I have ensured that I am using the proper TDC timing pin and even verified by checking inside cylinder number 1 and seeing the top of the piston. This tool will not go on my cams with the arrow facing up only down. Also notice how in multiple videos you can see positioning by 2 dots and a stamp like mark on each sprocket. When they are apparently correct is when the arrows are upside down for me idk what Ford is doing but glad I saw this. Almost think cheaper tools just print the arrows on the wrong side.
Sorry you had this issue and I know it's been up for a while, but I just want to make it clear so that others who are doing this can gain more information that can save them the headache that you went through. First off, if it is that far off when flipped as you stated then most likely it would not even be able to fit the camshaft sprockets prior to removing the timing belt. How I understand it, you are supposed to fit that into place along with the crank locking pin prior to even removing the harmonic balancer and timing belt. If that is the case that tool being flipped completely backwards and upside down and the teeth mark off by that much would not even fit to start with unless forced. The tool fits precisely so it could not even be installed per your video. I am not an expert but just from what you are saying u could not have put that tool on if you properly locked the crank and then installed that cramshaft locking tool prior to removing your timing belt. Just for those who are attempting to do this job just make sure you put the tools in place prior to removing the harmonic balancer bolt and timing belt. These are locking tools so it does what its supposed to do, lock everything in place, there is no way it will lock in place if you can't fit it prior.
Thanks for the insight on this. I'm still on the fence about doing this job. I did a 2002 2.0 focus sohc without much issue. I just can't seem to talk myself into this one.
funny you said this i was doing a fiesta and the tool only went in that way i was confused but now im confused again because im doing another one and the tool goes bothways not sure how to insert it now and the cam plate on the back of the cams fits in the cams both ways smh
Oh my god! I’ve been tearing my hair out all day trying to figure this out. It’s 10:45 and I’m still at the shop LOL. Going to hit it again in the AM. Thanks so much!
Stupid question, if your crank is at tdc, and your cams are at the correct position with the rear tool installed, why does it matter the vct location? The intake and exhaust valves are gonna open and close correctly as the crank spins and the belt rotates?
Kingsley... AutoZone PN is 1090. The other tool is 2880. Now, the flywheel/flex plate tool is not there. Not sure where to het that. And the tool kit he has is better. Hey Vid Dude. What's the part number/Source of supply for that kit. Most DIYers don't have it.
They're universal Ford ecoboost/duratec timing tools for 4 bangers. Not the v6. V6 would have twice as many parts lol. Autoparts store will have a rental kit with everything but if not ask on the St forums. Bound to be people who know there. Edge autosport might have or corksport
Necessarily, no, you don't, but you should. If your impact is of good quality and got that kinda busting power, go for it, however make sure 100% for sure that crank is hitting that tdc bolt, then you drill it back down. Always replace the harmonic balancer bolt. Its a 1 time use.
Sorry about your hell buddy but this video is not correct. You just have your timing off or something. I've done multiple ones of these and it fits that way and will not fit any other way
Yes, the arrow should be pointing up and facing you. My buddy just done one at the shop and used my tool and it runs perfect, now I have a 2013 Ford escape 1.6 to do this weekend. Gotta make sure you’re using the right crankshaft pin too.
If you put tool arrow up it is 12 tooth between marks that's how it should be if upside down then 13 tooth between marks it's incorrect. So 🤷 Honestly have same issue after replacing timing belt engine is guttles and shakes a bit bought a better quality tool so going to compare with cheap ones
I have ensured that I am using the proper TDC timing pin and even verified by checking inside cylinder number 1 and seeing the top of the piston. This tool will not go on my cams with the arrow facing up only down. Also notice how in multiple videos you can see positioning by 2 dots and a stamp like mark on each sprocket. When they are apparently correct is when the arrows are upside down for me idk what Ford is doing but glad I saw this. Almost think cheaper tools just print the arrows on the wrong side.
Thanks for the information, you would think the tool would have a stamped mark on it saying ,this side towards engine or something at least !
Im glad I saw this. Im getting ready to do one now
Thank you. My sons mechanic keeps having the same problem and he couldn't figure out why!
Sorry you had this issue and I know it's been up for a while, but I just want to make it clear so that others who are doing this can gain more information that can save them the headache that you went through. First off, if it is that far off when flipped as you stated then most likely it would not even be able to fit the camshaft sprockets prior to removing the timing belt. How I understand it, you are supposed to fit that into place along with the crank locking pin prior to even removing the harmonic balancer and timing belt. If that is the case that tool being flipped completely backwards and upside down and the teeth mark off by that much would not even fit to start with unless forced. The tool fits precisely so it could not even be installed per your video. I am not an expert but just from what you are saying u could not have put that tool on if you properly locked the crank and then installed that cramshaft locking tool prior to removing your timing belt. Just for those who are attempting to do this job just make sure you put the tools in place prior to removing the harmonic balancer bolt and timing belt. These are locking tools so it does what its supposed to do, lock everything in place, there is no way it will lock in place if you can't fit it prior.
Thanks for the insight on this. I'm still on the fence about doing this job. I did a 2002 2.0 focus sohc without much issue. I just can't seem to talk myself into this one.
Thank you 🇺🇸
I’m just about to start it and figured I’d look to see if there were any problems I got the same kit and just re labeled the tool thanks I think
man i am facing the same problem here,same symptoms,will redo again,hopefully it will work,thanks from Malaysia
I think you saved me a few days
i haver this day this same problem! car shaking and i thinkin what is promblem. so its that. hope valves are still good
funny you said this i was doing a fiesta and the tool only went in that way i was confused but now im confused again because im doing another one and the tool goes bothways not sure how to insert it now and the cam plate on the back of the cams fits in the cams both ways smh
Oh my god! I’ve been tearing my hair out all day trying to figure this out.
It’s 10:45 and I’m still at the shop LOL.
Going to hit it again in the AM. Thanks so much!
did you fix it
Did the one tooth off cause any engine damage?
Which tool kit is that? I bought the Shenzhen Dapeng Aoto Tools CO.,LTd model HTF-1002C-F1.6 would this apply to it?
Stupid question, if your crank is at tdc, and your cams are at the correct position with the rear tool installed, why does it matter the vct location? The intake and exhaust valves are gonna open and close correctly as the crank spins and the belt rotates?
Thank you man appreciate this info
No problem
Dors this apply to 1.5 ecoboost and how many teeth before timing belt
Please how do I get this tool please
Before I take any heads off or take any engine apart🫡 I always double up and make sure💁♂️and mark the timing first before each disassembly🤷♂️
Do you also have to flip the cta tool or just the Amazon tool.
No, you do not need to flip the cta tool. It goes straight in. Arrow pointing up.
Yea I just used that Amazon tool started it up and it there a P0017 just tore it back apart I’ll try this flip method see if it works
I’m curious if it worked?
Kingsley...
AutoZone PN is 1090. The other tool is 2880. Now, the flywheel/flex plate tool is not there. Not sure where to het that. And the tool kit he has is better.
Hey Vid Dude. What's the part number/Source of supply for that kit. Most DIYers don't have it.
They're universal Ford ecoboost/duratec timing tools for 4 bangers. Not the v6. V6 would have twice as many parts lol. Autoparts store will have a rental kit with everything but if not ask on the St forums. Bound to be people who know there. Edge autosport might have or corksport
The shop that is doing my water pump/timing belt just called and said theirs broke. Theyve had the car since last Wednesday
So we don't need lock the flywheel, right? I think it is not necessary, please comment thanks!
Necessarily, no, you don't, but you should. If your impact is of good quality and got that kinda busting power, go for it, however make sure 100% for sure that crank is hitting that tdc bolt, then you drill it back down. Always replace the harmonic balancer bolt. Its a 1 time use.
@@jduda1127 Thank you!
@martintran7837 no problem
You don’t have to but I would. I’m hard headed myself and still did it so that should tell you that you SHOULD.
Sorry about your hell buddy but this video is not correct. You just have your timing off or something. I've done multiple ones of these and it fits that way and will not fit any other way
Yes, the arrow should be pointing up and facing you. My buddy just done one at the shop and used my tool and it runs perfect, now I have a 2013 Ford escape 1.6 to do this weekend. Gotta make sure you’re using the right crankshaft pin too.
If you put tool arrow up it is 12 tooth between marks that's how it should be if upside down then 13 tooth between marks it's incorrect.
So 🤷
Honestly have same issue after replacing timing belt engine is guttles and shakes a bit bought a better quality tool so going to compare with cheap ones
Did you figure anything out?
Wow thats annoying
What assholees. They keep making timing these duratec ecoturd engines harder and harder lol
My advice is dont buy Ford and if you have one trade it in this weekend. You gunna take a loss no matter when
If this fixes the 2014 fusion with a 1.5 that won't won't start, I'm gona smooch ya