A Major Reason Why Disneyland Gave Up On Tomorrowland
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- čas přidán 4. 06. 2024
- TOMORROWLAND IS A COMPLETE TEAR DOWN - Disneyland Park's west end has undergone significant improvements over the past five years, while the east end of Tomorrowland has been completely ignored. Hey, Brickey! explains why Disney has officially given up on Tomorrowland and why it will likely be torn down, but only in the distant future.
Star Tours is still a better ride than Smugglers Run.
I absolutely agree.
Way better
Why? (Not trolling, genuine curiosity)
Yes!
Because only the pilots have control of the game. The gunners and engineers in the back are just pushing buttons@@BruceKenobi
I don't hate Tomorrowland, but I hate that significant improvements have seemingly been abandoned for guests who can't afford to get behind the paywall.😫
The DVC lounge is not a significant improvement, it’s just a nice lounge on the second floor of the carousel theatre that has been empty for years for DVC members to rest and get a drink, it didn’t cost Disney much at all to build. The entire second floor of New Orleans square is behind an even bigger pay wall as the very expensive and exclusive Club 33 is there, even the very nice court of angels is now behind this wall. Disney nowadays is all about pandering to the rich, if you’re poor they don’t even want you at their parks.
The one thing Star Tours has that Galaxies Edge doesn’t, is the feeling and connection to the Original Trilogy. The cue is one of the best in the world.
Couldn't agree more👏👏👏
I think Star Tours should be moved to Galaxy's Edge. However what you said is the main argument against it. How can real Star Wars mix with Disney fan fiction?
@@eljefemaximo5420 I think that Star Tours should stay in Tomorrowland. I like the idea of going to a tour company outside of Battu. That's just my opinion.
Honestly, I would rather ride Star Tours over Smugglers Run. Smugglers is the same ride each time, and only really fun when you're the pilot. I love walking through the Falcon, but it's not a must do for me. And Star Tours' wait is significantly less
Totally, they need to add more missions to Smugglers run
The submarine lagoon is a beautiful open space. Disneyland is a small footprint and the lagoon adds asthetic value especially with its proximity to the iconic Matterhorn. WDW with its significantly larger real estate maximizes what is essentially beautiful landscaping to enhance the immersive experience. The submarine ride could be changed in some manner, but don't rip out what is in itself iconic. "Progress" isn't always successful or necessary. Just look at actual city planning in Los Angeles and how neighborhoods or certain buildings were bulldozed and replaced with generic developments. All that unique civic flavor was lost forever. Los Angeles is notorious for poor city planning. No need to do the same in Disneyland which is as much a magnificent art piece as it is a moneymaking theme park.
Agree, would be nice to just restore the greatness.
I personally don’t care about the submarine ride itself, but I think that water feature is really important to that area of the park. It would be a travesty to get rid of that.
I love it but would love frozen to replace Tomorrowland the lagoon could be a fjord and Matterhorn could be the north mountain with marshmallow as the yeti
I remember Tomorrowland as a kid and loving to get up on the Rockets Jets just as the fireworks were starting. Tomorrowland used to have all this kinetic energy, the Tomorrowland Stage going up and down, The Carousel of Progress spinning, the People Mover moving throughout, the Subs, and the Monorail coming through. Tomorrowland needs that centerpiece that has motion, sound and light and for it be a destination, even a shaded elevated area to people watch down below would be appreciated. 😊
Space mountain is literally the best ride in the entire resort. I do agree Tomorrowland has been neglected big time at Disneyland to bring up Tomorrowland is to bring back the peoples mover for a start. Then to get a new attraction on there then to get it some new paint etc but to get rid of the original space mountain is not a good idea you can still open up that land behind and keep the same space mountain just fix the walkways to go around to get to that part of the land and add a new thrilling attraction behind the already great space mountain.
It does need a major overhaul but my fear is that they will replace 6 rides with 2 or 3. The subs are unique and classic but I wouldn’t mind a new theme. Autopia could be easily switched to electric cars and give it maybe a futuristic Tron aesthetic. Put Astro orbiter back where it used to be and rebuild the People mover tracks. Star Tours could be rethemed easily enough.
I Absolutely Agree with everything you said. 👍
I am a huge Star Wars geek and really appreciate Galaxy’s Edge and think Rise of the Resistance is Disney at its best. I like walking through the Millennium Falcon to ride Smuggler’s Run. Yet, I find the antiquated Star Tours more fun than Smuggler’s Run. If they tear down Tomorrowland, they should move some of the Star Tours movie elements to the cockpit sections on the Falcon. The video game graphics don’t work so well, and if you’re not the pilot or copilot, you just get bored.
Excellent analysis. As I've said before, if they are going to fix Tomorrowland, the whole southern half of the the land has to come down and be rebuilt. It just isn't built for the needs, and with all of Peoplemover in it, you gotta pull it out.
The problem is that the Lagoon is really popular. It makes Disneyland Disneyland, in my opinion. While it is true that Autopia and the Submarines probably do need to be replaced, because they do chew up a lot of real estate in such a tiny park, the Lagoon overall is a big boon, and while the rides for that part of the park are slowly dying, I don't know if removing it all is long term desirable. Let's face it, it's So Cal. That pond and shaded area is a boon overall, and helps make the summer tolerable. It's going to be tricky what to do with that area.
The main avenue, though? Complete redo. Just toss it and start over. We've done it before. Peoplemover didn't always exist, after all. We can do it again.
Well said!
Yes, if the current Peoplemover needs to be torn out in order to rebuild a new and improved one, then so be it. It should always be part of Disneyland.
I did a live on TikTok talking about the abandoned buildings and wasted space etc. I’m so glad you covered this. I referred to it as an abandoned mall.
It's a eye sore. Tomorrowland is a monument to the failures and folly of both Eisner and Iger. I would love to see the wrecking ball go there bringing back a new Tomorrowland void of IPs
Great update and you confirmed a lot of observations I had connected together over the last year or so. Look forward to more updates as Disneyland Forward unfolds.
Awesome, thank you! Appreciate you watching the premiere with me and bringing up so many good points
I fear there’s too much asbestos in Tomorrow Land to ever rip it all out.
They will certainly have to do a lot of hazardous material removal.
Great update. Can't wait to see NOS when it's finished. Very curious to see what happens to Tomorrowland... But it works like we'll be waiting a while for that!
*It's called Tomorrow Land, because it's gonna be the same land tomorrow.*
You said it. New Orleans Square and that whole area DIDN'T NEED ANYTHING while Tomorrowland NEEDED EVERYTHING. That's where they made their mistake. Nothing wrong with adding to an already great area, but there is something wrong when you're doing that while another area needs to be fixed. We should be halfway into this new rebuild of Tomorrowland ALREADY while doing the rest of the improvements to the West much later.
The problem is that fixing Tomorrowland means shutting down the entire land for 5+ years while they tear down almost everything and build something new in its place that is up to code and ADA compliant. That is a HUGE loss of capacity (i.e. lost ticket revenue) for years, not mention significant and unavoidable construction impacts on the guest experience everywhere around Tomorrowland.
@@AStageForTheKingdom They can do parts of it at a time. The connections are basically just the old Peoplemover/Rocket Rod tracks. No need to redo all of that at once since there hasn't been a ride there for over 20 years. Also, the innovation/Launch Bay building can come down and not too many people would miss it nor are many people even going in there. You could do this by taking 1 ride down for a short period of time to fix or replace that section of track then bring the ride back up and move on to the next section. This keeps things compliant and has minimal impacts on capacity.
I couldn’t agree more with your assessment of what needs to happen in Tomorrowland. It’s time for a major reno. Even with Space Mountain being right in the center of Tomorrowland, this neighborhood can be salvaged and improved. Personally, I think Space Mountain is the only thing in Tomorrowland worth saving at all.
Never been to Disneyland but I am surprised at the neglect of Tomorrowland. And I will never understand why the PeopleMover has never been repaired. 🤷♂️
He said why in the video. The PeopleMover track is part of the structural elements of the buildings in Tomorrowland, AND it's not up to modern building codes. You can't fix that without tearing down those buildings.
Disney officials have said the track is too messed up. It’s too costly to repair. They had wanted to bring the People Movers back, but that’s the reason why they couldn’t. And the track is still there as it holds up a lot of the structures in that land.
I have to say, I waffle between my nostalgic love for Autopia and subs and the thought that something truly groundbreaking (hehe) could be put in that spot. The fact that Star Tours is my daughter's favorite attraction is a reminder that every ride and attraction is the favorite of thousands of people, maybe more, so if they remove anything they better be damn sure they have a home run lined up to replace it. That goes ten fold for opening day attractions which Autopia absolutely is. There better be a grand slam lined up to replace that one.
Exactly!,i grew up with Star Tours and it’s still one of my favorites!
As a person, who loved People Mover, AT&T Presents Circle Vision 360, Adventures in Inner Space, especially Carousel of Progress, and of course Skyway, I recommend Disney do the following:
Rename Tomorrowland
1. Memoryland: (Maybe the theme to Cats playing????)
2. Cemeteryland
Aside from filling up the hole in the Matterhorn, another memory, Disney now needs to bulldoze the entire land.
I recommend instead of the Carousel of Progress adding in a Spaceship Earth merged with Carousel of Progress, next gen ride.
Yes, I vote for a return of the old classics in new form.
Such a great update! We so appreciate your staying on top of these things and filling us in and answering our “whys” and “when’s” of what’s going on in our beloved Disneyland.
Thanks. That makes me happy to hear.
Tomorrow isn't as simple of a fantasy as in the past. I suppose the area could be re-themed into "Retro land" with 50's style aliens etc
There’s a rumor that Disney gets some sort of incentive for keeping the subs open.
It’s true
Just got back from WDW… Tomorrowland can be so amazing, I just didn’t realize how much better it can be.
If they could just get the good parts working again, it would be nice. :/
Hey! Great Video!! I knew I had to save this one to watch for when I could actively listen. Keep up the great work, thanks for your insights. Curious to see what Disney has up their sleeves!
Brickey, You knew Tomorrowland's day's were numbered when Michael Eisner's contribution to it's future was, "I think it would look more like Coloardo." Imagineers were so pissed with his help, that's why they planted edible plants throughout the area. To give it a Colorado feel and future vibe. Cheers, Chris Perry.
Well done Brickey. I saw you there making this video. I like your analysis here. Very in depth.
The other big thing to pay attention to with the redo of the Haunted Mansion queue is how much of it they have to rip up to make it ADA compliant. Now imagine them having to do the same thing with the entirety of Tomorrowland to make it ADA compliant and up to every other modern building code.
Very well done! It is fascinating to look back at all of the latest construction projects and see them all connected.
Great info, Brickey. You are so astute to the goings and comings of things at disney. I hope that your vision will come true to bring a new and exciting new disney for future visits.
As long as Bob Gurr is alive, they won't touch Autopia.
Thank you for your insightful and well researched vlog, Brickey, giving us all a lot to think about. Change is certain!….
It's hard for me to visit the park. I've been going since 1969 and worked there for 8 years, I opened Toontown...but now it's trying to be Universal Studios.
It's just one big commercial for films.
The immersion is gone.
Change is inevitable but the kind of change I see is short-sighted and opportunistic.
I love Autopia and SPACE MOUNTAIN! The submarines are so nostalgic, however from the very beginning, I feel Tomorrowland has a lot of empty space and wasted opportunity…
Really like where you are going with your channel. Keep up the good work!!
Thanks! I appreciate that. Working hard to add something different to the space.
Hey Brickey....Can you tell Disney to upgrade the screen experience at Toy Story Mania....Surely the technology is available.......
Or..... while the westside gets it's improvements (which took years to plan), they could be planning the eastside improvements (which I agree it desperately needs).
I love your channel!! I find your videos so invigorating and thought provoking. LOVE it! Keep it up!
Thanks!
Really enjoyed this video bricky! Keep it up!
Congrats on 29K subs Brickey!! 🎉🎉🎉 I have to agree something has to happen in the Tomorrowland area is just a wasted space sitting and waiting for a change 😔. Back in the late 80’s and mid 90’s Tomorrowland used to have another vibe with the people mover and the skyway, now I try to avoid that area 😅.
This was a great topic, Brickey. Disney George and I were at MK last week and boy, even our Tomorrowland is looking rough!
Thanks for the video bricky. Are any of these entrances and lagoon, autopia have historical significance that can’t be demolished? Sometimes in Australian cities having this doesn’t help as they have a lot of money and the developers will significantly remodel it or add to the building. They’ve done this to a 150 year old building in Sydney and add a skyscraper on top of the historic building as they couldn’t demolish the building.
I personally love the Astro Orbiter and would absolutely miss it. Great kinetic energy and it’s basically the only true ride on the hub (I’m not counting Main Street Vehicles).
“No one would miss the Astro Orbiter?” How dare you, sir! I have deeply sentimental love for the AO, and I’m not sure it’s going to be open during my upcoming trip and I’m very sad about that
I really enjoy your streams and your knowledge about Disney. Thank you.😊
About Autopia, it’s really nice for little kids, but I do agree that it doesn’t need that much space, they should IMO update it, make it half the size and a two or three laps ride and the submarines are historic and I think that the lagoon adds a lot to the park’s aesthetics, it looks very nice, but I do agree that the current version with Nemo is lame and a waste of space, so it’s a huge space that could have a much better use indeed, but for me not for a new land, but for new Tomorrowland rides, attractions and dining locations… an updated mission space and restaurant from Epcot would be a nice addition for Tomorrowland for instance, so would be an updated test track.
that didn't work for Journey into imagination
Love the optimism in your video. Most other YT Disney videos are criticisms and downers (not that they’re not justified) and I’m glad to see Disney improving their parks. Maybe a video about this turnaround from the cost-cutting years?
As non-locals who only get to visit once a year or every other year, we still think Star Tours is fun! It usually has a short wait time and is great to do when we're in Tomorrowland for Space Mountain and/or the Monorail. (Or to get the chicken fusilli at Pizza Planet.)
The Mark Twain is looking sweet 🤩😍Great update. Very much intrigued by the possibilities for Tomorrow Land. 🤞 Thanks, Brickey
They could rework Peoplemover to sn actual transit system, same track system and switchable guideway. 10:27 starview lounge is Useless 10:55 reopen Space Place in Space Mountain Queue 11:40
Pirates was down for several months the year before last and they added the transition scene
You are correct! When I was editing I remembered that I had totally forgot about them redoing the entry
They need to make Tomorrowland kinda like Disney Paris, a retro version of the future. Only American retro, not steam punk. It would be timeless and beautiful. Maybe. 50s version of the future
I think going back to the vision of the future Tomorrowland had when the park was new, so the 1950's/1960's Jetson's aesthetic, is a good idea thematically. A lot of the infrastructure from back then is still in place I think so it could be more cost effective unless they really do plan on tearing down everything and building back up from scratch and having an old school prediction of what the future would look like helps keep everything timeless since Midcentury Modernism is basically "historic" now. If Disney were to try and make Tomorrowland more like what we'd consider futuristic today then that's eventually going to get tired and outdated 20-30 years from now also.
@@colbystearns5066 exactly
Last time we visited Disneyland, we spent 2 days there and only stepped into Tomorrowland for about 5 min to check one of the shops.
When I step into Tomorrowland, I also check out the same shop, if you are talking about Star Traders. But I don’t leave before also riding Space Mountain and Star Tours. But, I do agree that Tomorrowland is in absolute need of a complete make over.
I like star tours more than I did the Millenium falcon ride. Ima be sad when it’s gone.
We are walking in to rise
Thanks for a wonderful video. Note that just because the People Mover tracks rely on structural components of the buildings through which it runs does not mean the exterior tracks cannot be removed (and relatively easily at that).
So glad you made this video today! We are currently at the park and spent the last five days concluding that Tomorrowland is going to get ripped out completely. Seeing all of the careful detail all around the park and the complete neglect of Tomorrowland - really only one conclusion- they have no plans to save it and plan to rip it out. Doesn’t make sense to keep Star Tours in “Tomorrowland” when there is a Star Wars land. Would love to see Buzz Light Year show up at Pixar Pier, no novelty in driving in Autotopia (only Nostalgia, but it takes up so much space!). Thanks for he videos, great information and I think your conclusion is spot on!
Brickey you are blowing my mind. It is all making sense now and I hope those permits get approved so we get to see this new vision...I just hope not too much of these improvements fall upon the consumer
Great video! I feel like something is going to have to happen to Tomorrowland someday, but sadly likely MANY years away. I know another CZcamsr says it is “nearly perfect”, but I don’t agree. It really needs a complete re-do. I just hope I am still alive to see it.
No doubt Disney has some sort of longterm roadmap for Tomorrowland, the Esplanade and security areas. Would be so awesome to see that.
Far far from perfect
Last trip had a marvelous Autopia ride. Omg it was glorious. Loved it as a kid too. Ah well. Obvs some day sadly it will be gone…
Some solution to Peoplemover has gotta be possible… At least to remove the track & let in some light. Sigh. Miss it a lot.
DVC Lounge? Supremely supremely totally ridiculous waste of space.
Last time I visited DL as a kid I saw signs “future site of Space Mountain” Returned 24 yrs later, so obvs I can wait some things out. But I do hope to live long enough to see some real Tomorrowland improvement! Good luck to us all.
So here's what I'm manifesting (lol) - Once the city allows for rezoning, your predictions regarding changing all the "wasted" space and the new parking lot gets built. Then they can really give love to Tomorrowland that it DESPERATELY needs. Screw any additions - let's fix what we already have. Its a complete obsolete concept of a land and one that will never be "futuristic" enough but to stick to a time period of "sci-fi" like the mid-century remodel they're doing in DTD as the monorail drops off in Tomorrowland, can connect and be ONE thematic experience. I'm hoping they tear it down completely as the PM runs through it all and because of its disastrous damage from prior leadership decisions - they can really start from ground zero and give Tomorrowland the JUSTICE it DESERVES!
Idk why but i love Star Tours! It's not a day at Disneyland unless I ride that ride.
The area that features the submarines, the train station, the Autopia and the Monorail station is just fine and very kinetic. But Tomorrowland has a problem with the area around the carousel building, Space Mountain and the Pizza Port. Too many empty spaces.
At Disney World,Tomorrowland looks ungainly and dated. The Carousel of Progress has become a half-broken relic. The Speedway is nothing like the Autopia. The building that had housed Stitch's Escape has been empty for nearly 4 years. And the Monsters Inc show belongs at Hollywood Studios, not Tomorrowland.
Autopia is a nice relaxing ride that's nostalgic and fun when it has a short wait. That being said, we don't do it every visit.
The subs were a one-and-done for us - too claustrophobic 😅
I'm a never again submarine passenger as well
I prefer they add instead of tearing down existing attractions & then replacing them with something new. As for backstage areas to the southeast behind Tomorrowland, don't know how much of that can be demolished & added to public space. But the non-public SE corner of DCA certainly seems like it can be ripped out & replaced. However, employees & maintenance crews in both parks do need areas for themselves, so acreage hidden to visitors may be more necessary than assumed. Re: community opposition a few years ago to the huge parking structure proposed for east of Harbor Blvd ("We don't want to lose our access to potential customers!!") must have slowed down the pace.
I'd be willing to bet that they could put a lot of that infrastructure underground or otherwise build attraction space above it.
My honest thoughts on what should be changed regarding Tomorrowland:
Tomorrowland was always a place to emphasize edutainment, educate people and children on the future and future technologies through attractions and entertainment. That idea has been so obviously lost to replace everything with IP and cheap, quick changes to save money. So with that in mind, here's what I feel would probably be best for Tomorrowland (this is my opinion so take it with a grain of salt).
1. Astro blasters has to go, keep the omni mover ride system and track layout and if possible try to keep the interactive elements to it, instead have it focus on futuristic societies and cities. Again this is just like loose ideas so I'm not gonna go fully in depth but you get the idea.
2. Move Star Tours over to Galaxy's Edge, perhaps creating a more modern and better version of it over there. As for Tomorrowland, keep the current Star Tours system and focus on space travel, exploring the stars with tons of different adventures, open for hijinks and education at the same time. Also, the current jankiness of Star Tours' system works perfect as current space travel is a rough venture and so would add to how difficult space travel really is.
3. Move Astro orbiter back over to being on top of the People mover station and of course bring back the People mover. The People mover is too crucial to the structural integrity of the buildings, plus the aesthetic of multi layered, vertical transportation on the ground and off gives a great futuristic look to the area. Fix up the track, update it to modern standards and it could be very solid in improving the atmosphere of the land.
4. Bring back Carousel of Progress, modernize the show scenes and improve the animatronics and perhaps add scenes showcasing the future and the near possible future. The current one is already becoming outdated so it could work to bring a new and updated version to Disneyland.
5. Space Mountain is perfect as is, perhaps just remodel the outside show building to that of what Tokyo Disneyland is gonna do to just update aesthetics.
6. Bring back the theater, show a new film on the future, similar to Captain EO but a little more modernized of course.
7. Starcade could honestly just be converted into an exhibit showcasing newer technologies and things to come in the near future.
8. Now on to Submarine Voyage and Autopia. First with Submarine Voyage, either bring back 20,000 leagues updated to modern technologies or a new under sea adventure. Make it totally original with no IP and emphasize deep sea exploration technology and education on the ocean. With Autopia I genuinely have no clue what you could do as it's not something that can really be updated to the future, perhaps just a new attraction or experience showcasing the future of cars, a smaller version of Test Track I honestly don't totally know.
9. This would be like the secondary option to Autopia and Submarine Voyage and would almost 100% not happen, but just completely remove both rides for multiple brand new experiences. Or, and this won't happen but it's fun to think, bring Tron over to that area. Tron could be the big IP ride of the land and still focus on a realistic future that fits with the rest of Tomorrowland. Now of course the hard part is the monorail as it would be cutting right through that area but if they could make it work I feel that that could also work.
Again all of this is my opinion so like I said take it with a grain of salt.e
The Finding Nemo Subs are a unique and beautiful attraction.
Disney officials have told me in the past that they know there is public interest in bringing the People Movers back. Disneyland has wanted to bring them back. The issue is the tracks are messed up from that previous ride they put in there after it. It’s too costly to fix the tracks, so it’s been put on the back burner indefinitely. And as you nailed, the tracks can’t be taken out because they’re attached to all of the structures. And I’m sure right that after three decades they may finally fix that land once and for all.
Tommorowland in DL is like walking through a cluttered garage
I think FreshBaked! would disagree with you about the importance of Autopia, the Submarine Lagoon, and the Astro Orbiter. 😊
Whatever replaces Tomorrowland needs kineticism, which is what the monorail, Autopia, submarines, Orbiter, and PeopleMover (formerly) provide. While I welcome a complete rebuild of Tomorrowland, I'm worried that the end result will be as stale and stagnant as Galaxy's Edge. Tomorrowland, in its current state, is densely packed with attractions and handles a lot af guests. Any Tomorrowland replacement needs to meet or exceed the variety and volume of attractions. Just look at the How To Train Your Dragon land being built at Universal Epic Universe--it has four outdoor attractions that all provide movement and activity to the land.
Ok here goes:
Tomorrowland should showcase the many eras of science fiction and futurism through the decades.
Keep astro orbiters. Its a nice, kinetic welcome to the land.
Remove autopia and replace it with a steampunk land and a journey to the center of the earth dark ride. Have an automaton show akin to tiki room and country bear jamboree. It can flow through to the back of small world and the steampunk/small world themes can be meshed thematically.
In line with the steampunk jules verne theming, bring the submarine ride back to 20,000 leagues under the sea.
Star wars launch bay can be replaced with a giant ENCOM building from the original Tron film and make a trackless dark thrill ride based on the 1982 classic. This will cover the 1980s age of computers and video games sci fi.
Keep pizza planet and space mountain.
Remove the theater and bring back an updated version of inner space for that 1950s sci fi feel.
Keep star tours and update the queue to feel like a more vibrsnt space port hub set in the star wars universe to maintain the 70s science fantasy theme.
Remove buzz lightyear and galactic grill area to create a massive cyberpunk area which can house all new food areas and bring back starcade. Make a buzz lightyear themed shooting gallery similar to the frontierland one and make it multi leveled.
And finally bring back people mover...and in a perfect world the skyway.
So you end up with all of the most popular visions of the future from jules verne steampunk, 50s science, 70s space, 80s computers and phillip k dicks cyberpunk.
My 2c anyway
Fascinating! I know that in many ways, Disney is siloed, with separate plans for Disneyland and WDW Magic Kingdom. I'd like to see your analysis of Tomorrowland in Florida, kind of compare and contrast. Good stuff, hombre. Keep it up.
Great points with sound reasoning. When I looked at a map of the park, and ran my cursor around the Tomorrowland area, I was actually surprised at the physical size of it. It's pretty much 2/5ths of the park. Given the need to tear down a lot of stuff to do it, the infrastructure that would need to be rebuilt, and the capex required, I think they might look even further out than Disneyland Next to do it. Assuming they need to shut down 2 restaurants, the Train, Monorail, Submarines, Buzz, Autopia, Star Tours and Space Mountain for a substantial period, it makes sense that they would have those other new Next lands & attractions up and running beforehand.
My thoughts exactly. Once the new stuff for DIsneyland Forward opens up, Tomorrowland will get bulldozed.
Sorry, I'm for keeping (and refurbishing) Star Tours because it's THE ONLY THING IN THE PARK DEDICATED TO THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY!!
I hate that you're right. I do NOT want to say goodbye to Star Tours, and DEFINITELY not Buzz.
Totally agree with you on the Tomorrowland, it needs to go and a whole new land needs to be developed in its place. Watching your videos makes me excited and have high hopes for Disney forward. Everything you explain makes perfect sense in why they aren’t really doing much with Hollywood land and the security and tomorrow land part of the park.
Carousel is still vacant, Peoplemover track quiet, and Motorboat Cruise isnt cruising. 2:06 treehouse isn't Swiss Family, and the crypt exit isnt a way out of Haunted Mansion.
You're right I definitely deserve better
Yes! 100% agree. Autopia and Nemo take up a lot of space. I avoid Autopia because of the exhaust smell and migraine inducing squeaking breaks. Bring in the demolition team. 7:46
There are so many new technologies that Disney could take advantage of to really make it a "tomorrow land". They really should just close off the whole land, level the place and turn it into one of the most fascinating technological marvels that earth has to offer and I guarantee it will bring the crowds.
We deserve much, much better. Having experienced the 1967 Tomorrowland, it started dying when the Carousel of Progress left - in my opinion.
The final nail on the coffin was the loss of the Peoplemover and the relocation of the Astro Jets.
They should just raze that whole area and build a sci-fi oriented land that’s not tied to technological advancement. Call it Galaxyland and call it a day.
Maybe it will end up being the land they never gets any love in my life time. DIsneylandForward might get in the way before they even touch Tomorrowland. The Subs will never die 🤿
Yea it takes a lot of space, and offers lots of opportunity, but Tomorrow Land is for kids! Waaayyy too many adults trying to tear it down because they forgot what it’s like to be an excited 7 year old. Ask a little one if they like Autopia, Star Tours, Astro Orbiters. My kids: “YEA!“
Upgrade? Yes. Complete tear down? No
The good thing about the People Mover relic is that it provides shade in that area!
Hello Brickey. Dave and I have said several times that Tomorrow Land never gets any updates. Except for new paint and design on the Star Tour building. We hadn’t thought about tearing it all down and rebuild something new; but the idea makes sense! Thanks for your thoughts. Have a great weekend! ❤
That's like saying f****** matter. Horn will be no more fun to ride out daily , give me a parade
Well, I really think it’s odd to suggest the only way to fix Tomorrowland is bulldozing it down. Penny pinching Disney only do piecemeal updates on the west side. People Mover tracks only need to be removed on the outside. There’s no point to remove the inside tracks. Space Mountain was already updated with new tracks. Nothing wrong with Buzz Lightyear and Star Tours. All they need to do is remove Autopia and Innoventions Building and put in the Tron cycle ride, but make it an outside ride instead. Astro Orbitor can be moved inside the land or remain where it is.
@@gregr3720A Cycle ride has been rumored since Jedi speeder bike ride on the People Mover tracks decades ago. There’s a long history of it being blue sky’d in the park. Tomorrowland had a blue sky with Tron ride at least 5 years ago or a retheme to Captain America.
Tomorrowland is not up to modern building codes. As I understand it, redoing any of it requires bringing ALL of it into compliance with modern building codes. which pretty much entails a full teardown.
@@AStageForTheKingdom A demolition is just that. New project can be developed without any involvement of People Mover tracks, which no one expects to return as an attraction in any form. They haven’t touched the submarines. How many times have they redone the Carousel of Progress? It’s still there as a building as recently as Innoventions.
While Tomorrowland is a mess, I can't imagine they'd ever get rid of the land entirely. I also really really hope they never replace Space Mountain like they are doing in Tokyo. With Tokyo's SM closing this year, Anaheim's Space Mountain will be the only version left with that fantastic track layout. I'd rather they just build another space themed coaster in the autopia plot!
I’d be curious how this suggestion could even become reality because again as a former cast member there really isn’t much useable backstage area behind the existing space mountain. There exists the same backstage building that you can see from the monorail but other than a road under the train (there’s a tunnel heading toward Main Street station that you can see when you’re backstage) you’re pretty much at harbor Blvd on the other side of the building/tunnel.
Tear down all of Tomorrowland and build a new Space Mountain and the Tron ride.
Brilliant - Tomorrowland is in sorry shape - super exciting hear your analysis
Tomorrowland got a minor makeover in 1998 the rocket rods which didn't stay so with that being said tomorrowland really hasn't been updated since the 60s Disney needs to breathe the new life into tomorrowland it's nostalgic for me. I grew up with it but they need to revamp it. I hate seeing that space wasted.
@HeyBrickey What I want for Tomorrowland, is to retain Walt’s ideals but bring attractions up further into the future as Walt wanted. I do disagree on what you were saying about changing the land where Autopia is. Let’s not forget that this park is for kids first. Putting restaurants & shopping in its place of Autopia just so Disney can make more money is the exact opposite of what Walt wanted.
The new eastern gateway is definitely a prerequisite before anything else can happen assuming the city votes in their favor in a couple months.
Because Disneylands ground level is essentially a second floor, I wonder if it would be possible to eventually carve out tunnels from Harbor to the center of both parks. That would create a ton of available space for new development 🤔
It would be cool to see Wakanda expanded in Tomorrowland because in their storyline they have more advanced technology than the rest of the world. Tron would be an interesting choice to expand in Tomorrowland as well- although I am not as familiar with Tron- just spitballing.
I still love Star Tours, but I really wish they would relocate it to Galaxy's Edge. It feels super weird that it's still in Tomorrow Land. Star Wars (especially the animated series) has been making use of the Star Tours ship and droid pilot concept pretty frequently, so moving it and transforming it to fit into the Galaxy's Edge motif would be awesome.
But in general, Tomorrowland is super disappointing and feels neglected. (But the food at Galactic Grill has been really great lately. 😄)
Great update.
Disneyland Forward Tomorrowland Question: Conventional wisdom is Eastern Gateway 2.0 project could expand DCA north. Alternative take, they could be waiting for DF approval to greenlight the Tomorrowland update because they could expand Tommorrowland south by adding a show building between current monorail track & Harbor BLVD.
Did you watch the video? All of this is covered.
@@HeyBrickey You're right. I didn't watch the whole video. Love it and totally agree with you!
So true! You are right on Brickey!
Autopia sits atop the show building for 20,000 leagues, space mountain is actually the 2nd space mountain that was built and is not “OG” anything. Tomorrowland suffers from the reality that ‘tomorrow’ always becomes ‘today’. It is an iconic part of Disneyland that has evolved several times over the years.