The Everest Discrepancy
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Contents:
0:00 First!
0:56 Everest
5:40 1922
7:15 1924
14:44 The Summit Question
20:10 Finding George Mallory
23:04 Theories
28:10 The Human Frontier
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No thank u
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The 20s were fucking wild. People literally were like "what should I wear to climb a mountain that you can literally not breath at the top and is perpetually snowed over?" A sports jacket and oxfords. Don't forget your tie.
you forgot the 2 bottles of scotch
@@aoe9015 don't even have to put it on the rocks, you can get it straight from the mountain 👌🏾
Edit: Make that 3 bottles of scotch. Amigos always comes in 3s
Don’t forget your hat!
The current 20's are also quite wild. Dissimilar maybe, but nonetheless wild.
i aspire to be this spontaneous in everyday life
What's interesting is that Everest is still growing, by a few centimeters a year. It's the result of an entire tectonic plate being forced up. The first person to climb everest may have done it first, but the last person to climb it will have climbed the highest.
It is interesting, ain’t it? Fucking beautiful all around man.
But the last person would have definitely had an easier time getting to the top of Mt. Everest than the first due to a more consistent route and better-equipped technology.
Well if it’s just a few centimeters each year, I feel like if I just jump pretty high at the top, I’d have the record for a while
@@BS-cz6tw You... don't believe in tectonic plates?
@@BS-cz6tw wait what? So what are earthquakes?
Cards on the table - I would love that Mallory and Irving DID summit. However, Edmund Hilary put it well when he said (I paraphrase) "Surely a key attribute of a successful summit attempt is to return alive".
Couldn’t have said it better if I tried, very well put. I couldn’t quite think of the right words, but you’ve nailed it on the head there.
Same. You gotta survive it to be first (also summoning is only half the work. Sometimes Less, since it’s often more difficult going down the mountain.)
Even still, there’s just no way that Mallory could have ascended to the summit and ended up at the place he died, something that wasn’t discussed. Based on their time schedule and the storm, there’s absolutely no way they could have made it down there.
They definitely made it but that storm prolly hit -100 degrees they went in a cave and never left .
@@TheHeadincharge Actually I find it just the opposite. If they simply turned around near the first step they had eons of time and no obstacles to overcome to return to high camp. The fact they died and Mallory was found where he was with no snow goggles suggests he was descending very late and it was either exhaustion or lack of light that caused the fall.
Mallory after condeming 7 people to death: "I have made a severe, and continuous, lapse in my judgement,"
@@sg-yq8pm except the sherpas literally didn’t have the option of saying no
At least Mallory did not laugh at their corpses.
Living for the Logan Paul reference 💀
@@sg-yq8pm ops post is a meme and u reply 3 months later saying "achhktuallyyyy these slaves had a choice"
@@sch1zocentraldamn I wish I could of seen those horrendous comments:(
I “love” how the sherpas always get overlooked as if they’re not doing the same thing, or as if they’re just animals that are carrying supplies.
Does your hotel staff get acknowledgements after every vacation?
They are paid to do the job. Brave, hard work but they are paid.
And Norgay very much got credit.
even in this video they only get mentioned as pack mules lol
Love how Mallory got a bunch of them killed and it wad barely a footnote in the video
@@andrewcapra7153 RIGHT
@@JayR-wg9jq Because back then that is what they were. Today the Nepalese organize and embark on important climbs themselves (for example the first ever winter summit of K2 in 2021), but back then they did not. The European will was the driving factor in conquering Everest and the Nepalese back then were just hired hands along for the ride.
Dude, George Mallory II climbed Everest and walked past his own dead grandpa's frozen body without even knowing it, shit.
He probably suspected or assumed it, but spooky nonetheless.
Why would he not know it
@@lossnt557 He knew his body was likely there, I think the original comment's point was he could've literally walked right past his corpse without noticing.
@@mannmctrash ohh, yeah my bad i guess that is probably what he meant
@@mannmctrash Yeah that's what I meant, thanks.
I knew Ed personally, I asked him "if Mallory was the first to climb Everest" how would you feel?. He said "if he was the first, I would be happy for history to be re-writen".
This is a fantastic insight! May I ask how you knew Him?
Hilary would still have been the first to summit and successfully return, so he would still have a milestone to be remembered for.
But then Hillary Clinton would have to change her name to Mallory Clinton.
He’d still be the first person who got to the peak AND came back alive!
@@StudioHannah Which is honestly the only way it should be counted. Any dipshit can make a break for the peak with minimal preparation just to be the first one to reach it with no intention of coming back alive. If you die in the attempt, it's a failure no matter what. We could have launched people into space free willy or rocket them directly into the moon with no intention of bringing them home much more quickly and easily than trying to bring them back alive. If Neil and Buzz died in the attempt, sure they might have been "first" but it would still be considered a failed attempt and disaster.
As a person who’s summited two mountains(I.e. Kings mountain and an attempt on St. Hellens) that summit fever is no joke. There were times while climbing where my entire thought process was on that single point. When I was trying to summit St. Hellens suffering from Oxygen sickness and blisters all over my feet from the shoes that weren’t properly fitted to my feet, I still wanted to get to the top more than anything. It was only until I was falling over several times and struggling to get off my knees about 2,000 feet from the summit when my guide pulled me aside and asked if I thought I was well enough to this. I almost answered yes in spite of my current problems and my drive to get to the top but begrudgingly answered no(not towards my guide but towards my inability to summit the mountain). So glad I did though, and plan to summit that mountain someday.
I know this isn’t nearly what the guys on Everest are dealing with but thought I would put into perspective how alluring the top of a mountain can be and how I sorta understand what was going through Mallory’s head when wanting get to the top.
Some divers were talking about oxygen deprivation effects at certain depths and how you had to train to deal with it. Its like at a certain point, you lose flexibility in your thoughts and simple novel solutions become impossible to think of, so people fall back on training they are already familiar with, even if its not the best option. Perhaps this is why "get to the top of the mountain" becomes the only thought climbers can think after oxygen deprivation sets in.
You needed a guide for Mount St Helens?
@hankhohn5017
You know you can get a giude even for relatively "small" mountains? It's especially a good idea when you know you're not experienced enough to go alone
When I was a teenager in the early 2000s I provided care services for an elderly man who was a Mallory theorist. He was around 12 when Mallory’s final ascent happened. He had all sorts of information on Mallory, and it was fascinating. But he always said “Mallory may have reached the summit first, but Hillary was the first to reach the summit and return, so he deserves the accolades”. He was clear that his obsession with Mallory was because he saw something inspirational and tragic in Mallory’s own obsession with summiting Everest, not to take away from Hillary.
Actually I disagree with him, Mallory should deserve the accolades.
@@PointNemo9 Why? Regardless of whether Mallory made it to the top, he didn’t make it back. Hillary summited and returned. In my mind, there’s too much debate to hand accolades to a dead man.
@alexanderthegreat1270 I mean if it was somehow proven that Mallory did indeed summit then he would deserve the credit of being the first man to summit Everest.
@@alexanderthegreat1270 I agree with you
@@alexanderthegreat1270 I think of it like the Victoria Cross and Medal of Honor. Most people die in the act of earning those awards. But they dont discount them because of that
7:54
Mallory: "Oxygen is a necessity to reach the summit"
Also Mallory: smoking a fat cigar immediately before attempting to climb the mountain
well, the doctors said its healthy
Rinehold Messner "what oxygen?"
You don't inhale cigar smoke mate
@@dogguy8603 it’s what people use in their lungs who’s ego isn’t big enough to fill them up. Not looking at anyone named Reinhold in particular…
@@sandwichboy1268 well, you're not supposed to anyways lol
Thanks for the interesting story! The Sherpas definitely deserve the credit too.
karl youre the best
May the 7 buried alive be journeying well.
8300 Sherpas. Probably more. Are registered to have climbed to the Summit of Everest.
They literally keep most mountaineers alive
@traceywoodbridge3396 1856 Nepalese have reached the summit! The most of everyone! But definitely not 8k!
The fact that Irvine had the camera in the end is enough proof for me. I’d put money on the idea that Mallory handed it to him at the summit and told him to take a picture to document Mallory’s successful summit. The proof is with Irvine, wherever he is.
Imagine if someday, somehow someone finds the body and the camera, and we have the footage, the whole history will be re-written, going to cause hella turbulence in mountaineering world
You think Irvine held onto the camera after falling a thousand meters? The idea that Mallory handed it to him seems far fetched as opposed to the idea that he lost it after the fact that he fell off the mountain
Didn’t the Chinese recover the camera but claim the film was gone? I think they almost certainly destroyed the film once it showed they had summited because it would rob China of being the first to make it that route.
There is strong evidence to suggest the Chinese removed the camera and the body. Given it has a huge political impact on the North Face
@@munnjeanlmao why would anyone put money on it? Dumb comment
It's astounding to me that climbing this thing means you are literally in a race against your own death.
Compared to other mountains in the area, Everest is relatively easy. Especially with all the infrastructure in place now. On Annapurna, one in three climbers dies in the process.
That's the historical rate, but over the last 20 years the fatality rate on Annapurna has gone well down. Partly because there's more info on where not to go on the mountain no matter how tempting it might be.
If you think about it, that's just life.
Like is it even worth it lol? I know everybody who's climbed it thinks so, but we can't even ask the people who died along he way :/
@@Yora21 you got it wrong, I think it's the stat for deaths Vs successful summits. So one person dies for every three that reach the summit and get back down healthy again
Just want to point out that Edmund Hillary AND Tenzing Norgay were jointly the first ones to climb Mount Everest. It is important to mention this as Tenzing is so often overlooked.
was looking for that comment. its so sad to see that non-western climbers still barely get recognized
@@margueriteshadowsea6568 Dunno. It was always mentioned here in hungary as Hillary and Tenzing.
@@margueriteshadowsea6568 I was actually taught that Tenzig was the first to physically reach the top but Hillary got the credit for organizing the expedition, and that was in an American school.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 yeah same here in New Zealand he was not overlooked at all but guess that's just from our perspective
Neither Hillary nor Norway ever revealed which one was first.
Respect to Edward
Norton for being able to return from Everest and continuing his acting career
We don't talk about Everest club
Wrong ed norton
Another interesting tidbit: Mt. Rainier, which is often seen as a preparation mountain for people who wish to climb Everest, was actually first summitted right after the American Civil War by veterans of that same war, similar to how George Mallory was a WWI veteran.
Wow I live right next to Mt Rainier! Didn’t know that.
Mallory and Irving's last sighting being for a few minutes as the clouds were parting is kinda beautiful in a way
I kinda want the evidence to point to them reaching the summit
my question is even if they had been able to make it passed the 3rd step, could they have reached the summit in dense fog/cloud cover.
I like to believe that at least one of them made it. It would be sweet to remember them being victorious in death rather than one of the many lives taken while hoping to conquer the mountain
@@squawmous This could be a good idea for a potential movie, called something like "Grory in the mist" which romanticises the first failed expedition, and the final moments of George Mallory on the top of the summit, accompanied with dramatic music, with the clouds breaking, unraveling the sun, for him to briefly announce his victory to the heavens, before dropping unconciouis into the valley below, dissapearing beyond the mist.
@@xeraphyx7903 With James Cagney playing Mallory...
I think it's absolutely crazy that Mallory's body was finally discovered after being missing for 75 years.
If this interests you, you should look into Otzi the ice man. If memory serves me right, he was found preserved in ice with tools and clothing. Really interesting stuff.
@@Trippsy05 really crazy to think that woolly mammoths were still around at the time of otzis death
@B O ꓭ You should know the risks of the comment section before finishing the video bro.
@B O ꓭ u can just google his name, and the fact that this has been public information for like 20+ years now
@B O ꓭ why the fuck are you reading comments while watching and not expecting “spoilers”
There's only one event I can think of that would've compelled Mallory to stop and give Irvine the camera.
what are you implying
@@deleetiusproductions3497Yeah, because now I’m interested.
He is implying he gave the camera to Irvine, so he can take a picture of Mallory posing at the summit
dying?
Yea if Mallory made summit and wanted photo taken
I like to think Mallory did make it and died on the descent. While he did make mistakes, he did also go through a lot to be the first and it's nice to imagine he was, even if we'll likely never know.
They definitely did but when it hit -100 on the way down with wind no one will survive
@BB-xx3dvi thought I saw in a documentary that another tank was found just below the summit?
this reminded me a lot of the race for the south pole in 1911/12, Amundsen vs Scott. after months of hard trekking over the antarctic tundra, Scott reached the pole, only to find a note left by Amundsen dated to reflect that they were about a month too late. Scott and his party died on the trek back, and Scott himself managed to maintain a journal up until his final moments.
a chilling and cosmically tragic story.. ngl i'm interested in how Emp would tell it.
im unfamiliar with this story, did amundsen die as well?
@@cazred7882 Amundsen and his party were fine, but Scott's whole expedition was wiped-out. Only a few weeks shy of each other... Another lil factoid, Amundsen was originally planning an expedition to the North Pole, but re-routed his plans towards the South Pole after learning Robert Edwin Peary's team was on-track to reach the NP first. This lead to him effectively hijacking Scott's window of opportunity/ glory to reach the SP and turning it into a race of sorts.
@@EthanWithACrowbar ...and the irony of Amundsen's change of heart is that Peary fabricated his successful reaching of the North Pole. A good book on this is "Great Polar Fraud: Cook, Peary, and Byrd: How Three American Heroes Duped the World into Thinking They Had Reached the North Pole" by Anthony Galvin. Heck of a title, heck of a book.
@@cazred7882 amunsden was well prepared, we wore furs and brought huskies, to deal with the cold. he knew hoe to deal with the climate there better due to spending time with people living in colder places to study how they dealt with the cold.
Scott went in woollen outfits, with horses, believing that the tight stitches would be sufficient to keep the cold out. sure, that works in British fishing boats around the coast, but not in the Antarctic. but Scott was a bit stupidly proud of being British. and his horses, unable to deal with the cold, died along the way.
@@Robutube1
Hang on, the idea is that they outright faked having reached the North Pole? I mean, I’ve heard that they thought they had reached the ultimate point but were off by a few degrees; not that they knowingly lied?
(Edit: I’m referring primarily to Byrd and Peary)
As long as the camera wasn’t broken open by the environment, the extreme cold and dryness of the mountain would actually make the film last longer.
That was my thought, too. Heat and moisture make things degrade, both of which are notably absent anywhere near Everest.
But also sun's radiation is stronger there
as long as you dont burn, being submerged in lava is actually quite warm
Time travels faster at altitude.
@@Cromwellbear333 time also travels slower near something with a big mass and everest has a big mass
It would've been sick to see Emp cover a bit more the incredible and vital contribution that the Sherpas brought to these attempts. They were every bit as amazing humans as the climbers who hired them, yet often throughout history they're literally thought of as tools.
Well they are naturally more accustomed to the higher altitudes. And I don't know tools and knowledge of such a hike they had. From what I know, it wouldn't be fair to say they were as amazing.
@@hrthrhs People born near Everest aren’t naturally granted superhuman abilities in mountain climbing. It certainly didn’t grant them some kind of gift to haul mountain climbing equipment for teams of climbers. I don’t know what could possibly influence you to want to diminish the work of these people.
They were pack mules
@@darthfastball1150 it does to a an extent. They have a huge genetic advantage when dealing with altitude, doesn't mean they should be considered as tools though of course.
Probably had to do with the fact that Irwin and Mallory didnt climb Everest with a sherpa.
Mallory was actually overestimated in terms of how good of a climber he was because they failed to account for the weight of his enormous balls.
underestimated
Weren’t his balls carried by porters?
Fun fact about Mount Everest: When the first measurements of Mount Everest were taken by British surveyors, they found that Everest was exactly 29,000 feet tall. They were concerned that no one would believe that the highest mountain in the world would be such a round number, so they added 2 extra feet. And for decades after, it was taught that Mount Everest was 29,002 feet tall
Yup, they were the first to put their two feet on Everest.
It’s also kinda funny how the mountain is actually growing millimetre by millimetre every few years cause of the tectonic places below it pushing magma upwards.
@@pian-0g445 unconfirmed. There seems several theories
Is there Biblical significance to the number 29 🤔
@@pian-0g445 SCP
I legit think you have a dartboard of random shit, and you just make videos based on where the dart lands and it's somehow always interesting
Scam Daddy. Love your vids. Because of you I started reading manga and not just watching the anime. Thanks broski
@@koreyjeffers6963 imagine thinking either is a good thing dawg go touch grass
@@brosisjk3993 so you do a lot of reading yourself? Or do you just make fun of other people for reading books they like?
This was a nice thread before you decided to attack the only people present
@@thisaccountisntreal107 nah i just think its cringe cause its anime/manga. normal books are dope
@@thisaccountisntreal107 ur right tho i was kinda outta pocket my bad
Mallory gets plus 5 to his climbing skill for the time period he was in. These modern scales are all well and good but there were some big technological differences
I agree
I only thought I liked Edward Norton in rounders but to hear about his expeditions from before he was even born truly shows his range as an actor
i had to scroll way too fucking long to find an edward norton comment
I half expected you to actually be at Iron Mountain in lakes wales FL, which is the highest point in Florida.
You were half right kkkkkk
Its huge though, its a staggering 345 feet
I grew up in SW Florida and we had one hill in my city. It was called Indian Hill because it was where the Calusa buried their dead long ago. Naturally people built million dollar homes on top of it, which is a poor decision if you've ever read any Stephen King books.
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@@jackrookes3547 this is the funniest reply i’ve ever read with my own two hands
Haven't watched it yet, but I've got a good feeling you'll be talking a lot about trash and corpses, Everest's main imports.
You can even pay the locals to kiss each other, it's sickening.
cringe
Ay andrew
I was literally just watching you.... Huh
My two favorite things
The fact that Mallory and his guys set the first record at a little over 8250 without oxygen and the guys that broke it only going about 115 meters further shows the sheer will of four men. For 300 meters they said we don't need oxygen
These videos always give me such, a atmosphere that makes me fully interested in the video. Even when its a 30 minute to an hour, it goes by so quick and i felt like ive heard and seen so much but learned nothing. I feel great while I watch these videos. Its like every jumble of anxiety and hatred leaves my body for that timespan of the video. Thank you EmpLemon, I wish and hope to see more.
Recently a Nepalese Soldier and expert climber Nirmal Purja managed to climb 14 of the 8000m + mountains of the world in 7 months and set a new world record. He climbed K2 which is the second highest mountain in the world in winter without supplimental oxygen. Talk about being a badass. He's getting a documentary in Netflix soon about the climbs. Made the whole country proud. What a lad!
Being Nepalese he has genetic advantages. I've heard before they have traits suited for high elevation.
His name is nimsdai? I think the documentary is out now
My bad it’s out 29 November
Jai Nepal
@A Shut up.
Due to the commercialization of Everest climbing, there's this popular mindset that climbing it is pretty easy. As this guy put it "Everest has become so foolproof that practically anyone in good health with $50,000 and a few weeks to spare can reach the top of the tallest mountain in the world."
It is not easy.
I haven't climbed it myself but I've been obsessing over it for the past month or so and watched enough documentaries to get a decent idea of what it's like. It is not easy. Not even close. And it certainly isn't foolproof. Many, many people have died to Everest, at least a few every year. Yes, even with the fixed rope.
Every person who has climbed it, from the rich with not much else to do with their time, to the most experienced mountaineers, to the sherpas themselves, have described it as one of the most grueling, intense, demanding, exhausting, and terrifying experiences of their lives. The lack of oxygen makes every step a battle, even with supplementary oxygen. The traffic on Everest has even made it tougher, because climbers are forced to stand still, wasting precious oxygen while simultaneously freezing to death.
Even the sherpas are scared for their lives every year they climb, and many fail to summit it in their first few attempts. Those who think they're in for easy bragging rights typically end up failing and turning back, forced to re-attempt it when they're actually physically and mentally prepared.
Never let the commercialization and popularization of Everest fool you into believing it's easy. It is easily one of the hardest and most dangerous things a human can do.
Yeah fuck Everest. They need to leave that shit alone for real. I talk shit about all the cheaters they've installed to ensure that people continue to summit, continue to pay. That does not mean I can do it. If they install a staircase running from base to summit, I couldn't do it 🤣
It's still dumb as fuck. Lol.
Lol it may be hard but it's still stupid how we commercialize everything
I've also heard somewhere that in some places the bodies of the climbers that died are still left there untouched. I'm sure that doesn't help make Everest any more welcoming
@@olzhas1one755 there are over 200 😮 the photos are quite haunting of some ,
Its dangerous to try stop and help someone never mind recover a body.
Some sad & shocking stories.
Seems many die of exhaustion on descent or altitude sickness.
Would love to be be at top looking out but not a challenge I would ever dream of.
Mr. Lemon sir, I have to say that your videos are spectacular. The editing, the writing, the way you weave together seemingly unrelated topics into a broader discussion. It's incredibly well-done, and anyone with eyes can see the amount of time and effort you put into each video. Thank you for making these videos, I can only hope that they bring you as much enjoyment as they do for those that watch them.
Stuff like this makes it even more incredible that Tibetans can live in places like the Tibetan plateau and sherpas just casually haul supplies between camps. Whether it’s conditioning from birth or genetic adaptation or both they’re just built different.
There's something to be said for doing a thing for a good chunk of your life. The human body, as fragile as it is, can adapt quite a bit over the years, even without genetic or cultural adaptations to help.
Not 100% sure if it's the same for these sherpas at the Everest, but I would imagine that it's the same situation as traditional communities that have lived at the Andes for centuries. They have been found to have greater lung capacity and a higher red blood cell count, making it so they can inhale more air with each breath, and also carry more oxygen to their cells with each of those breaths. I think I also heard that when these people move to live somewhere closer to sea level they eventually lose a bit of these adaptations, although probably not significant enough that they would end up with the characteristics of someone born there. So my guess is that they are born with this adaptation already in place, and then naturally if they continue to live there and they climb for a living, they may also gain some slight additional advantages.
@@semoremo9548never been a single bit of evidence towards "evolution" its always adaptation, you pretty much nailed it 👍
@@jakestablettableto9453 so over many generations people adapted to their environment and the more successful adapters were more likely to survive and thus carry offspring with similar adaptations?
@@badgoogle4509 tell yourself whatever you like, couldn't care less
“The Everest Discrepancy” sounds like a dang Hitman escalation
good evening agent 47. today we want you to climb mount everest,
@@thegreengribbler Hokkaido but it’s Everest
If they searched pockets for a camera, and had found rocks, we'd have heard of it. (Signed, "Wet Blanket, Excuse for Colombo".)
I was thinking an early 2000's emo band.
Or a Robert Ludlum novel.
Fascinating that Mallory’s body wasn’t found until 1999.
The mountain is huge. Irvine may have been spotted but his body hasn't been found yet.
They are going up there as quick as possible, and turning around. Not digging around looking what's under snow. The dead are actual landmarks
Mallory climbed up the north (Tibet) side. For many years, non-Chinese were not allowed on that side. Most ascents come up the south (Nepal) side.
He might just've thawed out by now. Why climb Everest? Because it's there! Respect.
In almost plain sight I guess...I have not climbed Everest but my wealthy uncle uncle years ago before it was an extreme tourist destination. He said it had many bodies(this was in the late 70s early 80s) at certain points. There was old air canisters and equipment. He said some equipment was quite nice but that he wasn't prepared to steal from the dead. Odd how circumstances effect how people react to the same things differently.
on the survivors guilt point, the folks that died on his previous attempt could have also effected him in a more direct way since they died because of 1 his decision making and 2 the mountain itself
25:53 because it so dry and cold it means that the film is preserved for longer. You can put film in the fridge or freezer to do the same thing. It's likely that if found, we can still develop the film.
When I was 10 I had an obsession with Everest purely because of how eerie and dangerous it was. I read 2 books on Mallory, never thought I’d hear someone speak about him, glad to see you did. May him and his team Rest In Peace.
Your name isn't Carter is it
@@ryan_d.v Luckily not lol, I’m female
You never thought someone would speak about Mallory?
Huh?
@@retrovi4128 I never thought a big CZcams channel would share his story.
@@starblinds was about to say, there was a kid I went to elementary with that I always remember had an intense obsession with My Everest
mt everest was the first strand type game
Damn rite
Your goddamn right
Genius Kojumbo strikes again
Shoulda used the moterbike to get to the summit
@@rachard Think I’m shadow banned I’m I ?
This might need revisited - Michael Tracy has some really interesting information on his channel that goes into further detail on things like the original plan, the watch found when they found the body, the letter to Mallory's wife that he wanted to leave on the summit (and how it wasn't found in his pockets) and much, much more.
I discovered his channel about a week ago and he's certain compelling.
His reference to source material is absolutely right. So many hypothesis are so loosely based on any contemporary evidence.
Michael addresses the subject from many angles and his is by far the best analysis.
I'd really like you see him and a few of the other 'experts' present their theories and evidence.
Many if your points have been discussed in more detail, and some with alternate conclusions, by Michael Tracy on his CZcams channel. I can’t recommend it enough
This was the first vid of Emps I watched, after watching every other vid and rewatching, it is even better. Why is he so good.
Plot twist:irvin made it to the top and was accepted by the gods for his courage and that's why we can't find him
Hey its good to see you here o/
Aha fuck sake I was thinking this same joke
He was the chosen one.
The cruel irony is Mallory's body was found 300 horizontal meters, about 1,000 feet, from camp VI, the last camp he and Irvine stayed at. And roughly the altitude and given the injuries he had, he didn't fall far, he likely wasn't more than an hour from camp VI when he fell.
I don’t think the camps would’ve been set up yet, he was the first after all
@@notjosh_dun8386 they had 6 camps established. 6th camp is what he is referring to , they started the climb from there and was planning to return there. Even now the same technique of establishing the camps is followed, 4 instead of 6
When they found his watch the time was 1:25 he could possibly of reached the top and died on the descent in the dark.
Very true. He was sadly not far from possible survival. Not sure if the camp had a cache of oxygen and food though.
@@andrewtownend4511 I stick with Odell's story and view. He did make it.
Odell was very clear. They were only 400m from the top, they'd cleared all the main obstacles and going strong in unusually good weather. Odell predicted the latest they'd summit was 4pm, the very latest anybody wants to summit because of the weather change.
Odell always said he was sure they made it.
However, something like 90% die on the way down.
that was , by far, the very best ad read I have ever seen. I know this video is two years old, I hope you are still posting because this is amazing
A few details I liked:
- The amazing feat and effort for the sponsorship! Truly a glorious journey!
- the Christmas(?) music in the background at 15:03??
Keep it up!
That part about George Mallory II made me smile. I like to imagine the original George is in the afterlife now and likes to bring that little tidbit up in conversation whenever he can. "My grandson conquered Everest, you know!"
When that part came up, I thought it was going to be about a guy who conquered Everest in a t-shirt.
Made me a lil' watery-eyed, honestly. Makes me wish he could've either lived to see him make what he wasn't able to, see his kin reach it too, or do it alongside him. FWI, I'm surprised Emp didn't mention that his grandson ended up leaving a picture of his grandparents at the summit, as George originally sought to do.
"Why did you watch a video on something so niche?"
"Because it's there."
How is everest niche, tf?
@@Lezzyboy87 Mountaineering trivia is
Something can be well respected and related to humanity's desires and be niche. Unless some super mainstream movie comes out and suddenly everyone and their dog is talking about George Mallory, it's pretty niche.
You’re severely sheltered if you think this subject is in any way niche
@@MashaRistova nitpicking
Your research and presentation is remarkable!
Your presentation was well written; excellently timed and informative. Well Done, Sir
Amateur. The snorkel was pointed upwards, drawing in even THINNER air. Had you pointed it downwards, you'd have had an easier time.
You dislike the stuff that gets uploaded by my fingers clicking upload? Are you just a h8er boi? I say see you l8er, boi. Don't watch the stuff that gets uploaded by my fingers clicking upload anymore. Your dislikes are damaging my good good GOOD reputation. I am a superstar, dear taran
what
Get his ass Taran!
It is Florida; he might have drowned!
@@loser5486 Air gets thinner the higher up you go, if you pointed your snorkel downwards you'd be breathing in slightly thicker air than if you pointed up at the top lmao
As Mallory famously said:
"Why climb it?"
_because it's there_
30:35
Probably the most chad response
what was the point of this comment
@@boomerfunnyjimgaffigan4998 dunk on the nihilist
@@tygrenvoltaris4782 tygren voltaris
Just had my second watch of this video. It truly does give me chills, and you did such an amazing job exploring it. It's a horrible death to imagine, and one made even worse by the idea that they could've succeeded, and be the only people who'll ever know it.
The sponsor bit was an interesting way of finding out you’re a Gainesville resident. I too have summited that deadly slope.
*_"Because it's there"_* would've been a pretty cool title if Mallory ever successfully returned and wrote a book about it.
Yes
It would've been the perfect sentence to both start and end the book.
At the start, at the first page it opens:
"Because it's there" I said "I want to climb this mountain because it is there."
And at the end of the last page:
So the reason I climbed this mountain was because it's there.
@@HappyBeezerStudios ngl not even trying to be an asshole but that sounds like it was written by a 1st grader lmao
"And remember, even if you don't climb it, it's still there." David Arnsberger, Austin, Texas.
@@vibive he is just giving a rough idea
"Because it's there" is such a succinct expression of the human will. This was a great video, even the ad.
It's more of a white people tuning tbh. Remember the Book of Genesis, "God shall expand Japheth"?
It sounds so much better than "because I'm fukkin crazy and I don't care who else gets killed as long as I get there."
It’s an amazing thing, really. We do things not because we should do it, but because we can do it.
I've seen this video a couple of times now, but I keep coming back to it. It's so fascinating and presented in such an interesting way.
I am ALWAYS blown away by your exceptional writing and narration! cheers lad!
It's scary to think about what it's like to be the first person. You're doing something NO ONE HAS EVER ACCOMPLISHED, it might not even seem possible yet I see the allure of wanting to cement your place in history.
There are lots of things nobody has ever done because doing them would be the height of stupidity. Including climbing Everest.
I came to the conclusion that I was not meant for heroic FIRST-evers. I downscaled to first in my family line. That has been quite successful!
It's why I miss High School so terribly >_
@@flipflopski2951 "That's why no one will remember your name."
i shuffle cards
Seeing the photos of Mallory face down in the rocks was brutal. His gear sheered from his bleached white skin. His body in places looking to have the quality of broken porcelain. Hollow, and brittle.
It’s wild to think that they made that climb with such inferior gear compared to modern times as well, having no idea of what or who would come after.
@@TheKillerham5ter I bet they were cold 🥶
looked those photos up as well, strikes something in you
I still can’t believe they actually found him.
@@mc1069 look at the actual photos, he's not just being melodramatic and faux poetic, he literally looked like broken white porcelain
Coming back to this video, such a good one. Great job emp.
I really enjoyed this. Well made. Thank you for sharing.
Fighting at the meat grinder known as the Somme wasn't enough excitement for one life for Mallory. You must admire the balls of that man.
Agreed. Whether or not Mallory and Irvine made it to the summit, they have my undying respect for having the near-unrivalled courage and aspirations to do what nobody else at the time had done. Goodness knows I wouldn't have the spine or fortitude to even think about entertaining that course of action.
Creeping barrage
You and I just heard that he killed 7 sherpas. No I must not.
@@xX_MC_OvU_PvP_YT_Xxhe didn't kill 7 sherpas jackass. He may have been responsible for their lives. That's a HUGE difference
@@xX_MC_OvU_PvP_YT_XxNow there's an officer fit for the Somme!
Over the top, now!
4:13 that geowizard music was a welcome addition.
Delightful
Such an adventurous song.
Can't wait for
Attempting to cross _"Nepal in a straight line..."_
i search for geowizard and fucking peterscraps of all people notices it
“In this video me and Welsh Greg attempt to summit Everest whilst travelling in a completely straight line”
I love your choices for the background music here!
What a great video. I find this topic extremely fascinating/engrossing/riveting. One of my favorite things to learn about.
it’s impossible to predict the videos on this channel and that’s a reason why this is my favorite channel. High quality videos on random topics that leave you with a philosophical mind
Like cgp grey
like jan misali
both of the responses to this are people i watch
Poké welcome to conlang critic, the show the gets facts wrong about YOUR favorite conlangs
mr freakout i’m 15 ok i can speak more verbosely but i think it would be a bad idea
EmpLemon: "At 29000 feet, air pressure is three times lower than at sea level meaning that climbers have access to only one third as much oxygen."
Mallory: *Imma smoke my pipe.*
Gigachad
PRO GAMER MOVE
XD
@@Ramsey276one YEAAAAAA
czcams.com/video/X3BFUUX5kOo/video.html
*the nicotine shall suffice.*
@@samuelthehobo4441 Nice!
# New PC goals
XD
Amazing job as always Emp! Love the content.
I have a theory that they did made it and before they returned to the crew the rope snapped and the two met their fate, Mallory put the photo of him and his wife in the summit but eventually it washed away like a chunk of sand in a beach. Its best we still have high hopes that Irvine has those rocks.
I fucking love how he keeps the “why are the simpsons green” joke alive to this day
I think it's dumb
@@L_Train k
What is the joke? New sub
kaine
I may be wrong but Emp used to make CZcams Poops about The Simpsons. He colour corrected their skin to be green, I think it was to get around CZcams’s copyright detection.
@@sirapple589 Basically, The Sempsins were his last CZcams poops and everyone in the comment sections kept asking "Y R THE SIMPSONS GREEN???" and lots of people in the YTP community hated Emp, some said Emp was in a mental "downward spiral". Emp later took these quotes and made them into memes in his channel.
My scout leader climbed Everest and it really put into perspective how difficult it really is. He did 14ers with 100 pounds on his back with ease. He did 14ers three times a week for almost a year in preparation for Everest. And he said it was the most difficult thing he’s ever done. He was a big help at Philmont
14ers?
@@silliercrayon9588 I'm assuming he means 14,000 ft peaks
what a fuckin chad
Carrying 100 pounds? Damn what a legend.
Jeez, that's impressive. We didn't even summit Baldy with packs and that was still a big challenge.
emplemon, ty for all the videos and AMAZING research, u make 4 - 6 AM bareable
Looking back at this video, I think this video can also serve as a really powerful lesson on how sometimes being first for anything isn't always a good thing. There is always a price for every thing you gain. It just so happened that the price for this bargain was just too much.
5:45 Wow, Edward Norton has had quite an interesting life. He climbed Everest, became best friends with Ralph Kramden and starred in Fight Club.
Every time he said his name it took me out of it lololol
He is the Incredible Hulk after all...
He also ran the NYC Marathon years back.
An all around American hero
I have a friend that climbed everest. He was really disappointed. There were hundreds of people. And trash everywhere. He was hoping for a legitimate special awe inspiring experience and what he got was an assembly line of people and trash.
That's what happens when commercialism takes place
You’re friend is probably lying to you😂
@@Bob-df7sg microplastic pollution
@@Bob-df7sg Almost everybody that climbs Everest either takes the Northeast Ridge or the South Col Route, there's usually around 800 a year that attempt the summit, and this isn't your average public hiking trail, nobody is paid to clean up the candy bar wrappers and lunch meat bags. If you don't believe it you're welcome to try it yourself, or you could just google pictures of trash and bodies on Everest. In this very video there was a photo of a line of climbers attempting the summit.
@@ToomanyFrancis Sherpas are tasked with cleaning trash and recovering dead bodies. I don't know if they are payed for the trash, but they are payed for the bodies and they consider the trash more important.
I’ve never seen any of your videos before. Not only was this interesting but that product placement was hilarious. Good to see someone actually making an effort. You earned yourself a Sub my man…
Another fantastic video, thank you!
emplemon really is the only dude pump out banger after banger about relatively inconsequential topics that are remarkably interesting
It's the editing and the unique voice
very original insight there bud
@@whymeohgodwhy9137 You're worse than the checkmarks
@@whymeohgodwhy9137 your literally helping him by commenting lol
I recently stumbled on Nick Robinson's channel, who tells ridiculously excellent stories about stupid internet meme shit. He recently had an interview with Scott from Domino's Pizza (have you heard of Hatsune Miku?), and the entire saga is stupidly compelling
I'm a hopless romantic who loves the idea that Mallory and Irvine made it, and that one day Irvine and a camera with proof will be recovered. I still hold major respect for Tenzing and Sir Ed for their accomplishment, and they get my nod as the first uncontested ascent, not to mention the first successful descent. Messner and Habeler also deserve major credit for the first ascent without supplementary oxygen.
I mean does a successful attempt even count if the descent was not completed?
@@SuperSMT well yes, if they made it then they were in fact the first to reach the peak, even if they never came back. Neil Armstrong would still be the first man to walk on the moon, even if the lunar lander blew up afterwards and he never came home.
Good you mention both Tenzing and Hillary. People tend to only talk about Edmund Hillary.
I doubt they made it the conditions were fucking ruthless
Sherpa types were probably the first. Js.
Thanks for the good info! I hadn’t heard a lot of that info in a way that made me interested to the point where it can stick. Anyway- I really appreciated how you told this story. Thanks!
Also, you told in a friendly / glad sounding voice. Honestly enjoyable content. I even got to enjoy your ad for bespoke post… lol I watched the whole thing while I was writing this comment. You seem like a curious and honest person so I’ve subscribed- keep it up!
Well done, I’ve heard of their attempt however not in this detail. Great job.
For anyone looking for more stories about Everest, I strongly recommend reading Into Thin Air by Jon Krakauer, which chronicles the 1996 Everest disaster. He was actually present at the summit on that day. All of his books are great pieces of investigative journalism. Into The Wild, Under the Banner of Heaven, and Where Men Win Glory are all also definitely worth a read.
And also for once, the movie is almost as good as the book. Super well made, check out “Everest” if you haven’t seen it.
I knew I recognized that name! Into The Wild is a really good book so I may check that one out
@@NeilMcLinden loved the movie too
No those are boring old people reads for farty historians and nerds
man into thin air is a bunch of shit. great story but for a bunch of reasons that's all it is: a story.
Whether or not Mallory made it, his colleagues definitely wanted him to have made it. From what you said, they must have been very good friends, or at least respected rivals. I know I would have wanted to think Mallory and Irvine completed their goal before dying
first
in my opinion it is very likely that they made it!
but their colleges might not have been as friendly as you think.
you should ckeck out the youtube channel of Michael Tracy... very interesting stuff!
Odell described their last seen position as "at the final step before the pyramid" at 12:50.
as this likely describes what today is known as the third step, this would put them on a timeline to reach the summit before Mallory`s cutoff time at 16:00.
for Odell to be describing the second step as the final step is unlikely as he also said they climbed it with "alacrity" in 5 minutes, this would only be possible with the first or third step, for Odell to describe the first step as the final step is just absurd!
but that is what Norton changed the story to!
Odell never publicly clarified exactly where he saw them, he was likely pressured from Norton... but to the family of Mallory and Irvine he confirmed it was the third step.
it was Norton who claimed they took the ridge route despite Mallory himself saying it was not possible, so likely they took the same route as Norton, which was considered the best route... this route passes under the second step and they would come up at the third step, where by Odell`s own notes is where he saw them.
Norton was lying!
Mallory was supposed to leave a picture and a letter from his wife on the summit, his daughter confirmed this when his body was found... he did not have his wife`s photo on him, neither did he have his wife`s letter on him, he had several other letters though from friends and family.
@@ralphbooger4756 Amazing comment, thank you for taking the time to type out that information! Very valuable
excellent commentary and research. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on exploration. It is the same drive for reaching the yet unexplored that pushes speleologists in ever deeper caves. Exhilarating when the attempt is successful despite the danger. Now, space beckons.
it's very poetic that the first people to reach the top died there. it's like the mountain itself took them as a sacrifice for the ultimate triumph
learning that his grandson reached the peak was just too much, I actually almost cried
It was really beautiful but also really sad at the same time.
But it's not the same if he did it with modern gear on established routes without having to overcome the second step barehanded. It would be cooler if his son conquered it rather than his grandson, there would be fewer handicaps for him.
@@Diwasho way to gatekeep a fuckin mountain
@@marcusborderlands6177 THE mountain, the ever-est of them all. If there's ever been the perfect hill to die on it's this.
@@Diwasho did you just make a molehill out of a mountain
I truly admire Odel, who could have easily said he didn’t believe they made it in a n effort to be first himself. But he along with many of his colleagues chose to claim their belief in Mallory’s success!
Mallory reached the summit 🥰🥰🥰
Perhaps your admiration might be temped a bit by the fact that the period in question was one in which despite many attempts, British expeditions be first to the poles, or first ascents of Everest had all ended in failure. The classic one being the fatal Scott attempt to get to the South Pole in 1912, having been beaten by the Norwegian Amundsen and then the entire party dying coming back to their starting point.
The organisation which had funded the previous attempts, the British Royal Geographical Society was funding the 1924 Everest expedition yet again, and they, plus the general British public and press were desperate to achieve at least of the one of the 'geographic firsts for the glory of King, country and empire' (Everest was marketed as the 3rd pole in the British press at the time) particularly given the horrors of WW1.
All the members of the expedition, including Odel, would have known and felt this pressure to not be known as yet again a 'Noble failure'. I don't think it takes much imagination to think Odel would, even if only subconsciously, interpret more progress for the two climbers than actually was the case. Having Mallory and Irving achieving a first summit then die on return was a least one better than Scott in the 'noble sacrifice' stakes.
As mentioned in the excellent video, Odel, would have known there was going to be no more attempts for the summit given the weather forecast (plus the storm he must have also seen arriving) with early June being way past the usual calm weather window for summit attempts.
deny and have a crippling depression or accept and believe your adventure had a cause and you fulfilled it
TBF it was a different era, Mallory was clearly a respected member of the team (and Odell was no slouch) etc.
But you're right, given Odell went back in 33 he still could have underplayed the situation to make his later efforts more impressive.
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q you're projecting too much. The British were pretty much the only ones going for Everest and there were two more attempts (one including Odell) before Hillary was successful.
I think Odell was simply a noble man in a more noble era than today.
Your videos are some of the best!
Such a good video, good job bro u deserve it
“Second place is just first place but for losers”
Margaret’s Dad in Regular Show
Funny seeing this, because I been binge watching that show lately. Loved watching Regular Show as a kid
I always felt that 2nd place is the last to know they lost.
"Because it's there" is causing me to have a crisis, a good one, but still a crisis regardless. The power and passion in those words symbolizes humanity at it's greatest, having great curiosity for the unknown and displaying confidence to successfully conquer the unknown.
Didn't have to repeat "the unknown" but yeah, I agree.
There is beauty in in irrationality.
A "crisis" - because in 2021 words can mean anything you want them to mean.
We need this kinda shit for space
@@ThunderChunky101 what a dumb fucking take lol, words are wind and they always have
Thank you for covering Michael Tracy's data on Mallory using the Great Couloir and then up the “Zig Zag” route to the summit. O’Dell saw Mallory climb over the THIRD step. Lastly, there are pictures of Everest on June 8th…no storm! There’s a very good chance they made it…
Omg the Hotel Giant 2 Theme....haven't heard this since childhood 😍 immediately recognized it! Great video btw
I would love a video of emplemon just talking about his favorite most obscure piece of media
Duck sauce
"Why do you want to climb Mount Everest?"
"Because it's there".
Gave me chills Mallory and Irvine were built different.
“Because…I MUST”
BS, they wanted to do it for the clout. Just like many people do it today.
@@seancullen99 So technically, everything humans have achieved was for clout...
@@truebark3329 Not exactly a bad thing
@@truebark3329 Well, this begs an interesting question. Can anyone really so anything for others without having some stake in it? Even when being nice to someone, you're expecting them to trust you and be kind in return. No such thing as true altruism.
You should do more live action sketches, you’re really funny and have great comedic timing.