Demystifying the Disc Golf Brace Pt. 2 | Form Coach and Aerospace Engineer Explains
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00:00 Intro
00:26 Quick Refresher
02:15 Brace Leg Physics
08:33 Brace Leg Biomechanics
10:51 The Heel Pivot
12:49 Closed vs. Open Plant
16:32 Role of The Back Leg
19:16 Outro - Sport
I’d love to see a systematic biomechanics breakdown of the backhand from start to finish. You’ve basically done that with this brace video with the vectors and such. A more detailed and complete version of that would be incredible. I feel like it really gets at the principles of throwing and could help someone break down their own form
That would be a lot of fun! Super involved as well, so I'm not sure how soon I could get it made with my time commitment to coaching right now 👍
I may get into other components of the throw as well to keep building the library on everything.
Right on! Nice work there!
Really cool to see you in here, thank you for the support!
thats a nice point.. the faster your run up the wider your brace needs to be to counter the forward energy!
I've always loved watching and understanding form and your videos are so good at explaining both the scientific and simple things taking place. Love it keep it up!!
Thanks for the kind words, and will do!
FIRST. Great video! Loved the part about your body stopping the power when it hits it's max. Jamming yourself into positions your body doesn't like doesn't make you throw farther, and it usually doesn't end very well either!
LETS GOO
And glad you liked that part, I'm hoping we can keep bringing awareness to a healthy approach to throwing mechanics
Thanks as always! So much good info in here!
You’re welcome and I appreciate the continued support man!
Love the detail on the biomechanics.
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what a great series. Glad we get to see this with a biomechanical lens
Thank you!
great stuff!
thank you!
Awesome video! I've seen so many videos on form and the brace leg, but this is the first one that really made it click and make sense. That one little example of the muscle groups used when jumping backwards was enlightening!
Really glad to hear the example helped things make more sense! Thanks for stopping by
Well done! Should note that Clint is actually using rear External Hip Rotation(and Foot Eversion) to rotate the pelvis, not Internal Rotation(Foot Inversion). He is pushing the pelvis away from the rear femur and foot. While Clint is a good example of power, I think his efficiency could be better. Wiggins also uses ER in his 360 and already has a lot rotational momentum going into the plant.
Thank you!
And good point, for some reason I didn't do a great job of going into the details of his rear action on his standstill, where he's using more linear muscle pushing as you mention here.
I will say though, I do have a huge appreciation for power (and accuracy) that comes from muscular strength like what Clint does, because it seems that it could possibly be lower impact on the body in some ways (not as deep of hip and trunk rotation, more use of knee and hip extensors). Will be fun to keep the dialogue going on the topic, in some ways it reminds me of that classic golf swing vs modern golf swing, albeit in the case of disc golf requires a very solid strength and muscle base like what Clint has.
I might be seeing this wrong but it looks like Clint's coil, both hips and shoulder, happen on the movement backwards. As opposed to the Schusterich coil, where he moves laterally back and coils completely on the move forward.
@@timothy42b 👍 agreed! that's what I am seeing with Clint's coil timing, and have noticed I do something very similar. I haven't seen anyone else throwing standstills in the mid 500's like Clint and I do, so I'm suspicious it buys us more time to develop a deeper coil and bigger butt shift into the plant.
I originally thought it could have an accuracy cost as well, although Clint has been lights out off the tee in his recent course vlogs so that calmed my fears there.
My body is beat up from martial arts and I have the fun prospect of having external bias in my right leg and internal in my left. This is exactly the kind of thorough analysis that I need and appreciate. Thank you!
You're welcome! I have noticed that strict positions in the backhand throw are overprescribed without any context of people's anatomy and injury history in general, so I'm glad to hear the plant leg discussion was useful for you.
I can't wait to see part 3. Holy crap man this has been sooooo enlightening. Idk if it will improve my game but it all seems so simple I've just been intimidated to try to break this all down myself from the physics side. So it's good to see that my options for better plants are bigger quads or going lower while wide to get more glute activation, to spread the load on muscles. Now I just have to figure out the ground reaction side of things such that my foot doesn't slide out on me.
Glad you liked it man! I think if you drop your center of mass a little bit into your plant (like how Albert Tamm or myself do) it will increase the ground reaction force and friction force to help keep your foot from sliding out before you really brace up hard.
I love me some free body diagrams. May not be helpful for everybody, but this is super awesome.
Rotating through on the balls of my foot messed up my right foot metatarsals as a beginner last year. Would not recommend! Thanks to videos like these I can improve my throwing (while healing) by correctly keeping my weight on the heel after disc release :)
Sorry to hear about the injury! Sounds like you are doing the right stuff to get that pivot fixed and should be safe moving forward. Best of luck with it all.
sorry for all the comments but this was one of the best videos ive ever seen!
No worries, I love the enthusiasm and glad you liked the vid!
Seems like simons leg stiffens a lot earlier than schustericks. Is it ideal to get that front leg straight earlier to promote pelvic rotation a little earlier or don’t worry about the leg straightening as much as just getting the foot down before you start the pull through? Love your stuff man
Great question, they both throw 550-600 from their x step so it really highlights the individual differences from person to person.
The speed of leg and hip extension will be a product of physical abilities and how rapid someone’s acceleration patterns are.
Pretty please, bring up anterior pelvic tilt and how it's impossible to brace and/or rotate with any power for those who have it. The curvature it produces in the lumbar spine causes the whole powerchain to turn into a (relatively brittle) shock absorber.
Agreed! Luckily, BlitzDG (Clint) already has an awesome video on that topic, I'm glad he made it to help spread awareness on the pelvic tilt issue.
Excellent information Nick. TY. Conceptually would it benefit to show the relationship of the Trebuchet components with the human body? Thanks for considering.
You're welcome :) and that's a cool video idea, walking through the similarities in how a trebuchet and disc golf throw happen. Could be a good collab idea to do with TrebDG as well.
Okay guys I need some help simplifying my bag. My distance drivers, current bagged discs the flight numbers are what I think they actually fly like, (s)stands for seasoned (vs) very seasoned, DX beast (10/5/-4/1)(160g)(s), neutron wave (11/5/-2.75/1) (165g)(vs), star mystere (11/6/-2/1.5)(s), champion mystere 11/6/-1 / 2, Proton(plastic) Photon 11/5/-.5/ 3, Z thrasher 12/4.5/-3/1 (VS),Z crank 13/5/-2/2 (VS), Z nuke 13/5/ -.75 / 3, Star Shryke 13/6/-2/2, I blend Pharoah 13/6/-2.75/2(s), D3 air 13/6/-3.5/2 (157g)(S), blizzard boss 13/5/-1.25/2.75 (138g)(s).
My max distance is pretty inconsistent. My worst days should still be about 400’ but 435’ is a number I should hit most days when I have a proper tee pad and an open fairway. My Nuke will normally only go about 385’ but I have gotten it out to 440’ on flat ground.
Today I got to borrow a 168g G-star Corvette and down a huge hill and a perfect wind I pushed it out to 640ft. (honestly I was already looking at the corvette and now I have no idea what to throw). I do play at elevation. according to my card mates, who have traveled and played. they think a fresh Z nuke would be the disc I would like as a shapeable distance driver. If anyone has any ideas and thoughts I'd love to hear them.
when pulling through the power pocket one thing i see that bugs me is how Simons elbow is down literally pointing towards the ground vs others pointing more away from you so outward is the word i guess.. i wonder which is better for sling shot speaking in a functionality of the joints perspective?
9:10 this was the key that got me to 550ft+ if you look how much back he shows to his target.. it allows for a straight line pull through so he can pull through cleanly and body doesnt get in his way at all!
Agreed! Getting that butt moving to the target going into the pelvic rotation phase is huge for power.
slow linear energy stored in the body transferred to kinetic energy into the disc.. i like how you said that. how does a 3mph part transfer 60mph into another part.. interesting!
idk if you thought about it but you are smart enough to understand the CHATGPT when asking it scientifically about most ideal throwing forms.. i tried to talk with it about form years ago but was very hard to understand i would ask ? like is a flat nose better then nose down and how to achieve such things etc.
I'll have to try that, I haven't messed with chatgpt too much yet.
how do i keep my center of mass behind my front leg? i always tend to lean forward during the throw instead of being more centered
Something that can help is to make sure you keep your head centered between your feet during your reachback, then when your foot lands, think about snapping your hips onto the front leg while keeping the upper body relaxed, that way your upper body stays behind the plant leg as your hips drive the throw.
Great video! How does sb22 buttwipe drill affect to COM/brace?
That's a great drill for feeling the sensation of the pelvis shifting and rotating onto the brace leg. In a full throw, things will move similarly just with more power and speed.
Thanks for the insight!
@@pisteville7797 👍you're welcome!
WIll and Simon their braces are like kick stands on a motorcycle vs me and many others are pretty much on TOP of the brace or even worse falling over the brace.. i wonder if one could create a brace drill for stand still where you are starting off in that kickstand brace position since i cant find it in my natural throw..?
See my One Leg Drill, Whip Step Drill, Elephant Walk Drill.
be cool to see you tackle sidearms!
I've been developing mine pretty recently so once I've reached good competence with it, I'd like to start coaching for it as well.
i thought i was doing something wrong in the sense sometimes my brace foot doesnt rotate until waaaay after i throw and my leg looks twisted BUT if Wiggins is doing that then i cant be doing it wrong their.. i see what you mean by the rotation is to relieve stress from the throw vs actively doing it!
This will vary with how flared/angled the foot is, more closed = pivots earlier. Also depends on your anatomy, I have very loose ankle ligaments/almost non-existent so my foot pivots later, meanwhile if I wear my ankle brace my foot pivots much earlier.
15:13 Looking at the recommened video, are you also into storm chasing / weather?
Yep :p been really into weather my whole life, just have to live vicariously through the storm chasers on CZcams since Florida isn't the best for trying to chase tornadoes haha!
Love it! Very active year so far
@@SixSided it's been crazy for sure! and not slowing down anytime soon
How much of a role do you think the glutes play in a standstill drive?
Quite a bit, especially if we push off the rear leg to shift the hips forward very aggressively into the front leg.
@@NickKrush.DGandFit To chime in, my left ass cheek is probably the most used muscle in my throw. It's the first thing to get sore if I don't rest enough.
I'm hitting my standstills at 68 mph more often now that I have a radar and can see the numbers.
Hitting 65 is easy, but when I try to add power I hit 60 more often than 68. Crazy! Tensing up somehow.
I can also easily hit around 58 without even doing a reach back at all... Meaning basically no reach back and just exploding on the spot.
Could you explain your cues in the standstill and maybe I can use some of them... Or not.
Clint's standstill is not transferable to an X step. And yours is more similar to what I do, or we all do, which is explode at the right time, so maybe you could help me speed up my progress.
Before reaching the moment the body wants to explode the throw, how do you get the power in the extra reach back? Do you merely let the body bounce back after the coil or do you power in before.
All this is very personal I know. But in your maximum coil. What is your workings/thoughts in that moment?
Any poetic word pooping could be helpful. I came this far on my own after all.
I think in general as we maximize power in our standstill, it will deviate from how the x-step looks because the lateral hip shift that occurs after peak coil on the standstill is trying to make up for the lack of momentum carried through an x-step.
That being said, there's nothing wrong the standstill looking and feeling different than the x-step, it's a completely different way of throwing in general but has lots of transferrable patterns.
When I try to increase power on my standstill, I widen my stance and use a bigger lateral hip shift. When I reach max coilback, I think about pushing my hips onto my front legs followed by a very fast rotation/snap of the hips, and let everything up top follow smoothly and relaxed.
@@NickKrush.DGandFit Thanks Nick.
Yeah, maybe I should stop experimenting now and just put in the hours. I don't think I do anything differently at this point in the standstill sequence wise than anyone else creeping up on 70 and beyond. I mean, what you say at the end is exactly how I feel I am doing.
I probably just start getting timing issues passing 65.
Clean up the timing
Explode harder
Clean up timing
Explode harder.
Work work work
Then I will probably hit 70.
Time to dust off George st Pierre's Rushfit fitness videos😉
@@AxisDiscPowers you're welcome and that sounds like a great plan you have there. Nearing 70mph is already pretty elite for standstills so any gains you make from here on out will be icing on the cake!