Pinion: bicycle gearboxes for the future!
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- Episode 3 of our Factory Tour! In this series, we visit five of our partners in the German bicycle industry, to discover what goes on behind their product lineup. Find out more about Pinion: pinion.eu
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0:00 Introduction
1:59 The story of Pinion
3:41 Proof of concept
4:49 First ever bicycle gearbox
5:47 Pinion C1.12 housings assembly
7:49 How do the gears work?
9:22 Pinion C1.12 shifter shaft assembly
10:30 Sealing up the gearbox
12:15 The testing machine
13:21 How do repairs and warranty work?
16:08 Regular service procedures
17:00 In-house gearbox repair
19:03 What's our own experience?
19:59 Pinion's philosophy
20:42 Pinion C1.12 oil change!
23:04 Future products of Pinion
25:41 Outro
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Belén is an excellent gimbal.
Thanks for this behind the scene at Pinion... this is the future! my next bike will not have a chain and derailleur...
You’ll love the derailleur-less approach!
Being relatively old school with my bikes, I really didn’t expect to get so excited about Pinion. Definitely something for my next bike!
You’ll love the transition!
With proper and routine oil changes this should work reliably ! Between it and belt drive I see a great future for the company !
Thanks for the excellent Pinion factory tour. I ride a Priority 600X with a Gates belt drive and a Pinion C1.12 gearbox. I have been riding for over 56 years now. And so many different bikes. My 600X with the Pinion has become my daily rider and also my go-to bikepacking bike. All of the rest of my bikes are jealous because the 600X "Rubber Band" gets ridden the most. Thanks again for the inside look at Pinion. 🤓
56 years, what an experience! I’m glad you enjoyed the episode. It’s a pleasure to be in a position to provide video content like this!
@@tristanbogaard I started counting when I was 14 working in a local bike shop. The production of your videos is first-rate, excellent work. I'm watching the rest of the series, particularly the companies I have done business with. Pinion, Gates, and Tubus...🤓
What an excellent company
I am convinced, thanks for sharing :)
Go for it!
that's for sure: my next bike will have a Pinion "e" MGU. Thanks for sharing the details of its fabrication - and also, please keep it Made in Germany :-)
Nice work on this in-depth tour of Pinion! Very enlightening. You guys keep upping the video quality and the fact that you both tour extensively and use the product adds to the authenticity.
Thank you! That's really nice of you to type out. The next episode just went live, hope you'll enjoy that one as much!
amazing how they are all hand made. i love mine and now am full of pride on how well they are made and tested. thanks for sharing.
You’re very welcome! Enjoy your Pinion.
Very interesting video! Thanks for the insight! Good luck on your further trips!
Fantastic Video. You should also do one with Rohloff. Keep up the great work!
This is a GREAT video thank you so much! Can't wait to see the electonic shifting + Belt for touring bike. This will THE GAME changer !
You’re welcome! And I think so too.
Very impressed on the starting point of this company. Their production assembly line and process is definitely similar to that one of a car maker! Appreciate your effort to share this companies inside. Thanks team!
This might be because the owner actually is a gearbox engineer who was constructing and developing gearboxes for Porsche. ;)
Fantastic video! Professional quality, interesting, and great information. I wasn't even considering Pinion before. Now I want one. 😂
Thanks for this detailed visit. Love seeing where my P.18 was born! For what its worth, my local shop recommended doing the first oil change at 1k miles because, when new, there is a break in period that dirties the oil quicker. Then annual oil changes are sufficient.
I did my first oil change after 9 years 😊
All fine
Tristan & Belén, you guys are absolutely killing it 👏🏼 before watching this video I was sooooo excited to test the pinion gearbox next week with my wife..but now?! Holy crap I’m EXPLODING from excitement 😍 I cannot wait to get my hands on one! I thought the questions you asked Dirk were really important and informative, so thank you very much for the work that went into making these videos! When you asked Dirk about the process if something needs to be checked/fixed on the gearbox, it made me wonder how long the turn around time would be (approximately) if you had to send in the gearbox? 🤔 I have a feeling once I order my bike with the gearbox I’ll never go back to a derailleur 🙈
You definitely won't go back to a derailleur! I can say so myself after not even a year with this bike, and I'm starting to forget what derailleurs even are. As for the turnaround time, this will probably depend on each individual case but knowing Pinion, it should be pretty fast and professional.
Well done! I was sold on the Pinion gearbox and purchased my bicycle before viewing this video and am very happy I make the decision to do so. That 3 gear model from 1936 is a remarkable achievement and such an advancement for it's day. Outstanding! While the derailleur drive-train is time tested and less money, it just doesn't have all the advantages of a sealed system. It seems to be a durable and if you will, a bulletproof system that is a huge leap forward. In my humble opinion, the increase in weight and cost are justified for those wanting "THE BEST",
Couldn’t agree more!
I am absolutely thrilled to have had a C1.12 on my AZUB Ti-FLY X for the last two years, so it was exciting to see this factory tour.
Happy to hear you enjoyed the episode!
Interesting video, looks like a good and reliable system. You're right it is an investment, but it will serve you many years. I have several bicycles with a Rohloff speedhub and the oldest is 16 years old and still working fine. I use it now as a training bike and I also have a travel bike with Rohloff. Bedankt Belén and Tristan.
Agreed! And you're welcome. Hope you enjoy the next episode that just went live!
Super video danke!!☺
Bitte!!
Good Product 👍
Love my pinion!
спасибо за экскурсию😊
You're welcome!
Thanks for a good video...Would like to learn more about shifter options with the Pinion gearboxes.
It would be interesting to see a similar in-depth tour of Rohloff.
Thank you for the awesome video. I am looking at their website now and dreaming 😂 It is really a great technology.
It really is! I can assure you that you'll love this gearbox once you can get one yourself :)
Great Video Tristan. Any idea how the noise of the E1.12 compares to the 14 speed Rohloff?
At 23:06. That vintage steel bicycle with the Pinion gearbox is stunning! Is this bike for sale? We've got to have more of these classics with Pinion gearboxes.
You’d have to email Pinion to find out! And agreed. To me, more classic bikes with Pinion gearboxes would be like seeing all the favorite classic cars turned electric!
@@tristanbogaard Absolutely, the vintage bike in this video is stunning!
Interessant filmpje
Dat dacht ik zelf ook ;)
I have a P18 on my Co-Motion, and I am wondering why you chose the C12. Pinion Rocks!!
The P1.18 is such a great choice! In our case, we sided with the C1.12 to save a little bit of weight and as it has a 600% gear range, we thought it was plenty for the more MTB style riding we do nowadays, as opposed to long term road touring!
I have been using a 18 gear Pinion gearbox on a Stevens P18 for the last 18 months. It is brilliant, quiet, silky smooth shifting reliable. It does what it says on the box. Change the oil annually, check the cables, job done.
If Pinion need a test rider to put kms on a Pinion gearbox for testing please let me know? Live on the German Netherlands border, retired, fit and can ride every day.
Excellent choice, that's a similar setup as what Kamran (@kamranonbike) was using for a long time, between Patagonia and Alaska. Very inspiring ride and such a great setup for it. Well done on making yours last and speaking up about it!
It was great to see the factory and assembly process. One thing I found with my PInion is that the company would not disclose what type of oil they were using. So I sent my oil in for testing and found it was 75-80w. This type of oil can be purchased cheaply from any auto parts store and does not need to come from Pinion directly. I have a few short films comming out on my channel about this process.
Can Pinion gearbox's be fit fitted to 20" folding bikes, if so what number of gear ratios are available for global touring.
Incredible and timely. Let's just hope it's more reliable than the Porsche PDK. :)
What is the timeline for rolling this tech out to mainstream E-MTB companies? And how does the cost compare?
I hope they can make a combined Motor/gearbox combo. To compete with Revonte One, Valeo Effigear and Intra Drive…
Bedankt voor deze video. Ik ga een nieuw avontuur in mijn professioneel leven beginnen als verkoper van bv Stromer fietsen dit uitgerust zijn met Pinion systemen.
Dat klinkt goed! Ik ben ervan overtuigd dat de Pinion versnellingsbak enorm populair gaat worden zodra meer mensen ontdekken hoe makkelijk het is (zeker in combinatie met zo’n Gates tandriem). Veel succes met je onderneming!
Hi Tristan. Great video! My C1.12 Pinion gearbox has begun to develop a strange fault, in that it sometimes take a quarter of a pedal turn (or more, nearly half a turn) for the crank to engage with the gearbox. Any idea how to fix this? I'm based in the UK, with no Pinion service centre nearby... Quite separately, I've discovered that my H2r pinion rear hub leaks some of its grease, causing the freehub system to become noisy with time: it can be quietened with fresh grease, but then the grease slowly comes out again! Have you come across this, and would you know how to fix it? Thanks!
Hi Pierre, best would be to immediately contact the Pinion customer service. Let them know your situation and perhaps the warranty will cover it all. They’re quick and very helpful!
@@tristanbogaard thank you Tristan. Will do now.
How do I learn the cost of the gearboxes that Pinion makes?
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this would be a perfect IGH if it had a trigger shifter. grip shifter is ok for casual/light riding but cumbersome in cold/hot/bad weather/fast riding scenario where the rider will have to pay extra attention to grip/steering. overall trigger shifter will be most convenient/desire. if the future enhancement/design include a trigger shifter, I will try it. until than, I am happy with Alfine.
there are 3rd party triggers by Cinq5
Hi. I will be purchasing a Comotion bicycle with Pinion P1.18 gearbox for bicycle touring.
Will the gears in the gearbox hold up for about 400 pounds (181kg) weight of the rider, gear & bicycle?
could it possibly market in the Philippines?
I'm not sure! But if there's enough demand for it I think there wouldn't be an issue in marketing it there.
I so want an 18 speed with the electronic shifters (I can't stand grip-shift).
I would like to see Pinion develop an integrated gearbox/ electric motor unit.
I’d love to see that too!
It happened 3 days ago at eurobike with the E1!
Also thought about that for years after I make a first ride on the P18 about 12 years ago in Friedrichshafen
They may want to sell optionally, a powermeter crank for those wishing to get feedback on their head unit.
A pinion C12 is in my future
Is it heavier than a Stumey Archer?
Not sure I know what that is! Can you elaborate?
What bikes use this motor? And is it available in the US?
You can find the bike companies they work with on the Pinion website, and yes! It’s available in the US, through Priority Bikes for example.
Thank you for the info.
They need to add a trigger shifter + continuous pedaling while shifting before I consider adding the 3-4% efficiency loss to my drivetrain.
Maybe this is not the place to ask this, but I wonder why have you chosen Pinion over Rohloff for your bikes?
That's fine! It was more as if Pinion chose us, since the Tout Terrain Outback comes with a Pinion gearbox only. But also, the idea of a rear wheel hub freaks me out a bit, considering swapping wheels or having to do spoke repairs is made significantly more challenging.
The Pinion gearbox is easily dismounted in case of problems, and my rear wheel is free of clutter. I love it!
It will be a future... but it needs to go down with price! Only then it will happen.
Its pity that no one in Sweden sell this or service this gearboxes
Didn’t know that! May bring this up to Pinion 👍🏼
@@tristanbogaard even Rohloff is the same , no dealer or service in Sweden
Should be mated with belt drive!
i was already sold on the gearbox... even more now
Would love to see a Pinion gearbox married to a Fazua motor for my dream gearbox belt drive e-Mtb.
Me too!
Can they repair a used pinion that is out of warranty? After watching the video it seems like a bad idea to buy a used pinion bike.
Problem is it does not fit into an open eco system and requires frame design to house it. That limits the choice of frames - material, geometry, etc. One cannot upgrade an existing frame to use Pinion.
Now to if we can get pinion to reduce the price of the bracket to bike frames!!! No reason to change $1000 just for a frame!!! What is the 'best' chainring and back cog to use with the gearbox?!?
Mmm nice video but…. What if…. And then you wait… two three four or ??? You have to send your gearbox to the fabric and you are in Kyrgyzstan your journey is over. Or at least for a month. That’s how long it takes before you get your gearbox back. I think the Pinion and the Rohloff systems are the best but only in Europe and the states. If going to Azië I prefer my old cassette and bring some spare parts. It is a gamble that you take that can cost you a hell of a time. And if you have to stay somewhere for a month you will end in a hotel and all the costs that will bring it. Okay maybe I see some bears on the road but you have to keep that in mind. They also say the Titanic could not sink. 😅
Right… I think those are some big bears you’re seeing 😉 But if you ask me, I don’t mind the risk since it’s a tiny, tiny one!
theoretically its not that more expencive to massproduce a pinion gearbox compared to a derailure and cassette? I dont see why this couldnt be the new standard if it is working flawlessly as they say. Especially if they can get the electronic gearling to shift smoothly under load.
When will it be cheaper?????????????????
Maybe when they scale more! The future of gearboxes is bright
I guess 8 more years and their patent will expire
Oh well . There goes $3500 out of the cat food account....
Why does this video contain obviously wrong claims like "the first bike with a gearbox"?
it can be true, this one is very old, more than 100 yr old.
@@odarge Not sure if you are aware of how long bicycles have been around.
@@nupsi6 tell me when came for the first time a bicycle WITH A GEARBOX ? thank you.
@@odarge The Ariel was designed in 1871 I think, it was, as far as I know, the first bicycle with a working gearbox you could simply buy.
Sadly, the gearbox is not swappable with MGU, and I'm kind of pissed, none the th current or past pinion bikes can be upgraded to the MGU!!!😡 You have to make a completely new frames just for MGU👎🏽🖕Fu ck that, you lost me as a customer...
Please stop the music, it is very annoying.
It’s baked in, deal with it 🤷🏻♂️
Do any bike suppliers do a touring e-bike with a pinion gear and titanium frame ? That would be my ideal bike for retirement 😁
Yes, although not traditional touring bike models. But pretty close! NordestCycles (off-road touring) and Viral Derive (hardtail) are some I’ve found.
@@tristanbogaard thanks I’ll check them out 👍🏻
Take a look at Rennstahl or Falkenjagd in Germany nearby Munich.