Holley EFI: Can It Control A Vortec 4200 Engine?

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  • čas přidán 29. 02. 2024
  • Today we explore the struggles of getting a Holley ECU to run a Turbo Vortec 4200, which we are swapping into a 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS.
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Komentáře • 550

  • @danielcarroll5667
    @danielcarroll5667 Před 4 měsíci +210

    I highly approve your level of sarcasm...

    • @Lloyd973
      @Lloyd973 Před 4 měsíci

      Yep

    • @NBC_NCO
      @NBC_NCO Před 4 měsíci

      Agreed.

    • @Whosaids0
      @Whosaids0 Před 4 měsíci +3

      The sarcasm is kinda like watching tree sap cover a mosquito that will later be exhumed for the DNA used to develop a t-rex.

    • @paulfisher8700
      @paulfisher8700 Před 4 měsíci

      This is Moat Happel level of sarcasm.

  • @deegan727
    @deegan727 Před 4 měsíci +155

    It won’t cost Holley anything to have one of their programmers that are already being paid to fix it. Then for nothing their product expanded. Hopefully Holley sees this and understands that this video is getting out to some potential customers. I understand the 4200 market would be a drop in the bucket and they don’t care, but for every person that goes to another brand when doing a 4200 build Holley loses a few grand for something they can fix with a few minutes on a keyboard. If I was on board I wouldn’t like hearing about losing money over an extremely cheap fix.

    • @TheGorf
      @TheGorf Před 4 měsíci +13

      Those of us in the efi scene have fought Holley for years over their crappy EFI systems. The laundry list of stupid things they do in their systems is long. Look no further than the garbage they shovel on to the market in the form of the Sniper. Get serious, get into the nuts and bolts. I will never go back to anything other than Megasquirt.

    • @AWD_DSM_FTW
      @AWD_DSM_FTW Před 4 měsíci +7

      @@TheGorfMS isn’t my cup of tea, but you’re right. Watching this video while having a Haltech in the garage made me happy I made the right decision.

    • @bearsstuff
      @bearsstuff Před 4 měsíci +3

      @@AWD_DSM_FTWI'm replacing all my Holley EFI with Haltechs. The R3 and R5 is too enticing.

    • @Saltyoldguy-
      @Saltyoldguy- Před 4 měsíci +4

      Right. The profit margin is negligible, but the actual cost to add this in is so much lower that it's a no brainer.

    • @TurboVisBits
      @TurboVisBits Před 4 měsíci

      @@AWD_DSM_FTWHaltech has the same problem megasquirt does.. they built a product that has a "CANNED" set of uses.. if you want a truly flexible ECU that can do everything Emtron and Motec are the best options. Emtron has products more affordable than haltech too.

  • @michaelblacktree
    @michaelblacktree Před 4 měsíci +56

    The humor was on point! Well done. 👍

  • @Str8sixfan
    @Str8sixfan Před 4 měsíci +12

    You're the mad scientist the car world needs.

  • @kellythomas125
    @kellythomas125 Před 4 měsíci +44

    I can only imagine how frustrated you were to fine the trigger issue. To get that far down the road, only to findout the ECU is the issue.
    Welcome to modern engineering and lack of accurate documentation. I have been there. It sucks. GREAT VIDEO!!!!

  • @macanic21
    @macanic21 Před 4 měsíci +21

    Best video you've ever made. No excuse for this from Holley, just greed. Thankfully they are getting smashed on price now by competitors.

  • @kevinengland4042
    @kevinengland4042 Před 4 měsíci +26

    The mildy sarcastic side of calvin is quite entertaining!
    Its also sad that holley doesnt understand that adding the 7x pattern also opens the market for every gm efi v6 made before the onslaught of 58x cranks.

    • @seancollins9745
      @seancollins9745 Před 4 měsíci +2

      The factory ECU's for those engines are more than capable enough for the use cases you will encounter.

    • @eclipsegst9419
      @eclipsegst9419 Před 3 měsíci

      @@seancollins9745 That's probably true for most cases, but as Holley, if you have a piece of hardware, that can do more things with just a few lines of code added to the software, why not do it? It adds value and increases sales.

  • @CreeperCustomPaintball
    @CreeperCustomPaintball Před 4 měsíci +8

    I clicked on this video because boosted straight 6 in a Camaro. You're a legend, sir

  • @tuningwithstyx
    @tuningwithstyx Před 4 měsíci +21

    Would love to see Holley support more crank sensors like.... every other aftermarket ECU out there...

    • @victorthecarguy3126
      @victorthecarguy3126 Před 4 měsíci +5

      Makes sense to me, Holly must want everyone to use any other ECU out there.

  • @mrb2917
    @mrb2917 Před 4 měsíci +4

    As someone who works at a software company, here's my take on why Holley won't fix this. The Dominator software is more than likely written on some barely strung together code that was never intended to be as flexible as it already is. Fixes and patches are just barely holding it together. The dev that wrote it has long since left the company and any new devs they have hired since, want to start over with scalable code base written in a more modern language but that would take ages to develop and test. So Holley has the devs continue to patch the rusty old pile of code, and their support team offer 'workarounds', because people still buy it for their LS projects and that's all the Holley really needs to make money.

  • @fatbubba2097
    @fatbubba2097 Před 4 měsíci +21

    I may be a v8 guy at heart, but I love the idea of this project! Amazing video too!

  • @Superb_Owl80
    @Superb_Owl80 Před 4 měsíci +17

    LOL this is one of your best videos. Y’all will get there for sure. True pioneers 💪🏻

  • @dmack6043
    @dmack6043 Před 4 měsíci +6

    Hence the reason I sold my Dominator setup and bought a MaxxECU Pro for my turbo LS. The level of support and software capability is night and day.

  • @PetrucciIsKing
    @PetrucciIsKing Před 4 měsíci +2

    Absolutely great video! the Holley skit had me dieing lmao🤣

  • @theguy9234
    @theguy9234 Před 4 měsíci +16

    Always great info about the 4200. I want put one in my 300zxTT.

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  Před 4 měsíci +4

      Do it!!

    • @eclipsegst9419
      @eclipsegst9419 Před 3 měsíci

      Do you have the length in that engine bay? I mean anything is possible but i knew a guy with one of those and i don't recall there being 6cyl in a row worth of length there, it was designed with a short and low nose to look like a Lotus or Lambo of that era. The Ford 3.5 Ecoboost might be a better choice. Or if you want GM LF3 or LF4 TT V6 from a Cadillac, but those are pricey and Ecoboosts are in tons of junkyard F150s. That all said your VG30 is not a bad engine by any means. Best Nissan for a 4200 imho would be a Skyline, like the base model that normal people can afford not a GTR.

  • @witcher71
    @witcher71 Před 4 měsíci +20

    Come awn Holley! Don't suck anymore. Here's your chance!

  • @Bad_Idea_Mike
    @Bad_Idea_Mike Před 4 měsíci +46

    Can I introduce you to the wonderful world of Haltech?!?!

    • @justion337
      @justion337 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Hopefully the Rebel LS ECU will get a lot more people to leave the Holley world and enter the wide world of much better ECUs.

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  Před 4 měsíci +11

      I have a plan, but I'd much sooner go with Maxxecu. Much more powerful.

    • @wvision1433
      @wvision1433 Před 4 měsíci +5

      fueltech>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    • @Bad_Idea_Mike
      @Bad_Idea_Mike Před 4 měsíci

      @@Calvin-Nelson really! You might need to do a video explaining that one. I'd watch it.

    • @fast240sx
      @fast240sx Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@Calvin-Nelsonwe sell many many maxx. Great ecu. Emtron is also a wicked choice if you wanna spend a bit more and get a whooooole lot more.

  • @jamesfogartysr2156
    @jamesfogartysr2156 Před 4 měsíci +7

    I allmost fell out of my chair THAT WAS FUNNY.GREAT VIDEO.

  • @AraCarrano
    @AraCarrano Před 4 měsíci +8

    Love when the Erik Satie composition is used

  • @2muchspl
    @2muchspl Před 4 měsíci +3

    Ive sent this video to all my car guys, this was truly brilliant and hilarious. Its amazing how companies say 'we dont want to expand'... The 80/20 principle has ruined so many great businesses. Every dollar is a good dollar.

  • @BeyondEllisBeck
    @BeyondEllisBeck Před 4 měsíci +2

    7:52 Hold on...do I hear Gymnopedie/Gogo no Nemuri? I wasn't expecting that at all.

  • @Twofrogsonecup
    @Twofrogsonecup Před 4 měsíci +1

    the fact that this engine is so unknown and that it was shoved into trailblazers proves that its a gem. the Chevy barra

  • @jeremiahjohnson3018
    @jeremiahjohnson3018 Před 4 měsíci +7

    This is approaching Ronald Finger levels of lore and editing. I love it.

  • @davidpawson7393
    @davidpawson7393 Před 4 měsíci +7

    This is part of why my disdain for woodgrain in the 80s is now something I find cool because I know I can fix it like my washer, dryer, refrigerator, dehumidifier and window AC for example. I do regret not taking electronics and computer courses but I recently bought a welder and have an excellent teacher which opened up a whole new world of things I can fix, make or modify. I'm also a huge fan of straight 6 engines especially with a big ass turbo so I will not be going anywhere other than the beer store. Come on Holley, don't forget your roots.

  • @KarelBeelaertsvanBlokland
    @KarelBeelaertsvanBlokland Před 4 měsíci +3

    WOW, your perseverance is unmatched! Well done

  • @hendo337
    @hendo337 Před 4 měsíci +3

    An extra cool thing about this is that the Camaro 5 is a Zeta platform, which means if the 4200 fits and works in it, the same should be true about swapping a G8, Caprice PPV or SS sedan of the VE, WM or VF series, the best candidates are the unloved V6 G8s and PPVs that go really cheap or a V8 car that was canniballized for it's V8 and is still in decent shape, all that would he different would be the length of the drive shaft and the exhaust is slightly longer and axle back bends are slightly different, even though you would probably just have a big single exhaust if it's single turbo. I wanted to use something like Holley if I swapped my 2004 GTO, so this is excellent you are cracking this, the only pain in the azz now will be adapting the bell housing to the T-56 and making the flywheel, clutch and everything work. Great stuff, I watch all you videos, this channel is criminally underrated. Even your LS/LT V8 info is priceless, rather than doing the LQ4 I have in my yard under a tarp, I was considering building an L8T 6.6L short block and buying a cheap L83/L84 to cannibalize for the heads, intake and anything I didn't use new or improved parts for if a 4200 isn't in the cards. It's a shame an L8T is not going to be a junkyard find and the bare blocks are so expensive, when they first came out I saw them for like $1000 new, now they are $2300, about the same price as an LS3 block, a 6.2/6.4 Hemi block is like $1800-2000 and a 6.8/7.3 Godzilla block is $995, which made me wonder how much it would cost me to buy everything and assemble a 7.3 Godzilla then either buy a Ford Modular bolt pattern T-56 or adapt to my existing T-56, at least it wouldn't require an expensive 10speed auto or a built 4R70W that has the ability to be tuned with a Holley. A Godzilla or an L8T would definitely be just as exciting as a 4200 in a GTO.

  • @JeepTJay6
    @JeepTJay6 Před 4 měsíci +3

    I’m a Jeep guy and I don’t know the first thing about race engines. That said, this was awesome.

  • @WRIGHT-GARAGE
    @WRIGHT-GARAGE Před 4 měsíci +1

    the way you said fuel rails in the tangent... feheul Rhails had me on the floor.

  • @frederickjeremy
    @frederickjeremy Před 4 měsíci +1

    My wife is home driving my 05 blazer with a 4200 with 300,000 on the clock while her newer less used ride is in the shop. I am a fan of this little engine. I can see why you enjoy hopping them up. I’m mostly happy with stock these days. I get excited when something fires up and runs as it should these days. Especially if it really shouldn’t. That poor blazer was used and abused by a couple of its owners before I got it. It has had every excuse to quit, but refuses. I think I can get another 100,000 out of it.

  • @metalfarmer9286
    @metalfarmer9286 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Love it. Some people just cannot see the entire picture. They work on their part of the whole, and rock at their part, but not so much on other parts. Common sense to a systems thinker is not so common to others.

  • @tri00azerath
    @tri00azerath Před 4 měsíci +2

    What a good couple of chuckles mixed with good info. Keep em comin!

  • @chriss-ng9mk
    @chriss-ng9mk Před 4 měsíci +17

    Hilarious editing man! Love it!

  • @Retrocomputernerd
    @Retrocomputernerd Před 4 měsíci +1

    This is awesome in so many ways 😂
    Great callout

  • @boostbogan
    @boostbogan Před 4 měsíci +1

    Damn, editing and comedy is on another level in this one! love your work mate

  • @beauvrt
    @beauvrt Před 4 měsíci +3

    This is currently one of the most exciting and favorite builds on CZcams.
    Hell, yeah dude, been waiting for you to do another build, you have a niche man. Keep going brother, love the channel and the content...

  • @PullStartStables
    @PullStartStables Před 4 měsíci +1

    Thank you for all these explanations, VVT promotions and awesome content in general!

  • @BuildaMan
    @BuildaMan Před 4 měsíci

    This is by far the best funniest video i have seen from you guys. I love it

  • @steveyoutube1709
    @steveyoutube1709 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Outstanding troubleshooting explanation
    Happily subscribed

  • @jcooper702
    @jcooper702 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Wow! A very informative and extremely frustrating video to watch. You gave Holley a proper (and respectful) roasting!

  • @cb84capri
    @cb84capri Před 4 měsíci +2

    I'm like, gonna call Holley and tell them i'm rizzing bro!

  • @americanfreedom6417
    @americanfreedom6417 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Great stuff and approve of CZcams / Google feeding me this. Imagine all I did was look up Holy efi and then like magic over the next few weeks I get everything relating to Holy. Blows my mind man

  • @Jbomb-ep4jr
    @Jbomb-ep4jr Před 4 měsíci +1

    Some of the best content on CZcams!

  • @fetusness
    @fetusness Před 2 měsíci

    Such good info on this channel- really appreciate you brother 🫡

  • @mattbaygents6508
    @mattbaygents6508 Před měsícem

    Great video! Recently joined the fb group too. Hopefully Holley gets with the program as I already have a dominator and Im wanting to use it on my swap!

  • @madmodsgarage1179
    @madmodsgarage1179 Před 4 měsíci +2

    I'm totally NOT living in the "Holley market area" so it doesn't matter that much to me but duuuude, that was a GREAT VIDEO and I totally get and feel your confusion and anger that they don't allow this to work! It seems so obvious to me that every ECU lets you choose whichever edge of the signal and same time so stupid not to put it in the software... damn you Holley! ;)

  • @cmattdabrat
    @cmattdabrat Před 4 měsíci +2

    Hahah, loved the comedy in this one. You always have some cool content but was awesome seeing a different side of you. I can hear the academy calling.

  • @kmaclub143
    @kmaclub143 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Saw y'all at Bradenton sick week keep up the great work.

  • @BuiltByLondonRacing
    @BuiltByLondonRacing Před 4 měsíci +1

    It was the you capping for me 🤣🤦🏾‍♂️

  • @user-tr7us4zc5p
    @user-tr7us4zc5p Před 4 měsíci +1

    Awesome video my friend. Your knowledge leaves me with no doubt you'll figure out your equations 😅

  • @williamlinder6418
    @williamlinder6418 Před 3 měsíci

    Beautiful content brother hyped up to see the next vid more knowledge the better

  • @jimskatr103
    @jimskatr103 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Every time this guy post I wanna rip my 240k mile trailblazer apart

  • @jb6222
    @jb6222 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I really enjoyed this video. Thanks for all the info.

  • @Jazz3006
    @Jazz3006 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Sounds like a great time to move on to a new ECU supplier that actually allows for the flexibility you'd expect with a standalone, not just the bog standard cookie-cutter LS engines.

  • @snivesz32
    @snivesz32 Před 4 měsíci +1

    The best way to get them to do something is to market the virtues of a competitors superior product.

  • @n3lee
    @n3lee Před 4 měsíci +1

    I see you took the high road on this one; and I appreciate it ;)

  • @winstonpratt604
    @winstonpratt604 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Such an informative video bro 💯 with No sarcasm lost here 🤣🤣

  • @ryanm3749
    @ryanm3749 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Shots fired!

  • @BigPermGarage
    @BigPermGarage Před 4 měsíci +1

    Slowly but surely more people will realize the benefits of keeping VVT.
    Im sure you know about it but Fueltech can handle multiple Variable cams. You are free to pretty much set it to read any number/position/type of teeth. They also have a tooth decoder which works well.
    Be sure to use hall effect though, dont go through what I did trying to use the stock VR sensors.

  • @Bajahaha70
    @Bajahaha70 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Thank for doing what you do!

  • @HomeMadePowa
    @HomeMadePowa Před 4 měsíci +2

    LOVE THE FLEXIBLE FUEL LINES

  • @user-ek3iq9pf4q
    @user-ek3iq9pf4q Před 4 měsíci +2

    A good release. Keep up the good work.

  • @vcalv9354
    @vcalv9354 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Your channel has me strongly considering dropping a 4200 into my 84 cutlass surpreme instead of like a lq9 and this answers my ecu questions aha.

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  Před 4 měsíci +2

      Hopefully we can get them to fix it. Holley support would be a game changer.

  • @jclaybaugh2
    @jclaybaugh2 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Amazing editing!

  • @garrettchapman8170
    @garrettchapman8170 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Brother just discovered you..
    And instantly subbed..
    Your gonna be huge bro..
    Keep at it.❤❤❤❤❤

  • @stoker20
    @stoker20 Před 4 měsíci +2

    I'm surprised you're not getting some sponsorships on parts and such. Holly's image isn't what it used to be. I hope to see the Camaro running like you want it very soon. Keep up the great work!

  • @ericbengtson3490
    @ericbengtson3490 Před 4 měsíci +1

    That was a classic. Thanks Calvin 😊

  • @StreetLethalRacing
    @StreetLethalRacing Před 4 měsíci +3

    We normally use HP Tuners for tuning the Atlas 4.2 Vortec engine. Almost positive Jeremy over on the Faster Proms channel dyno tuned one recently as well…

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  Před 4 měsíci +1

      Yep. I was talking to him on the phone just before they Dyno'd that one. Cool guy

  • @hewhohugs
    @hewhohugs Před 4 měsíci +2

    AMAZING! I love it. Keep it up!

  • @philbetthauser9547
    @philbetthauser9547 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Great video !

  • @crazyjon1tire854
    @crazyjon1tire854 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Gotta love big business with tiny brains🤦‍♂️. Hopefully they see this video and feel foolish for not finding it themselves and then fix it. Absolutely loved the video!

  • @GMCJay_lly
    @GMCJay_lly Před 4 měsíci +1

    Commenting for support!!

  • @paulmaigler289
    @paulmaigler289 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Holley seems to be more worried about bean counting nowadays, it is a shame because they have good products but like you said, doesn’t mean they can’t be better!!!

  • @WhiteManXRP
    @WhiteManXRP Před 4 měsíci +4

    The channel name should be
    GROUND BREAKERS

  • @justinrichard6837
    @justinrichard6837 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Love the video and thank you for the information.

  • @screaminlead
    @screaminlead Před 4 měsíci

    Thanks for saving me a bunch of time. Betteridge's law of headlines says that any headline ending with a question mark can always be answered with No.

  • @maxxlr8tion578
    @maxxlr8tion578 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Looking forward to this one for sure.

  • @jimlathrop8603
    @jimlathrop8603 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Well done!!!

  • @kartnerds
    @kartnerds Před 4 měsíci +1

    I keep checking this channel cause I want to see this come to life. Clickity click over and over like a crackhead

  • @FuelInjectionSucks
    @FuelInjectionSucks Před 4 měsíci +2

    Glad to see you've snapped since the last video.

  • @ALR74
    @ALR74 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I think this should be titled the Holly SNAFU 😂 Great video!!

  • @MotorSwapDan
    @MotorSwapDan Před 4 měsíci +1

    Excellent video

  • @jacobmoses3712
    @jacobmoses3712 Před 4 měsíci +2

    If the Holley won't, a Haltech will

  • @ZEPRATGERNODT
    @ZEPRATGERNODT Před 4 měsíci +5

    Well done!

  • @BoostedCajun
    @BoostedCajun Před 4 měsíci +3

    FuelTech would surely help you. Haltech likely would too. Love this video!

  • @joshbagby3784
    @joshbagby3784 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I'm loving it dude😂

  • @MrDynoking
    @MrDynoking Před 4 měsíci +3

    Got Haltech it will do everything you need for that motor

  • @GarageItYourself
    @GarageItYourself Před 4 měsíci +1

    I find Holley funny as they really only bother with the US market and not the rest of the world plus they go with what's popular instead of having truly modular ECU's like Link, Haltech, Motech, heck even the Speeduino. Even the Sniper can be problematic for dizzy triggering.
    Having to using an industrial trigger sensor instead of a factory hall effect or VR sensor is just one of the crazy things Holley do.
    If only the firmware and software could be hacked :)

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  Před 4 měsíci +1

      Yeah. Holley is really good with what they support, and you can do a lot with them, but they lack few things that would make life a lot cooler and easier. We'll make it work.

  • @BoostedCyclePerformance
    @BoostedCyclePerformance Před 4 měsíci +1

    Fucking. Brilliant. I highly approve this level of mockery. Coding isn’t something I’ve leaned to do YET. But hot rodders will always find a way to outsmart the engineers at their own game.

  • @steventurner476
    @steventurner476 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Duuuuude this is friggin hilarious 😂😂😂😂

  • @LordTheodore04
    @LordTheodore04 Před 4 měsíci +1

    great video

  • @eloos74
    @eloos74 Před 4 měsíci

    Awesome job

  • @jp2246
    @jp2246 Před 4 měsíci

    Good stuff!

  • @Nefariousrouge
    @Nefariousrouge Před 4 měsíci +1

    Too bad you didn’t start this project 6 months ago. You could have marched to their booth at SEMA and dropped a WTF on them. Nice video!

  • @stormtropper88
    @stormtropper88 Před 4 měsíci +1

    This is a interesting build I like it

  • @WhiteManXRP
    @WhiteManXRP Před 4 měsíci +2

    Nothing like a good solid, HINT😂😂

  • @LuntzelMods
    @LuntzelMods Před 4 měsíci +1

    This is why I use FOME open source standalone. You want to do it? Sure? Leading or trailing edge on cam sensors? Easy peasy.

  • @SkinnyPedalMotorsports
    @SkinnyPedalMotorsports Před 4 měsíci

    This was golden

  • @FastSheetGarage
    @FastSheetGarage Před 4 měsíci +2

    Welp,……that definitely answers some questions on what ECU I’m looking for for my build……damnit.

    • @Nikko780
      @Nikko780 Před 4 měsíci +3

      ECUmaster, Fueltech, Haltech, Motec, Maxxecu, etc..... can do this stuff for the same or less than a Holley setup. Holley is (and always was) the fuel system for people that want "good enough kind of" without having to think too hard.

  • @cookedmarbles4888
    @cookedmarbles4888 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I've loved your series so far! I want to supe up my GMC envoy, but my current weakness is tuning. Could you maybe do a video looking over some different tunes you've ran for the engines?

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  Před 4 měsíci

      I actually did a video a while back on tuning. It didn't perform very well, but maybe you could get some use out of it. czcams.com/video/S0f7jPtlhzY/video.htmlsi=W_eqByELba39nEAn

  • @mechanicalking
    @mechanicalking Před 4 měsíci +1

    I loved the comedy part