Bambu Lab X1 & P1S Lan Mode - Local Wireless Printing
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Main problem with cloud anything, is that it only works for as long as someone decide it is worth maintaining the cloud server.
Cloud is the perfect planned obsolescence product.
Flip a switch to make every device ever sold, instantly obsolete.
I hate it!
Or, decide at a later date to introduce, yes, the "much loved" recurring subscription fee!
Similarly, I believe the Cricut vinyl cutter can be bricked by the manufacturer so it can't be sold off second hand.
Or all of a sudden it is a paid subscription...
Thanks for the information. Another instance of companies making their devices phone home - I haven't seen any other reviews mention this "feature". I get the mobile app not functioning but everything else should not be hobbled.
Thanks for the explanation. I've been wondering since I bought my X1-C a week ago.
Thanks for the clear explanation. I have never used the Handy app. so that will not be a loss. The outage this past week had me and I'm sure a lot of people looking at the LAN mode. I don't want to go back to using a MicroSD card, but do want to be able to see the print in progress. I guess I could try my X1C and wait for the P1 until it has the camera., or just go with no camera. Could you still get updates by connecting to the Bambu cloud?
Thank you for this video. It was very informative. I do have question though. Can you connect the Ps1 directly to your pc via a usb or any other cable? thus bypasing your local wifi.
I've only had my P1S for about a week but put it in LAN mode as soon as I set up the network connection. I've been able to view the live cam for every print.
Interesting. I guess firmware updated to allow live cam on P1S now? This whole stupid cloud service thing with Bambu is the only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger on one.
@@jjlee196 I've had no issues with mine in LAN mode so you definitely can avoid the cloud service if that's your preference.
@@ggochallenge ... Have you (or anybody at all) actually monitored network traffic, to confirm if Bambu's "LAN only" actually is LAN only?
... Yea I know, I'm a deeply distrusting type of guy :)
@@ZappyOh I haven't, no. I'd be surprised if it was 100% LAN only. It's got to be sending something off to a server some where. That's why I keep mine powered off when not in use.
@@ZappyOh That's why we have firewalls. No need for trust ;)
Was going to buy this printer untill i saw this video. Hello Creality
The local data mode works absolutely fine. I’m interested why you think the creality is a better option when while it gives you the option of both there are many downsides.
Thanks Ian! I've been printing w/ an (upgraded) Ender 3 Pro for several years - and finally took the plunge and splurged on an X1C+AMS. As a long-time OctoPrint user / supporter - I'm curious if the X1C has a serial port that might provide some 'increased local pint functionality'?
Printer may arrive as early as tomorrow: I'm as giddy as a kid on Christmas eve. Thanks for the videos - printing TPU parts for quads is DEFINITELY one of my use cases.
I like things to be cloud-enabled, not cloud dependent. That way, you keep running when you can't access the cloud, which can happen for so many more reasons than BL's servers going down. For Handy, cloud makes sense, but it should have a local access option. Other than that, I can't see any reason that things like the camera, SD card, and sending print jobs should traverse the cloud (besides BL being nosey). I have a lot of compute gear that is not cloud-dependent but can still get a firmware update if it needs to from the Internet. In other words, there is no reason to put a third computer in the mix if my PC and P1 are on the same LAN. I think BambuLab can find plenty of ways to mine the data they are looking for without the current arrangement.
On a windows machine configure windows firewall allowed apps and features: set BambuStudio to allow both public and private. Once set P1S can be found in Device tab when configured for LAN mode. Without public checked wont show up. Control Panel > System and Security > Windows Defender Firewall > Allowed Apps
This video about to get alot of views lol.
Update. My P1S came yesterday. After update, I can view print in slicer on video in lan mode.
Yep ... me too.
Bambu should program the app like Homey has. That app connects directly to the hardware if you're on the same network but uses a websocket through their servers if you're remote. So if you disable the remote feature the app still works locally.
If you press send, then it goes straight to the printers sc card and gets saved there for when you decide to print, meaning it does not go to the cloud at all I am guessing. But if you press print, it goes to cloud and then starts printing straight away. This is in Bambu studio
Any prototype work or items that need permissions and / or clearances/ or even an Non-disclosure agreement could be a major legal problem by allowing the data out of your exclusive control
Yes in this scenario I would be keeping the printer offline at all times.
Easy enough to solve the printing when not at home, have a VPN setup then you can access home LAN to access all printers etc then
Octoprint plus Wireshark plus pihole and you're set
Can I use LAN Only mode with Bambu Studio on two different PCs in the same house? My wife and I have separate PCs that we would like to send prints from. That way either one of us can send a print in LAN only mode to the same printer if idle? In other words, does LAN only mode bind the printer exclusively to one PC, or can multiple PCs be bound with the same access code?
Cloud servers limit the user and channels them into a possible subscription model. It’s a good printer, why not just have an ethernet adapter for true local networking? One trend I despise is cloud everything.
two users
Me and friend are going to buy one and put it in his house. Will I be able to print from computer at my house thru bambu server?
I've been using FTP to access my SD card on my P1S. Very useful but very slow (around 150-220kbps). I did find my AMS no1 slot would wind and unwind a little every few minutes when i was copying off the SD card. Odd. I just need the camera to work with LAN mode now. Updating by SD card would be nice to have as well.
Now we just need the ability to update over either LAN or SD card
And run Octoprint..
I would love to see a self-hosted server for the other features.
If I am going to use the printer 100% local, will I be able to use it without a bambu account?
I'm actually fairly irritated I can't get the live view in lan mode. I ordered a P1s a few weeks ago and it's supposed to be here in the next few days. That kind of integration was a massive selling point but the idea that I "have" to put all my stuff online in order to access it on my local network is more than a little off putting. To be clear I'm not talking about the phone app as that was never going to be connected as I absolutely will not do stuff like that through my phone. However there is no reason at all this stuff shouldn't work on my PC just fine beyond "Do it our way or else". Had I known this ahead of time, honestly I might not have ordered it. Frankly this knowledge has me heavily reconsidering if I'm even going to unbox it or just send it back the moment it arrives. Especially since they botched my order and didn't actually ship it until after the projected arrival date and I submitted a ticket asking why it hadn't shipped, I'm already considerably irritated at them.
Anyone ordered the P1S upgrade kit? Have you gotten yours yet? It seems like they are dragging their feet to ship.
I just want the LAN mode bc i dont like leaving my computer connected to the internet. The live view is cool pretty much never go to far or long away while it’s printing, so if i really need to see it ill just walk in the room and look at it
Wish lan mode worked for me. Get cant to next to printer and head hits usb cable if I use that.
Hello, just ordered my P1S. If I understand you correctly I can connect my P1S to the cloud server and put my files on an SD Card to print them. By doing this my files will not be uploaded to the cloud? Thank you for the video and help.
Yea correct.
I don't like the idea of being dependent on someone elses server. I stick with LAN mode even if that means less functions.
But can you update the firmware lan mode only? If not, then this is all pointless because when you do connect to update the firmware Bambu transfers *encrypted* "log files" but you don't actually know what they're taking. They should allow an offline firmware update that doesn't need you to be online. As is, Bambu can't be trusted.
Why can Bambu not be trusted compared to others ? Today no you can’t update but that’s dimming soon. However I don’t understand this assumption that they are doing bad things just because its not visible or closed source.
This is the same nonsense that’s been thrown at DJI for many years with zero evidence.
Just assuming Bambu is stilling your prints is madness.
@@MadRC You'd have to be a complete fool to not understand that if they're encrypting what are supposed to be simple log files and forcing you to use the cloud\get online in order to have all features, including obviously important ones like updating firmware. Just because some simpletons choose to live in bliss doesn't mean everyone should. If you can't see that, you're a fool. If you want to choose to store your files on someone else's computer that's your choice. If you want to choose to let strangers go through your files on your network, that's up to you. How about letting people go through your home, is that fine also? Do you own curtains? Why? Privacy matters. So, the only nonsense is between your ears. People like you like to say things like "I have nothing to hide" but if Bambu has nothing to hide, why hide what's in the log files and why push people online? I'll tell you, because the Chinese culture and their economy is about stealing, and they're stealing intellectual property. If you run a 3d printing business you have a responsibility to your client and using Bambu Lab compromises your clients property, and spare the the dji strawman argument.
@@MadRC DJI doesn’t have access to my proprietary designs and intellectual property.
Completely different.
🤷🏻♂️
Edit:
Based on all logic, and China’s history of stealing EVERYTHING , it’s madness to assume they aren’t. It’s prudent to assume they are.
@@dangerous8333 and as I say in the video. If your using anything proprietary or where IP is involved use offline mode. I say this already. Your arguing over something that’s not relevant as it’s already been said.
@@MadRC and you ignored the fact that you can't update the printer offline.
at least it doesn't keep spamming you with ads unlike some other printers
Hahah yea the Creality is bad bad for this.
Reason why I will never buy Creality printers ever again. They have become a clown company, just like their app with all those ads.
Okay, I did not know Creality has ads. That's an even harder NO than cloud shit.
One has to wonder whats the purpose of the server? why are they requiring that things have to go through the server in order just to use the product. All these functions do not require cloud servers whatsoever. So why is this done?
There are SO many clever people out here, that got so much knowledge. Why have NO ONE suggested swapping out the mainboard on either P1P or P1S with a better one?
Then we could have:
1. Wired LAN Connection
2. Touch Screen!
3. Away, better Webcam.
4: You name your thing here
I know this can be done, it could be done on those Ender 3 and many others, so why not this one?
(not a printer expert so take it with a grain of salt)
Mainly because these printers like prusa or ender are open source meaning that both software and hardware are open for users to explore and fiddle with (like a lego set, you can either build the set or use similar bricks to replace the existing ones). Bambu on the other hand is a closed system (like Apple for example) so they focus on optimizing the existing parts for maximum performance instead of trying to make everything compatible with whatever's on the market.
Let's say it would be theoretically possible to switch out the board, the compatibility of sensors, motors, extruders, bed, ams etc. would have to be recalibrated. Since the firmware is closed someone would have to reverse engineer it so we could get a read on the data and how each part communicates with each other. After switching the board we would then have to reprogramm them so it would work with the respective software (like klipper) and even then would probably loose a good chunk of performace so the losses outweigh the gains.
Another route could be switching the non compatible parts with compatible ones but that would be basically like building an entire new printer.
So in theory yes but unless bambu shuts down or the company themselves take interest in it the probability is very low.
Only two problems. First of all I'm never going to send any of my through any cloud. Second of all I just can't use bamboo studio. For what I do it is unusable.
OK so where can I download the comparison chart?
czcams.com/video/TCLN7UoZa6Y/video.html
Pause the video and take a screen shot?
I am a bit confused here.
For me, LAN mode have always been via CABLE network like Rj45 connection, and not Wi-Fi.
There can be Local Wi-Fi and worldwide Wi-Fi.
So is this still a wireless or real LAN mode?
(Because I'm autistic, I need to have this in place, else my brain melt down.)
Fun facts:
I also find it extremely weird, that anyone say hot-end, when they are talking about the extruder.
Hot-end is for me baby-language, again, my brain works very different from your "neurotypical"
They way I sense and feel the world is nothing like yours at all.
I'm interested in a P1S but it's really bad imho the lack of an RJ45 socket. I'll use the printer steady in one place, giving an ethernet cable would be better for me.
Huh LAN Local Area Network doesn't matter if WiFi or RJ45. So it's real LAN mode. And what is worldwide Wifi you hiding a secrete technology we don't know about.
Sir @@ddotmada, that's why I wrote: "For Me" LAN mode is cabled.
And I apologize for my poor English.
It is not always easy for me to explain what I really want, doing to:
1: I got autism + ADHD
2: I am not an English person, so many things can and will go wrong when I try to translate it.
(The little English I can, is learning by doing)
I hope you know have a little more understanding for my not so elegant writing.
I am a bit paranoid when talking Wi-Fi, @@xforno, so my pc etc., is all with cable. Even my TV hanging on the wall is connected via RJ45, so yes, if I can't connect it via RJ45, then I won't buy it.
@@drpainsjourney I have the same idea. I think things that aren't portable has no need to be connected wirelessly. I always prefer to cable everything that doesn't move...
First 5 min I thought Ian was lan in lower left.
My bad I didn't research this enough. I wish someone had explained "plainly" about the lack of local printing. But in this day and age you just expect ethernet. For Bambu to do this is to ruin a real good product. Nobody wants to wait on some "cloud server" for production. Email, FTP, and other services, sure. But NOT time sensitive production like this. You can't even connect to the printer with their BLUETOOTH HANDY app unless you turn on location services. If I had know all this before my purchase I would have gone with the big new K1 Max.
They are adding more and more. This will largely go away soon.
You do realize EVERY bluetooth app that needs to search for devices needs Location Services permission, as a reminder by Android to the user that phone location can be inferred from visible BLE devices, given enough data. The most recent few Android versions have a workaround in that a app can request Android to scan it, and Android itself asks the user which device to use, and then gives the app access to this device. Most apps don't use it yet, because they want to keep the workflow the same for older Android versions.
Just to be clear, there is no technical reason cloud access should be needed for anything the app does, as long as it's in the same network and as long as device discovery can be handled somehow. But Location Services is the wrong tree to bark under.
I wonder why they wont let us NOT send them OUR prints, to be stored on THEIR servers forever? IP theft maybe?
Data mining. Getting lots of usage data on what materials are used with what settings, and which of those finish without problems is invaluable date for improving their preset profiles. I dont think they are interested in the actual models you print, but I understand that this may be a convern for some, especially for companies and research institutions.
@@bra1Nphuk inventors ...
So - the fact that the Handy app can *see* the printer proves that it *could* work locally - Bambu is simply punishing you for choosing to not connect to their cloud. The app literally says 'prohibited'. lol.
I have to say the inability of this printer to simply be a device on the LAN with no need for mobile phone 'apps' etc etc is what has convinced me I don't want to buy one.
Despite it being great hardware.
Very confusing.
I thought Bambu machines were about to get interesting then they threw in a big fat f*ck you with the mobile app. If they sort that so it's fully featured I'll be recommending them, might even get one myself. They do look to be fantastic machines, they just need to stop playing E.T.