Shannon Sharpe Compares Beyoncé To Taylor Swift | Joe Budden Reacts
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Having Taylor swift vs Beyoncé debate in February is nothing but the devil.
No comparison
Taylor’s better
@@RichardTaylor-pf2ve in what way 😂 ?
Spoken like a Black Supremist
@@RichardTaylor-pf2ve only according to white people 🤷🏾♀️
I swear, it is so hard for us black folks to comprehend that there is so much more stuff that exists outside of “our world”. The reality that we live in isn’t always THE reality
Black people influence more than the other way round.
That goes for everyone, have you looked at America lately? 🙄
Grow up! They spoke facts… Beyonce isn’t single and hasn’t been known for sleeping around making songs about exs. It’s a reason they compare Beyonce to everyone…
Only them woke pro black liberals 😭
@@stoneytv6777So not liking Taylor Swift music makes you woke? Thank you, I never knew the definition of "woke" lol I guess I'm woke because I think Taylor Swift music is corny and lame lol..
I kinda agree t swift does move the needle more I agree that her being white helps but I think it’s more so because she just make’s really good music…I think it’s more so her music than just her being white….if her music was trash her being white wouldn’t matter
Taylor Swift has been dropping album after album after album. Since 2006, she’s released every 2 years or every year. Her music also appeals to young girls and middle-aged woman.
Beyoncé has been every 2-3 years, except she released lemonade in 2016 and her next album renaissance was 2022, nobody cared about a Lion King album. That’s 6 years of no music, Taylor is like Drake, she keeps releasing and releasing and it’s pop music which appeals to more audiences/people.
@@BlackMarq20 I think this is a good take on it.
@@BlackMarq20If it wasn't for Kanye I wouldn't even know who Taylor Swift is
Actually alot of people cared about the lion kong album and the carters album. Taylor's music is for children. And white women. Its basic..shes basic. @@BlackMarq20
Taylor swift makes pop music which makes it more accessible, good music is subjective
I love both artist and I agree with Shannon Sharpe, What we need to understand is Taylor swift demographic is 8 - 30 year old white girls. I hate when black people say " I don't know 5 Taylor swift songs" Just because you and your circle aren't fans doesn't negate the fact that she is a huge star. I'm black and live in the Caribbean and I know some of her songs. If America is 70% white and most of them like her, of course she will move the needle more than Beyonce. Look at things logically instead of through a black lens. It's not going to make you any less black.
Taylor's fan base are mostly adults. And majority of white women.
👏👏
Yeah he trippin ik 5 Taylor Swift songs Bad blood wit Kendrick Delicate Shake it Off Blank Space End Game wit Future and I'm the biggest Ariana grande fan
Tell lem
@@POET913 okay you are one person. And?
Joe saying that with ugg boots on is hilarious
Even Adele did not like the comparison game with B.
Adele doesnt have close to the fanbase of taylor
@@ihateflatbunz its Adele. She's a way better singer and songwriter than Taylor. Stop capping.
@@thatraspyshxt I never spoke on talent sir so where did I lie
@ihateflatbunz you can literally Google and see that Adele has Taylor's fan base. So much so, Taylor couldn't catch up to Adele in sales and staying on the charts..
@@thatraspyshxtThe most streamed artist of 2023 was Taylor Swift. 26 billion streams. Adele has not and will not ever touch that.
These two Women have two different styles.
Beyoncé is us who crosses over when she wants.
Taylor is country and pop both excellent at what they do.
Shanon is right
Will be back to this in 5 years
@@itzcandy5896she has been on top since she was 17 y.o. look at the numbers of fearless in 2008 and compare then to I am Sasha Fierce, Beyoncé's most popular album. TS was the number 1 most sold album that year and its sold overall 10.5M and its not ts most popular album. Beyoncé never sold 10M for an album even with I am sasha fierce.
Yo I never believed it(only know 1 TS song) but had no clue how iconic she is to the white community. She truly is to many what Beyonce is to the Black community🤷♂️ I'd call both of them near MJ level artists on a global scale
@@317cmrogersNeither of them are close to Michael Jackson as an artist and entertainer, on a global level. Michael Jackson’s been dead over a decade but naming 20 of his songs of the top is no problem. I can’t name 5 of either Beyoncé or Swift. Both media hype, 1 marketed to blacks the other to whites.
MJ Prince situation, both Elite and ppl loved Prince parties but MJ moved the needle more, i dont think its disrespectful to say Swift moves needle more than Beyonce
It is disrespectful. You're comparing a 27 year career to a mediocre white woman who doesn't even do what you do on stage. 😂😂
It is only disrespectful in some regard considering how long Beyoncé has been doing it. But swift has been handling her business for tears now too so it’s not a real disrespect as Joe making it seem
@@stephonhopkins4569 it is disrespectful cause they aren't the same artist. And one doesn't have to work as hard as the other to be considered great.
@@thatraspyshxt lol we been and will always compare greats lol it is what it is lol the context people provide in the midst of conversation about the greats is what’s important.
@stephonhopkins4569 you don't compete where you don't compare. So to associate Taylor with the stage of great is hilarious in itself.
This goes back to the Taraji situation, there is artistry vs star power. Regardless of how you feel about her singing Taylor moves the needle. Shannon jumped out the window with MJ comparison though.
Shes doing MJ like numbers no one else is doing anything like it.
She’s literally the closet thing to MJ when it comes to media and concerts
When it’s all said and done she will have the highest grossing tour of all time
@@ihateflatbunz she's of the streaming era also. MJ sold hard copies of albums. It's not the same.
@@toniemosley5694 She doing beyond Drake numbers those white folks would be in the stores to.
@ihateflatbunz I don't care nothing about drake either. He's also of the streaming era. As far as what folks would or wouldn't have done back then concerning taylor drake or anyone of this Era is speculation because we can never know that. I do think she's a huge star and definitely sales more than anyone in this current era. But to me, you can't compare how music is purchased, charting and viewed on TV now vs back then.
The beehive vs the swifties in a hell in a cell match!
SWIFTIES eat beehive up and I’m here for it
Everytime a white artist gets hit y’all compare them to Beyoncé as usual
@@itzcandy5896 Beyoncé is an icon and she’s definitely a legend but I like how Taylor swift has surpassed beyonce purely based on musician traits and personality. Yes beyonce is better visual artist and can dance better, she also has stronger vocals than Taylor but at the end of the day Taylor writes her music from the beginning to the end, Taylor plays multiple instruments, Taylor’s doesn’t rest on beauty but by being kind to others. Beyoncé is a talented beautiful hardworking robot and Taylor swift is just you average girl next door . Taylor being a superstar for being normal really sends the beehive in a frenzy .
Yeah, it'd be hell for the Beehive... Cowboy Carter did under 400k first week and Taylor just drop 2.6 milli in her first week.
1:12 that “tah dah!” was so in sync!
Joe: " That porcelain lady" 😂😂😂😂
I luv Joe for that! Budden for the win 🙌🏾💅🏾
that shit was childish asf hating on taylor for being more successful than beyonce petty asf
Michael Jackson of our time whew I needed this laugh,bout to hit this good gas too💨😂😂
I completely disagree with Joe Budden. His argument assumes that Taylor Swift isn't talented. That is bullshit. It isn't just a machine behind her, she is an incredible writer and is directing some of her work as well. Give the woman credit. We can live in a world where we like both Taylor and Beyonce.
He says machine like there isn't one behind beyonce as well lol
The real machine are actually people like himself who always try to make black vs white racial issues . They are the machines who are trying to make the black artists win everything either by belittling the other races or by propagating outright lies about other artists from different races. There are many great black artists which the world is happy to admit but if a white artist is equally great then most black community never accept it as a fact.
Shes a songwriter thats all there is to her name songwriters tend not to be the forefront of fame.Shes just very lucky cause im sure they are other songwriters that are better than her who havent made a name for themselves.Also she is white and 70 percent of americans are white so that plays a factor.
She isnt 😂😂😂😂
Taylor swift literally is fresh off the highest grossing tour ever , over a billion dollars & they both released a movie this year about their tours, I’m sure you can guess who brought in 5X more money than the other. Musical talent is a diff argument but to argue reach is so dumb when you can just look at numbers🤦🏻♂️
If you break it down to $ per show is comparable.
Like Joe said that's consumerism stuff, but impact? What is Taylor's impact? If u stand in a village in India, they know Michael Jackson, they know the moon walk, if u go to South Africa they know Michael, if you go to rural Egypt they know him. Taylor is big in that small part of the world and her music isn't memorable outside of her core demographic which is pre teenager, teen and early 20s white girls. Taylor isn't impressive by any metric. People find her talent attainable that's why they like her, cause of her mediocrity. The person u could compare Taylor to is Drake.
Taylor is basically Thanos 🤷 it's insane how rabid her fan base is. The beehive has met their match with the swiftes lol
tay fans is as closed as a cult. they worship her and at the same time they felt bonding through her music/lyric. but they also helpful to others that show interest in swift. as far as i knw, beehive isnt like this. this is a whole new level of "fans". Tswift can post a pict from anywhere in the world and said "come find me" and they will. do you knw, shen swit release her 1989 TV albums last years, she thrown a 33million puzzles to be solved by fans, so they can find what's other 5 additional songs in that album (or as they called: from the vault). and boy... they did. all 33 million.
Rihanna’s fanbase seems to also support her more than Beyonce outside of music as well
It's okay for beyoncé not to be in first place anymore or the main act so to speak. Numbers don't lie and that's what I go by. Black people are funny. We could be wrong till no end and still say we're right. Like dude said earlier in the comments black people think it's just our world and whatever that's in it. It's much bigger than that people
@@Kickinthescience Yeah but that's when Ri was active. I remember. But since she hasn't put out music, they been in hibernation.
lol the beehive members too busy still going off about the renaissance tour 🎉❤
Thank you Joe!!
Beyoncé has been compared to EVERYBODY Hot since the 90’s and that’s a testament to Her Longevity and Greatness!! She has LASTED! Performed with Celine, Been here during Madonna’s rein, Compared to Pink, Britney & Christina, which is her actual ERA Of pop stars.. Compared to the Lady Gaga’s and Katy Perry’s of the world, Now The Adele’s and Taylor Swifts and that’s NOT even including the other Black Artist or Groups along the way
None of them Can hold a Candle to Bey.. with HALF Her talent and 1/4 of the records Beyonce has
INCLUDING Destiny’s Child (because that is in fact apart of her story and career)
What the hell does moving the needle even mean!!
She has seen Hundereds of girls come and Go.
Everyone has their run. Its TS run right now 🤷🏾♂️
Beyoncé has a country #1 song Dolly Parton, Taylor couldn’t do it 🤭 no PR FAKE relationship w star players in their field and playing victim 100x
Spent the first minute stating why the point was correct and then spent the remainder of the segment talkin circles around the point and saying why they refuse to acknowledge the point going forward
Taylor doesn’t need the blacks
The dumbest statement ever made on this podcast. "I dont know if Taylor Swift will be heard in 30 years"
He never said she was like Michael Jackson
Flamed it Joe!!!!
I started noticing Taylor fanbase,she not only have the teenagers but ,the teenagers moms and Aunt are going to the concert with thier kids,I said wow her concerts are tripling in terms of revenue, even though both Beyonce and Taylor tour help the economy, Taylor had the edge ,Beyonce only had a certain demographic in attendance to he honest,however no one ,i mean no one,can compare to Michael Jackson, they tried it with justin Beiber,and it failed,MJ was in a league of his own
So you think only black people went to see beyonce?????? Lmfaoooooooooooo yall are soooooooo tired.
No body knows Taylor swift in Africa! Beyonce is known all over the world 🌎
Ish cookin again and keeping it objective and that’s why he’s the best on this show. He’s always 100% with himself and speaks his mind. and the Taylor swift comment at the end about her music not being played in 20 years is crazy 😂
Beyoncé moves the culture and pop culture and country too …. House music all genres
3:02 it’s not just taylor is coming to games but she’s young and fun compared to beyonce 😂😂😂 it’s just facts. beyonce gone come look good and probably lift her head up to see the game here and there. taylor is swag surfing with the crowd and shit, got the skybox lit.
Same with Rihanna. Rihanna shows more personality than Beyonce wherever she goes
@@Kickinthesciencebeyonce is introverted and doesn't have to do all that.
Swag surfing in the box also is the Reason why Travis Kelces dad said she's not allowed back in thus said box with him.
When you have actual talent the music speaks for itself. Taylor uses her personality and break up somgs to sell records. Beyonce is a vocalist, she grew up in a different era where music was all you needed. Nowadays people only buy the music to get in your business. Thats why they made a big deal about Lemonade and thats why Taylor continues to soar. She knows what she is doing. Ariana is trying to do that same thing but mariah carey amd beyonce dont have too
Young and fun? She's 34 years old. She acts like a teenager.
Also if we wanna be technical. The biggest singular musical star in the world is The Weeknd
Lmao no
Bad Bunny
Taylor Swift Tour - $1.03 billion (60 shows)
The Weeknd tour - $352 million (64 shows)
@@aidentan6547 this about to sky rocket to 2 billion by the end of this year
Beyonce looking pretty white nowadays 😂😂😂
What does that even mean
She could never look white you crazy
@@JustxLiving909 skin whitening
She has blonde hair and she's a fair skinned woman. Stop the bullshxt.
😂wrong. That's her complexion. Tell white women to stop tanning and then maybe you'll have that ahh hah moment😂😂😂
Taylor Swift and many other artists are bigger, more relevant and move the needle more than Beyonce. It's not a Hot Take. This is a FACT.💯🤔
Taylor is not just popular in the US. She is selling out the largest stadiums around the world. She has the highest grossing tour ever. Taylor’s fanbase show up for her better than any other fanbase.
Because she is white. You have a lot of white people in today's world who don't listen to black artists because they are black and keep in mind they make up 70 percent of the population. It's not about talent when it comes to Taylor Swift because she isn't more talented. It's all about her being white. Even in other countries that are predominantly white like the UK and etc.
Sza album did better than taylors but she still lost...also, beyonce has made history selling out stadiums taylor has played...
@@crowing3886 The Eras Tour is the highest grossing tour ever and it’s not even done yet.
SZA’s album did great but if you check overall sales to date Midnights outsold SOS.
@@crowing3886sza, did not sell as many albums as Taylor did in 2023!! Race hasn’t absolutely nothing to do with it!! Whitney Houston has an album that sold over 50million and won album of the year! Michael Jackson has an album that sold over 90million and won album of the year! Beyoncé make popcorn music it stales fast! She’s never been the top seller ever!! It’s all smoke n mirrors! Taylor smashed everything! It’s not even close and to compare them will show how low Beyonce ranks against Taylor! Britney Spears has outsold Beyonce, lady Gaga, Whitney Houston, Rihanna, pink, Katy perry, Adele, Aretha Franklin! Beyoncé film bombed!!
@@crowing3886 SZA sold a huge amount this year but if you like at Midnights to date it definitely outsold SOS. Also the Eras Tour is the highest grossing tour ever and it’s not done yet. It’s just so impressive.
Ish to Flip: You are the resident...
Ice: ...whitey!
Lmaooo
The JPB podcast misconstrued what Shannon said .. he said Beyoncè doesn't move the NFL needle like Taylor Swift in terms of attracting a "new audience and a different set of eyeballs" to the NFL product. Beyoncè fans are ALREADY prone to watch the NFL as her demographic already watches NFL's live events. Taylor Swift's audience, in terms of new revenue sources, is basically a new untapped market for the NFL, not a preexisting market. Hence, it's not about who's better musically, it's about who's audience and fan base will "move the needle" for NFL ratings and therefore revenue
Taylor Swift is AMERICA'S artist. If we had a music olympics, that's who is carrying the flag.
😂😂😂😂 yikes.
Right and Beyonce will never be that. The news was saying Beyonce was instigated terrorism a few years back when she came out dressed like a black panther at a halftime. She'll never be fully "Americas" artist to them.
Exactly idk why most people hate to admit that
Taylor’s fans are white people black and non blacks dont listen to her.
Only because she is white. They need to compare her to Miley or pink. 😂😂 comparing her to Beyonce makes no sense at all.
Ain’t no “kinda” about it. She does and it’s ok to admit that 😂
Taylor is more commercially successful than Beyonce. Beyoncé’s cultural impact, brand strength / recognition and global legacy DWARFS Taylor’s. Period.
What are they arguing about... Taylor is a machine at this point like it or not. Beyonce and Taylor both released albums in 2022 and the sales arent even close. Taylor is a juggernaut. Shes at the top
She's been at the top since like 2014 tbh and she just keep getting more popular
Their not comparing the actual talent their comparing the status
You can't compare talent cuz there is no comparison. Taylor can write songs n Beyonce typically don't. That's all she got on her.
I agree with Joe on this one, not often but this 1.
Shannon talking about the financial aspect for the NFL Mel that’s why cam got on your ass talking out of place
THANK YOU JOE!!!
Iggy is white too but she ain’t no Taylor. We gotta stop acting like she’s huge JUST because she’s white. If that’s the case Bruno and The Weeknd wouldn’t be nearly as big as they are.
Facts!
And rihanna and drake..all of them sold more and are more streamed than bey.
Beyoncé is consumerism as well
No she’s not. As much as she is black and actually speaks on it, her music is NOT kids bop shit she actually be talkin in her music
I like Beyonce and yet can't deny Taylor Swift marketing game is on point. Taylor Swift network is higher then Beyonce. Beyonce rules her genre, Taylor Swift has been allowed to switch genres. And btw, because we are black do we live in an alternative dimension? Who can't name 5 Taylor Swift songs?
For every 1 genre Taylor has touched, Beyoncé has touched 10.
I can name 5, 10 if I concentrate but certainly not more than that. Taylor is mid and has recorded very few above avg songs. The best being blank space. So overrated, rated atleast 10 times higher than she should.
When Michael Jackson was doing it there was no comparison. He went head to head with all of the current Pop artist in all award shows. IDK if Beyonce has done that. She's never really went head to head with Taylor, even though Beyonce makes Pop music. Beyonce is winning Grammy's over R&B artists that don't even sell half the records that she sells.
you don't drop enough content for me to want to tune into these short clips...return to feeding the youtubers patreon episodes or this pod seems to be wrapping up!!
Ish I thought ya pay me to tell the truth. ' Joe ' No 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Bad Blood wit Kendrick Delicate Shake it Off Blank Space End Game with Future yeah Joe is crazy Taylor has at least 5 hits and that coming from an ARIANA Grande fan
Yeeeeeah it's definitely a situation where you'll play songs they all go "oh I heard that, I know that one" they acting like I KNOW NOTHING OF TAYLOR. Which I find hard to believe
Not what he said wish u all would look at the full clip
He said the closest thing to Michael Jackson, not the same as Michael Jackson. He went on to say no one could ever compare to Michael Jackson.
Y’all twisting what he said. He was mainly talking about the audience that she brings to football that usually wouldn’t watch it.
Taylor's music is slightly more universal than Beyonce's imo...it's for all ages. However I am definitely apart of the Beehive
It's for teens 😂 you smoking crack or something. It's like comparing Donnie Osmond to Michael, there is no comparison.
White America always does this bull shii, tryna compare a calf to a goat. Just stop this nonsense.
Universal? Not even close lmfaoo. It's a white American thing but outside of N. America and Asia, Taylor Swift is nowhere close to Beyonce in global popularity. Most people in Africa do not listen to Taylor Swift.
Beyonce's too..she is known all over the world...we loved her when she came to Ethiopia to preform..very humble, talented and of course amazing preformer 🎉.
@@wubijegyacob1338 Not saying she's not...I said "Taylor's is a little more".
I am sure Taylor is in her own right a great artist but I don't think so many people specially in Africa know her.
He was saying regarding the NFL and what it does for them. Taylor swift is a bigger brand for the NFL and the coverage of the NFL than beyonce is. It's common sense
When Unc said she move the needle more than B he was talking from an influence perspective and revenue generation perspective that’s all … Unc knows Taylor can’t touch B from an artistic perspective
Well, Taylor Swift writes her own songs and plays multiple intruments. So I don't know what you mean by "artistically" because she beats Beyonce on those areas...
Taylor swift is very talented and artistic. Do you even k ow anything about her to be saying what you’re saying.? She plays the piano, the guitar, she’s a singer/song-writer, a record producer, a music video director, a business woman, an actress… she plays the guitar and the piano during some of her performances, she’s written most of her own songs, she’s written songs for Rihana, Miley Cyrus, B.O.B, big name country artists, she helps produce and direct her records and music videos… like come on.. maybe you listen to ratchet stuff or whatever but don’t discredit Taylor on her artistic abilities cause she has many.
@@mbembalebashe plays guitar, that’s it talkin abt multiple and she ain’t that great at it neither… and her music that she writes is kids bop as hell 😂 Beyoncé makes better songs and better videos and better performances and conveys it way better than Taylor. Taylor comes across as a doe eyed school girl who talks abt exes, nothing profound artistically in her art, just surface level shit
@Jazlin92665 stop with the ratchet shxt. You act like there are no black artists that do all of that and then some. Do not get beside yourself trying to make your little points about Taylor Swift.
3:51 so mj wasn’t doing the same n more. that mf jumped out and had dudes passing out gtfoh. he was going against the system at that mf.
God it’s weird seeing the hate she gets just for being successful 😭. Is she more talented the B? I say no but to just say is catchy tunes and nothing more is COMPLETELY discrediting her as an artist and musician. I recommend going to listen to her music the same way yall would check for a Travis drake or Kendrick and LISTEN to what she’s saying and then come back. For her musicality it’s not my vibe not all of it but she has joints and I’m not talking about any of the ones relying on an 808. She’s an incredible writer bro. You love hip hop and breaking down bars? Give that same energy here and I promise it’ll change how you see her as an artist. I was the same way too but I gave it an honest shot and ayye it ain’t bad 🤷🏾♂️
Taylor is talented but she's not number 1 by far with no competition talented, also let's not pretend she writes all these songs by herself
She can't sing live that's one and you act like she's the only talented artist that writes. R Kelly, Alicia Keys and even Chris Brown are better writers than her and their level of success is nowhere near hers mind you they don't sound bad live so what's the difference between these artists who are just as talented or even better writers and can actually hold a note live compared to taylor swift?
" And it's new, the shape of your body
It's blue, the feeling I've got
And it's ooh, woah-oh"
these the taylor lyrics you are saying to break down???
Thank you for being willing to have an open mind & be fair .. all love bruv
Taylor swift is the poster child oup of mediocre people who have ran this country to praise and their mediocrity and they have trained black people to fear their mediocrity and brainwashed black people to see their mediocrity as greatness. It happens in music, film, corporations, and everyday life and this is sadly why black people will always accept the myth that they are second class citizens in America
Just let them do a versus and that will settle it all 💯🤷🏾♂️
Then Taylor wouldn't stand a chance 😂
Taylor gon play shake it off after me myself and I?
Everything is not about black and white man…what was Beyoncé singing about when she was 25? Bootyliciois…yall need to chill. Swift is bigger now just like Drake is bigger than the ppl before him. It aint no disrespect to say Swift moves the needle more.
“Oh we black so we ain’t supposed to say that even if it’s true.” No thats corny!
Beyounce not even relevant right now and I can’t stand t swift lol
This is a wrong headed conversation. Beyoncé is a great performer. Brilliant. She is ten years older that Taylor,
Taylor is a brilliant songwriter. Taylor is currently selling out Singapore. Every stadium globally Guys it’s not a competition. Taylor has some of the ten highest selling albums in the world. But she would say that Beyoncé is a genius. Thank god we have both. No Taylor’s songs are deep and speak to many people. Around the world. I’m an old white lady and I can name 10 Beyoncé songs and 10 or more of Taylor’s songs. Expand yourself ! Taylor writes her own music. Taylor has been going 20 years now. Taylor at 14 wrote a country album. Then she switched to pop, then pop- rock Then folk. She directs her videos, and designs her concerts.
The problem here is you should expand your minds Beyoncé s music is genius level and her love performances are great. But so is some of Taylor’s.
Beyoncé and Taylor truly are both forces for good in the world.
One thing I hate about these race conversations in music. Is when we find it inconceivable for a white artist to earn more accolades than our own. I love Beyonce- Lord knows I do. But I’ve never seen the media or a sports franchise promote her as much as they have Taylor Swift this past few months. There’s a designer who JUST GOT A BRAND DEAL w/ the NFL. FIRST OF ITS KIND EVER- all becuz of a varsity jacket she made for Taylor. Can we say the same for Beyonce?
Agree with joe n flip on this one. If Beyoncé started going to the nfl games dating a nfl player what y’all think would happen
Taylor unfortunately would still get more coverage
She dates Jay - z we talked about it , she got cheated on we talked about it, 1st pregnancy 2nd pregnancy
Listen they made a special announcement during the grammys about Beyonce making an appearance there. Celebs were lined up to take a picture with Beyonce. Meanwhile, Taylor announced her new album during her acceptance speech and her peers were not moved. So idc what folks say, Beyonce is a celebrity to other celebrities..including Taylor..
they sound like some like some racist haters
I'm never mad at ppl recognizing Taylow Swifts star power but the comparison to MJ is 💩
There’s no comparison to me. It’s like when they compare Nicki and Cardi. They are both popular artist at the moment but one is a legend who changed music and has been on top of their game for decades.
Now we can’t compare stuff 😂
THIS IS FACTS! SOMETHING I CAN STRONGLY AGREED ON
WHO WAS THE PERSON WEARING THE COW GIRL HAT, AT THE GRAMMYS WAS THAT MEGAN THE STALLONE??????
😂😂
I WAS DRINKING LOVE, LOVE BUT NOT IN A GRAMMY CUP. WHATEVER THAT MEANS LOVE . REACHING AOL
Taylor Swift is impactful, but she IS NOT A MOVEMENT or causes MOVEMENT on the level that Bey’s art causes.
Bey doesn’t release her art to gain popularity, but to shine light on a things of this world that turns a blind eye to which are sooo “un-popular”.
T. Swift’s albums sounds similar or alike to one another’s, while not one of Bey’s albums sound alike at all.
Taylor is about numbers and being popular and has a formula to what to write in order to do this that’s working and don’t seem to care of growth…while Bey is about growth and learning and evolving and not sounding the same as everything that already out. She been on sounding different since Destiny’s Child and stop being about charts and numbers and popularity after she had Blue. Her competition is herself and making sure her art MOVES and not CONFORMS.
Just my two cents and that’s why they are not comparable and will never be.
You or your circle not being able to name songs of an artist is one of the worst metrics to measure someone ever. I see people on Twitter doing it to killer mike now. It's ok if you don't know. But using it to downplays is laughable
I think these guys are missing the point, while me myself and a lot of people may not know Taylor Swift songs when they say Taylor Swift moved the needle they're talking about a lot of young white girls in their teens and 20s and that would never have watched football before and are turning it on because they hope to see a glimpse of Taylor Swift that's the needle she's moving not the black community.
Realest thing I've ever heard Joe say!!!!
Also, this is not a fair equivalent between the two based on what Mel said.
He said move the needle for the NFL
They always take things out of context and make it made racist
Is the budget not equivalent between the 2 though?
Us people from the south have the same argument Joe made when it comes to Boosie and Jay-Z
Boosie cannot be compared to Jay
People from the South listen to Jay-Z though, especially in his prime
Boosie influenced is no where near jay-z
And thats why yall lost the war.
Sense aint always common
Bro the most ignorant dudes think that Boosie can even be compared to Jay-Z. Boosie is a decent regional rapper. Jay-Z is a worldwide brand.
SO LOOK....... CAN WE
Beyonce isn't in her prime though. If this was 06 Beyonce vs Taylor it would be a better comparison. Taylor is like early 2000s Britney Spears at this point. In 2009 Beyonce was way bigger than Taylor, i didn't even know who Taylor Swift was before Kanye snatched the mic out of her hands..
Beyoncé has never been as big as Taylor currently is doesn't matter what year of her career u wanna compare
@@shesbaldbutiwould 03-2009 Beyonce was bigger, Destiny's Child also was bigger. Taylor is overrated, i think those numbers are fabricated, I don't hear people talking about Taylor Swift, I don't hear people listening to her songs etc. Back in the early 2000s i didn't like the Backstreet Boys Britney Spears etc but you heard them everywhere weather you liked it or not, I'm not seeing that from Taylor, I can't even name 3 of her songs. The media is just lying to you..
@@marlowstanfield6815 lol no Beyoncé or destiny's child were ever bigger let's be real, media fabricating them sold out stadiums worldwide too I guess?
@@marlowstanfield6815idk how, her songs always play on the radio, you can't fake them bonkers your numbers she pulls, the girl is the biggest artist in the game
@@Jboooog18 i listen to the radio all the time, I don't hear no Taylor Swift. The media can make the numbers look like what they want them too. Like I said I can name a bunch of Britney Spears songs and I couldn't stand her music, but I had to hear it weather I wanted to or not, I don't see that kind of impact from Taylor. They are lying about how big she is...
Maybe, just maybe Taylor Swift moves the needle more for the simple fact that she's just a much more appealing artist. While I'm sure race plays a factor in it. But to simply say that the sole reason is a bit unfair.
More appealing to whom? Other white people?
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I always say that Beyoncé just isn’t relatable to average women anymore (which is fine, you’ve had a damn near 30 year career). But 5 year olds to 18 years olds aren’t checkin for B like that
Taylor Swift has fans that are younger then her career and she’s only been around since like 2007?
@@mylessmith8059 she isn't relatable yet most women relate to Beyonce and her music. Are yall okay up there?
@mylessmith8059 she's 34 years old. She's not a teenager not is she a young adult..she's a grown ass woman..
@@thatraspyshxt I guess the 5-18 year old demographic just went over your head 🙄
Are you alright up there 🤔
Exactly! No blacks can name a Taylor Swift song. So how is she so great. How do we base a comparison,.,
It’s like comparing 90s Mariah to Madonna… talent, power, likability uniqueness vs commercial marketing
Taylor raised the bar and moved the needle and that's super facts, if you don't like it or can't accept it, that doesn't change what's true. This argument is corny and divisive.
Shannon said nothing wrong
I wish they could revisit this conversation especially after Beyoncé just made history with her song Texas Hold ‘Em going number 1 on billboard making it the first country song by a black person ever to reach number 1 on and the first country song by a woman to reach #1 in 40 years and try to define the definition of “moving the needle” because it seems that their definition is just simply being popular and moving the needle to me means to make a cultural impact and a change Beyoncé also just became the first black woman to go number 1 on the country charts and all of the results of her putting out her own country songs have boosted the sales of black country artists music by many. I that not actually pushing the needle?
Yo I can help but wonder 🤔 Does Be or Hov or Taylor listen to these clips; or do people just report the news to them. I mean cause I gotta believe at some point they catch wind of some of this shit.
Why is this a debate. Taylors star power is MJ level, period. And if we are being honest we’ve never seen anyone like her. That’s just the facts. Nothing to do with music. The world literally Taylor is insane not just US. I hate when we get on pods and start acting stupid for the sake of ignorant bias.
agree, there are global politicans begging for Taylor swift go to their country ; shes like two decades into her career and she just keeps getting more and more popular ; musical legends praise her
We about to find out when Beyoncé release her COUNTRY ALBUM later this year.
yea i promise im not a swiftie ...but lets not act like the machine isnt behind Beyonce as well. The fact you can't say anything against Beyonce says everything. They are comparable, Swift has been releasing albums since 2006. Taylors fans (like Beyonce) grew up on her music and those same fans became adults along with Taylor. She'll definitely get played decades from now. Now i think Beyonce is more creative in the stage show and makes better music overall. Beyonce is a super hero....Taylor is more relatable in her music...white women feel like they can wear the same outfit as her, thats the appeal. Beyonce is something no human can reach
The reason Taylor has edge on Beyoncé is sell ability.. Taylor demographic ranges from 6y/o to where ever. Beyoncé crowd is easily 16 up. A lot of old folks and parents don’t want their kids watching a bunch of dancers and the main star dancing around all ass out. To add the sexual lyrics Beyoncé sometime has in her songs turn some parents off.
Taylor like Michael in the sense she can sell to everyone. Beyoncé simply can’t.
Not even trying to hide the Black Supremacy bullshit 😅
Looked up the numberes Taylor swift has sold way more albums as a single artist than Beyonce and its not even close. She is approaching Michael Jackson and Madonna total sales. Its like comparing Oprah or Byron Allen money to Elon Musk or Bill gates money their all billionaires but at different levels.
Mj sold a billion records she’s not close to
TS has a yt suburban fanbase, which aligns with the audience the NFL and other brands are trying to reach since viewership has been down.
The "swifties" are larger in number, and the demos are much different than Bey's.
WE love Bey, but she doesn't have a larger yt fanbase than TS.
Bey definitely has bigger cultural moments than TS.
TS doesn't have memorable visuals/performances.
The difference is Taylor Swift still does big roll outs for her albums. She drops Easter eggs and is very strategic to keep herself in the media when she is touring or dropping an album. Beyoncé drops an album, goes on tour and doesn’t care to stay in the media because she prioritizes her family and privacy. I wonder if taylor swift will still be constantly in the media once she starts a family, or if she will take a step back like Beyoncé.
When Nikki Minaj says she writes her own music black ppl give her allllllll the props. Women Power! Taylor says she writes all her own music...black ppl. Oh is that true though. But its not good as good. Thats all bias opinion. Beyonce for a fact dont write all her own muaic
Exactly! Don’t just say she moves the needle like her music is better because it’s not. Both ladies are talented but I think we all know who the better talent overall and whose music is better overall.
Our elders these days are straight up dumb. I miss our grandparents 😢
Soon they will make a song together
Shannon had a point. You Beyhivers need to get out your feelings.🫵🏾