legal advice on when you need to show ID to police in canada
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- čas přidán 7. 03. 2012
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Do you have to show ID to police?
Lawyer, Davin Charney, gives an overview of the law in Canada.
Produced for the Centre for Police Accountability (C4PA).
www.c4pa.ca
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Twitter: @thec4pa
Useful law:
R v Honoroski 2003 ABPC canlii.ca/t/57jz
R v Moore 1979 SCC canlii.ca/t/1z76c
"If we don't assert our rights then there really is no point in having rights."
Proof: Not enough people are doing so under COVID rule. Hence massive loss of rights!
True in thought but in reality, the police have the power to do what ever and make up stories that you have to provide id . I’ve found it’s best just to submit right away , be polite . Saves you money time and you don’t have to miss work for false charges due to the police flexing who is boss .
Courts always take the police word before any law abiding citizens.
Refuse id equals obstruct charge , if you push the issue more most likely you’ll have a second charge of assault police . Very costly in time and money .
Rights are on the decline in Canada
@@bulljolly7028 this is why you record your encounters with government officials! at that point they can't lie.
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record or live stream, either way make sure to set it up so it automatically uploads a back up to the cloud.
police love to delate data off personal devices once obtained.
@@bulljolly7028Sounds like your advising victims to allow criminals to harass them and cooperate with their abusers?
Nice to see some advice for us Canadians. Thank you.
Video is very much needed. THANKS. Our police are no better trained than most US police, and are used to demanding ID of anyone, anywhere. One time in a Winnipeg Police Station, I tried to get police help to retrieve a stolen camera but the desk officer said a crime hadn't been committed. I didn't agree and wanted to look up the Criminal Code of Canada myself. I politely asked for his copy of the Criminal Code. The cop just laughed in my face. "We don't have that here." Imagine... the Bible that should be governing their actions religiously, and they think it's ridiculous that anyone would even ask to look at it, since they sure haven't looked at for years.
A police officer is required to read you the criminal code of Canada at your request? Police do not make criminal law. The federal parliament building is where you need to go. How can a police officer retrieve a stolen camera for you? Because you said so. It's OK for a police officer to yank a camera from someone with no evidence that the person in possession of the item obtained the item illegally. Only your word. It sounds like a civil matter, not a police matter, because if you were the victim of a robbery, wouldn't you have called 911. Yes, it's shitty people get away with theft and assault more than they should remember. The police officer eating a donut didn't commit the crime. The same thing happened to me when I wanted to make a police report. Some asshole cop was pissed I was going to keep him after his shift ended and a good cop pulled me aside and said he became a cop to protect people and if I pointed the person out he would cuff him. But he can't convict the guy and told me the guy would wouldn't be convicted in his opinion.
The Bible is the constitution. If the law is unconstitutional then imo they can pound sand
In larger cities in Canada, they are no longer police services, but Gestapo.
+Nova Krowchuk In Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary and a few other large cities these assholes no longer act in the public interest but are instead sent out to beat, taser and shoot people who don't act in the way that Adolf Harper wants. They truly are Gestapo and are hired if they have lower than average IQ's and have a sadistic nature. All of them walk around with a chip on their shoulders and I'm not referring to their heads.
+Nova Krowchuk I know of a cop in a small Ontario city that can't wait for retirement. He refers to the young cops as pukes and says that they all act like they are hired guns with authority to do whatever they want to anyone that they want. They walk around looking for trouble and use force instead of negotiation. No wonder no one trusts them anymore.Nationally CSIS (FECES) and the RCMP spy on people and interfere on personal computers. They got me banned from commenting on Face Book because of my anti-Harper stance. Did you know that Harper started the Northern Foundation, a white supremacist/Nazi organization? Google it and you will see.
+Nova Krowchuk Yeah, pukes is an older expression, but this cop is in his 50's and he is so glad to be getting out. He thinks that most of the problems with cops today is because the young cops create problems so that they can play robo cop. You have no idea how much trouble I have getting online and then getting anything printed or posted. FECES constantly screws up what I try to post on CZcams. I can't post anything on Facebook anymore because they have gotten Facebook to refuse to let me post anything. First they told me that I can only comment with friends and then they stopped me completely because I posted anti-Harper things and Harper doesn't allow dissent. Very thankfully Harper will be gone in October. He and his criminal friends will be out the door. Canadians are sick of him and his corruption.
I think that he sees that the old way of the police being for everyone is dying and being replaced by the Gestapo tactics of bullying, assaults, and murder. I am a senior and I can see how he feels. I was brought up the era of the police helping citizens not beating and/or shooting them. In the era of the far right that kind of thinking is gone. I never talk to cops unless I have too and they sure don't encourage it.
+Nova Krowchuk Thanks, you too.
If they stop you and try to say a crime was reported in the area and you are in the area, thereby giving them probable cause to approach you, the first thing you ask for is an Occurrence number, this ties their story to fact, not fishing.
I will try to remember that, HRMPD always pulls up to questions me because 'someone is breaking into cars tonight'; like... Every night...
Sri Yantra Nothing, but it stops them from just fishing.
Thanks!
Just did that last week
When in doubt..."I want a lawyer"
@@davemackay9426 when in doubt..be the lawyer lol. Davin has a licence to practice. I have the education necessary to protect myself from unnecessary scrutiny or inconveniences by the 'legal system' *We Should All be Asking WHY we are obligated and expected to know/understand/obey law when only those privileged and wealthy enough [lawyers] are allowed to be educated about the law and licensed to practice* LEARN WHAT AN ARBITRARY APPROACH IS. EDUCATE YOURSELF. USE THAT WORD 'ARBITRARY' WHEN APPROACHED WITHOUT LEGAL GROUNDS BY AN OFFICER. OFFER THEM YOUR LAWYER [DAVIN CHARNEY'S] NUMBER LOL
sorry for yelling that last part
I was arrested and assaulted by 7 police officers for walking up the street, five minutes away from my home because I apparently threw a small tree branch on the road.. I was ticketed for public intoxication which they forced out of me (I had 3 beers but I get it) and they picked me up and threw me around and finally onto the hood and cuffed me and refused to let me get my bag and hat. I had to go to the station the next day with my mom and dad to set up my community service and diversion program and in my file they miss placed someone else's into mine and accused me of stealing a car and driving it into a tree.. my parents lost it and I still wish we sued the cock suckers for it. Long story short I was 17 when this happened and I had to complete 20 hours of community service and had a 6 month probation for something I didn't even do. I was assaulted for basically nothing but the drinking ticket.. way to go Ontario, way to go Halton regional police.
Jheeez man what town where you im I from that area?
Halton region police put us 6 kids in cuffs pulled guns with lasers on us just for trespassing on an empty field (we were smoking weed) circa 2018 (I was 17)
@@JamesSkates05 it was in Burlington
@@goodcitizen3910 yeah I’m not surprised at all, sorry that happened man… I have a few memories of police abusing their power. One ran after my buddy and started choking him out thinking he had weed on him, we were kids at the time even younger than my story above, no older than 15-16. Some cops need a reality check and I’ve seen some get it by the way they act but I will admit I’ve met more well rounded and respectable cops than garbage egotistical lunatic ones.
@@Monstermania101 lucky !! The case would be the opposite for me I’ve met more assholes (peel region)
Ya, right. If you refuse to show ID, the cop just says: "Well, I think you're "so-and-so" and there's a warrant for your arrest, you're under arrest." And off you go until you provide proof of ID. Been there
That's the thing, not much people are told/taught enough of the common law. First, if a cop is asking for your ID, you can refuse, and ask what was the probable cause? if they, as you said, made up a reason and a warrant, know that a warrant is on a paper, and has a signature of a judge on it. if they cannot provide that warrant paper document, then they have no right to arrest you, and that includes patting you down, that also requires a warrant. And in the end if they did indeed arrested you, you can file charges or complaint, and ask for settlement, and worst case scenario if that cop has repeat offenses, they might get fired.
It is a lot of work and tedious, but if EVERYONE know this and apply this, it forces the cops to behave more lawfully and does not abuse their power because of civilians' ignorance to the common law. This is a team effort.
record any encounters with the police
...or write your name on your jacket, lol...
Apparently you did not hear the part about' escalating the situation.
yup, I have 2 dash cams in my vehicle plus I have my cell phone on record when I leave the house .. sad to say I found it necessary .. ( and not just for the Police I do this ..I also do this for the scammers that make false accusations and people trying to cause a collision ) etc
..it's a dirty world out there in Canada now
@@JDS11ify Kind of hard to cooperate and not escalate when all police look at refusing to ID as not cooperating and escalating the situation...happened to me many times where police ask for ID when they know it's not legally required yet instantly turn into dicks if you refuse...
Always record for your protection and always remain silent and refuse to answer questions. Police really only have one job and that is to charge people with whatever infraction they they can, they manage this by asking questions hoping to trip you up to say something they can then charge you with. If you remain silent and they choose to charge you with obstruction for merely remaining silent your lawyer will get it thrown out in court. Don't talk, don't allow them to escalate anything simply remain silent.
Police also do their very best to escalate the situation..
Okay, but they are just people, not God. Would you be humble enough to wear a name tag all the time? I would. That might help keep down all the disagreeable disagreeing, not to mention actual criminal activity. Ya'll might wanna think about not importing dishonest thug mohamadans, who won't learn English, and won't drop their un-userfriendly personal trappings, and traitor sharia system...
Givemeafinname , which becomes , aggression or defensive assertive challenging authority , intimidation, lending to resisting arrest , assault on officer , get you buy baiting , inviting , or invoking slight of offense to trigger action to consequence , from provoked harassment of your rights , being none , problem with authority figures guy. cops school yard grade 3 bully , give me your lunch money , or else , punks in image of somebody , who knows , everything , even better than it knows , because i knows it how , lol. keystone coppers . lol means illegitimate over legitimate. by default of stupid
InnerMittenSignal What an amazing display of a logical leap, sadly it fell as fast as it jumped.
@@InnerMittenSignal I dont have a problem with cops, I have a problem with statist dicks who peaked in high school and have a need to be in a position of power. The whole shariah thing is irrelevant btw, I think I agree with you in that we need to stop importing Islamists (theres a difference between muslims and islamists) but that has nothing to do with this.
THink you mean escalate
Wow this feels like a completely different era from back when actually we had rights and freedoms. We took it for granted for too long folks.
yep. we never really had them to be fair .
@@RJ-se9op I seen her comment and thought it was going to be some new strict law or something... It's been the same laws for 50 years or more.. Hell he referenced one case from '79.. LOL Rose colored glasses are great when you get old
We need more information on our rights here in Canada. We're being trampled on. Since last year I've lost most of my love for this country.
"I am being detained, or am I free to go." This generally forces the issue pretty quick. About 2 years ago, I said this in Victoria. After saying this a few times...I was free to go.
What if the officer actually say "You are being detained"?
@stick It the officer replies you are in fact detained , say what( RAS)
reasonable articulatable suspicion do you have and furthermore what crime do you attach the RAS to. Without these, they are hooped.
They usually say SUSPICION is their RAS.....but see, suspicion is not a crime. Hope this helps
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Could you perhaps go into some detail about the difference between providing your identification and carrying government issued identification? Like when you MUST provide a valid ID versus when you can simply provide adequate information about your person.
Thank you very much for this, there is plenty of info for the U.S. but very little for Canada. I live in an area that is considered "high crime" and have been carded several times for being near drug dealers on the street. I will also look at local ordinance regarding cycling, i dont have a horn so I am glad you mentioned that.
In the video you variously speak of showing ID and identifying oneself.
But identifying yourself and showing ID are two very different acts.
One can be a brief verbal declaration and the other can involve handing over government documents.
I think it would be worthwhile speaking to the distinction and what's required when.
They police are actually asking to see what your status is and that is why they need government issued ID. That shows them your status. If you read what I posted above, I recommend you use a passport.
last night i was hassled by the po po because i exclaimed "that is ridiculous"
i told them i had no obligation to produce id, and he said that he is "assuming that [i'm] an illegal immigrant" (s im australian, and would need to carry a passport on me 24 hours a day
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Very helpful information. Thank you for sharing good sir
This is great. I'm looking forward to more video's to come.
I've twice been pulled over and made it clear I do not consent to search only to have the cop take that as grounds to search.. Pull my whole car apart, find nothing, waste an hour of my time treating me like a criminal only to find nothing.
Can't stand the fucking police.
Dee Jay That's a matter of luck, I've been pulled over for stunting, was high and told the RCMP officers that I had smoked pot previously to driving and was compliant with them. They didn't charge me saying I seemed ok and a stand up guy and let me drive home. I have found more times then not that if you're nice and accepting they'll let you go, but hey it's probably because im white right?
+SilverFlash63 lol Are you serious? And yeah, it was probably because you're white you got away with that. Crazy.
+Dreadlowq this is the first time i responed to dumb respoders..lol this is funny
+Dreadlowq just speak nicely to em be nice to em and be smart ..they will for the most part do the same thing if your not drunk or with ___________________or have++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-------------
+Dee Jay yeah..what at d j
I think I've had one dealing with police and it was when I caught the people who stole my cell phone and told the transit security I wanted to charge them. I was an upset seventeen year old. The two officers I dealt with were very patient with me and even let me borrow their cell phone to call my parents and let them know I was okay (seeing as how the thieves had ditched my phone and someone else walked off with it). Seeing as how my first (and only) experience was good and school has taught me to trust police, if an officer asks for my ID and tells me why he needs it, I would have no issue showing it to him. Police are people too and as long as they treat me like a person, I will return the favor.
in my 73 yrs on this planet, it is my observation that a lot of law enforcement persons have developed a bullying attitude north and south of the 49th parallel . I understand that their attitude toward the public is formed by their experience with the public but police must understand that every interaction is their most important opportunity to make a better impression than the one I carry
@@wild1bill1950 and that's fair. My dad has a lot of stories where the cops beat the crap out of him because he happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and looked intimidating without meaning to. His stories have always made me somewhat nervous around cops despite my good interactions. It helps me to remember that they're people and there will be good and bad people. I also think that my race and gender make it less likely that a cop will beat the stuffing out of me as sad as that is
Thank you for posting this was very helpful!!!
Thank you. Very helpful.
OK, I am fairly confident regarding my rights in Canada but here is a situation which left me a bit confused.
I was walking on the sidewalk in downtown Victoria BC when I approached an intersection and a cop in a car at the intersection demanded ID. I asked why? He "claimed' that I matched the description of a suspect, I vaguely recall then asking if I was under arrest, at which point he and his partner, clearly pissed off, immediately jumped out and I handed my ID over assuming this was just going to escalate into a situation where I get arrested for obstruction, held overnight, then let go without charge. Something cops due and get away with all the time.
Asyou can see this essentially leaves any citizen without these so called "right" as its almost impossible to prove police acted with mailce and would cost a ton for a lawyer to bother pursuing .
So, what I am asking is A) Was I still obligated to show ID despite not being told I was being detained or arrested but rather the subject of a supposed match in visible ID?
B) Had I refused, and the cops simply arrested me for obstruction, got my ID, held me overnight, then released me without charge would I have any legal recourse?
I guess what I am saying is there is "the law" and reality. Reality is if a cop wants your ID, he can get it regardless of your rights because he has, what I have heard reffered to as "tools" or laws like "obstruction", "causing a disturbance" etc that they use to over ride your rights and there is sweet fuck all you can do because most people don't want to go through the humiliation and detention of up to 24 hours just to be let go when they could have just conceded to the State and given their ID.
'Asyou can see this essentially leaves any citizen without these so called "right" as its almost impossible to prove police acted with mailce and would cost a ton for a lawyer to bother pursuing .'
Record their behavior from a device and problem solved
End Wildlife Services'Needless Killing Of Wild Animals I hear what you are saying but ,again, realistically I would have to do so after I realize there is an issue by which time much of what is important has expired and I already have the attention of arrogant and pissed off cops who can easily take my recording device away. If I attempt to keep it then I am inviting the cops to get even more upset and simply arrest me for interferring with an investigation and hold me just to release me the next day without charges.
This may be wrong but realistically what could I do?
Without money for a lawyer, not much other than file some weak complaint that ultimately won't be taken too seriously as I walked out and was not beaten to death by police.
See what I am saying? Cops can do whatever with very little recourse.
Tangy Zangy My point ,in general, was what you are missing. There is a difference between what police mat do under law and what police CAN do because they are cops and get away with it.
Like I said, if a cop asks me for ID and I ask for a reason, they ,under law, have to provide a lawful reason but in reality they don't because what would the repercussion be?
I reuse on grounds they have no reason? They physically take it from me claiming I am interfering with an ivestigation.Again, what can I do about it? Nothing.
Say they really are dicks and hold me over night then let me go without charge. What can I do about it?
Not much. Seeing as I was not shit kicked the level of responce to a formal complaint would be laughable.If I were rich I would sue but even then I would have to prove these cops acted out of malice which is next to impossible.
The bottom line is that there is the law, there is my rights and then there is reality/
schlooonginator Two years back I was riding on the street on a rental bike, two bored cops ( who I believe had already passed me before ) stopped me and asked for ID ( justifying this by claiming I ran through a red light on a quiet street at 1:30 AM) I feel that they were fishing for ticket candidates........or seeing if any unpaid tickets were on my name, ( tickets which in corruption capital Montreal probably half the residents have gotten for whatever 'offense') .......a year later a 'female' cop asked me to come over to her parked vehicle for NO REASON ( some half ass explanation that she was wondering why I reversed my bicycle route) these people are on a power trip, and behave like sharks looking for fish ( and money) .....out of control and it's gotten to the point where if you get robbed it might actually be in your best interest not to bother to report it to these tax farmer fascists.
File harassment claim against the officer(s), civil liberties lawyer
review case merit's for claim.
Thank you for this upload. Just came here from a torrent of American traffic stop vids, and was seeking relevant local context. I appreciate your efforts, it seems aimed at the practice of police carding in Toronto, Hamilton and other cities. Carding has to stop, please keep this up.
i do agree that your site is most useful to Canadian citizens
Good information. Extremely helpful. Great idea folks
Good to know! Thanks!
Get a dashcam in your car, they're very inexpensive and even the $40 one I use has HD picture and sound. When you're pulled over, point it at the window where the cop is. Video doesn't lie, so turn the excuse "if you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to fear" on the aggressors.
Trevor Walker A camera is an unbiased witness. I think the biggest step forward in the protection of individual rights is the widespread availability of inexpensive video equipment.
terrible idea
my best friend who is a retired police officer said cops will ask for ID just for random stops. They will lie to you and say you match a description of somebody they are looking for. My response to the cops when they tell me that is "how are we suppose to trust the police when you lie to our faces". They usually get a puzzled look on their faces and tell me to leave. Keep in mind that not all cops will be that passive, some will take that challenge and take it to the extreme.
it actually happened to me in Alberta ,I was at gas station gassing up my car then the police pulled beside me and asked for my ID.i asked why and then he said somebody looks like me that they are looking for so I showed him my ID and he gave me back that was it .I'm not sure if I should show them or not? just for future advice
@@Honeybatger I think they are looking for someone to say no to show their power.....
Thanks, nice to see a real reply with real information. its more usefull than this video.
Informative and educational... now I know what to do and say when I'm pulled over in Toronto again
If you are pulled over, you have to show your ID. It's in the video.
The motor vehicle code of Ontario requires anyone piloting a motor vehicle to show their drivers license and proof of insurance if pulled over by law enforcement. Period.
Thank for your advice.
thank you for posting this video. we appreciate the information. I believe in our government and the rights of our police to do their work in order to protect us citizens, we just need to make sure that they are not violating the law or using their badge and gun unlawfully.
Joe Black shut the fuck up. Fuck the pigs
loooool said no one
The Police are under no obligation to protect citizens, remember that..!!
Thank you for explaining our rights in "layman" terms. I am still unclear on 2 points though. Legally how far do i have to roll my window down? and Does "showing" my ID mean i have to physically surrender it over?
@@satbobsmith7261 typical Canadian abuse of power...
Don't fuck with the Police, use your brains and play the game, Canada is not the USA. @@satbobsmith7261
And what are you going to do about it....nothing. Be polite and comply with lawful orders. The Cops have authority and escalation dominance, use your head and save yourself a world of hurt.@@carlric
@@jb-xc4oh Sadly.. as long as they vote authoritarian people in power I can do nothing.. I'm planning to leave the country for good.. Canada has great people but we are very bad at choosing leaders..
It could be worse and I'm afraid its not going to get any better. Too many asshole politicians pandering to the woke crowd.@@carlric
Amazing work. Thank u so much
Great video. Thanks for this!
you don't need to see my identification - _waves hand_
Cops can lie to you or in court, but you can't got it !!
+Lord Walker They cant lie in court..They often do but are not legally allowed to.
+MrRuger1977 They do it all the time to back the crown's cases. It's as much a part of their job as breathing is part of their lives.
You must be living in a dream world !!!!!
+Luke O'hearn What fantasy world are you in. The police are completely unaccountable to the people. They lie ALL the time. They can simply lie in their notes. Nothing to stop them and what they write is considered sacred and d-facto truth. In each of the more than twenty cases Dr.Charles Smith's bogus "evidence" convicted completely innocent people was a Police Detective LYING through his or her teeth. They simply manufactured imaginary cases without a shred of actual evidence and because of gullible people like you who worship state authority, got away with it COMPLETELY. Literally hundreds of innocent people had their lives unalterably damaged by a few on a whim. How about Guy Paul Morin? Three trials to convict him and found innocent by science. Ten years in prison, all because he co-operated freely with the Police. A complete disgrace. No one punished in anyway meaningful way. As for "Dr." Smith, he is enjoying a fat pension and nice retirement without a care in the world. Same for his superiors. Never, ever co-operate with Police. There is simply no way for you to win.
What cases are you guys referring to? I'm sure you have some basis for saying something like this, right? (Hint: I'm being sarcastic, you guys are making shit up, cops don't lie in court, grow up... there.)
Thanks for this video.
Thank for the information.
I Love to drive older cars and because of this I get pulled over all the time, mostly on the highways. Their reason is always a lie, like we received a call from someone saying a car matching my description was driving erratically, or speeding way over the limit, or if a police car passes me they will u turn and ask if I had my seat belt on because they couldn't tell. I've driven hundreds of thousands of miles as a professional driver in 45 years and received 1 citation for running a yellow when I was 17. I have never ever been pulled over in a new car or work truck.
Always record the police! They are legally allowed to lie to you and will. Remain silent, your words WILL be used against you.
We need this info now more than ever
Thank you it was well explained and helpfull. I'm subscribing
In the situation you mentioned where the cop wants to write a ticket to a bicyclist,
the offense is under the Motor Vehicle Act (provincial), and the cyclist doesn't identify himself....(note: bicyclists are not required to be licensed).
the cop charged the cyclist with "obstruction of a peace officer" which is a Criminal Code offense (Not an offense listed in the MVA), even though the Criminal Code (federal) was not being enforced at the time.
The Motor Vehicle Act (a provincial statute) has its own definition of a Peace Officer which is different from the Criminal Code and under the MVA there is no offense of Obstructing a Peace Officer under that Act's definition.
Can you please give your opinion about the cop filing a federal charge under the Criminal Code when he is actually enforcing a provincial statute, the MVA?
It sounds like the cop is confused.
Basically all I gathered from this video is you dont have to show your ID to the police unless its under a set of circumstances, those circumstances being pretty much anything and everything that a typical citizen might be doing where a cop may want to see your ID, which ultimately means that anytime your asked by a police to see your ID, you have to show it.
shoot first, they have to keep their gun holstered and hands off it. if you kill a cop in Canada just toss the body under a bridge and claim you have ptsd and you will be rewarded.
That about sums it up...!! Canada is not the USA, their Constitution has real meaning and real teeth.
@@jb-xc4oh The law in Canada and USA is no different in this regard.
Thank you a lot!
i suggest you read the canada constition act 1982... read sections 52 and 32 and re think that some.
Thank you for sharing this advice. In my city, where I have been a law-abiding, taxpayer for 38 years, I will state my point this way: things have changed with the police in my city. They carry themselves around as if they are THE LAW, not simply enforcing it. They are very aggressive. The city I am referring to is: London, Canada.
I was there last summer. They were walking around in groups of 3-4 after the bars let out. They waited around outside of a combination mac's milk/ subway, for late night pedestrians. My brother and I were sitting outside of the store waiting for one of our relatives to come out when the cops approached and stood there. After about 5 minutes they asked us who we were and what we were doing there. After we refused them our ID and told them we were waiting for our relative who was in the long line for subway, they told us they didn't care and to move along and go home. Even after we told them we were visiting and were staying at the hotel across the street. We of course refused to leave and again told them we weren't part of the bar crowd. They then asked for our names and information. Yet again, we respectfully declined. All the while this was happening with all three officers, a fight was ramping up literally 20ft away. They only stopped harassing us when the fight broke out. Funny thing was, that in the morning around 11am, when a homeless man was panhandling outside of the hotel, harassing passer byes, and cursing at everyone who told him they had no change, there wasn't an officer or cruiser to be found. This isn't the only time police have done this to my brothers and I. And it's certainly not the worst story I have. But it's my one London story. :P
I'm sure it could have gone much worse, as they were becoming obviously aggravated and expressing their power through body language. Eg: Holding their hand on their gun grip and or taser. Moving into close proximity of my brother and I to make an arrest easier.
I appreciate your replies, and I am grateful no physical harm came to you. Thanks for visiting our city. I hope your experience is better the next time you visit. Peace.
We have Robocops here in Halifax too, very crazy people with guns.
Yep. cape breton too
@@artmadaofficialyoutube yup that stuff happens everywhere not just London
how about an update?
Thank you . Good to know .
Good job you guys keep this up.
What happened to these rights during the G20 summit??
as far as im aware in canada, if you stay polite AND assert your rights, the police will escalate the situation no matter what, they'll lie to ur face, yell, get physical, all in all, just a really bad experience to deal with them. they know nothing of the law, all they know is what they learned at the academy and most of that is learning how to step on your rights and crush em.
thank you.
This is fabulous!
I have exercised my rights on several occasions. It is quite the sight to see a cop stop talking and letting you go and leaving you alone. If you have done nothing then leave. You do not even have to utter a word to a cop. just shake your head no. I love using my Canadian given rights. :)
It must be good to be you i would love to learn my right but they don't seem to make it easy or i didn't look hard enough it just not something you learn in school apparently.
@Max Webster you are a special kind of stupid! Be a good little sheep and flockoff!
@Max Webster so someone uses their lawful rights and that makes them an incel.. your a goof..
@@jimmyrochette7536 they Do teach this in school.
Must be nice to have that kind of Privilege. Who would of thought that driving was a right and Not A Privilege?
where would the best place to get a book of some sort to learn the common law and learn my rights as a canadian
Yeah. I'd love to know this too. I can read a lot of info very quickly. I was victim of bully RCMP a few years ago. They lied and forged reports. I still have copies. Fucking pricks. Their documents are EVIDENCE to a judge and my testimony is HERESY so they can LIE BULLSHIT and MAKE UP STUFF in their reports and JUDGES EAT IT UP. I HAVE PROOF because I was there. I have their police notes and their reports. They DONT match up!
So I want to know WHERE I can learn my rights. All of my rights. As a CANADIAN
sorry to hear about that I can't stand the police now a days knowing what they can get away with and still be working as a cop its a joke, if you did out where to go or how to get a book or how to learn our rights please let me know!
Are you in Canada?
Tyler Rodgers
yeah I go between alberta and bc a lot cause of work what province are you in
+caperUnderscore26
Wonderful video, thank you. At about 5:40 in the video you state ".. police want to give you a ticket for that you should show identification". Are you really under an obligation to provide them identification, which may have additional information, or only to provide them with your name?
Thanks for the video
So in other words there is really no way to deny a cop of seeing your id. Say you are video recording and a cop demands you to leave and you say I am only watching and making sure all is done correctly by criminals and the police then immediately insist to see my ID. I refuse and that proceeds them to suggest that I am obstructing police. I am Hooped and that is the tactic police use in each and every You Tube video that is in question. I can however decide to plead the 5th whereas they can detain me even longer. No mention or examples of a victim receiving compensation when improper police procedures and or dirty police tactics have been obvious.
What we need to hear from the Lawyers, Police Commissioner. The Mayor, The Prime Minister, is that when and if a officer is seen or the evidence would suggest that he used a lame excuse to see your ID by means of dirty tactics, That the officer will be punished and the victim will be handsomely compensated for the whole experience. I'm sick of seeing people stand up for their rights and get the brown end of the stick. The police are rarely corrected and the victims are examples that suggest we must comply or suffer the consequences. It's all backwards. We are not living up to our potential.
+xXTheFreakWithinXx sorry, can't plead the 5th in Canada... that's American Constitution... ie 5th amendment... same as miranda rights... don't apply in Canada...
Shaoyu Maiwang
ok, I'll take your word for it... just never heard any of my friends able to use either... that doesn't mean it isn't there...
smh
Just wear a name tag. What do you have to hide from your fellow humans?...
InnerMittenSignal lol
my Identification was taken out of my room April/ 2016 , I ask and continue to get the run around, never was convicted of a crime by 14th division ,officer A.K is not approachable, my question is will m y I D end up back on the street to another person or be destroyed , I have a photo of my birth certificate with serial number which will help me
thank you sir
Thank you so much. We must be careful more now than ever!!
+Ross Kenneger Sikh religion which try to say that they are champions of women right actually Sikh history tell some thing else.sikh have ten gurus all male no woman was made guru as woman are not consider wise enough to lead men.sikh religion has rehat maryada which is code of conduct for Sikhs and second point in this code is mention that no Sikh man should marry their daughters to non Sikh no such restriction is given for Sikh men as they can marry any one of their choice.like other relgion sih girl have to leave their father house to go to husband hoto change their family name after marriage.sikh holy book have saying of person kabir das who has said women is like snake and door of hell
Only Jesus shows the way, but people can be won over! (:D That is the example He set for us. I think men have God-given leadership qualities, it doesn't have to be a burden. But spirits of anger turn humans against each other, and only Jesus has power to deliver us from them...
In this age of covid roadblocks on roads now, I'd really like to know more about canadian law about when you're questioned about where you're going, where you're coming from, and really, the same goes for DUI stops and such.. From what I understand that's not things they need to know, but would like to hear it from someone who's got real legal experience in canadian law
covid roadblocks? what? 🤣
Where do u live cause I don't have any of that like at all
@@Joefresh111 BC... I haven't heard of any recently, but 5 months ago they were putting some up
@@Joefresh111 you've never been to a reservation have you?
@@Y0uKnowMyName I have before..
" i personally dont care what you have to say, but will die for your right to say it"
I respect you for this.
Lol. A racist dog whistle.
Fundamental Freedoms
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom
of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association
update in 2020. Under our illustrious leader JT these things have been stripped away. Bubble zone, Attestation mandate, new rule re who can be a member of the liberal party etc etc etc and more to come. Communism is alive and well in Canada.
Is the C4PA still active, their website no exists.
I had a RCMP Officer lie to me out right in 1973 .. My knees buckled at the time ... I never trusted the Police after that .. our Justice system in Canada is corrupt , our Trudeau Liberal Gov't is corrupt ..our Provincial Gov't is corrupt ... Canada is fast becoming a corrupt Police Fascist State , sad to say
..Thank Gawd I'm retired.
Why do they have a right to lie, to us
For example if im with a group of friends at a park. at we're just hanging out. Can the officer say that they suspect us doing something illegal and thus get our identification?
Or would that be obstruct police if we decline?
Is this still up to date?
This video is 5 years old. Is this still valid in 2017?
youtube video are only for information this doesn't protect you for changing law so try to find better source.It more informative than useful... so it just a pointless video to be honest.
no current year you have to kill the cops.
voidremoved you fluid be reported for your disgusting comment.
@@MultiFreddy34 ACAB. Wake the fuck up
Not unless they are charging you with an offense (ie seat belt violation, consuming alchohol etc). Had a lovely debate with an officer about that, which ended with a call to a lawyer friend of mine who spoke to the officer for me. Cop was very aggressive, until he realized I was writing down his description and badge number while he was on the phone.
good to know!!!!
Do you have to show ID to customs officers while waiting at the departure gate of an airport?
thank you for your help,but what do you do if they lie about the encounter,body camera`s are a must for all police,especially durham region ,where they are becoming notorious gangsters and bullies,always away from public view...
I keep missing parts of this vid. I find myself falling asleep and having to re-watch parts. Remember that this guy is only a lawyer for Corporate contract law. He will only tell you what he was trained to say. Like a dog on a leash. It can be helpful if you see the vague way he delivers it! Never Ever hire these gentlemen. I am being too kind calling them gentlemen.
@emmy lite he explained everything fine, you do not have to i.d. yourself if walking down the street, driving, border etc is a different animal.
@emmy lite digest the information any way you like, fact is walking down the street is not a restricted activity, they can ask all they want, you need not comply.
@emmy lite there is no kinda maybe about it, legally you can refuse to submit i.d. if you are simply on a stroll in public or a passenger in a car, we all understand there is a potential escalation factor involved for doing so, so be it then.
@emmy lite come on emmy, you think i fail to realise corruption is rampant?
I was stopped by a police officer walking home from the bar late at night. It was cold and windy, so I had my hoodie up, my hands in my pockets, and my head down. He stopped me, asked me where I was going, where I was coming from nd tried to trip me up a bit, but never asked for ID. I understand where the cop was coming from: I was a large male, walking down a dark quiet residential street appearing to hide my identity...
Guess what I'm saying is: sometimes you have to do a self-check and think about what you're doing and ask yourself "did I do something to make this officer believe I'm a threat to the public?"
iamcondescending If walking down the street (regardless of physical size) is suspicious activity, then what's next? If a crime is not being comitted, the the police have no business in detaining/questioning a person walking down the street, regardless of how they are dressed. Would a man dressed in an Armani suit and $800 dollar shoes be viewed with the same suspicion? Walking anywhere at any time is not a crime. Unless the Criminal Code has been modified recently?
Im tottaly sorry for being rude. You have been trying to help me and Ive been a jerk! No excusess.....thanks for your help and interest ......big time!!!
could be chaged...? you can always be charged... any one can be charged at anytime. the thing is 1 the charges being legit & 2. the charge "sticking" as in leading to a punitive response..."never lie to the police" but they can lie to you all they want... either way..... DON;T TALK TO COPS. if a cops starts on you do what you have to under law..and shut our fucking pie whole. no sound no movement, stand at attention r ease and do not respond unless it is to ask for discmissal or something. although i personally explain to them the meaning of detainment first and.
Well said, i cant stress it enough not to tlk, , they are not your friends and for every 5 min conversation you have with them it will cost 350.00 an hr from a lawyer to fill in a hole you dig. Dont get me going on that one, 10 grand later and almost 2 years in the courts, im still fighting the cops on a few bogus driving charges.
Nicholas Vaters True. Remember, "anything you say can and may be used against you". That means everything. I have a response for lying! "Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies"!
In Halifax the cops will escalate if they want to, it's pretty shitty...
If you bring up your rights, they will double escalate the situation.
Most Cops will! The power gets to them over time.
I use to pick up a coffee at 2AM before walking to work Been stopped on the Sidewalk atleast 4 to 5 times And always the same Questions What are you doing here? Where you coming from Where you Going to............The reason I stopped you is because we have many break in's in the area And you sort of fit the build.....The reason why i stopped you is this is a high drug selling area (Never asked to search me ) The funny thing is They will ask me where are you coming from While i'm holding a coffee
every single one of them Never said Hello Or good morning Or talked to me like a human ..So I give what i get ....Officer under the charter of rights i am legally walking on a sidewalk free of weapons And drugs Or in the middle of a crime As of right now respectfully I decline to answer questions Or produce my ID even if you wish to understand my whereabouts You can ask Tim Hortons for the time stamped proof i was there 12 mins ago Or Any of the stores that have cameras along my route Like the one in that window beside your car...may i go?
Fantastic merci.
Human beings don’t have to have ID but human products of World Corp do. We no longer have lawful government but a Corporation (World Corp) disguised as lawful government. People have been transformed from human beings into human products that are the property of World Corp for the purpose of generating profit for said Corporation. All human products have product ID numbers created and assigned by World Corp that remain the property of World Corp. A human product cannot communicate with World Corp without presenting their product ID number. And then World Corp will only communicate to you through corporate policy. Lines of communication outside of corporate policy are not heard because World Corp can’t hear human beings only their human products. Politicians, ministers. police and staff are all employees of World Corp with the duty to write corporate rules (acts statutes) and administer and enforce them for the purpose of maximizing revenues and profit from the human products of World Corp. Employees of a corporation always rule over the products they manage. This is why police and acting government officials (corporate employees) no longer serve but only enforce.
could to refer us to a documentary or more info on this? i've never heard it in this way, but have always suspected some ideas of ownership existed. after all they consider us the "consumers"
I’m sorry but I know of no documentary that has presented it quite this way and your suspicions about ownership are quite valid.
live free or die my friend!
if they want info from you, they'll extract it one way or another. unfortunately, our laws are written in such way to make the cop above any situation. and if they want to died their muscles, you will end up in a worked of pain. that's our reality
+marpa hey I can make the second half of my comment make no sense the same way you did.......: well unfortunately, reality and or another doesnt. The situation our want and from the. The Cop their they if and from information search.
+jordanjcm jordan hahaha I just read it... been having trouble with my auto correct lately. thanks for the heads up though, entertaining!
+Sovereign Protagonist lol
Thank you ALL for this and the comments here! Let FREEDOM ring!
You mentioned not showing ID under the requirement of provincial law, but what of municipal bylaws?
Is one obligated to give any information at all (even a name) should they be caught breaking a bylaw?
But the police can lie to you!
Police, mothers, friends, doctors... yep, all capable of lying.
That's why it's a good idea to know your rights, study up.
You have the right to remain silent, give ID, and seek council. If you feel intimidated, under duress, scared, threatened in any way or just a gut feeling.
You have options.
If you are pulled over by an unmarked car, you can stay locked in the car and call 911 to ask if the stop is legitimate. You can ask the police for their ID, you can ask why you are being questioned, they must provide an answer.
Best to remain calm, ask for his badge no. and card, usually they have a business card now. Get their details, give them yours. Talk facts, not emotions (hard one sometimes) But if you're not sure about the officer, ask for another one to be present or call a station to make a request.
I agree, carry a note pad to write things down, wear a name tag yourself, and most important, put all other humans in your secret mental sit-com, so you can laugh and not cry at what we all are capable of getting up to...
I am 19 years old living in Southren Ontario. On multiple occasions, I have been pulled over by police while driving, not committing any crimes. What rights do I have when it comes to interacting with the police in that situation? They ask me for all of my papers, run my plates, then let me go. I think it is absolutely ridiculous that they do it. Unfortunately, I know more about United States laws than Ontario. Anyone have any suggestions or tips?
Blue lights create joinder, if there was no emergency and they declared emergency, then under colour of office ( fraud, and as an officer an felony under perjury ). They're guilty of an offence of fraud.
If they try to give you a ticket, thats a bill of exchange, and he who draws a bill of exchange is liable for it, to pay the sum described therein.
***** Incorrect. When you drive in Canada, you must by law show identification. You can file everything after, and a dash cam IS a great idea. However, do not fall into the thought of not having to give ID in a car, you will be arrested for Obstructing a Police officer.
To Harley: In Canada, the Police do have the right to you pull you over and accost you, for a variety of reasons. Primarily public safety concerns, validate registration and drivers license, suspicion of vehicle or person related to a crime, etc. However, if this is a regular occurrence by the same police, you can file a harassment case.
Mark Dubeau.
You're delusional.
I don't understand how - That's the law written down.
So does detention carry the same weight in law as an arrest? If not what's the practical difference?
So how does 39(1) of the code work and when do you declare this right? Plus there’s some thing like section 22 or 23 about the police having to show you their id and if they don’t.can be fined around $20k or a year or two in jail
Thank you so much for this! Keep uploading videos that will protect us from the police!
you cannot do this at a DUI checkpoint,,, if you refuse , you'll end up with your ass kicked and in jail.
That would fall under a regulated activity, as mentioned in the video.
the police do what they want,, when they want,, their is nothing you can do,
try videotaping them,,, see how fast they come to get ya
granny haines I was agreeing with you. You cannot do this at a DUI checkpoint because driving is a regulated activity; as mentioned in this video.
Thanks for the information. I wondered if I were trespassed from a business if I was required to show ID to the police in Alberta. Seems the answer is yes. This is definitely different from some American states. Although we share similar values and laws with Americans there are important differences.
can anyone tell me what the failure to identify law is in Canada, and if so what is the statute, like for example in texas, usa the statute is 38.02
Wake up people new world order is in here. Every human have to stand up for your rights and all Canadian should get together and help each other to fight back new world order.
In older R.C.M.P training manuals it says "watch out when stopping outlaw motorcyclists because they often have recording devices" now if that's not training a liar then what is...?
Any chance of a video for when you get pulled over? What questions can they ask, or what can the cops legally do?
is traveling as a passenger a regulated activity in any jurisdiction?