channel. I enjoy all the info. You can give on all products and movies. Helps me out a great deal. My question on this Zappiti, if you know or maybe accessorize me on this is, do you need to purchase the zappiti nas rip to rip all movies or is it posible to buy the zappiti duo 4k hdr and rip them on this? Or can you purchase the zappiti drive 4k hdr and then the zappiti duo and rip the movies this way too?? And what is the zappiti duo for?? I am very interested in the zappiti and just trying to find the least expensive way to do this. Thank you for your time and keep up the awsome work, enjoy your channel very informative.
Tell me about the "important note: US Reg doesn't allow 'private copy'", please? Is simply copying the disc to the NAS considered "private copy"? That seems to be whats happening if i'm not mistaken. And, i see it says to call the rep to find alternatives.... did you have to do that? what did they say if so. if what i'm asking is true, dont we see at the beginning of every movie, "$250,000 fine or imprisonment for each offense..."? so, in this case, if i'm not mistaken, this is a pretty high risk that studios could decide to go after the little guy (like they did with bearshare) and folks start getting fines for using a NAS. Granted, no one really expects that to happen, but nor did they when it happened with the music industry did it. If i'm not mistaken, Kaleidescape wound up having to offer a NAS like player that required you to have the disc in the drive to play the movie - even though it's stored on the server as a result of a lost copyright infringement case. (Wasn't their idea to have to do that, but it was either that or go out of business.) I'd so excited about this product myself as i have a large library of films stored optically. But concerned about the above.... thanks
Correct me if i am wrong, so you can take an external hard drive, hook it up to the usb port of the Zappiti mini, and then hook up the mini to a tv via HDMI to watch movies?
I'm with ya'. But a friend who is much more of early adopter than I am suggested that I set up a Plex server because I had such a big collection...200 movies, but we were poor college students so that was big at the time...anyway, it took me a couple years, graduation, and a real job to seriously get into it and I haven't looked back. I have my collection, much larger now, safely tucked away and I can pull up my movies ala Netflix style anywhere I am. The wife loves it because she doesn't have to go hunting for movies and the kids keep their sticky fingers off my plastic. Best part is, the copies on Plex are the same quality as the disks and I spent much less on the basic hardware than this setup. If convenience is $800 bucks, then I'll do the work myself. It's really not hard at all and what you get is so much more upgradeable than this thing.
@@FirstTimer23 what all does it need, a NAS from like Synology ? I've seen people recommend makemkv , does it run on the NAS or do I need a PC with a Blu-ray 4k player meant for PC, to rip my discs using makemkv and then transfer them to the NAS ? Then I can use Plex on a Shield to get that to the projector through the wired network ?
Sorry I don’t get it. I can (a) get the same asus drive, (b) rip 4K movies using makemkv, (c) save to a synology NAS, and (d) play back on an nvidia shield pro. That would save me thousands over this solution AND give me Dolby Vision to boot. I’m not seeing the value here, TBH.
You have to call them to have your own HDDs "activated"? What's their goal there? For me, this ain't THAT simplistic enough to pay this premium. AnyDVD does the job for me. And how long did it take to finally find your movie? The UI of a PC definitely works better for me.
what do you use as a front end to view your films? I've tried KODI but its a pain in the butt sometimes as I find it difficult to configure with a player that supports MADVR and HDR (like MPC-BE) I've ended up just clicking on the file explorer most of the time.. lol.
@@aoaaron6166 Just like you are doing now, Windows Explorer. Navigate back and forth so easily. MPC-BE, MADVR...all that good stuff. Mine is a HTPC and NAS computer.
@@joeyyung911 Nice :) I wish there was a nicer file explorer. Windows file explorer is so ugly. Would be nice if there was a file browisng app a bit prettier.. like KODI.. but just a file explorer..
@@aoaaron6166 KODI no longer needs MADVR any more. They have a windows build that plays HDR and looks great. Great coloration. No longer have to mess arround any more. yes a bit late but they are there now. The Android vs on Shield plays HDR and Dolby Vision.
Man that's pricey... It took me a grand total of 8 hours to work out how to rip UHD blurays including retaining Dolby Vision. I'm not sure how much a Shield TV is in the US, but based on the AU price it'd be less than the USD 250 for the Shield TV Pro which includes Dolby Vision and a Plex server which based on the 4 seconds of interface I saw in this clip was far more smooth. A combo of MakeMKV and TSMuxer means that I don't have to copy all the extra audio/subtitle languages so that saves space and is far better from a usability point of view. I suppose you don't keep the menus.... but isn't that always a plus? I suppose if you want to go into special features maybe? So I suppose if I allow 1k for an 8 bay NAS, 2k for 8x 16TB drives and maybe an extra 500 for the shield and a lifetime Plex Pass etc we're still at half the price - and this is being rough. I'm sure you could get it way lower. So.... Is the Zappiti easier? Yes... Is 8 hours of your time worth the extra 4-6k? ... If it is then: Dear Mr Elon Musk. I'm an aerospace engineer who'd very much like to work for Space X! Included in my resume is the ability to set up a 4k ripping system... Seriously. USD 500/hour. 8 hour day. 40 hours a week. 50 weeks a year... Ok, so if you literally earn less than USD 1million per year then this is not the product for you. If you do, then congrats, I guess.
Hi Aaron, can you elaborate or give a link about ripping UHDs? I looked a while ago, and you needed some exotic drive and patch its firmware, etc. That seemed quite fiddly... Thanks
So zappiti cracs copy protection. I thought these programs Are kind of barely legal. Propably just matter of time no new movies Are un rip able ? Whats most convinient and better picture choise for Ripping old dvds and 3d blurays ? I do have a htpc if needed
Some parts of the world is it illegal to rip your own disk. Some parts say that as long as you own your own disk you can make a back up with it. Its only wrong if you share your media and or not hang onto the disk.
I just purchased the zappiti pro 4k. It cost 999.00. The zappiti 4k pro has two 16 tb bays and also had 3 usb inputs to allow 3 additional external drives for plenty of storage. The zappiti pro 4k also allows you to connect zappiti minis to ask as a server for streaming your collection to other tvs. The picture quality on the pro 4k is absolutely amazing
It's going to take a LOT more convincing information than provided here to convince me that I will ever see the value of a $3k investment + cost of physical media before streaming offers an experience that while not "as good" doesn't offer an indistinguishable experience for pennies a day. Honestly I feel like all of these high end media streaming devices were developed when streaming was poor. Today, with a 4k/Atmos capable streaming source like the commercially available Apple TV+, HBO Max, Netflix 4K service, a modern LG OLED TV, a high tier Atmos capable sound bar and a few bucks a month I get what anyone I know would consider the theater experience at home. You're basically paying an extreme tax to get the last 10% and most people will never know the difference.
This looks really clunky. I would get the high end player and with some hard disks you pay as much as the kaleidescape wich has a much better menu. I don't mind putting a disk in the uhd player but this is kind of nice like watching Netflix.
There is a much better and cheaper way, download original via torrent, buy oppo 203, upgrade oppo 203 power supply to linear, upgrade power plug, upgrade plug to power supply, buy decent hdmi cable, quality is then identical to Panasonic ub9000, yes i bought one but waste of money as oppo is just as good,plus penny doesn't play backups, save all files to hdd, plug into oppo and away you go, its perfect, does dolby vision, cost about £1500 for oppo and to upgrade it, you can go one step further and jailbreak oppo, you can then play 3d iso, but no point if you don't watch 3d
Right. This is for the “convience” when you can just watch it on a player. If you really needed to watch it on the go all blu rays come with a digital code.
I've got a few hundred discs, 4K BRP on all 5 TVs and a USB BRP on my 'main' PC. They mostly collect dust for the same reason as most people. Easier to stream. I love unneeded tech, but can't see using something like this?
@@SmittyAZ That’s your problem. Buying more than you need. Normal people have 1 maybe 2 4k players considering Xbox and the next gen consoles have then built in. If your collection is collecting dust then that’s also your problem. It’s just as easy when you have everything set up to an activity or a scene, just buy a harmony hub. It literally takes me an extra couple minutes because half of that is me debating on what to watch. Streaming has its place I wouldn’t say it’s better or worse.
@@Chris.Smith420 Exactly. I waste money and personally see no need to spend 3K for ripping. Sounds like you're trying to justify your setup? BTW- I have 3 PS3 and 2 XB hooked up. (Non-gamer) The XBs send Dolby Atmos / Vision to my receiver and TV-last used to stream movies.
Am I misremembering, or is this case available separately? Maybe not from Zappiti but the OEM that makes it? There are scripts (github.com/automatic-ripping-machine/automatic-ripping-machine) and docker images (github.com/rix1337/docker-ripper) available to do this on Linux automatically, combine that with Plex or Emby and add in extra's like Sonarr, Radarr, PiHole (whole network adblocker) etc. and you've got yourself a Nas (I'd use TrueNAS as my OS for ZFS) that's way more powerful, secure (due to ZFS and BSD) and I'm not gonna do a full build for this, but I'm sure you can build something for maybe a few hundred bucks without drives? Then you can go crazy and throw an Epyc Embedded 3000 at this thing and you're maybe 1000 bucks out instead. Still only a third of this thing when it comes to price. You can also get drives cheap by buying external ones and ripping them out of their cages, since they're usually cheaper for some reason. The fat ones have a 3.5" HDD.
Raspberry pi’s can be used as media players and a cheap pc with a blu-ray drive and a 8 bay hard drive hub can do everything else. There is no need for this device.
The Asus blu-ray player installed on the NAS is NOT SUPPOSED to be able to read UHD discs, how is this magic possible ??? It's almost impossible to read 4k discs on a desktop computer nowadays (look for topics about that problem on the net ! ) Besides, that solution is WWWWWWAAAAYYYYYY too expensive when you can affford any 4k player for less than 200 dollars... What's the point of this video ?
@@therealshanelee Hey, I did : ) Your video does not give a CHEAP solution to 4k blu rays owners... Moreover, I expected you to open the NAS and show, at least, how it's made inside...
I can tell you that it’s awesome, easily the best picture I have had from any player - coming from an Oppo 203 previously. Big step up from the one that I also own.
i use to rip my movies DVD thats about 15 years ago ,,, i have so many that i am throwing them away including bluray ,,, they barley make any 4k disc now... this is so obsolete and at this price point its even ridiculous... just use plex and you done, dont bother with this crap
Cannot get behind this product, price is wickedly inflated, lacks dolby vision, big and clunky. This is an apple type product, if i was going to burn thay much cash, i would ratger save more and get the kaleidoscope. Atleast you would get far better quality then 4k disc and dolby vision.
Each to there own, but if you already own 500+ Blu rays/UHDs then the K is a massively expensive option - to replace my library would have cost me over £30k for the k 😳
@@RandomUserName92840 Little more to Kaleidescape then that. This was all about there disk vaults. It was a mess on both parties. As pertaining to Zappiti, its different. Depending on where you are in the world, laws vary. Most agree that if you can rip your movies from Disk, then you need to save the disk, file it away. Do not share and defiantly do not upload them to and web sites.
Talk about haters gonna hate... If your a long time subscriber you would already know that Shane knows all about Kodi & Plex. And at no point did he suggest to anyone that you should should stop using Plex or Kodi immediately, stop using your NAS etc... He just sharing with us what he's using. I just appreciate him showing an alternate solution. I like the Zappiti client aspect of this as well. Keep up the great work Shane!!!!!! Love the content!!!!!
Shane, good follow-up!
The Zappiti NAS isn't for everyone and thought I would add some things that weren't covered...
it only makes complete bit for bit ISO of everything on the disc and does so using both AnyDVD AND MakeMKV
Has on board m.2 for cache
Uses RAID 5, ONLY 1 disc redundancy (can only lose one HDD of the 8). So if using (8) 16tb HDD, you have 112tb of space.
The Ironwolf Pro will be releasing the 18tb HDD shortly and maybe the 16tb will come down in price a little, or perhaps the 14tb will...
In comparison to the Kaleidescape Terra, it maxes out at 40tb with also 1 HDD redundancy, and backs up to their server. I can't imagine the cost, let alone adding a player like the Stratos...
In another video Shane interviews with Zappiti/France developer Raphael Tabutin that states the USB ports can not be used to attach/copy from external HDD. This was done to prevent viruses. So you need to have a stable network and factor in things such as your bus speed of your PC when transferring previous movies.
The Zappiti NAS can copy simultaneous 4 UHD's BUT only using their external drives (3). Blu-ray can be done using any external optical drive...
Lastly, I might add that after backing up 7 entire disc UHD movies I went through 340gb. You WILL burn through a lot of HDD space and this is where the Zappiti NAS shines...
I've not made the plunge, but am close and have spent many emails to Raphael getting this info directly from him...
Yes this gets a lot more expensive with some extra hdd.
Kaleidescape Terra doesn’t have redundancy, only the older Premiere lineup did. Since Encore (Terra and Strato) content is only digitally purchased (from K) all purchases can be restored in the event of a hard drive failure and is the reasoning behind no raid.
This is definitely convenient. I'm interested.
I agree with you 100%. This is convenient yet not practical and way too much money for a simple task. I am a big fan of Oppo and Zappiti. From Zappiti I do own The Zappiti Pro 4K HDR , Zappiti One SE 4K HDR. What I don't like about Zappiti is their Android Versions. They are way behind and you will never ever will have the latest Android OS. This applies same towards Dune too - I have their Dune Max Vision 4K, still the same. This effect me in many ways. Also Zappiti , it has lots of issues when you are trying to sync your account across multiple Zappiti devices. I also agree with lots of people in here - This product is GREAT, I mean Zappiti NAS ripper. Having said so, I do agree with many in here. I do have above mentioned products plus the Panasonic 9000. I consider above are top range high-end Audio and Video products. Yet this NAS ripper by Zappiti is way over-priced in my opinion for LIMITED FEATURES. I am a slave for high-end AV products as you can get the best out of your contents. Their NAS Ripper is something that I wouldn't consider. Like many have mentioned here, there are way too many options to have 1 to 1 ripping with lossless AV. My above motioned products runs across my house by ripping them to a NAS, ( I made my own NAS ). I run 700 TB NAS at the moment that I am posting this - and I use like couple of '' Media-bridge 8bay's enclosures connected to my OPPO UDP-205 and and my Zappiti Pro 4K HDR ( Fast transfer USB C to USB 3.0 ). Via these I have interconnected and synced across my house and my main Home-Theater room. All I use is a couple of Media-bridge 8 Bays, Make MKV. I use Zappiti, their Film user interface , Kodi. Oh, I do have couple of Nvidia Shield TV Pro's - which I use them for streaming Apps. Like many others have mentioned here, you still can get near fantastic decent quality AV from NVIDIA too. You really don't need any of my above mentioned items either. With a low budget you still can have an amazing home theater too. This Zappiti NAS is great, great convenience, far from being particle. If you are willing to work a bit You can have an amazing film hall with bit spent. Make MKV gives you full bit to bit AV. I hope @SpareChange will do a full in-depth review of upcoming Zappiti Reference Series ( Player ). Cheers.
Nice. I rip my disc from my PC and have a Synology NAS running Plex. Only the video/audio/subtitle files and not the menus/extras.
What software and hardware do you use.
@@Strong-km9ly makemkv to rip. You can check their forums for blu ray drives you can use.
It's a interesting video. awesome to see the process. They are clearly marketing this to high end users. They know some people will spend extra money for the convenience of the product. I'll admit that rolling back the firmware on my bluray drive and it is faster that make mkv by about 30 min. They make enough money off each unit to set it at that price so good for them. Surprised that anyone paying this much just wouldn't be more satisfied with streaming. I will say even if they cut the price in half I would still go with Plex over that
we would like to see a comparison between the zappiti and others media player like the zidoo .
It's a nice turnkey product for sure. I thought about getting one a few years ago, but if you are someone with a huge (and growing) collection, who religiously stores all physical media online in full iso formats like I do, the initial cost and inevitable ongoing drive expansion cost is not worth it in my view. I opted to create my own ( fairly turn-key) setup with an older laptop and three UHD burners that rip about 3 discs in about 1.5hours. My storage is a 10-bay NAS running two raid 0 5-bay sets, which are faster reads than raid 5. If you have a vast online collection or is steadily growing, I would not recommend relying on raid 5 as your only backup. Mine auto-backs up to two inexpensive 5 bay USB enclosures that can be fully restored in less than a day via USB 3. I have been a long fan of Zappiti and own a couple of their players and love them. Great for binge-watching :) However, with a little sweat equity, you can get much more for much much less .
I am in your case exactly, could you give some hardware shopping list? what nas, hdd, burners and also what software suite to perform the iso extract and then, how do you read the iso file ?
Nice review. I’ve got a complete zappiti setup, with the NAS, cinema pro, one and mini. It all works great, I still use mkv on occasions as the nas does use loads more storage.
A few points were noting:
1) The movie wall is much quicker using the nasrip than any other standalone nas - probably twice as fast.
2) forced subtitles rip fine on Blu Ray but not on 4k - these are ones I specifically use mkv for if I know they have forced subs in the film.
3) VC-1 files playback perfectly through the nasrip and zappiti, whereas they stutter on mkv rips.
Overall I’m really pleased with it, it’s simple to use and has been rock solid reliable for the few months I’ve owned it.
P.S The cinema pro edition is absolutely stunning!
How does this deal with region locked discs? Can you remove the region encoding?
Loving the Zappiti NAS right now. I’ve had it for a week and have been adding media when I can. Word to the wise: edit your media (if needed) say after every 20 discs. Do not let this task get away from you! You should see how this thing is sorting my Star Trek TNG box set...ITS SO BEAUTIFUL!
What do you mean edit your media?
Info such as aspect ratio are set at default. For Blu-ray Disc, they default to Dolby 5.1. Also if you want to add a show to a category, this would the time.
Holy Molly $3500 and no HD! I have less maybe $1500 in my setup to rip and store my 4k movies. I have a synology 918+ filled with 4 WD 10tb HD that I shucked. Play all my movies with a Nvidia shield 2019 via plex. This might be worth it to an average user if indeed it worked 100% of the time. All of us that rip already know that's never gonna be the case. Still this is kinda neat and the first I've ever seen!
I love my zappitti but this...is just way out of my budget! But I would so love to have! Thanks for the review! As always great job! Love the channel!
Here's the thing though..... if you want to set up a proper NAS yourself then it's actually really expensive. Even using free software like FreeNAS you still need a metric ton of hard drives, especially if you are wripping 4k content, and you cannot go for the cheap stuff. You need error correcting memory, and you need drives that even though they need not be enterprise drives they do need to be designed for use in a NAS like the WD REDs that cost around $300 each for the 10TB versions.
Last I checked I'd have to pay around 4-5k to make my own NAS, and on top of that ripping is a problem as getting players that can rip 4K content is still not trivial (unless something new has come along).
Add to this that it's difficult to find a player that plays back ISOs then this becomes a feasible alternative. I really hate all of the hoops I have to jump through just to back up physical media that I have purchased. It is what it is. I'd much prefer having a computer that does everything (gaming, movies, the works) but it seems like the industry has us squarely locked in these kinds of proprietary solutions in an attempt to battle piracy. We're the ones who keep getting screwed.
Awesome product no doubt. My concern is the price. I mean I get that you pay for plug and play. I love my Zappiti Neo (and loved my Pro 4K HDR before that), I dont mind paying abit extra for UI and stuff that just works. However....if you look at the U-NAS 810 case you can see its exactly the same case (without the UHD drive). You can get a U-NAS 810P for 499 USD (or just the case and add top components yourself). Add another 100 for a UHD Friendly optical drive and you end up paying 3000 USD for not downloading FreeNAS or U-NAS Operating system and installing. Am I missing something??
As much as I admire the convenience of one of these you have to ask yourself is avoiding the 'work' of occasionally popping a disc into a blu-ray player really worth $4500 🤷♂️
I don't think so. Especially since it takes me about 20 seconds from shelf to playing in my setup. I would have to watch that disc at least 45 times to make this 'time-saving' versus the 15-20 minutes to rip the disc. I guess this is for people who have hit a complete upgrade wall and can't think of anything else to add to their home theatre.
You are of course absolutely right. The reason I use a NAS is that I can have all my disks in storage rather than on my wall (I like clean walls) and for backup. The last is not to be understated.
With that said, ripping films is a hassle and the movie industry is hell bent on making it as hard as they legally can.
Need to activate the NAS? Seems like a reason to stay away from that brand itself ...
Now this does look good I might have to invest in the ZAPPITI NAS & 4K HDR PRO, bit annoyed about no DOLBY VISION though
I was on board until we got to the "no Dolby Vision" part. Then the sticker shock sealed the deal.
It would still look better than a heavily compressed stream with DV.. especially with paid service providers randomly capping bandwidth these months.
@@4rzaluz Yes... but I watch most things on 4K UHD Blu-ray for that reason.
@@nacthenud same here
I am looking for a solution where you can use madvr, this would make me sell my UB9000
You lost me at “Angry Birds.” Kidding - good video mate
Hi Shane, your video is perfect and show me some ideas. As I have a Synology big NAS could be possible use some solution like Zappiti NaS to rip my collection (music videos in DVD and Blu Ray)? Or the solution is very complicated to do and best way should be to buy a Zappiti solution? Do you know what is the software to rip used by it? Thank you
very cool you just stick in the disc and it does all the work but wow thats a crazy price for sure. If you know how to do it, just rip your own. but yeah its a hassle for saving time
I was wondering why this seemed so similar to the MyMovies approach... Turns out the Zappiti approach is modelled on the MyMovies approach and even licences the MyMovies metadata!
I really wish they would port the backend for MyMovies to sit on FreeNAS, and an updated front end that's maybe a bit more platform-agnostic. Sort of like taking the best bits of Plex but improving it with the collection management, auto-ripping, bit-for-bit disc copies and so forth.
As of March 1, 2022, Zappiti is not allowed to sell the NAS in the USA due to copyright laws. These are outdated and irrelevant copyright laws. The USA is the only country in which this applies.
Would i need multiple nas or multiple Mini 4k hdr if i want to connect to multiple TVs around the house. Thanks.
That a cool product but does it work with dvd movie as well
it seems more economical to have a Zappiti Pro and include two large drives plus a blu-ray burner, idk though.
So what’s the deal with doing this vs a few years ago when music that was ripped to PC’s was considered ‘stolen’?
What is stopping people going to any store or a library, ripping it and returning the disk?
Their moral code.
You have a right to backup anything that you have purchased (morally and legally). These anti-piracy measures only hurt legal customers. You are the one who is region locked, you are the one who has to sit through mandatory anti-piracy warnings and trailers on content that you have bought, and you are the one who is SooL if your kid (or you yourself) scratch the media. The pirates wont care. They'll just keep doing what they are doing.
Remember, a NAS is not a backup!!! It basically allows you to have a large overall HDD. If 1 HDD takes a dump, you can remove that drive and poop in a replacement. But other things can happen where you end up losing all of your data. For example, your 1 hard drive takes a dump, you put a new one in and as your NAS is rebuilding your system onto that new drives, putting excessive wear on the other drives, another HDD takes a dump on you!! You’ve basically lost all your files!!! If you were using raid 6, that allows 2 HDD fails, but you have less storage.
That was just one example. The NAS could take a dump. You could get robbed, your house could burn down, etc, etc. which is why you should have another NAS for a backup, if it’s off site, even better. Back up everything locally, then put that NAS at a family’s house or something where you can plug it into the internet and then have your main NAS backup to it every night. Most support rsync already built in that should allow you to do just that.
If your file is only at one place, it’s not backed up. I have almost 30TB on my own NAS, and it’s backed up to another, cheaper NAS. All it is used for us to backup my main NAS. So keep that in mind. Ya, it’s expensive to get another NAS and a bunch more HDD, but better than losing all that data. Even if your backup of your movie is all on disks. That will take days to rip all those discs once again.
There needs to be a cheaper option.
Most people like me who are getting into 4k can only deal with so much money at a time that the nas you showed here would be extremely over budget.
A $300 or $500 nas with 4k support and atmos/dtsX and vision would be good enough for most people. But they have to figure that out if they want the mass adoption they would need to keep these devices in production.
You can do this way cheaper if you're willing to do a little more manual work. Get a $370 NAS like this one: amzn.to/33Ucku5 Then check out makemkv.com which will rip any disc and preserve Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos, etc. Get an Nvidia Shield Pro for $200: amzn.to/30VUxR8 and it'll stream those files off the NAS to your home theater. Use Plex to manage the movies and play on the Shield. Done. Bonus: Plex will let you stream your movies outside of your home network, so it's like your own personal Netflix (you can create logins for friends and family as well).
@@cannikinn makemkv sounds like it'll give an mkv file, isn't that compressed? So the original quality from the disc will not be shown ? Also is Plex completely free ?
@@danyalreyaz7503 Nope, that's the beauty of MakeMKV-the quality you get is exactly what's present on the disc, there's no compression or transcoding happening! It's really the best quality you can get (unless you somehow got a master file from the studio). An .mkv file is what's called a "container", it does do anything other than package up the video and audio streams (.mov is similar). Plex is free as long as you're just streaming your own stuff in your house. They have their own streaming movies, music and live TV that you can pay to access, but if all you care about is your own stuff yep, it's free!
@@cannikinn I wanted to do something like this using an old Cheese grater Mac Pro 2010 edition. Any way to do something like this using an old Mac ?
@@computerenthusiast402 Yeah I don't see why that wouldn't work, you're running 10.x of the OS right? Here's an older video about setting things up and which drive to get: czcams.com/video/nH18K-7s9_8/video.html There's probably more recent videos, and also Mac-specific ones (that dude uses a Windows machine, but it's basically the same)
Need a video on backing up streaming movies.
300 review soooooon?
I think the asking price is fair for a simple solution. I have my own NAS, and am running PLEX. I started this years ago when Plex was not that known, let alone an App that is everywhere. Trust me, time is money ,and this solution in the long run is expensive as well. I'm using five 16TB Seagate Iron wolf HDD, and those aren't cheap, let alone the cost of the NAS, and a PC to handle the ripping. The only advantage to me method is you can start small and build, but one way or another it will cost a few thousand $. Cheapest method is VUDU, iTunes, and building a cloud based collection, but movie fanatics want to feel like they own their copy of a movie.
having to contact the company before you can add another HD seems odd. Also what is missing (vs their other media players) that prevents you from connecting this directly to a TV to watch movies ? Or is that a strategy to get you to buy their media players too?
You only have to contact them to activate the ripping functionality if you have bought the NAS without any drives and you have fitted your own drives to it - the reasoning being that then you can't just clone off copies of an empty Zappiti NAS and its software.
You can use other media players with it if you wish - you just won't get the Zappiti UI ...
@@philharris9631 No, I meant what hardware or software is missing in their NAS that prevents it from being connected directly to TVs and playing movies? If we pay $8K for the thing but still have to buy media players to watch movies, it feels like a bit too much.
Well the NAS doesn’t have playback software, quite likely won’t support 4K output @ frame rates up to and including 60Hz and HDR, has no provision for a remote control and has no UI ... so the same kind of reasoning behind why any other NAS without local playback functionality can’t be connected to a TV directly.
An 8 bay NAS stacked with drives is far more noise than I would want in my living room - my 140TB Synology is housed well away from my living room as it is simply too noisy to share space with when the drives are running and the fans are running. Ultimately if you don’t ‘get’ why it is the way that it is then you’re not its target market but for anyone that basically has aspirations to a Kaleidescape library but hasn’t the budget for it then this is a cheap and reliable (ish) solution that can be supported by an installer.
Do you know why the Zappiti NAS 4K HDR SE seems to not be available online anywhere in the United States right now?
US copyright
Hello we have the NAS and mini player and want to share some issues to compare to see how to fix or leave it like that
Little confused could you explain to me why the 300 was sort of skipping what would make it not skip? Why wasn't angry birds part 2 not skipping?
MakeMKV a small board PC box with 4 USB 3`s and a good 4k cdrom ripper am thinking £350 or less 4td hd inc
Copying is easy, except for 3 titles of the 145 in our collection that won't rip, and 3 BD titles well. The larger problem is in playback of 4K files, ( stored on a 2nd gen. NAS, with 128 Tb storage capacity,) which is problematic in that they start and stop, BD copy of same title plays fine.
I first noticed this issue in playback on my PC, before I installed a 4K Samsung QLED 49" display. Raphael has helped me, said the 4K files on my NAS aren't corrupt, thought it might be a faulty MB in the NAS. So far hasn't followed up, and he seems increasingly unreachable, I am aware of his expanded role with Zappiti, which brought a crushing workload, exacerbated by the new gear roll out, and more owners of Zappiti gear globally, due to you and other content creators on CZcams , and other platforms reviewing their products, ( I ran across your vids 1st,) it's very frustrating. Zappiti needs more technical support, we all have spent big for this.
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If I buy new movies in 4khd (for Atmos tracks) then back then up on this, will the player(s) down convert to my 1080p tv? My projector has e-shift but I would enjoy some of my series and tv stuff with the 1080p tv ( until upgrade is needed). Thoughts?
Amazing.. but to expensive for me for the functions
Hey Shane what would you say is the best projector that's not crazy expensive. (I think anything's over 3000 is crazy expensive but that's just me. Lol.) To use in the living room and watching movies in the backyard?
It wasn't mentioned in the video but what about bonus discs, I assume it has no issues ripping those but how do they show up in the UI once ripped? Also what about DVD-Audio discs, can it rip the discs and if so how successful is it in preserving the rather primitive menus they tend to have? I assume it can't rip SACD's?
Is it possible to use as dlna media server with Microsoft media player on my Xbox series s also 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound
I use Dvdfab to rip my movies. They have a movie server for $300 something. I just copy to my Synology and use Plex on my Nvidia Shield. I do but for bit and have the disc and 3 digital backups. If you download their player you can do iso files.
I may look into Zappiti player just for ISO playback.
BTW. In case anyone is concerned. Dvdfab was started in US. Hollywood had their domain taken down so they registered on .cn which I think is China domain.
It has always been Chinese.
I’ll just get up and put my disc in lol but that’s pretty damn cool
Is this the kind of thing where I could buy the NAS and then point Plex to that library? I'm wondering if I could build my own NAS and then install some variety of Linux that would perform the same functions. Either way, it'll definitely cost me a little spare change.
I bet Zappiti is paying small royalties for each movie downloaded is why it wouldn't let you burn one before it is on their site.
I really don't get the pricing on this. A Synology 8-bay NAS, a HD-ripper, and ripping software will set you back around 1.5k without any drives. That's about half the price. How do they motivate this? It's marginally easier to use (Synology NASes are trivial to set up).
The players are very nice but the NAS no thanks. Why you are asking.
Well as the owner of the system you can not admin it yourself. You want to add another hdd or remove one you need to call them to do it for you.
The system runs on windows home server with a preinstalled admin account that only zappiti can access you can not log in to windows home server. They admin it with software like Teamviewer which is also the way they add or remive hard drives on „your“ NAS. So is this a solution I would recommend? Absolutely NO.
Wondering how much time and space is saved if only English track is ripped.
That would depend on each disc.
Aren't those drives WD Blue drives?? Not red like they recommend?
The REDs are meant to stay running. This is a demo machine that's barely on so it came with the blues.
Hello Shane, thank you for your CZcams channel. I enjoy all the info. You can give on all products and movies. Helps me out a great deal. My question on this Zappiti, if you know or maybe accessorize me on this is, do you need to purchase the zappiti nas rip to rip all movies or is it posible to buy the zappiti duo 4k hdr and rip them on this? Or can you purchase the zappiti drive 4k hdr and then the zappiti duo and rip the movies this way too?? And what is the zappiti duo for?? I am very interested in the zappiti and just trying to find the least expensive way to do this. Thank you for your time and keep up the awsome work, enjoy your channel very informative.
Only the NAS can make backups.
You can buy a friendly drive and rip them with MKV software.
@@David25522 Thank You, but can you elaborate more please, I'm not computer friendly. Would like to learn more definitely. Thank You
No Dolby vision? Nvidea shield uses AI upscale on 1080p movies and True HD Atmos for $300
How does it handle Cinavia?
So, its like watching a movie, but with extra steps (and cost).
Go back and rewatch.
Tell me about the "important note: US Reg doesn't allow 'private copy'", please? Is simply copying the disc to the NAS considered "private copy"?
That seems to be whats happening if i'm not mistaken. And, i see it says to call the rep to find alternatives.... did you have to do that? what did they say if so.
if what i'm asking is true, dont we see at the beginning of every movie, "$250,000 fine or imprisonment for each offense..."? so, in this case, if i'm not mistaken, this is a pretty high risk that studios could decide to go after the little guy (like they did with bearshare) and folks start getting fines for using a NAS.
Granted, no one really expects that to happen, but nor did they when it happened with the music industry did it.
If i'm not mistaken, Kaleidescape wound up having to offer a NAS like player that required you to have the disc in the drive to play the movie - even though it's stored on the server as a result of a lost copyright infringement case. (Wasn't their idea to have to do that, but it was either that or go out of business.)
I'd so excited about this product myself as i have a large library of films stored optically. But concerned about the above....
thanks
Correct me if i am wrong, so you can take an external hard drive, hook it up to the usb port of the Zappiti mini, and then hook up the mini to a tv via HDMI to watch movies?
Yeah that’s how it works.
@@therealshanelee cool beans man, sounds like a no brainer. thanks
Is this unit not available in the US anymore?
Discontinued in the US.
@@therealshanelee That's a bummer. Thanks for confirming!
Wait why the player tho.. isn't this a NAS drive? Can't we just use Plex Server?
Do you use a separate server for music? Or do you use the Kaleidescape or Zappiti for all your media?
Qobuz & Tidal.
Shane what individual size are the hdrives that come with this zapiti eg 1TB/2TB
They don't come with drives. You spec that out when you buy it.
I think they got 8k resolution mixed up with 8k pricing
Can you integrate into plex or Kodi?
Nah I will stick with my movies on disc that I bought. No need to burn them and make copies. Nice though for peeps who are into that kind of stuff.
I'm with ya'. But a friend who is much more of early adopter than I am suggested that I set up a Plex server because I had such a big collection...200 movies, but we were poor college students so that was big at the time...anyway, it took me a couple years, graduation, and a real job to seriously get into it and I haven't looked back. I have my collection, much larger now, safely tucked away and I can pull up my movies ala Netflix style anywhere I am. The wife loves it because she doesn't have to go hunting for movies and the kids keep their sticky fingers off my plastic. Best part is, the copies on Plex are the same quality as the disks and I spent much less on the basic hardware than this setup. If convenience is $800 bucks, then I'll do the work myself. It's really not hard at all and what you get is so much more upgradeable than this thing.
@@FirstTimer23 what all does it need, a NAS from like Synology ? I've seen people recommend makemkv , does it run on the NAS or do I need a PC with a Blu-ray 4k player meant for PC, to rip my discs using makemkv and then transfer them to the NAS ? Then I can use Plex on a Shield to get that to the projector through the wired network ?
“This video is unavailable on this device” while attempting to watch on my iPhone 11 Pro Max. Anyone else have issues with this particular video?
Can record and play 3D formats.
Yes
Sorry I don’t get it. I can (a) get the same asus drive, (b) rip 4K movies using makemkv, (c) save to a synology NAS, and (d) play back on an nvidia shield pro. That would save me thousands over this solution AND give me Dolby Vision to boot. I’m not seeing the value here, TBH.
What's the Asus drive model name?
You have to call them to have your own HDDs "activated"? What's their goal there? For me, this ain't THAT simplistic enough to pay this premium. AnyDVD does the job for me. And how long did it take to finally find your movie? The UI of a PC definitely works better for me.
what do you use as a front end to view your films?
I've tried KODI but its a pain in the butt sometimes as I find it difficult to configure with a player that supports MADVR and HDR (like MPC-BE)
I've ended up just clicking on the file explorer most of the time.. lol.
@@aoaaron6166 Just like you are doing now, Windows Explorer. Navigate back and forth so easily. MPC-BE, MADVR...all that good stuff. Mine is a HTPC and NAS computer.
@@joeyyung911 Nice :) I wish there was a nicer file explorer. Windows file explorer is so ugly. Would be nice if there was a file browisng app a bit prettier.. like KODI.. but just a file explorer..
@@aoaaron6166 KODI no longer needs MADVR any more. They have a windows build that plays HDR and looks great. Great coloration. No longer have to mess arround any more. yes a bit late but they are there now. The Android vs on Shield plays HDR and Dolby Vision.
Man that's pricey... It took me a grand total of 8 hours to work out how to rip UHD blurays including retaining Dolby Vision. I'm not sure how much a Shield TV is in the US, but based on the AU price it'd be less than the USD 250 for the Shield TV Pro which includes Dolby Vision and a Plex server which based on the 4 seconds of interface I saw in this clip was far more smooth. A combo of MakeMKV and TSMuxer means that I don't have to copy all the extra audio/subtitle languages so that saves space and is far better from a usability point of view. I suppose you don't keep the menus.... but isn't that always a plus? I suppose if you want to go into special features maybe?
So I suppose if I allow 1k for an 8 bay NAS, 2k for 8x 16TB drives and maybe an extra 500 for the shield and a lifetime Plex Pass etc we're still at half the price - and this is being rough. I'm sure you could get it way lower.
So.... Is the Zappiti easier? Yes... Is 8 hours of your time worth the extra 4-6k? ... If it is then:
Dear Mr Elon Musk. I'm an aerospace engineer who'd very much like to work for Space X! Included in my resume is the ability to set up a 4k ripping system...
Seriously. USD 500/hour. 8 hour day. 40 hours a week. 50 weeks a year...
Ok, so if you literally earn less than USD 1million per year then this is not the product for you. If you do, then congrats, I guess.
Not shocked, the nas is a desktop with more storage and Blu-ray drive.
Hi Aaron, can you elaborate or give a link about ripping UHDs? I looked a while ago, and you needed some exotic drive and patch its firmware, etc. That seemed quite fiddly... Thanks
@@oli61 I got an Asus Blu Ray drive and had it's firmware downgraded. It's recommended if you have a desktop.
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u can rip dolby vision AND keep the audio metadata in mkv container now??
So zappiti cracs copy protection. I thought these programs Are kind of barely legal. Propably just matter of time no new movies Are un rip able ?
Whats most convinient and better picture choise for Ripping old dvds and 3d blurays ?
I do have a htpc if needed
Some parts of the world is it illegal to rip your own disk. Some parts say that as long as you own your own disk you can make a back up with it. Its only wrong if you share your media and or not hang onto the disk.
... and in 10y when one of your HDD fails and WD has long since discontinued it, you're screwed.
What a stupid comment. They'll get you another current better performing HDD. It's that what you really came up with.
Anything to reccomend for someone not trying to spend more than a grand 🙃
I just purchased the zappiti pro 4k. It cost 999.00. The zappiti 4k pro has two 16 tb bays and also had 3 usb inputs to allow 3 additional external drives for plenty of storage. The zappiti pro 4k also allows you to connect zappiti minis to ask as a server for streaming your collection to other tvs. The picture quality on the pro 4k is absolutely amazing
It's going to take a LOT more convincing information than provided here to convince me that I will ever see the value of a $3k investment + cost of physical media before streaming offers an experience that while not "as good" doesn't offer an indistinguishable experience for pennies a day. Honestly I feel like all of these high end media streaming devices were developed when streaming was poor. Today, with a 4k/Atmos capable streaming source like the commercially available Apple TV+, HBO Max, Netflix 4K service, a modern LG OLED TV, a high tier Atmos capable sound bar and a few bucks a month I get what anyone I know would consider the theater experience at home. You're basically paying an extreme tax to get the last 10% and most people will never know the difference.
Some folks can't see or hear a difference. Consider yourself fortunate if you're in that camp and you don't desire the best quality.
@@therealshanelee There a reasonable limit to the return on that kind of money. It's not about want, it's about what's reasonable.
@@jamesg8246 depends on your definition of reasonable. Not everyone thinks the same.
@@therealshanelee Yes I understand.
at that price no I pay streaming service.
This looks really clunky. I would get the high end player and with some hard disks you pay as much as the kaleidescape wich has a much better menu. I don't mind putting a disk in the uhd player but this is kind of nice like watching Netflix.
There is a much better and cheaper way, download original via torrent, buy oppo 203, upgrade oppo 203 power supply to linear, upgrade power plug, upgrade plug to power supply, buy decent hdmi cable, quality is then identical to Panasonic ub9000, yes i bought one but waste of money as oppo is just as good,plus penny doesn't play backups, save all files to hdd, plug into oppo and away you go, its perfect, does dolby vision, cost about £1500 for oppo and to upgrade it, you can go one step further and jailbreak oppo, you can then play 3d iso, but no point if you don't watch 3d
Says this video is unavailable on this device ? Wth
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Seems like a lot of money and steps and time when someone could just easily just put their movie in a 4K disk player and boom.
Right. This is for the “convience” when you can just watch it on a player. If you really needed to watch it on the go all blu rays come with a digital code.
I've got a few hundred discs, 4K BRP on all 5 TVs and a USB BRP on my 'main' PC. They mostly collect dust for the same reason as most people. Easier to stream. I love unneeded tech, but can't see using something like this?
@@SmittyAZ That’s your problem. Buying more than you need. Normal people have 1 maybe 2 4k players considering Xbox and the next gen consoles have then built in. If your collection is collecting dust then that’s also your problem. It’s just as easy when you have everything set up to an activity or a scene, just buy a harmony hub. It literally takes me an extra couple minutes because half of that is me debating on what to watch. Streaming has its place I wouldn’t say it’s better or worse.
@@Chris.Smith420 Exactly. I waste money and personally see no need to spend 3K for ripping. Sounds like you're trying to justify your setup? BTW- I have 3 PS3 and 2 XB hooked up. (Non-gamer) The XBs send Dolby Atmos / Vision to my receiver and TV-last used to stream movies.
@@SmittyAZ Lmao I’m not justifying anything to no one. Guess you can’t see that in showing you an alternative but oh well.
Am I misremembering, or is this case available separately? Maybe not from Zappiti but the OEM that makes it?
There are scripts (github.com/automatic-ripping-machine/automatic-ripping-machine) and docker images (github.com/rix1337/docker-ripper) available to do this on Linux automatically, combine that with Plex or Emby and add in extra's like Sonarr, Radarr, PiHole (whole network adblocker) etc. and you've got yourself a Nas (I'd use TrueNAS as my OS for ZFS) that's way more powerful, secure (due to ZFS and BSD) and I'm not gonna do a full build for this, but I'm sure you can build something for maybe a few hundred bucks without drives? Then you can go crazy and throw an Epyc Embedded 3000 at this thing and you're maybe 1000 bucks out instead. Still only a third of this thing when it comes to price.
You can also get drives cheap by buying external ones and ripping them out of their cages, since they're usually cheaper for some reason. The fat ones have a 3.5" HDD.
They recommend WD Red but pre install WD Blue? Weird.
Its a demo unit
Raspberry pi’s can be used as media players and a cheap pc with a blu-ray drive and a 8 bay hard drive hub can do everything else. There is no need for this device.
The Asus blu-ray player installed on the NAS is NOT SUPPOSED to be able to read UHD discs, how is this magic possible ???
It's almost impossible to read 4k discs on a desktop computer nowadays (look for topics about that problem on the net ! )
Besides, that solution is WWWWWWAAAAYYYYYY too expensive when you can affford any 4k player for less than 200 dollars...
What's the point of this video ?
Did you even watch the video???
@@therealshanelee Hey, I did : )
Your video does not give a CHEAP solution to 4k blu rays owners... Moreover, I expected you to open the NAS and show, at least, how it's made inside...
@@gattaca9287 not understanding your dilemma here. At what point in the video did you think I was going to give a CHEAP solution to 4k blu-ray owners?
It is more better downloading from internet which is far better.
It's not.
@@joeyyung911 it is better
Shane, where is the Zappiti Pro Audiocom Review?
Coming
I can tell you that it’s awesome, easily the best picture I have had from any player - coming from an Oppo 203 previously. Big step up from the one that I also own.
It sort of looks like a QNAP NAS.
"Its a fairly large unit..." thats what she said....
lonewolf82007 o please just stop this already... Its really not funny...
@@aaron0089 thats what she said...
i use to rip my movies DVD thats about 15 years ago ,,, i have so many that i am throwing them away including bluray ,,, they barley make any 4k disc now... this is so obsolete and at this price point its even ridiculous... just use plex and you done, dont bother with this crap
PLEX is easy and convenient but not the best picture and sound quality. That may or may not matter to some.
Why so difficult to just get up the couch to change the disk? Only Suitable for lazy people.
If you have hundreds or thousands of disc it becomes time consuming looking for disc yet alone changing them out.
@@themuvieguy2743 just organize properly still be no problem.
Cannot get behind this product, price is wickedly inflated, lacks dolby vision, big and clunky.
This is an apple type product, if i was going to burn thay much cash, i would ratger save more and get the kaleidoscope.
Atleast you would get far better quality then 4k disc and dolby vision.
Each to there own, but if you already own 500+ Blu rays/UHDs then the K is a massively expensive option - to replace my library would have cost me over £30k for the k 😳
kaleidoscope is not a guarantee to be better then the 4k disk. They have the ability but side by side you may not get a better picture the a 4k Disk.
3:06 Where’s the FBI input? This is for extreme pir8 & distrib only. WiFi? That’s always safe!
Don’t drop the soap.
just use plex with Roku or Nvidia shield this is just overpiced don't even start is easy to use because plex is not rocket science
No.
Id just download from pirate Bay, copy to my nas, and stream using plex
Is this really legal?🤔
Kaleidescape tried this in it's original days. It got sued, fought it in court, and lost.
@@RandomUserName92840 Little more to Kaleidescape then that. This was all about there disk vaults. It was a mess on both parties. As pertaining to Zappiti, its different. Depending on where you are in the world, laws vary. Most agree that if you can rip your movies from Disk, then you need to save the disk, file it away. Do not share and defiantly do not upload them to and web sites.
You lost me at "activate".
Men. Just use a computer everbody has one
not very practical when there are much easier ways to do this and thousands cheaper.
8 what lol just buy the movies instead lol
4:22 RAID 5 sucks. Don't use it. RAID 10 is better
What stop somebody from buying 4K Blu-rays ripping them with this machine and then just returning them.
You can't return movies once you take the wrapping off.
@@therealshanelee Sure you can my friend does it all the time. He just reseals them and then returns them all the time.
@@TheChefComic not judging but that's kind of dishonest.
@@therealshanelee I agree so I am worried that this machine would just put gasoline in what people are already doing.