Why Britain Never Made Another Harrier Jump Jet | INTEL
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- The Harrier and VSTOL is the focus of this episode. How and why was the first jump jet designed/engineered? This video tells the story of an iconic British aircraft and explains why we don't have a new version of the Harrier flying around today.
It started when the world was locked in a Cold War. With VSTOL aircraft meaning less reliance on large, vulnerable air stations.
But that's just the start, the really interesting story comes later - when the US and UK began to look for a replacement for the AV8B/Harrier II.
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I'm an American Marine Corps veteran from the 80's and I had the privilege to witness the Harriers first hand. It's easy to be arrogant and praise our F-35 and it definitely needs to be respected, but the British sometimes get neglected for their innovations that the world takes pride in.
We (Americans) wouldn't be here without them (the British).
We British too often loose out to big money, and our ideas go off to the USA more often than not.
As a former US Marine air winger who serviced Ground Support Equipment, I have had the chance to witness the Harrier up very close quite a bit. Nothing is like the high pitched whine of that engine.
... as a Brit I thank you Sir! (the F-35 is so brilliantly beautiful)
I am also a former Marine from the same time frame. I remember how incredibly capable the Harrier was. I loved watching it in the range in MCAGCC in Twentynine Palms. I'd be standing on the bench, inside of our AMTRAC, with the top open, and watch the Harriers do strafing runs on their targets. The buzzing roar of their canons roaring across the entire landscape and filling the entire sky with that sound was thrilling.
I was sad to see it taken out of service.
Answer: "It's complicated"
Short answer: "Politicians!"
Now I hate politicians even more...
With upgraded Harriers we wouldn't need aircraft carriers.
Politicians have no right in choosing shit for combat.
Yep Politicians would get awards for pushing another nations jets such as the F35 that can only claim a top speed of mach 1.2 as the F35 standard is not vertical tack off and still cant do mach 2 i think only 1200MPH is its max unloaded and in testing. because of the structure of all types of stealth aircraft speed is limited. As the Raptor which claimed mach 2. Even now the only plane to hit over mach1 in a vortical clime is the old electric lightning. But there was a secrete Harrier being built along side the normal one. Only one was built tested for the air force made to be faster than mach1 in 1969 but our government did not like spending money so after testing which is still secrete information the plane disappeared. There are photos of it some on the internet looks similar to the harrier but looked like the Jaguar on other angles. With modern materials I think they could had made a more efficient and better harrier perhaps closer to Mach2. Using the new Rolls Royce jet engine that is lighter and far more powerful than the normal harrier.
@@jonathanvince8173 lot going on in that post, almost too many to google... got any sources?
The advances of modern computing can't be understated in this. In the Harrier, you were the computer. In the F35, as that F35 pilot said...it does everything for you. Very useful for a weapons platform. I still love the Harrier, though, seeing it at airshows was always a treat. The amount of skill it took to be able to do the kinds of things the Harrier could do in one was crazy even against the already crazy skills of fighter pilots
Ya... you look at the operational losses, not combat, just the operational losses, and you start to realize this jet was more of a danger to itself, than the enemy.
Dumping the Harrier is typical of British political and defence decisions, going back to the TSR2. If it's good, abandon it.
@@sumott497well that's whats expected when your military far outmatches the enemy.
Like in the gulf war, most of the deaths of the coalition were from friendly fires compared to the enemy. Although bad, it's a good sign that shows your military dominance that when you barely lose any troops to the enemy.
@@diollinebranderson6553 Well now when you dig deeper into why the operational losses occurred, and find that many were due to pilot error thats a problem.
Combat is nasty, and after flying a jet by yourself for several hours, possibly exhausted from pulling G's, the pilot has to pull his brain back together and manually land a jet that doesn't let you relax.
The F-35 will land itself if the pilot is compromised, or not 100% with it. Survivability wise the F-35 will save it's pilot far more readily than the Harrier ever could.
@@sumott497 well duh. The harrier is ancient at this point
I’m proud to have flown in a Harrier. It might have just been for 45 minutes but it’s a memory I’ll cherish forever.
how annoyed are you going to be when you realise that at one minute in, the narrator says 'VSTOL' not 'STOVL' or 'VTOL'. (I have never heard of VSTOL, only VTOL and STOVL.)
@@AlMcpherson79 V/STOL was/is commonly used when referencing the Harrier and Harrier II.
Vertical short takeoff landing
VSTOL?
Not for ever my friend, a dead skull is empty.
@@AlMcpherson79 same
It was the best at what it did for 40+ years. A proven combat platform, and a milestone in aviation history. One of our best.
It wasnt proven against much though. But it was a great idea for small carriers.
@@j.b.2263 Really? Extensive combat operations in just about every major conflict since the Falklands. Flown by Britain, the US, Spain and Italy, it fought in both Gulf wars, Yugoslavia, Kosovo, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Libya, and other parts of Africa, up to attacking ISIS targets. Thousands of bombing missions and reconnaissance sorties. Ground support and ground attack, securing airspace, night and day, land and sea based.
What part of proven do you disagree with?
98% mission success rate in Afghanistan. The best of any jet. Defeated asupersonivpc airforce of top quality Argentine fighters
(@@karentodd6938 ) I think the F-15 would definitely disagree with you, it has NEVER lost a plane in any war..
@@karentodd6938
No. Argentina didnt have top fighters. Whats more they had 3 minutes flying time over the conflict zone, they had no air to air capacity since they where in a sea/ground attack role, they had to carry chaff in there air brake since they had no ecm or flare/chaff deployers, Chile was informing the British when the jets where launched and in which direction which made them easy to intercept.
Afghanistan: well a slow flying jet would have an advantage there where its not up against much either was it? It wasnt deployed to any hotspot though.
I spent time with the British Army of the Rhein and the Royal Air Force in northern Germany. As an American soldier, I can tell you how comforting it was to know that a call away our air support was coming from the RAF Harriers. I have nothing but respect and admiration what the British accomplished with that plane. Now, the F-35 on board the QE class carriers will make a formidable adversary to any aggressor Navy.
Well said.
well, the f-35 is a pretty good plane but it doesn’t even nearly reach the level of speed or armament of russian jets. Yes, it is stealth, but the new Su-57 is also stealth. Also the f-35 is extremely expensive and hard to maintain
@Рамис Карама ig but then isn’t the whole point of carriers being able to strike quickly anywhere on the globe?
@Рамис Карама Let's hope we never have to test your theory.
As a Falklands veteran its always nice to see my old ship (Hms Hermes). I have one photo and, in it you can count 30 harriers parked.
I think that the engineers responsible for developing the Pegasus engine at Bristol Siddeley (before it was taken over by Rolls-Royce), Gordon Lewis and Stanley Hooker, should have been mentioned. Two men my father admired.
I have been to airshows in the US with Marine crewed Harriers, remarkable planes and a lot bigger in person than it appears on the screen or in photographs. I've seen them being flown backwards over the waters of Lake Washington which is mind blowing.
Still should not have retired the Harrier before we had functioning F35s. And its kinda embarrassing on our part considering the U.S and other nations still operate Harriers when we stopped 10 years ago.....
The U.S. Marines will fly the AV-8B Harrier II until 25'.
Mainly due to budge cut and Harrier's maintance cost so British decided to decommission Harrier early on.
The F35 is a joke
@@russell7852 what a stupid Sloth ridden statement..
And we shouldn't have retired the aircraft carriers that went with them.
As a Falklands veteran its always nice to see my old ship (Hms Hermes). I have one photo and, in it you can count 30 harriers parked.
My father served on board INS Viraat (rechristened name when it was sold to India) and was proficient on the Pegasus engine. A beautiful aircraft I must say. A beautiful ship too
if it wasnt for politicians, maybe Britain could have continued with CTOL carriers and Argentina wouldnt have even tried the Falklands
@@pushkarironside8911 aaaa
I have had others argue that it couldn't operate that many Barriers thanks for documenting it. In a video I remember a RAF pilot mentioning 31.
Do not forget that the harrier air superiority against the Argentine air fleet was only due to the 200 US missile AIM-9 Sidewnider. Ronald Reagan speed up its delivery as the war started.
I know it's been almost 2 years since you've made this but I gotta say, amazing video!
Proffesional, interesting, and all around high quality stuff.
I thoroughly enjoyed my role in the design team (avionics) working on the frequency hopping radar for this beautiful machine, First aircraft to fly backwards since the tiger moth in a gale!
What practical use does being able to fly backwards in a real battle have?
@@KondorDCS I think being able to fly backwards might be useful landing on a carrier in high winds.
@@KondorDCS
The ability to fly backwards means that its stall speed was minus 70mph. When fighters get into a tight turning knife fight, they approach their own stall speeds. The Harrier has no stall speed. Its ability to Vector In Forward Flight [VIFF] very quickly alongside its heavy wing loading & small size was what led to it having the 2nd highest air-to-air battle kill ratio behind the F15. And you can't land an F15 on a cargo ship.
@@kevinomalley6517 Yet as the following video shows when the nozzles are rotated fully down in flight the aircraft will in fact stall.
czcams.com/video/8UE9i82Kc_Y/video.html
I was a SFN (Specialist Field Nurse) with a Harrier Squadron, the highlight of my RAF career was sitting in the back seat of a training harrier and being introduced to a short take of from a field in Germany. WOW the acceleration was awesome, thrust back into the seat I could hardly move.
Not RAF Wegberg, by any chance? I was stationed just down the road in Birgelen and used to watch them lift out of the woods.
I was an SFS, and I did a lot of operations in the back seat of a harrier
I've had some very sad arguement's with my son connected with this subject, he seems to have been taught that the UK has nothing whatso ever to be proud of in our history, I've try to inform him of the wonderful engineering skills and imagination we had that brought the likes of the spitfire, hurricane, typhoon, mosquito, Lancaster, meteor, Canberra, vulcan, Victor, valiant, lightning, tsr2, harrier, buccaneer, concord etc etc etc etc etc, and this was just one particular industry, but it means nothing to him, there are many politicians that deserved to locked up and the key thrown away, not just for allowing it to happen but actively taking part in the demise of the UK's reputation.
Sorry to say this but, you're sons a leftie.
@@Showloveclothing ohh Hell yes, im not taking offence, it is what it is, he thinks he's a liberal but doesn't understand how far the left has moved over to the left, he thinks I'm far right and doesn't even acknowledge that there might be a right of center, a right, or even a genuine center as i would understand it, the fact that i have voted both labour and conservative in the past means nothing, I've already been judged, it started when he returned from uni and slowly got worst I'm afraid, I'm sure he will level off to some degree as he gets older but i have to admit i begrudge the possibility of losing these years to what seems to me a far left ideology that prevails at this time, and the real burn is he is so damned clever in the book sense, its the wisdom that is missing unfortunately I'm afraid.
@@casperslaststandme5991 Well, there are certain things that really shine in the history of the UK, such as kicking off industrialisation. That being said, I have noticed that the UK in general hasn't bothered critically reflecting their past. Even today there is a significant amount of people glorifying "The Empire", i.e. brutal colonial oppression of people around the world. I don't think your son is "far left". You, on the other hand, suggest "locking up politicians and throwing the key away". I know this is not meant to be taken literally, but think about what you're really suggesting here.
Don't stop trying! British engineers, scientists and inventors pretty much laid the foundations of the modern world...we were the first industrialised nation after all.
It is a crying shame that successive governments have allowed (or forced) the atrophy of our defence industry to the point that the only thing we do entirely ourselves is building warships.
It is embarrassing that we're now reliant on the US to provide aircraft for the RAF and Royal Navy...at least until / unless the Tempest project is given the green light.
@@Hurricane2k8 hello there hurricane, firstly let me thank you for a reasoned and thoughtful reply :), yes the lock them up and throw away the key was a somewhat tounge in cheek remark, and yes the days of empire and colonialism are of course long past, but should we judge them by todays standards and if we do are we to do so on an impartial manner ?, there were many knock on benifits that country's like india gained from that time, hence the fact they are more advance by todays standards than others having been left a huge amount of infrastructure, a high price to pay of course but still a benifit denied to other colonies of other countrys one might say, your point about our own industrial revolution can also be viewed on the other side of the coin as it were, there was a huge amount of suffering caused by that time period, the working class at that time would be considered as virtual slaves by todays standards, but benifits also came from it, not just national economical benifits of course but child labour laws, security of housing health care charitable aid and many others, and many if these lessons were exported also, we tend to look on the bright side of things out of self preservation of course, its, human nature, one of the worst of the colonies of course was that of the Belgium congo, but Germany, the Dutch, France, spain, portugal, Italy, Japan, China, the USA to some extent although carried out in a somewhat different manner, the Soviet Union, the Arabs caliphates and many many others all indulged in this practise, i think it is the fact that the UK seems to be the go to empire to beat someone on the head without acknowledging the many others that gets peoples backs up in this regard that makes them wish to defend the past when thats what it should be regarded as, the past, as i tell my kids 'all that is old is not. Necessarily bad all that is new s not Necessarily good' :).
This was and still is an incredibly fantastic achievement and forever will be, the lads and lasses who worked and flew on this incredible aircraft were amazing.
I've watched a few programs about the Harrier and many of the pilots who flew them said it wasn't just about vertical takeoff and landing it was what you could do with it in mid-air combat that made it so good. It could do things no other aircraft could and still to this day can't do which gave it a big advantage in a dog fight so it's a sadly missed aircraft
@David Ogborn the troops i knew who served in the Falklands all legend para engineers of 9 squadron like proper heros us young lads looked up to all having the same stories , and later on you tube the Argentinians were scared so much of the jets so much , like any jet noise they would duck instantly, not as much in my day but my mate who's dad was an sbs photographer told me "he was scottish" told us of the day he truly knew about his dad's war days cos of the mountain run all the jets through 2 went by an my mate said his dad just disappeared, he had gone to ground behind a rock , I don't know why I think of it so often , it was the screams of the jets which thankfully I never encountered the front end of , but I'm still aware of it an im frightened
@David Ogborn Thank you for the history lesson 👍
VIFFing was a technique first demonstrated by then Marine Corps Captain Harry Blot in 1970. The technique was/is part of the Marine Corps' training syllabus for Harrier/Harrier II pilots as their Harriers were equipped with air-to-air missiles from the get go. Not so with the Brits. When the nozzles are rotated the jet doesn't simply stop in mid air. The nose pitches down and lift is rapidly lost causing the aircraft to roll.
czcams.com/video/8UE9i82Kc_Y/video.html
Yep they still don't have a heat seeking missile that will go sideways!
Incredible aircraft - I spent my time in the RN as a harrier engineer and its capability still astounds me to this day. I took that for granted whilst working on them but in retrospect they were completely revolutionary.
A monumental loss for our military!
Too bad its a 60 year old design id love to see them stay.
US MARINES don't fly junk. Their adoption of the Harrier Jump Jet says volumes.....
Thank our politicians, as they know best ?
The Harrier's "required operational capability" is being met with another airframe. A different airplane. A more capable airplane.
@@jds6206 Yes, love the Harrier, but outdated at this time ...
I love how CZcams recommended me this after I know War Thunder New Update gonna add the Harrier
same here lol . Can`t wait to have some memes with it .
I wanna hover over 2s6 and drop bombs Lmfaoo
Also same here
New (Over)Power
Well the reason is CZcams finds you watching videos with the Harrier as titel and gives you more. Its pretty funny tho i also agree.
I watched one of these at an air show. The noise was incredible, it was spell binding, and I wish that I had been able to take a movie. Once seen, never forgotten.
That "You are fired" is one of the most legendary clips I've seen on CZcams
A rather grand friend had a house right next to their testing airfield. You'd be in the garden, having tea, and one of these things would slowly rise above the trees, almost at the bottom of the garden. She said she loved watching them. They were very noisy, but wonderful to watch.
Imagine sitting in your garden looking at your treetops and watching one of these rise up from behind staring you down
this is the most british thing i've ever had the pleasure of reading
Hahaha.. The pilot wanted to see what cream cakes was on the tea-table!!!
You use clever words, but you remain stupid.
@@Harry-xu2yn "Hey Kids, wanna buy some freedom?" the Harrier would say.
Getting rid of it was a disgrace. As a Falklands Vet I have a great memories of what they did for us.
Absolutely. The most disgusting thing was that the Harrier had just had an upgrade and would have been able to serve the Raf for many years to come. But the pen pushers, decided to save a few quid. And, I remember the press conference given by Cameron. Wrong on so many levels. The entire harrier fleet, was sold to America, for the price of one airframe apparently. If so, that's not exactly good business.
Lol, the harrier only destroyed a few Argentine jets.
@@chrometutor-tipstricksandt9427 and what was the k/d ratio hm?
ChromeTutor! - Tips, tricks, and tutorials 21 and we only had 20 harriers
@@SamanthaGuttesen ..Typically the UK, Cameron is all about the money in the bank, never about National heritage. We could have Licensed the technology to the states, and had something back, but, typical UK Politicians, sold us out, again ...
A very well produced and informative presentation. I had the pleasure of interviewing Billie Flynn a few years back when he was here in Australia on a PR tour for the F-35A. A very knowledgeable man, and passionate advocate for this platform.
Very interesting and brilliantly made film on the Harrier. As a kid in the sixties, I remember building an Airfix model kit of the P.1127 which was the forerunner to the Harrier. And the thrill of seeing one at Southend Air Show many years ago. Hovering over the sea, moving backwards, tilting slightly up and then bang - it seemed like it just shot up in a second. Awesome, and it scared the hell out of my six year old with the noise!
The Harrier has always been my favorite! That was a tremendous step in aviation and the Brits should be well proud of it! Lovely aircraft. Great job with this video, too! 👏
Best Flying Machine ever invented, shame they used so much
fuel, they could probably fix that eventually.
Worked on the Harriers 1978-1982, VMA542, Cherrypoint, N.Carolina.
Flightline/ Powerplants. Never got tired of seeing them fly. Amazing machines!
VMA-231 and VMAT-203 '79-86. Few of these folks know what they're talking about...
@@halbennett4491 I heard they combined 542 and 231 into one squadron. Always wanted to get my back seat license on the trainers. Never got the chance.
Nice to hear from a fellow Cherrypointer! Semper Fi Marine!
Me too... 1978-1982, VMA542, Cherrypoint, N.Carolina.
Avionics. Got out in '82. Semper Fi !!
@@Barron5362 Hey man! Good to hear from a fellow 542 alumni 😀
We kicked ass didn't we! Remember getting banned from going back to Puerto Rico! Semper Fi brother.
I remember in the mid 70s going past Farnborough Airfield on the school bus and seeing Harriers taxiing and taking of, it was and still is my favourite aircraft of its type.
Incredibly fascinating. Cheers to all involved! 👍🏾
I saw these at air shows in the 80's very impressive jets. They'd come to a dead stop in front of the audience, backup, rotate, bow, then exit at full throttle.
I remember them bowing to the audience!
I remember being on exercise with BAOR 1976 - 85 and seeing Harriers in the countryside under the huge camo-nets or in the air. Fantastic.
I consider myself very fortunate to have witnessed a Harrier demonstration at Donnington Park some years ago. It was awesome in the truest sense of the word. I had goosebumps and tears in my eyes as it hovered for one last ime, dipped it's nose then disappeared over the horizon.
Well crafted video, thanks. Engineers don't get enough credit for the incredible feats they accomplish.
And politicians don't get enough shit for the endless dissapointments they provide.
Yes Engineers deserve credit, but they also deserve ridicule for their either impossible feats on paper or the insane capitol it costs to build their Idea's and they always leave KISS on the back burner which always ends up being their own demise...unless of course you work for a U.S. Auto maker then hell WTF just pass the faults onto the American consumer.
What feats? Killing pilots or bragging rights for being able to take off from a very short runway with an almost unappreciable weapons load?
my first time ever seeing a harrier for real was somewhere in the UK, around 1984 i believe.. it flew right over the highway at pretty low level and we were in a car. i was 12, can still remember it clearly.
What a fabulous engineered unit. I used to watch them flying and pretend landing at Bournemouth Airport. They always gave a 'nod' to the tower upon completion. We still are a great engineering country and when needs must will turn up trumps when needed.
Working in aerospace electronics, I was fortunate to have VIP tickets for the Farnborough Airshow. We were allowed on the apron while a Harrier took off vertically and did low level vectored manoeuvres. Awesome sight. Even with ear defenders I could feel the sound resonating in my chest. The AN-225 was also there but for some reason did not fly on the day.
It's not possible to minimize the Harrier's significance in military aviation history. It is and will always be an iconic legend.
One of these crashed in the field at the back of my house just prior to me moving to Australia in 1999 (ZD345) when I lived near Fosdyke in Lincolnshire. They were clearing off the top soil for a week, meanwhile a Canberra was flying overhead for a couple of days taking reconnaissance pictures.
Unfortunately one of their weaknesses they were difficult to land and take off…many of them crashed 😮
My first ten years of life were living on RAF bases, as my father was an airman, and though aircraft were taking off and landing 24/7 just yards from where we lived in some locations, you get used to it. I still feel a pervasive sense of nostalgia. (Miss you, Dad)
You get so used to the noise that living in suburbia with it's relative silence makes it almost impossible to get to sleep! It took me a few days to adjust when I enlisted, but it took me weeks to adjust when I got out.
I understand. From age 3 to age 6, I was in a SAC B-52 base--B-52 's and KC 135 tankers everywhere.
sorry for your loss :(
The Harrier is one amazing piece of engineering
Thank you for wonderful video. It reminded me all the Good time I had in UK-yeovilton for 2 years when I was being train on Sea-Harrier as Electrical Engineer.
This was fascinating. Thank you so much for all the time and the effort that you spent to make such a thorough video. I had always wondered why there was no next generation Harrier and now I know.
The Harrier is one of my all time favorite air show aircraft. It does things no other aircraft does. The US Marines love it, used it extensively in Desert Storm and still use it in limited numbers today. Several years ago the US government purchased the UK's remaining fleet of Harriers to extend the use of them and replace those worn out in USMC service. I remember my dad, who worked at McDonnell Douglas, the US builder of the AV-8B, rave about the aircraft. They were proud to be building it.
All of the UK Harrier IIs purchased by the Marine Corps are being used for spare parts. None remain flying.
The answer: Its complicated
The actual answer: Mismanagement of the country by politicians.
Same answer why its still malfunctioning today lmfao
Not really. If you watch the video you'd see there was no way to rework the harrier, 11:09
You have to take in progress as a factor - the World does not stand still but sometimes people do.
It's not the 60's, or even the 80's, Lockheed spent billions developing it. Also the amount of tech is amazing. As you can see in the video the VTOL was the complicated part.
Very original comment, almost like the original has 1k likes on the exact same video you’re commenting on?
Saved to "air" folder. This is a really good show. Thank you for making it!
worked in aerospace and defence my entire life, including my favourite song, "I'm beaning followed by a Storm Shadow"
This channel is brilliant. The Harrier is a legend. I was sad when it went
Let's be ownest. Harrier is a legend because that airplane never took part in the war against capable enemy.
@@ryszardsokolowski1999 there's F-35B now, the harrier is obsolete and useless. Harrier only scored kills from world's first all aspect AIM-9L with high hit percentage.
@@ryszardsokolowski1999 There hasn't been a properly symmetrical conflict since WWII. The Harrier proved itself in the Falklands. 21 jets down, NO loses against allegedly "better" fighters (A-4 Skyhawks, IAI Daggers Super Etendards and Mirage IIIs) and it is still a capable aircraft with capabilities unavailable to the majority of countries. The Harrier is a proven effective combat aircraft.
@@ryszardsokolowski1999 The Sea Harrier was an afterthought for air defence of small carriers.. The original Harrier idea was always to be a close support/ground attack aircraft, able to deploy close to the front line where it was needed. If the The Hawker Siddeley P.1154 had been developed to production versions. The future of all combat aircraft would have changed, particularly naval aviation.
@@gonzomuse those kills were made by AIM-9L, world's first all aspect IR guided air to air missiles. Argentine fighters are old and lacked head on engagement missiles, only rear aspect old magic missiles. If British didn't force French to reveal weakness of Exocet anti-ship missile, the entire British fleet would have lost. Mind you that Argentina was being placed on embargo by American government leaving most of Argentine aircraft grounded due to no parts. If Soviet Union had access to sell weapons to Argentina, things would have been different and harriers will be in trouble.
The UK owned aircraft development. Tornado, Jaguar, Harrier. TSR2. Cold war jets designed to take off from farm yards, self starting, robust, low maintenance and intercept the enemy within 3 minutes. I remember Harriers round here stationed in small forest clearings. Quite unique.
if only the tsr2 could have made it into production. it was incredible.
The Jaguar was a collaboration with France with SNECMA producing the engines.The Tornado was a joint effort with France,Germany,Italy with only the engines supplied by RR.The Harrier and TSR2 was all British.
The UK fell short when it came to ironing out glitches and selling their aircraft. The DeHavilland Comet is a perfect example. Not having the biggest military budget and financial constraints also didn't help.
British labour party in government cancelled TSR2 on request of Russia.
@@waltersansom127 Blatantly not true , USA scuppered deal & offered F111 as replacement, which would've cost more than whole TSR2 programme !
I recently visited the aviation museum next to Munich. There I saw many if these huge crazy German VTOL designs. These are pretty impressive
Hats off to all those technical staffs , test pilots and all members of the team ,..... regards from India
When Britain first made the harrier in the 60s we where a manufacturing nation now we couldn't manufacture a paper bag!!! The British aircraft industry is on its knee's
i mean, the UK is still very big in aviation production.
@@ddha0000 we have rolls royce we build wings for airbus we gave away our helicopter industry to the Italians we do not have the capacity to build and indigenous combat aircraft of our own nor a passenger aircraft of our own we've pulled out of the jet trainer market we build good radars and weapons systems if i was a teacher i would say this child has potential must apply himself and do better
We need paper bags more than the plastic ones. and with most decisions it's the politicians that cock it up and a few years later move on.
@@martinburke362 Whats tempest then you moron?
Go start an aircraft manufacturing business then....
Unfortunately we've stopped investing in design and manufacturing here in the UK.
We lived at RAF Wittering when I was a teenager. My dad picked me up from school one day. We went short cut cutting through near the airfield. We had to stop as a harrier was taking off vertically. That was amazing.🎉
This used to be the fighter I like most during my childhood.
*remember opening up a box of WeetBix and seeing a card with a harrier on it, fell in love with all things aerodynamic in a second.
Damn I wish we still had the Harrier, such a bloody good aircraft
@Izno Iznogoud Falklands campaign proves you wrong.
@Izno Iznogoud nobody ever died in a harrier since the falkland war lmao
@1:06 don't look at the graphics, look at the rest of the frame. I LOVE IT!
@@EricTViking it shot down 25 A-4 and Super Etendard attack aircraft, 1 cargo plane, 1 cessna, and 1(only 1) fighter...a Mirage that fell into the harriers airspace after a highspeed stall causing a flatspin...The harriers only advantage was its STOVL...its performance was Mundane, even in the 80s
@@EricTViking If anything the Falklands proved the issues with the tiny Invincible ski slope boats...And that Ark Royal with Real Fighters couldve saved alot of lives, as the harrier never managed to actually protect the airspace, which it was rather poor at, in response and intercept times...
Wow! That was well made. Thank you for this!
I was lucky enough to see a Harrier jet when I was about 36 years old on CZcams 5 minutes ago. I won’t forget it. 😭
I remember driving to a TRADA site at Princess Risborough in the late 60's early 70,s and stopping at some remote traffic signals down a country lane. thinking they were not working I edged forward, one of these monsters took off next to me in the woods. A memory that stays with me now.
Love the talks from the folk involved in designing it.
Imagine my surprise when one of these landed on the beach beside me in NE England in the 80's. Absolutely fabulous!
Great video, cheers from the US. Amazing airplane, it really captured my imagination as a kid. Have to appreciate the incredible brilliance of our British allies.
Ill never forget my first glimpse of a harrier in early 1982 while stationed at USMCAS Cherry Point North Carolina. It was exciting to watch them in action nearly every day.
i served with the Harrier force in Germany in the 70s & it was a brilliant aircraft, revolutionary concept of co-ordination with ground troops
I was on 3(f) at Gut, mid to late 80's. 13 field deployments done.
@@seanjoseph8637 i was at Wildenrath 73 /76 my sister was at gut in 83 i think
Takes me back to 71 I think. Laarbruch , others went to Gut. and Wildenrath. We were all CCF Air Cadets on camp .
On arrival at ATC were told , 'Sorry , its boring today , too much low cloud :-( '
Seconds later were told ,' hold on have a Harrier coming in '.
Shortly after joined by 4 others , no idea where they came from .
They hovered all over the airfield , almost a 'ballet ' , then one by one , flew off into the clouds .
@@potdog1000 Do you know John Lamonby?
@@seanjoseph8637 name doesnt ring a bell but that soesnt mean a lot as i might have donr by sight, i was there from 73-76 Tactical Supply/stores
I worked on the very first Harrier Flight Simulator as a young SW engineer for Link-Miles in Shoreham-by Sea in West Sussex, England eons ago.
A few years later I was on the Royal Navy Sea Harrier Flight Simulator program. I also was part of the installation & checkout team at RNAS Yeovilton UK and worked with the Royal Navy on this. I actually worked and flew the simulator with the UK RNAS pilot who shot down the first Argentinean fighter in combat during the Falkland’s War.
Harriers are magic.
Seeing an aircraft hanging in midair the first time.
Amazing power and control.
Beautiful plane ...I remember when my dad was stationed at RAF Wittering. He picked me up from school one day and we took a short cut across the airfield.front of us. Absolutely amazing. 👍🇬🇧🇬🇧
Such a BEAUTIFUL and FORMIDABLE fighter. Iconic indeed, legendary for those of us that appreciated its virtues. Many thanks for the video ... and the memories.
You mentioned the Flying Bedstead. That was developed at Woodley near Reading where I lived. I can remember seeing it flying in the early 1950s. No wings, just like an iron bedstead, hence the nickname. I think it used four engines one at each corner but I could well be wrong on that. I thought they were developing the P1154 to be supersonic as a development of the Harrier, but sadly it got cancelled.
This is why CZcams has taken over. Quality content from creators who care to make something good.
Great job.
love the mix of a model kit Harrier on strings with thrust animations added. Great!
I built a 125 engineering team at Hawker Sidley in 60's and then 20 eng for USA company to support US Marines.
It saddens me what a great mess British Engineering has become. It feels like the government and private companies have soaked up and sold off everything my countrymen ever created. As an island we produce almost nothing anymore. Tragic really.
Money money money is a rich government’s world ....Why would British government buy into it ? They now just tag onto the big boys and fly low. The British now are second class at the moment in innovation, technology and intuition, we now follow everybody else. So sad so sad
@@P888JAC there are some interesting combat philosophies in the works, especially for the challenger 3's ability to deploy small combat drones. (we are going to be going full Tau) What is sad is we are leaving behind the Hercules for the Airbus Atlas and that will cost us even more military engineering jobs in this country, while providing a tool that isn't best suited for either of the two very different jobs we are going to give it.
@@joewoodland8635
We need good government to install the greatness we had when all groups were hand in hand..RR ..LOCKHEED. Etc NOT SO MUCH BAE but they are still up there (don’t know why) We got two massive carriers with no British planes contracted to USA I think we lost the plot giving it all away
Britain lost out because politics gave away all of the control we had for a few bucks in advance
Sounds like Australia 🇦🇺
Fish n chips, and... uhh tea, lots of tea
my Uncle was one of the engineers who designed the Harrier, im quite proud to be able to say that, what a legendary machine.
VMA-542, Nice, that was my squadron back in the early 90's. I was an Ordinance man on the AV8-B and C. The A's were scary, the B's and C's were pretty stable.
All very good. Just shows how good Harrier pilot's were and are.
I love this aircraft. I worked on the BITE of the FADEC in 1983-1984. I think it was the GR4. We need to revive the British aviation industry.
Amazing content. So well-researched and filmed. I've just finished the book "Hostile Skies" by David Morgan and just find this aircraft, and VSTOL in general, amazing. Thanks for making this video.
I remember being at Dunsfold late 60s doing an interview for a job on the ILS equipment and being interrupted by a Harrier taking off next to the hut I was in, wonderful aircraft, shame TSR2 was cancelled, we could have been well ahead of the game!
politicians and civil servants , the curse of Briain .
typo error , Britain not Briain .
Harold Wilson . Bless him.
I was an undergrad apprentice at Hawkers in Ham near Kingston in 1965. I worked on the XP... (pre-1127 and Harrier) prototype and spent a great summer at Dunsfold where flight testing took place.
It's one of my favourite planes, and nothing will change that. the harrier is just amazing, and looks like something out of a scifi movie
Harrier looks amazing even today ... Vertical take off and hovering, very nice!
Fantastic plane The Ides was Thought up in my local pub THE FLYING BEADSTESD LOL :)
The Pegasus Engine WAS Brilliant..
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You know, when I was a kid I used to watch BFBS..... 4 hours a day, 2 in the morning, 2 in the evening. For those who are wondering, it was the British Forces Broadcasting Service, and back in those days before Sat TV and Internet, it was the only English Language TV for troops and service families living in bases around the world.
very good job, especially w the graphics. As a career military guy I really love that new carrier you Brits built. Love the glazing and the size of the thing is impressive. I never thought another country would go w a big carrier design again. Most were happy with those Mistral class light carriers
Thankyou for a very well presented video. It answered a few questions I had about the birth and passing of one of the most iconic planes I could name.
Fair to say it served well in the purpose it was designed for, but it wasn't going to meet the requirements of more modern warfare.
The designs and mechanics involved for the harrier, I don't think they will fall out of consideration just yet.
The airforces required something else for warfare, but the way the harrier worked may well get used for something else later.
Memories, Brian Hanrahan counting them out and counting them all back in again!!
We still miss it here at its home in Wittering, Cambridgeshire.
I saw these at air shows in the 80's very impressive jets. They'd come to a dead stop in front of the audience, backup, rotate, bow, then exit at full throttle.
Noisy bloody things tearing down the welland valley !! Ejoyed watching them tho as a kid.....
Spent 6 happy years based at Wittering in the 80s.
Oh, and this well crafted and narrated video gets you a sub.
I was on a beach in Weston super mare when a couple of harriers, for no obvious reason, came and performed a short show just in front of us. The two planes stopped, hovered about 20 metres up, went slowly backwards, and then bowed, all in perfect coordination. So impressive.
I worked at BAe Kingston Upon Thames in the 80s where they made Harriers and Hawks. I was like a pig in sh*t. I loved it and will always remember those times. So sad they started closing the factories. Eventually the site was raised to the ground and has expensive housing right on the Thames. Very sad.
Great video! Thank you. It helps me understand what's being built in my area.
It would be interesting to see more of the developement history of the Harrier, from the days of the Hawker Siddley P1127 (Kestrel) which was, I believe, the prototype of the Harrier.
You might also cover the P1121, a concept that never came to fruition but was interesting for it's time (1950s) as a supersonic aircraft design.
and the Short SC1 which was the daddy of them all.
I worked around Harriers a lot in the U.S. military. Very cool technology at the time.
I never knew it has so many short comings. Thanks.
I remember when the Fleet Air Arm retired the Sea Harrier, they were contacted by USAFE at RAF Lakenheath.
They paid for the Sea Harriers,to spend a fortnight dog fighting F 15 aircraft, at low level.
A good swan song for a great aircraft.
I did a detachment to Lakenheath way back and we took a load of Harriers up there proper great detachment that was way before they retired though
Afghanostan has NO air force !
All a waste of money. Stealth drones supersonic drones even multiple warhead cruise missiles just around the corner. Carriers like the queen Elizabeth could be changed to handle this tech. Imagine 20 interceptor drones above the carrier 24 7. And 30 odd strike attack drones in a in a high te soon theatre.
F35 It's the last big combat aircraft project.ANOTHER 10 YEARS it will be obsolete.
@@rutherfojr TBH, spending the money we do trying to find more efficient ways to kill each other is ALL a waste of money!
BUT - if we are to stay 'free' then we must ensure that we have at least as big a stick as the other guy and, if they're not better, then at least that we have a damn site more of them! :-)
Finally, 'just around the corner' means when, in terms of years? :-)
@@rutherfojr Why do you believe there's a need for intercept drones near a destroyer or carrier?
It'll take quite a few planes launching even more missiles to damage anything of the forward operating vessels afloat today; it'd be like"kamakazi".
I'll give the video a like for the puppet! It's the visible streaming airflows that got me :D
The movie True Lies made me fall in love with this jet
I always get excited when I see it in games and movies and I hope I can see one in person
I spent 4 years on IV(AC) Squadron the best years of my life, I've worked on Tornado, Hawk, Typhoon as well. There is only one plane that I fell in love with the GR7... The best..
At Cottesmore?
@@seanjoseph8637 Yes mate on IV (AC).. 2001
@@zippy5131 My last tour was there in the Hyd bay, still live locally. It is now Kendrew Barracks and full of squadies.
@@seanjoseph8637 So you'd probably know Paul Coombes. Used to go fishing with him for the Station.
@@zippy5131Aye I know Paul, I haven't seen him for a long time though. I remember he used to disappear to do his fishing, I think he even went to the states on an exped. I'm pretty sure you and I know each other by sight at least.
My closest experience with a harrier, was sitting at traffic light with a harrier hovering above my window in the roof of my car. The sensation of being squashed into the road surface was amazing. No fear, just a sense of wonderment.
Great presentation, graphics, and even music which I usually hate. Great work thank you.
I still think the Harrier could be a great ground support weapon even today just the same way the Americans use the A10 Warthog and it has an added bonus as it can be close to the front line
mw; No, just no. It's an obsolete 50 year old design. That's why the F-35 was developed.
@@KB4QAA is that why it was used in Afghanistan for ground support by the USA Spanish and the British . it's more versatile than the A10 faster than an A10 and can carry more weapons than a F35 and as for air to air it did pretty damn well in the Falklands war against the same era of enemy planes . and the F35 is a first strike aircraft designed to go in take out radar systems and establish air superiority so the rest of your planes that aren't stealthy can go in and take out targets like takes artillery and air bases
@@boermed *NEWS FLASH* The Harriers are being retired and replaced by the F-35!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@boermed "and can carry more weapons than a F35"(sic)
Incorrect.
At 14:57 - I realise my analogy here may be a stretch for some but here it is. This guy's point reminds me of when I was learning computer programming at University. Our tutor had us spend two weeks of familiarisation exercises on the editor software we were using. The logic was that when we got to programming we should be thinking only of the program and not about the mechanics of typing, editing, saving, etc, etc. Given the limits of the human mind and body, and the advantages in being able to focus fully on the mission what this chap is saying can only be a very good thing.