Tonya Harding - 1994 U.S. Figure Skating Championships, Ladies' Free Skate
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- Detroit, Michigan, USA - 1994 United States Figure Skating Championships, Ladies' Free Skate - Tonya Harding won the Free Skate to win the National Title. However, as the year progressed and investigations proved that Tonya had knowledge of the planned attack on Nancy Kerrigan and failed to report it to the authorities. Because of her involvement, the USFSA voted to strip her of the title and opted not to award it to Michelle Kwan, who placed 2nd here.
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a lifetime ban was way excessive.
+Jay Carneys Castration ............She's lucky she didn't get jail time!
Your crazy. She's lucky she didn't go to jail. That woman is nuts. A great skater but nuts.
+Martez Jones Shes not nuts, her ex husband is, he served jail time, master minded the whole scandal. later changed his name and was arrested 2 other times for domestic violence
+Chris Coyne Bull crap. Tonya Harding knew damn well what was going on, that is why they found her guilty and banned her for life. Tonya Harding knew what her boyfriend was doing which is why she was banned, she deserved it. She knew what was up.
Martez Jones it was her husband, bonehead. And your spelling is atrocious.
I got to see her at an exhibition in 1992 after the Olympics. The height she gets and the amount of ice her jumps covered was extraordinary. She just hangs in the air. I am Jewish but when I saw her perform I said a Hail Mary and prayed to Allah at the same time. Her spins are amazing fast, centered,
Ive always said to to my skater friends how fast and centered her spins her and how she murders the ice
She was hands down the most powerful female skater I ever saw.
😂I’m Jewish,too. This comment is killing me.
I’m an atheist and I think it’s a weird comment.
I think she was troubled, and got into some things she likely regrets, but nobody can deny her talent. I wanted to be her more than anyone in skating at that time. Such athleticism!
It would appear now that she knew that they were up to something but didn't know exactly what and couldn't have done anything about it. And that's why I think she was able to skate as well as she did here. If she had known, I think her unconscious would have caused her to make errors. Then she was basically subjected to guilt by association.
I really appreciate that these commentators are not being so rude and inconsiderate as some others. For example, Scott Hamilton would never hold back and comment on her weight, life, etc. It's nice that they are seeing her as she is - a brilliant athlete.
I love that she used Jurassic Park for her music. Beautiful.
if this looks amazing in a phone screen, I can't imagine watching her in real life back in time...
The look of satisfaction on Tonya's face at the end, priceless! Such an amazing talent! 🤌🥰💖
Anyone else think that Tonya was really coming into her prime during 1994? It’s so sad what happened to her. I feel like she was finally coming into her own as far as adulthood and had built the courage to stand up to Jeff and remove him completely from her life. You can also see how muscular she is and how defined her triples were becoming. And just as she is truly getting her life together and getting rid of the wrong people, she gets dragged into a horrible event with horrible people that I believe she had no knowledge of. It’s disappointing, because even though her triple axels took her to the top initially, I feel like we’d have seen a fully mature, well-rounded skating champion if she’d been allowed to continue competing throughout the rest of the 90’s. It’s evident that she no longer relied just on her triple axel anymore but that she was maturing in all jumps and artistry. If you ask me...Tonya Harding got her best years of figure skating taken away from her because the best was yet to come. Picture a calm, happy Tonya with only good people around her at the 1998 olympics. Or even the 1994 Olympics if all this tragedy hadn’t stripped her confidence from her. Hard work wasted in reaching full physical and mental maturity. Anyone agree?
She was beginning to be a veteran even Kwan looked up to her. Her hero. She ushered the young during the medal ceremony .
Yes!!! With all of this!
She was 24, WAY too old to compete with the next gen. Plus she had already been outclassed by Thomas, Yamaguchi and Baiul by this point. She got outclassed yet again at the games, this time to Surya Bonaly.
No. 1991 was clearly the zenith of her career with the national title, world silver medal and win at Skate America. After that 1992 was bad, 1993 was even worse, then she had this competent performance which looks even more suspicious in hindsight.
@@timothyhh I havent figured out why she wasnt doing two lutzs at this point. She was landing them cleaning again, and here and the Olympics it was just as huge as she was doing 3 years earlier.
She had a decent performance at 93 skate America before this so she was capable.
One of the most powerful and athletic performances of all time male or female in any sport in my opinion. She could probably slam dunk a basketball.
She would actually probably have difficulty slam dunking a basketball as she was only a tiny five feet tall. But I agree that she was a tremendously powerful athlete and one who didn't deserve the hate she got.
My heart breaks every time i think what could have been for her. So sad. It’s a lot to forgive but it’s more for her to ask for it. I’m sure she’s gone over it in her head and heart. She knew who she was and where she was headed but her support team let her down.
What should Tonya ask to be forgiven for? She didn't hit Kerrigan, her husband's idiot friend did. The only thing she needs to ask forgiveness for is for stupidly trying to cover for her husband when she found out what he'd done, which she acknowledges was a dumb move, and has apologised for. But considering her husband's record of violence, I can honestly understand why she did. The people who really ought to be asking for forgiveness is the skating world. They all KNEW her husband was beating seven bells out of her, and nobody did a damned thing. Not. One. Person. How do they sleep at night, I wonder?
@@chooseyourpoison5105 let’s also not forget Nancy forgave everyone except Tonya in that situation
This on Olympia 1994 would already make me happy!
Happy birthday, Tonya! 💕👑✨
All this new found sympathy for Harding, probably stems from the movie, I,Tonya, which depicted Tonya as a victim who did not know the extent of her husband’s plans for Kerrigan. The movie left out the most damning evidence which spoke to Tonya’s guilt. But, I suspect this is due to the fact that the ‘truth’ wouldn’t sell as much as fiction, as the Hollywood formula for making a successful movie requires a lead character the viewers are sympathetic towards.
Anybody who thinks Tonya didn’t know her husband’s true plans for Kerrigan, go watch a documentary, read a book, or just research it online.
What convinced me was the FBI stating that they believed she knew of the attack (prior), they had evidence, but w/out a confession, that evidence wouldn’t be enough for a conviction. I still remember seeing a pic of that wadded up piece of paper (that was thrown away but later retrieved from the trash and given to FBI’, it was in Tonya’s handwriting, had Kerrigan's training schedule and times (while she was training in MA), and there were these ‘doodle’ drawings of a ice skate (done in feminine writing style). All that feminine, flowery, and loopy handwriting and doodling did not look like anything a man (namely Harding’s husband or hired goons would do).
Then, there was the employee at the Tony Kent Arena (Kerrigan’s home rink), who told the FBI that a woman had been calling (more than once) to ask for Kerrigan’s scheduled training times, the FBI believed the female caller to have been Harding, but w/out a confession, it couldn’t be proven. The FBI had the confession from Shawn Eckwart, that the attack on Kerrigan was to be done at Kerrigan’s rink in MA.
Overall, if the FBI’s gut feeling is that Tonya knew about the attack, and the people guilty of the attack made it clear that she knew, then she probably had a hand in it all. Tonya had motive, she being in the business of amateur skating was the one who put the theory in Gilooly’s head that Kerrigan was her main problem (due to judges favoritism). And if Kerrigan didn’t compete, that meant the potential for lucrative endorsements for Tonya. That was the flawed and untrue mindset that launched the whole thing from the beginning. Harding and company didn’t factor in Tonya’s international competition, like Oksana Baiul.
Moreover, if you’re Tonya Harding, and your misguided scheme to keep Kerrigan out of the 1994 National Championships and Olympics does not go as planned, would there be anything to gain (ice skating career wise) by confessing to have been knowledgeable of the attack before it happened? The answer is, no, because had she admitted her involvement from the start, she would have been branded as the worst competitive athlete in history. Even her fans would have turned their backs on Tonya, it would have been a far worse disaster for her to tell the truth.
You are CORRECT!
I missed her more fun and upbeat performances. If only she didn’t have to conform to what is expected from a figure skater representing the country. She wasn’t only known for doing the triple axel, she was know for her technical skill and her creative choreography and music.
The real problem with the controversy was that it was such a load of trailer trash stuff. It offended the sensibilities of just about everyone in the sport. Then when her prior knowledge of it came out, she was done. She already had proceedings before the IOC going at the time of the 1994 Olympics, and I think that the word was already out. They just weren't going to risk sending her home with a medal knowing that they were so likely to have to strip her of it in a couple of months. She had simply stopped being worth the headache. A tragedy because she truly was a champion.
She did amazing !!! Love her best skater ever...I mean that 🎉❤
That movie I, Tonya sure did wonders for her PR. Tanya was a great skater, but she is no victim, or hero. And Nancy was no villain. Nancy did nothing wrong. Yall bought the story Hollywood sold you.
I'm going out on a limb and guessing you got your information from media as well. Whether it be Hollywood, news reports, CZcams videos, google...unless anyone was actually there with Tonya during all of this, we/they/you/me/everyone can only form opinions. No matter what side you express support for, it's completely hearsay. Even if we had access to court documents, it's mostly he said/she said. Jeff says she was involved. She says she knew about it afterwards. That's all we have to go on. So don't poke fingers - you bought the stories you watched/read as well as the rest of us.
Tonya's triple lutz was gorgeous. Always was. Deep outside edge. Hope she checks out these comments once in awhile. I'd easily pay $100 to watch her skate or even more to be coached by her.
God. All the joy was GONE from her skating by this point. Such a loss from 1991 when every part of her was joyful.
Yes even this "good" performance is really flat and the program is really empty. It was even worse by the Olympics.
So heartbreaking to see someone with so much talent be banned from doing what she was born to do. Its like seeing a racing horse who is forced to be put down without a broken leg.
What saddens me is that skating was literally the only thing she knew how to do. She'd dropped out of high school to focus on skating, and she'd never had a full time job due to training, so she had no other skills. She wasn't even allowed to teach or coach, or even to sharpen skates at a rink. And stripping her of the medals she'd won BEFORE the attack was just plain spiteful, she won those fair and square. What they did to Tonya had nothing to do with justice, it was petty revenge.
She bashed another skater in the knee. Potentially harming her for life... It was a good decision to ban her for life.
@@yellowdayz1800 Considering how famous the event is, you would think you would actually know what happened.
What Tonya knew or didn't know will never be proven, but she is not the one who attacked Nancy.
@@Wafflinson bull... The FBI found proof in the garbage.. Something like that. In cases like this that went haywire.. The system can often get like overloaded and mistakes made and all kinds of things to deal with.. But in the end. She got banned for life. But the FBI did find proof Tanya knew previous to the attack
@@Wafflinson the fbi proved a handwritten letter was tonyas by a handwriting expert.. And in it gave directions on how to get to Nancy for the attacker.. They didn't know the cops look through the garbage.. And the fbi found it in the dump. That is what I was told.. They had just dump trash in a dumpster.. The FBI was watching.. It is on Google.
The case was so popular... I think the issue just hot lost sight of. It can happen. Not in our day and age.
I wish the skirt was a few inches longer.. Would have been nicer.
That’s how all figure skating dresses are. All of them. Anything longer and you would probably be disqualified
@@mybirdsmells that is not the point.
I understand a lot of people wish for more modest or flowy, elegant dresses. Sadly they keep their dresses short because they need to wrap in the tight rotation lol
@@flightoflightning2505 that's f bull. Excuses is all it is.
@@yellowdayz1800 No seriously. You don’t see that many female skaters in flowy skirts anymore compared to back then. At the 1994 Olympics, the girl’s skirts went as high as the rules allowed. Katarina Witt’s outfit in 1988 went up to her buttock and she nearly got disqualified for it. It’s weird to me. But my hardest jump is a triple toe loop so I can’t tell them what and what not to do.
Thank God for I, Tonya!
Redemption never felt so good.
Unbelievable LEGS!
Tonya Harding had the triple Axel in her arsenal, but she was never consistent enough to win more championships. Kristi Yamaguchi’s jumps were smaller and less spectacular, but she was a more consistent skater than Tonya. That’s why Kristi was the National, World and Olympic champion.
And one more thing...Kristi was sooooooo boring to watch. Give me Denise Bielman any day over her.
Her arms were so graceful. She also had grace and some musicality plus the power and athleticism. She was also very cute. She was an adventurous skater fun to watch. Just didn't have the proper foundation and support. There was trauma and abuse in her early childhood. She rose above so much and yet what happened? We will never know for sure. Husband was a creep. He brought out the worst in her. Nancy was good too, yet not as exciting to watch for me. Tonya was a real risk taker.
I love Tonya! What a talent and beauty!
La première patineuse a faire le triple axel !!!la mal aimé de son pays qu'il a poussé à faire l'agression à Nancy !!! Je l'aime Tonya 🥰🥰
She’s my hero ❤️
Justice for Tonya
Why didn't Tonya just try to win it on her own merit? She was sure to make the Olympic team, even if she didn't win Nationals.
She is 100% determination.
I can't believe Tonya has become an antihero in current year. She literally PUT OUT A HIT ON AN OPPONENT. She milked the drama as far as she could after that. The USOC should be ashamed of themselves for letting her go to Norway anyway.
I believe Tonya's lawyers were going to sue US Figuring skating if they prevented her from competing in the Olympics since it was pre-trial. So there's that.
@@Person-mh6xq that doesn't explain why Jeff Gilooly was allowed to go with her after being arrested, arraigned, and released on bail. (And losing his passport as a condition of his bail.)
Also bullshit. She isn’t the one who put out any “hit” No one liked that stuck up Nancy then or now (except maybe you🙄) and everyone was pulling for her. It was “Team Tonya” right from the start. When Nancy lost to Oksana, the entire world cheered because she got stuffed. The ungrateful thing standing up at the podium with her sour grapes sucking lemon face was priceless to watch. If anyone should be ashamed of themselves it’s you for ripping off a bad line from a B- movie for your name. Hilarious!!
she should have done the TA and would have landed it easy
Love you tonia
What a fabulous skater she was. A life tine ban was very harsh, she didn't deserve that. I don't believe age had anything to do with what happened to Nancy K - Tonya could skate rings around her she didn't need to do that attack. They judged her on her background-very sad indeed.
Kerrigan had NOTHING on Tonya. Fabulous fabulous fabulous!!! 😘
A fantastic skater. Loved watching her as a kid. Sad she was banned for life. So excessive.
This top view of her spin is really quite lovely - 02:15. I think she was a better skater then she was given credit for in terms of her artistry.
She was better off going for the 3A and falling than doing a single.
I’ll admit I wasn’t her biggest fan, nor am I, but after learning more about her I feel bad for her. She was an extremely talented and powerful skater who got a raw deal in life from the people closest to her.
She was over rewarded for technical merit AND composition & style.
Agreed. The triple axel was never gonna happen at this point, the double axel-triple toe loop was only slightly less unlikely and other than that she really wasn't doing anything techniczlly that about 15 other ladies at the Olympics would be doing. Add to that it looks like she just gave up on choreography by this point. It's just skating into jumps loosely connected by some competent spins and smoke breaks.
Tonya Harding is more popular than Nancy Kerrigan & more talented. . She was innocent and an injustice for her to be banned from figure skating.
Of course she's a Scorpio.....
just lost her focus, got on the wrong track, so disappoonting
Grandissima atleta👏⛸👑🔝
Hanno voluto eliminarla a tutti i costi.
She is so scorpio
Бомба
I feel bad for Tonya Harding she had a hard life and she paid her dues and she will always be the first American skater to land a triple axle you can't take that away from her. I Tonya brought me here. Margot Robbie did an excellent job playing her.
You know that annoying person who talks behind you in the movies etc? #commentatorsduringperformances 🤦♀️
Just imagine if the Russians trained Tonya. Lol
Then it would be a landfill of drama.
I always liked Tonya Harding when she skated, she had an athletic build and could jump. I always thought Nancy K seemed too tall for skating?
Not at all! Nancy had a beautiful body and was hardly too tall.
She was so heavy on the ice-she couldn't even do the pretty ice dancing footwork.
she was awesome….and her bum wasn’t so bad either 😍
I feel very bad for Tonya. No matter how well she did " the establishment" did not like her. If she would have gotten their support she could have been more successful. They did not like her because she did not kiss their buts.
Even back in 1994, I felt bad for Tonya when the media came down on her after the Nancy Kerrigan incident. Now, as I look back on old clips of performances and interviews, I still see that she lacked support, both within the skating world and in her personal life. If I could change two things about her career, it would be for her to earn a medal at the 1992 Olympics and then to have not received a lifetime ban. Still, I think it gets overlooked that despite the forces going against her, she accomplished way more than most skaters-even extremely talented and well-supported skaters-ever will. She went to two Olympics! I think she was incredibly successful and deservedly so. But I do still wish things had gone differently for her...both personally and professionally.
Anyone else think it’s kind of sad that at 13 Michelle was already doing competitions? I know that’s the way sports are but it just seems like a loss of childhood :/ That aside Tonya is a beautiful skater
Loss of childhood?! Ridiculous comment. If your child has great talent and a passion for something, you are going to deny them? That’s nuts. You’re reciting a line from an outdated playbook. Please don’t have children; you will prevent them from living their best lives so they can stay home and color inside the lines. I am so disturbed by your comment.
This long program just ain't cutting it. She chickened out of three triple jumps and backed out of two other jump combinations.
I can see why she had to resort to whacking Nancy.
Do you even understand what was happening to her during this time period 💀
Ordinary and needs much work on her artistry - Again she proves she is not consistent.
Sorry, I like more the asian skaters. ⛸️⛸️ Miss Kwan.
Her skating is great, but I really HATE that ugly costume. Worst one she ever wore in my opinion 😣
Big muscle butt!
So sad. She was soooooo talented.
she truly was, not in the world maybe the best but in US for sure at one time...after this Nancy drama started and she moved back with her abusive husband she started to do terribly , that just shows how important support is from the people you love and from your team, many female figure skaters even today dont decide to do triple axel jump in their program because it is very hard jump, male figure skaters do it all the time and they do it many times as well in their program, my favorite male figure skater of all time Evgeny Plushenko did perfect triple axel jumps , men are better at figure skating than women for some reason , but Tonya was perfect for being a good figure skater...she was tiny , I am 153cm...she was 155cm which is very good if you want to be a figure skater, she had a lot of muscle, strong legs and she completed triple axel jump without hardly any support and with a lot of abuse ....she would have gotten soo far with right support system
Oh god ikr? She was done so so dirty
I nerver saw a triple lutz like that and never will.
She was amazing.
It was perfection.
Catarina Karuna That 3x lutz was bigger than my house. She owns that jump. No man or woman did it better.
You don't watch skating often do you lol. Women's skaters just started landing quads
Jenny Platypus he referenced the speed and height and distance; more rotations doesn’t mean it’s a bigger jump 🥇
Just Trusova, and no one, and I do mean no one, has a triple lutz that looks like that. Tonya did a quad loop for a Texaco commercial, but unfortunately she never tried it in competition.
She didnt deserve to,be banned for LIFE. maybe a three year ban ir something. Nicole Bobek broke into,a competiters home, broke skates, and stole money. Funny how she was given a pass, wasnt in any big trouble. probably because her home life was better or something ..wasnt fair to Tonya.
+Chris Coyne Exactly, and with all the real trash out there today who get away with things, Tonya's banning is uncalled for. But it only proves that from the start when she started to rise in the skating ranks, she had no chance from the start. The USFSA - her own federation - didn't like her because she was white (anglo saxon) but poor with a broken home. Meanwhile Midori Ito, who is her equivalent internationally (but even better) was supported completely early on by her own Japanese federation because they saw right away that they had a very unique and revolutionary gem who was Midori, in their own country at that moment. It's not difficult to see when the situation arises.
+Chris Coyne But anyways, Tonya managed to achieve a lot in her career. And consider that she achieved what she did while having her poor and broken background, and having little financial resources and less ice time - this simply makes her one of the greatest figure skaters ever in the history of the sport.
+chocolatesupport. Its Amazing that she was even able to achieve anything! In her skating career. Most people with backgrounds like hers dont ever make it. Tonya deserved more though, i think she should have done more acting or something after all of '94 happend. She could have been good, on a show like 'Roseanne' or something. But she was blacklisted from everything basically, so unfortunate..
chocolatesupport Very true. And i do believe she revolutionized the sport, along with her peers in the '90s. But Tonya was the first American women to skate the way she did. Hasn't been another since, and wont ever be. Because yes there were lots of great figure skaters before the 90's, but the sport was unpopular. It wasnt Just the '94 scandal that brought attention to the sport, also 1991 all three american world champions. Tonya was of course, given second. She really deserved best in the world, that year especially. Again, they didnt back her up, like they did the other women.
Chris Coyne
That is why people cannot laugh about the statement that Tonya was the best in 1991 (she said it herself), because overall, she really was. She won the American nationals, and was silver at World's. However, she beat Yamaguchi twice in that same year, and not by just a hair. Plus, the international judges (not American) were giving her the marks and showed appreciation for her artistry and style, besides her natural athleticism and strong technique.
This really was a beautiful performance, she deserved to win. And by the way, she is so muscular here because she gained a lot of weight between '92 and '93. she got back in shape here, but looks like she worked out and it turned into muscle. also she is 23 here and not 19.
Yeah her legs look super powerful and built.
I feel for this gal. Better parenting & she would've been unbeatable & in a much better place. Instead....
Funny thing is, with the bad parenting and evil husband, she somehow managed to win the US Nationals in 91 and place 2nd in that years World Championships.
USFA should’ve taken full-notice after the 91 season and put a plan into place to nurture and help Tonya grow. They knew of her struggles, and how despite them she accomplished so many feats. The skating community should’ve backed Tonya up after witnessing her raw talent. But alas, we all know how the story unfolded.
Lol Michelle Kwan! Little did a young unnoticed Michelle Kwan know that she would easily win NINE of those nationals championships !!
7 years after my initial comment this still remains one of my favorite national championship victories on the womens side. behind the clouds of controversy Tonya was able to pull it together for 4:30 ... pull some artistry out and relate to the crowd, and her jumps and spins were phenomenal. She didn't stop, she didn't fake a costume malfunction. she just went out and claimed ownership over the ice and blew evetryone else away.
PhoenixWindsong I love Tonya but she didn’t even go for the triple axel
@@USA-qm2bk More than 26 years after Harding's historic jump, you might be surprised to know that she is still one of just eight women in the world to have landed the jump in international competition. It remains one of the most difficult skills in figure skating due to the extra half-rotation in the air because of its forward take off. So who makes up list of skaters to achieve this acclaimed feat? Google it!
I love how dramatic and extended her Ina Bauer move was here. Such a beautiful and talented skill that takes a lot of muscle and control of parallel edges and I wish we saw that move in more programs today. Harding is hands down my 2nd favorite American skater after Michelle Kwan. I really miss the 90s and early 2000s of figure skating. Her 1991 LP though, ugh such a marvel to watch!
I agree with you, she had one of the best Ina Bauers. I just wish she had held it longe. Extended as far as body line and position but not timewise.
@@SOLE2SOUL if you watch Tonya in Albertville Olympics Exhibition 1992 (black and gold outfit) she does an Ina Bauer half way around the rink. So beautiful and graceful.
Tonya was Michelle Kwan's idol.
I remember at this competition they cut to Michelle’s face watching Tonya and when she jumped Michelle mouthed Wow!. I have always felt that spoke volumes about Michelle’s character.
Nancy Kerrigan was simply no match for Tonya Harding as a skater. Therefore, I have a hard time believing that Tonya Harding had anything to do planning the attack and instead think it was all her abusive and very dumb ex husband.
Yeah she was on the road back to being the very best in the entire world once more. She could have had a gold medal.
Well apparently no one did compared to the disappointing previous nationals where she placed fourth.
Tonya was very much an athletic skater, she landed 5 thriples in order to win the 94 title. had Tonya and Nancy faced each other, it would have been interesting to see who would have placed 1st and who placed 2nd. I would have been pulling for Tonya.
Tonya 100% would be Nancy toe to toe in any skating competition .. No name Nancy was a nobody until the scandal.
Who else is here after seeing "I, Tonya"?
She always had it, and she knew it. When you have that kind of confidence and self-assurance in your talents and abilities, the thought of sabotaging the chances of a fellow competitor to advance your own position doesn't cross your mind, because you have a strong belief within yourself that you have what it takes to pull it off. The ex-husband was a fool for intervening. Tonya would've stood up fine against her competition, and could've easily taken out the gold fair and square - no black batons needed. Her speed and power, especially in the air, was elite, and far superior to that of many other figure skaters of her time.
thealchemist 7895....BRAVO..!!!!!
she still brought him with her to Norway even after the arrests, and the bail bond. Make no mistake, she was all in with what he did.
She did so well, exceptionally well. Such a dynamic skater who could have excelled to greater heights. Great skater.
sure, if only she hadn't psychotic urges, eh? *rolls eyes
Beautiful skater I wish she had more support! But she did well considering the circunstances💜
If Nancy Kerrigan wasn't such a "B" to people maybe she could have controlled her urges better.
I think maybe Diane Rawlinson was a bit of a pushover coach, i think Tonya skated better programs with Dodie Teachman as a coach, but she had more of a personal connection with Diane
955pokerface I think you're completely right. Diane was probably a better technical coach, but Dodie seemed to bring out Tonya's best skating. Of course, maybe that was just coincidence and her personal life had more to do with the timing of her performances. Who knows. She could have been the US's best skater of all time had she been supported and trained properly. Instead, she was looked at as an outsider from the wrong side of the tracks. How many other kids do you think get pushed aside because of that? Argh. Okay, rant over! ha ha!
955pokerface Rawlinson has always seemed to patronize Tonya for her own personal gain IMO. one of her childhood friends once said that "Diane didn't have the emotional capacity to give Tonya what she really needed." I have always felt that came through loud and clear. Who knows what Tonya could've accomplished with any kind of legitimate support system.
I think Diane seems more upbeat than she is portrayed on I,tonya not so much has a fairy. Tonya took both coaches on an incredible journey that neither of them would have gone on without her. Its a shame they could not of worked with her together, Diane seemed such a nice lady and I think the friend who said that statment also said Diane treated Tonya like her daughter but that Diane didn't have the emotional capacity to cope with Tonya's teenage tomboy behaviour and bad Attitude but who would have been able to handle Tonya at that time, this is a girl who was used to being whacked by her mother for not skating well and then mainly brought her self up with very little guidance or rules! Diane saying 'please do this' or 'please don't do that' probably went straight over Tonyas head. I think any coach would've their hands full and by the sounds of it Tonya was not nice to Dody either, Maybe if Dody and Diane would have worked together they would have been stronger and gave Tonya the support she needed, I do like Diane though she seemed lovely.
@@searanch32 Diane babied Tonya which she liked. Dody was supportive and nurturing as well, but she was tougher and more discipline oriented and didn't take any of Tonya's crap. Which made her better, but which Tonya was too rebelious to put up with long term.
I definitely appreciate Dick Button and Peggy Fleming's commentary over Scott Hamilton's of Tonya. They seem much more neutral and objective, and complimentary of Tonya's abilities. They say she has great maturity in her skating, but then Scott just talks down on Tonya's style.
I agree. It was well known in skating circles that Scott Hamilton hated Tonya, but you'd think he could have put his personal issues aside long enough to do what he was being paid to do, namely provide professional unbiased commentary on the merits of the skating. Instead, just about every Tonya performance commentated by him was a hate-fest. Very unprofessional and very hypocritical as well
I love Dick Button’s commentary on her 1991 Nationals free skate when she lands her historic first triple axel in competition. I gathered Scott Hamilton was frustrated with her at the 1994 Olympics, but I’ve also seen times where he spoke well of her performances. During her free skate at the 1991 Skate America, he was super enthusiastic about her jumps and said something like, “No one’s going to beat this program.” Also, at the 1992 Olympics he says he thinks she should have placed higher than Midori Ito after the original program. I’ve even seen comments on CZcams about his bias in favor of her there. But I think things changed as time went by.
@@chooseyourpoison5105 Yes a good point, keep your personal info out of a pro job that you are being paid for!Why did he hate her anyway? I mean he won the olympics in 1984 I mean very different stuff compared to today!
Dick Button is hardly neutral on Tonya, but he was very complimentary here (as he should be!) Scott does not have any kind of filter, at least Dick had the presence of mind to use his in most of his commentary.
@@chooseyourpoison5105 sports commentary is not journalism. It's not meant to be unbiased. That's why, in part, most competitive countries have their own commentators.
Dick Button was kind at that point in his career. A few years later he was calling skaters"refrigerator breaks."
This is just outstanding
They never have proved that she knew anything beforehand.
Jessica Moore Yes, they have
Are you on cocaine?
Yes, you are right. I don't think she knew before either! If that is true and she did not know, I don't agree she should have been banned.
I haven't watched this since the year it happened...1994? Where did the time go? This was when skating was something everyone had to watch. I remember all the craziness leading up to the Olympics, and all the parodies that were being done on TV. At Halloween of that year, I remember seeing a lot of Tonya costumes at parties. Good times!
David Derks exactly what happened to skating. It seems so boring these days. Too many technical crap.
gorgeous performance!
I love Dick Button's commentary, you have to be a damn good skater to get such complements from him
Aside from being a great skater Dick Button is the greatest commentator ever. When he talks listen because you will learn. When he was paired with Peggy Flemming you could not do better. I love Peggy's commentary as much as Dick's.
Dick and Peggy were the best.❤❤❤❤
Watched the DVD of "I, Tonya"...last night...quite a movie...Margot Robbie was outstanding.
I think if the knee business wouldn't have happened, Tonya would've won at least the silver here but probably the gold with this performance, a gold for sure with the triple axel even if Kerrigan skated her LP perfectly. Nancy Kerrigan was never a consistent skater and I think getting hit in the knee and having her focus be on rehab actually helped her to do as well as she did at the Olympics--that was only one of two clean LPs I had ever see her do. But had Tonya gone to the Olympics and skated like this, she would've come away with at least the bronze. With the triple axel and given the performances Nancy and Oksana did that night, she would've definitely had a silver, maybe even the gold--though I think that would've been a stretch (assuming she skated a clean SP) b/c Nancy and Oksana would've scored better artistically. I will go to my grave believing that Tonya was in on the plan 100% no matter what she says and it was stupid and for nothing. Her jumps were huge and she was talented.
One of the sad ironies of the whole fiasco--all other things considered, she was in a very good place to win even with a healthy Nancy in the mix.
I'm torn on whether she knew or not, but agreed, if none of this would have happened, the 94 Olympics could have been a victory for her!
This line you said is 1000% accurate!!: "Kerrigan was never a consistent skater and I think getting hit in the knee and having her focus be on rehab actually helped her to do as well as she did at the Olympics."
Her arms and hands are beautiful when she spins.
She's one of The greatest skaters regardless you like it or not, I love you Tonya I know You are inocent.
She ate innocent? Must've had bad indigestion after that...
lyverbird1973 hahahahah no just a grammar mistake
She admitted it. Plus she never apologized for it, merely attempted to justify it. 2 generations of Taylor Swift mean girls dominating pop culture has rebranded Tonya into an antihero, but make no mistake she put that hit out on Nancy, and she milked the drama that followed, HARD.
Tonya is and always will be the greatest and the most beautiful!!!
Absolutely!
Dawny Mae You haven't watched Katerina Witt
The greatest criminal figure skater you mean? And she was FAT.. lard hips..
Grumpy Stiltskin And you're a pathetic loser.
Grumpy Stiltskin Still a pathetic loser
It's crazy, the comments on here where people are saying she's "fat". Having to confirm to a stick-insect ideal must be terrifying. In most cultures, this is not a fat woman. Also - Tonya in this clip (not her best performance) was still more talented than ANY of the commenters today. It's a shame she didn't know better and wasn't able to rise above her circumstances and make better choices. I don't think her entire life should have been destroyed by her stupid and wreckless involvement.
"In most cultures, this is not a fat woman." You are wrong.
Well there's still time........to come clean and admit she knew the plan. She can't be prosecuted if she does. Thee's still a big chip on her shoulder unfortunately.
People are saying she's fat? No wonder my ex (Caucasian) boyfriend called me rotund at 129 lbs. : ( she's not fat. She's got muscular legs cause she jumps around all damn day. I'd wager she has less body fat here than most people. I know I'd be right. Also some people like thicker legs and bottoms. I don't wish to be mean to women with less "shape" but I never thought super skinny legs were sexy. They look like kids legs. To each his own but she's not fat for heavens sake.
LGL Being thin doesn't mean you don't have a "shape". She isn't fat, she is definitely muscular and has a wider body frame. She could definitely have both fat and muscle, she looks great, fit and strong to me. And your ex boyfriend calling you fat at 129 lbs depends on how was your body fat composition and how was fat settling in your body.
You don't have to belittle and bully thinness to prove your point.
The power and dedication that she had, she could've been the simone biles of ice skating
Reelz TV ran a special on her that says there was not only handwritten note, which matched hers, with the name and phone where Kerrigan practiced, but also phone records at the exact time of the attack (when she said she was sleeping) and interviews with personnel at the rink that put together a very strong if circumstancial case. Kerrigan said the FBI told her she was involved. The Portland DA opted to take a plea deal rather than go through an expensive trial. Scott Hamilton said recently that she bit every hand that fed her and that they both had some of the same financial sponsors. She had at least one endorsement as national champion. I remember seeing the ad. She also got financial help from George Steinbrenner who she thanked publicly. She brought herself down. Afterward she was free to do anything else... go back to school, etc. If fully prosecuted, she could have gone to jail.
I always thought her Ina Bauer and her spins were awesome. I don't think people give enough credit for those portions of a program.
Absolutely, her Ina Bauers were always phenomenal!! And she held them so long, especially her 1992 Albertville Olympic Exhibition skate!!
A very athletic woman. She should have a cushy job with a skating show today with all her abilities. One mistake and a lifetime of penalty.
boy your morality must not be that stable, that's not a mistake, that's a premeditated attack
I agree, she was old enough to know better! What a coward.......and still walking around saying she knew nothing of the 'plan'. BS......if she was smart she would own up to it, .......that would also guarantee her interviews and maybe even endorsements, but her lack of class, integrity, and her huge ego won't allow it.
You are a hater bel lab, you respond in a very negative way to all the positive commentaries here. That is just dads
Look at your life first before judging others.
RachelDavisMatthews who cares.
I don't think she has an ego. I think she legitimately doesn't comprehend what happened.
She grew up in a world where she was beaten by her mother and husband and was basically forced to marry to have a roof over her head. Aside from "comped" coaching (where they got publicity), she got very little help financially.
She knew about a plot where the girl got bruised in the knee. She was 23, she didn't hold the baton, and ultimately there was almost no real physical harm.
She's not "smart enough," she had to quit school at 16. She just lives her backwoods life. I hope one day people realize that her triple axel is far more impressive than her bungled supposed conspiracy to bring Nancy down. Her life is proof that no matter what some people can achieve, their "status" in life will always hold them back.
Felony. A felon
5:13 LOL they show nancy reaction she was beyond pissed.
I know!!! It was hilarious to watch her silver spoon fed face. Tonya kicked ass!!!!!
Diane Rawlinson is so prettyyyyy!
Say what you want, but she's the strongest skater that ever lived.
Surya Bonaly would like to have a word with you...
Presidential pardon for the past, Tonya should NOT have been stripped of her title, as it was before the U.S. Figure ASSociations shake down on her. Tonya is #1 .
The better skater does not always win and she was never convicted of having anything to do with the attack.
She plead guilty/no contest. The latter being a guilty plea but you get to keep your pride.
She was talented, it is a shame she made so many bad choices
They should at least give her back her 94 title, this was glorious.
She's the Rock Star of figure skating!!
Tonya has to keep her head UP . She was a champion and one of the best in the WORLD. That is awesome .