REVIEW STROMER ST3 WITH 9-SPEED PINION AND ABS | WOULD I BUY IT?
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- čas přidán 24. 06. 2024
- This video is about the Stromer ST3 speed-pedelec with a 9-speed Pinion gearbox and Anti Locking Brake System ABS. But would I buy it? Watch the videoreview!
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00:00 Begin
00:32 Leader
00:44 About me (Like and subscribe please ❤️)
01:30 Again a ST3?
02:11 A holiday speed-pedelec
03:12 Size and weight
05:15 About Stromer
06:30 Fork and frame
08:36 The motor
09:06 Battery & charging
11:15 Test circumstances
12:18 Electrics and OMNI app
14:03 Support modes and lights
15:29 Horn....
16:23 Pinion and Gates drivetrain
20:54 Batterylife
24:01 Riding with panniers
25:14 The carrier
26:29 The Screen: I don't like it!
28:32 Riding comfort
30:32 ABS Brakes?
34:48 Regenerative braking
35:38 Prices
37:44 My verdict
40:17 Like and subscribe (please ❤️)
41:27 What's next
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So far the best review online of the ST3 pinion. I have the same bike but without the ABS. I ordered it with ABS but when delivery was near they told me the Imperial Red version could not delivered with ABS because it would not fit inside the frame?? I could skip to the black version but hey..Imperial Red. So no ABS now and with some exercising on slippery roads I learned how to brake. The horn is indeed something of a joke. Especially in rainy weather it goes almost to zero noise. I have solved it with a front wheel blade extender from a 3D printer company called Van Zijp Techniek and also added a 3D printed cap over the horn hole and problem is solved. Still the horn is a bit stupid so I added the best bell on my bike, the Spurcycle bell and O Boy…that sounds great and so beautifull, almost do not use the horn anymore. I am very happy with this amazing bike and yes… the prize is ….well, lets say this, a bit high. But I calculated the fact that I am not using my car anymore for commuting and that saves me a ton of money and not to forget the pleasure you will get biking and looking at all the car jams around you. For me this is one of the best buys so far and it makes me smile every day, gives me a healthy feeling and nature loves it. Some warning is needed, other bikes and especially cars don’t understand the speed that is coming towards them so adjust your riding speed when needed and you will have admiring looks and thumbs up. Looking forward to the future because this revolution will not stop. Thanks for your great review!!
Hi Jan, Thank you so much 🙏 for your great comment and sharing your experience. I like your horn solution! Speed and traffic.... sometimes scary. Thank you so mucht for the ☕. Enjoy Biking and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Another victim of the imperial red here. 😉 I also extended the front mudguard with a solution from tekku in Switzerland. Thanks for the tip with Van Zijp! I was searching for something to close the small hole in the rear mudguard with and they have just that. 👍🏻
I started with an ST2, almost everything was changed on the bike.
Almost under warranty but how many times I found myself on the side of the road pushing it (I took out breakdown insurance so much that it was serious).
How many days off or recovery time I had to take because I didn't arrive on time.
How many days the bike was at the dealership (we're talking in months over 3 years).
In principle I do 10,000Km/year I sold the bike with 28,000Km, when it should have had almost 40,000Km!!!
I still had to take care of a lot of repairs (fork bearings, front wheel bearings, etc.)
Info from the salesperson, I had no luck, it was the Monday bike.
I keep my confidence and after 4 years on the ST2, I buy an ST3
Woe is me, even more problems.
The bike had not yet left the showroom when the front headlight was not working properly, the brakes were mounted in reverse (front for rear and vice versa).
Today the bike has 9000 km over 2 years, I should have had almost 18,000 km
It has been at the dealership an incredible number of times for non-stop repairs.
Still the majority under warranty, but still with the same drawbacks.
At my expense fork bearings at 2000Km, broken spokes on the front wheel (then it was replaced under warranty), recently, front wheel bearings.
The bike is not even 2 years old and I am more than €500 out of my pocket in repairs which should be covered by STROMER
The bike is not entry-level, I bought it for almost €9,000
I can only advise anyone against buying a STROMER, they all have problems.
And as long as you are under warranty, you will only get a small amount :)
Regularly it is necessary to replace the motor wheel (1500€), the front wheel, the brake set, the motherboard, the control console, the V-shaped headlight, etc.
Great review, very useful! I just bought a Stromer ST2 Pinion and I live in Switzerland, I can tell you, that the regenerative braking is GREAT! I live uphill and going down on a pretty steep road, I can enable the max or second-max regen level, and don’t have to use the brakes at all.
Hi Massimiliano, Thanks for sharing your thoughts and that it works 😄. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Awesome video. I started watching the video for most of the scenery until you went into details of Stromer ST3 and was blown away. Really, really a great job. As for the scenery in the Netherlands makes me want to visit. Again, great job👍
Hi Lou, Thanks for your comment 😄. Yeah, it can be pretty here in our small flat country. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Another great review, how are you keep on doing it...haha. Even I am not into that kind of bikes I did enjoy your review. Keep the great reviews rolling. Thank you.
Thank you so much for the kind words Christopher🙏. How I manage... good question. I have been busy for the last couple of months with commercial jobs, but I miss making my own stuff. It does not bring me money (yet), but the energy that I get from doing the writing, shooting and editing for my own channel and the responses I get.... Simple too good. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Thank you for your excellent and thorough review. I have a pinion equipped gravel bike and this is my dream ebike. I hope to one day own one.
Thank you so much Stoutdog. I hope one day you will 🙏. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Top-video. Ik krijg mijn ST3 Pinion morgen geleverd, dankzij jouw video rijd ik er zo mee weg en had ik al een hoop voorpret.
Hoi Frank, Heel plezier er mee! Groet, Gijs
Ha daar is weer een leuke review :-) met een fietsje van 10.000 euro. Leuk, luxe hoor dat getest van erg leuke spullen. Groet en ik ben zeer gemengd enthousiast tegenwoordig over dit soort fietsen. Hebben we er de infrastructuur voor, gedragen veel rijders zich wel goed genoeg, zou er niet een rijbewijs voor nodig zijn, hoe zit het met de helmplicht en naleving? Volgens mij kunnen we daar nog een hele boel over schrijven. Groet opnieuw, ik blijf gezond trappen. :-)
Ha Onno, Dank wederom voor je leuke reactie en je vragen. Ik snap ze, ik heb de antwoorden: nee, nee ja en nee, ja. Op die laatste kom ik terug bij de review van de helm die ik op heb, de anderen zijdelings misschien in een blogje ;-). Groet, Gijs
great review, Subbed!
I am not sure I understand your remark, please clarify 🙃 . Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews They enjoyed your review of this bike so much that they subscribed to your channel. Hence the term "subbed" short for subscribed
Thanks a lot for your pertinent review.
I also agree on the screen’s position.
I bought a ST3 Pinion without ABS. I don’t really think it’s pertinent on it. I have it on my motorcycle and appreciate it, not on a speed bike.
Can’t wait to get it (3weeks to go). Bye bye Moustache FS Friday 👋
I have been doing 10.000 km / year on speed bike since 2018, time to change it.
Hi Matt, Thanks for sharing your thoughts 😄. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
The horn is most likely to make is sound less agressive. I installed a bicycle bell for that reason. Didn't know it was that silent though
Nice review!! A question: what’s the brand of the red pants you are wearing? 😀
Hi Christof, Thanks! Check this ➡️ Link to the Lundhags Authentic Pant Review: czcams.com/video/D4aTCZU1QGg/video.html
Richtig! Ich startete den ST3 Konfigurator und das dass diese Konfiguration jetzt funktioniert. Mein Stromer ist ein Launch Edition Version und damals war es meiner Meinung nach nicht möglich. Aber die Entwicklungabteilung gibt's ja dafür, dass neue Konfigurationen ermöglicht werden.
Another good review😎👌
Thanks! 👍 for the nice comment! Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews 🙂👌
Thanks!
Hi Jerry, I am sorry for my late response but I was on holiday and took my time being of grid and I loved it. I see the green fiver so I think this must be a donation with the thanks button. You are the first! Thank you op much for the support 🙏! Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Bedankt
Nice review. I'm happy to drive a Stromer ST3 Pinion without ABS and I enjoy riding it every day. I changed the tires to Schwalbe SuperMoto X. They feel a lot more comfortable than the original once. The Schwalbe Pick-Up should be even more comfortable. The position of the Omni display is really not good to look at during riding. Greetings from Germany
Hi Stefan, Thank you so much for the comment and greetings back from Dreumel 🙏. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews Hi Gijs, one question. How did you mount the tent or sleeping bag, I’m not sure what it was, on the rear trailer?
@@Naturfotografie_Rosengarten The tent is snug between the panniers on the Racktime carrier and it is secured with a strap. Does this answer your question? Cheers, Gijs
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews Yes, thank you! I didn’t saw the strap. That’s why I asked. Greetings Stefan
Best change the ABS option for the suspension options. I also wished they had a standard phone holder that's in the middle of the stearing
Thanks for the nice comment and sharing your thoughts and experience! Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Jouw filmpje langs de rivier in Rotterdam ? , wandelaars fietsers en die al reeds voorspelbare !! fout van die brommerbezorger is een mooi voorbeeld van hoe snel het fout gaat en hoe weinig de infrastructuur erop ingesteld is om zo hard te rijden met een MOTOR op het fietspad.
Het is een ‘fantastisch’ duivelsding voor de meeste rijders, niet voor wij ! ;-) motorrijders die iets minder macho gedrag tonen misschien en veel ervaring hebben met het letten op anderen.
Mijn reactie is ook: alleen één achterdrager is ronduit teleurstellend voor kampeerders, wij dus. Maar ik bedacht mij ook: misschien is dit wel te gevaarlijk om met die snelheden ook voordragers te hebben die de wegligging extreem nadelig kunnen beïnvloeden.
Een motorfiets is een heel andere belevenis, maar de extreme vrijheid die deze fiets brengt is natuurlijk fantastisch en het gevoel van gratis milieuvriendelijk door het landschap, muisstil, heen glijden met open oren onder de helm met toch nog wind door de haren is wel heel heel heel heel verleidelijk. :-)
Gratis is natuurlijk wel heel nadrukkelijk 'gratis' tussen aanhalingstekens in dit geval, tjonge jonge. 🙂
Hele dikke smiley!
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews van herkenning? :-)
Uiteraard (alleen hou ik wel van heel hard rijden....)
The thing about the ABS is not the only electrical flaw, i have several friends who are more as tired of their stromer due to those electro techinical issues😢
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Frank. That is not good! Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
hello, I also have a pinion st3, have you also felt vibrations in the pedals? probably due to the box, maybe .. thank you
Hi Marco, No vibrations.... . Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
I can feel slight vibrations from time to time. Haven’t figured out yet if they occur at a certain speed or on a certain terrain or a combination of the two. Power state of the motor and selected gear might also play a role. It doesn’t occur that often and it’s not strong, so I don’t worry about it. I love my ST3 in imperial red! 😍
Je review is top !!! maar de prijs van deze stromers zijn belachelijk duur doe de prijs x2 en ik koop een BMW 1600 BAGGER !!!daar moet ik niet verder over nadenken!!
Nou.... laten we dan wel nieuwprijzen vergelijke dus 3X. Tweedehands wordt anders, net als bij Stromer 😉. Maareh.... Die Bagger is wel een gave BMW. Je weet dat ik mijn test loopbaan begonnen ben bij de ProMotor van de ANWB? Groetjes, Gijs
Не понял ни одного слова...но эл велик,да еще и на ременной передаче... классный,мужик увлеченый,явно проффесионал...⭐️
Я не смог прочитать то, что вы написали, но гугл помогает. Спасибо за ваш комментарий. Наслаждайтесь отдыхом на свежем воздухе и будьте в безопасности! Приветствую, Гийс
I watched this hoping to see some information about the motor power, torque and hill climbing capability. If you any please comment.
Hi Sfomann, Hills, I don't have around my my place. Sorry 🙁. Cheers, Gijs
Eigentlich kann man eine Frontalfederung nicht zusammen mit ABS installieren, also da sah ich einen Fehler im Video (Kostenberechnung mit ABS und extra Federung). Ich benutze seit ein halbes Jahr ein ST3 Pinion ABS in Spanien mir schon über 2000 Kilometern. Sehr gut auch in bergischen Landschaften. Eine extra Federung braucht man gar nicht, die Pirelli-Sonderreifen reichen prima alleine auf allen hierzulande vorkommenen Wegen.
So what is this?
Cheers,
Gijs
Model ST3 GBP 6 415.-
Color Cool White GBP Included
Frame type Sport GBP Included
Frame size M GBP Included
Riding position Stem Urban | Sweep handlebar GBP Included
Suspension fork With GBP 871.-
Seat suspension With GBP 216.-
Pinion / ABS ABS GBP 1 477.-
Range 180 km | BQ983 GBP 299.-
Total GBP 9 278.-
Thank you for your excellent review. I'm curious why you didn't consider the Riese & Muller Super Charger 2. This e-bike appears to be a more suitable and cost-effective option for your long-distance touring needs with its two 625 wh integrated Bosch batteries and drive train options, including the fabulous Rohloff speed hub with e-shifting. I used this e-bike to cycle across the United States (10,000+ km).
You paid Euro 9,308 for a bike without a front suspension fork. After factoring in the cost of the fork, which is a necessity for long-distance cycling, the total cost of the bike came to Euro 10,543. The ABS system is malfunctioning in your video, which is a serious safety issue.
If you add the extra battery, which costs Euro 1,990, the total cost increases even further.
As an independent reviewer, have you considered purchasing the R&M Super Charger or other e-bike with a Rohloff E/14 shifting, two integrated batteries, and other necessary components?
I am also curious about the regenerative braking capabilities of the ST3, as you didn't discuss the capabilities of the motor, if any, to assist with braking and charging. Most importantly, what is Stromer going to do about the ABS? This cannot be left unresolved!
Sorry, sorry, I have many questions following an informative video.
Let us know when you are touring the Washington DC area in the United States.
Hi Gregory, Thanks for sharing your thoughts 😄. 1) It's not my bike. I got it from Stromer for three months for the review. 2) I am working on R&M to get one. Brands are not always willing.... 3) Suspension fork. On mountainbikes with a descent they are fine, most (e or s) trekking bikes come with a crappy one. More maintenance and less luggage capabilities. 4) Regenerative braking: as far as I am aware I did discus it. It helps with saving brake pads and getting energy back but in a flat country it is hardly useless for this. Braking yes. 4) Questions...I love them. 5) Will do! Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Screw that, your right, the base price is outrageous...this is worse than a car dealership...
I would only buy this bike if they go out of business and selling pennies on the dollar...
Go for Klever N-pinion. 6600 € and 1200 Wh battery. More carriage support. higher speeds. more reliable.
Well.... they are the first with quite some developments....
Poor people mindset.
Stromer doesn't want to sell high volume, fairly priced bikes. You get top of the line, well integrated latest tech bikes, look at the new ST7 with 1.5KW battery, ABS, and electric Pinion Smart-Shift. Here in Switzerland we also have a very good dealer network for them. I don't give a fuck if it costs 5k, 10k or 15k. Your job is to make enough money so you just don't have to care how much your stupid e-bike is gonna cost.
44 Nm of torque?¿ Bosch CX has 85Nm...Not a good spec for 10k€ mind you I've never tried it. Anyone that has please comment...maybe the feeling of a mid mounted engine and rear on-wheel engine is different?¿
I'm still researching for myself but for what I understand is that indeed the mid mounted motors have a lot of loss over the chain/belt and that you'll get to 45km/h with ease with a 44Nm rear motor but not with a 85Nm mid motor.
I have a panasonic mid engine with 95Nm, souped up with a badass box. It does get me to 44km/h, but the slightest hill and I have to push harder. That doesn't happen with an ST5 (slightly beefier engine but about the same torque).
Rear and back engine, can't really compare :) The effort you put in on a mid engine is way more even with that higher torque.
That said, I'm faster of the line with my current bike ;-)
its torque directly to the road not through the drivetrain. so its 1:1. if the bike has a mid motor, it will go through the transmission and the torque will even in the easiest gear be more than halved.
With that price, 150km autonomy should be done with at least 40km/h. Just saying.
No S-E-bike does it... Neither a E-car that replaces a diesel that does 900 km on 45 liters. We still have a lot of work to do. Thanks for sharing your thoughts 😄. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews What is this nonsense answer? What you even compare? Whats the justifications for that price for the ST3? The frame? The battery? (is even bosch?)
I was thinking about all my friends that went on holiday to ski. I get lot's of coffee pics at a charging station because they need to charge a 30.000 to 70.000 e-car after 350-450 km. I drive in one go 900 km with a 20.000 euro car on 45 liter of diesel. I conclude we are not there yet... I hope for hydrogin. That's all.
Which bike do you recommend?
@@StuMarston Is that a question for me or for Panagiotis?
If you regularly use an e-bike and still need to check your speed constantly, you can't be helped. Placement is perfect. Who the hell want an extra speedometer on the phone. You use that for navigation and other useful stuff. Completely stupid suggestion. Glad that Stromer does its own thing, only listening to valid points and suggestions.
Hi Hansli, In my mail I have two comments from you. The one I am responding to here is the only one that I see in my CZcams comment section. Maybe YT does not show the other one because of some words you use. I think the F word. It's not me! I respect your opinion for sure; if you like the display and don't want an other one that's fine with me. In the comment YT does not show - and I will be so kind to take out the F word -: "I don't mind what a bike costs 5K, 10K or 15K"... And that is where you and I are different. I do care. And on a bike the ABS should work no matter what the price is. On the rest of the comment I am not going to respond for reasons I leave to myself. Enjoy the Outdoors and Enjoy Biking! Cheers, Gijs
Hansli, what’s wrong with you?Your choice of words is just out of fucking place!! There’s absolutely no need to become so damn agitated at all for just nothing. Thought that only Germans are that stupid. Jeeezus Christ!🤯
Gjis, your review was fantastic btw!
Bedankt
Hi Hans, Thank you so much! Bedankt dus 😊. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs