I gotta nitpick and say that the first scene with Akira saving the rabbit has some narrative purpose in establishing Akira as someone willing to defend those in need and someone with a lot of guts, which I'm pretty sure was the only reason he was able to become Devil Man. More over, it establishes the tone of the rest of the series, along with the opening scene, as a dark series where justice and beauty don't necessarily win because there are people willing to do horrible things for no real reason. The author was going for an anti-war message with the anime after all.
Angel Flores i can see where ur coming from but as a massive devilman fan i have to say, the rabbit killing came across as unreasonable cruelty, they couldve done the scene just as well by having the biker gang bully someone or having them violently beat up a guy(even thats going a bit too far) considering how young there meant to be.
Shershah Adnan that's the whole beauty of nagai, when there is a limit that society would never reach, he goes for it. The devilman manga, while pretty good, does have some very average art. But anyway, if society refuses to show cruelty, go nagai will just do it. He's got a one way ticket to vip hell if his version of God is real.
R E ok i understand that but in this ovas case they shouldve shown a more realistic depection to teen cruelty, cause what they did while possible yes, isnt that common, while it makes sense for the world to be cruel after the whole demon reveal the mentioned rabbit thing before that it just feels inane.
I can see your point, but Akira isn't suposse to have guts, he is a coward in the manga, that only changes when he becomes Devilman, in the Manga, Miki was getting atacked by bullies and Akira was to scared to do anything about them, when Ryo shows up to scare them away with a gun. Kinda like Devilman Crybaby when you really look at it! XD
Well, he is a villain. So it's not as if we're meant to agree with him. It's kinda fun to see that madcap logic - that he's tunnel-visioned on the morality of killing without considering the morality of causing suffering. Plus that smug "UUUUHhhmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!" when he thinks he has a gotcha point pushes this scene over the edge of hilarity for me.
Something I've always found interesting is the rave scene. It has been portrayed differently in several media: Since the original manga was made in the 70's, the author portrayed the rave as being filled with Hippie-looking people and if it was animated I guess the music being played there would've been Jimmy Hendrix-like stuff. Then this OVA series was made in the late 80's, early 90's and it has the rave scene being filled with Hair metal enthusiasts. Finally, Devilman Crybaby has the rave scene in a modern rave bar with techno/pop music. Really interesting huh?
I mean, you're saying this to a guy that watches a scene establishing plot elements, villains, why they exist, why they're coming back and how to kill them etcetera and then goes "well that scene was useless and had no info in it, because this character becomes less prominent later!"
I mean, you're saying this to a guy that watches a scene establishing plot elements, villains, why they exist, why they're coming back and how to kill them etcetera and then goes "well that scene was useless and had no info in it, because this character becomes less prominent later!"
Christopher That third Ova wasn't part of the series. It was made independently and also took place pretty much near the end of the manga, in fact I think I heard it's actually from a different manga, not the original.
Considering how he's surprised by the violent, cynical tone of the whole thing and ends up calling it "violent schlock"... yeah i'm pretty sure he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Probably doesn't know there is a manga series and anime adaptation older than him.
It’s 2018 and we’ve got a new Devilman remake on Netflix. Can’t wait to see what he feels about it, after that “only in this period could Devilman be relevant” comment. Not saying that in a douche way, I actually wanna know what he thinks about the modern remake of this.
@@sillygrl23 He did a brief review in his 'Oldtaku, New Tricks' series. He deemed it "A Hot Mess" and was really frustated by the Anime's insistence that 'Humans are the Real Monsters'.
"No.....i must kill the DEMONS! akira shouted... then Rio said...."No akira......you ARE TEH DEMONS!" and then Akira was devilman its 4 years late....but i had to make that reference XD
As did I, this man speaks only of his own interests, which as far as I could tell were whining about how hard it is being a fat, lazy, good-for-nothing, awkward, single, white, cis-male who just can't seem to catch a break! honestly, the anime was so much better as a sub.
That sure was a statement. Someone not liking something you liked isn't a crime, and I don't see how any of that stuff you went off about even enters into it. Instead of being insulting for no reason, why not tell us why you liked the show? I'm much more interested to hear the OVA's merits than the string of non-sequitors you strung together.
ScttDynamite220 Why didn't I say why I enjoyed the OVA? Well, let me do that now. While Devilman does little justice to the Mangas, it still provides for an excellent OVA, giving the audience various introductory notes without actually having to point that much out in text, dialogue, or any other form of words, instead, we are simply presented with a glimpse into the early world where Demons roamed the earth, conquering and being conquered, eating and killing, survival at it's most ruthless. After enough of this, we are then brought to the present day earth (or possibly an Earth that's like two weeks in the future) presenting us with an afternoon of Akira, a caring young man, we can tell many things about him from the next scene, in which he protects a lone surviving bunny from some thugs, getting harmed in the process. From this scene, we are able to see that while he's little more than an average teenager, he has an abundance of kindness, compassion, and reason. Now, while I could go on and on picking apart every scene like this, I have better things to do with my time than argue with youTube scum. allow me to put it simply, Devilman is filled with various nuances and subtle messages including equality and the futility of rivalry. While lacking in various areas, it still makes up for it with the fluid animation, well thought plot, and various arcs brimming with originality rather than the dumbed down, stereotypes and cliches that prevail in various anime today.
While I kinda doubt you really threw the tape in the river and it was most likely for comedic effect, I kinda hate when reviewers do the whole 'mwahaha I have the power to make sure no one see's this film'. Thanks, so glad you had the ability to put something out there for everyone to make their own decisions, yet took it into your own hands to make sure no one could ever watch it. Regardless of how bad something is if it's damn near impossible to find anywhere the least you could do is preserve a copy of it. Archiving media is important...burning a copy of a DVD that's mass produced is one thing, throwing a VCR tape of a well known yet extremely rare copy of an uncut movie into the river based on the idea that 'no one should see it cause I decided it was so bad' is another. Or maybe I'm just being overly sensitive about the loss of old titles....what ever.
Sage, why do you question Ryo's methods? He is Satan after all. No, that's not a spoiler, it's a 40 year old manga. Even the reboots no longer hide it as a twist.
Except in the manga, he was bit more subtle. Yeah, he's basically the reason why I have the policy of "Don't Trust the Pretty Boy", but he wasn't stupid enough to show his true self until around the end.
Is that even a fair point considering the original manga never had a real official translation? Even the fan translation I read still seems to be from this decade.
If anyone is wondering what Sage thought of Crybaby, he goes into it a little in his Iron Virgin Jun review. His main gripe seems to have been he that it was too fast paced for its own good.
A lot of the hate Sage is getting seem to boil down the the fact that he didn't do any really research on the source material. But the thing is, that isn't really his job. He reviews dubbed anime. Not subbed anime, not manga and not franchises. So everything he says here does not represent any kind of critique on the series in general, or even the subbed version. It's just this. As a single solitary OVA.
I'm sorry, but that is not how it should be done. When reviewing an anime, film, or anything, you need to at least educate yourself and understand the original source material if the thing you are reviewing is based on something. And therefore, educate the audience to know what they are getting into. Bennett did no such research in his early videos and therefore did not understand certain things about the anime he reviewed and bitched about it (Akria and Grave of the Fireflies).
@@ChandlerVanFossen I'm sorry, but I don't agree with that. A good piece of media should be able to stand on it's own, independent of it's source material. You shouldn't need to do homework in order for a piece of media to make sense. I agree that an understanding of source material is probably required when doing a deep dive on something or an analysis of the whole franchise, but that isn't what this is. It's a comedic "This is why I don't think this OVA works."
@@kayleighbrown459 That's an understandable opinion. I may not agree with it, but I am not gonna go out of my way to demean you for it. But it's just it is interesting that there are other people saying the opposite of what Bennett is saying and how as far as I know, he's the only one with a more negative review. At least to my knowledge.
@@ChandlerVanFossen Can't fault the guy for not following the crowd tho. Devilman is one of those pinpoint anime, ya know. Like one that's kinda set in people's minds and hearts. Like, I came across a negative review of Berserk the other day so nothing is above criticism.
@@kayleighbrown459 Still, If you’re going to do a review, you owe it to yourself to do at least a little research on the source material before doing a review. Or at the very least, understand the themes or message the media is giving if it's not based on a certain source, like say an event in history or something like that. And by that I don't think Bennett's older videos, like this one, do him any justice as a critic. He comes across as if he knows what he's talking about, yet he clearly didn't understand the themes and ideas presented in both the original source material and the adaptation. And that includes his reviews of Akira and Grave of the Fireflies, both of which were horribly done in piss poor criticism and bad faith arguing. And that didn't change for years from 2011 to 2014 to even now in a few cases. Especially since he told me himself that even if he could go back and rework those old reviews, his criticism would not change. The same criticism that can be considered either flawed, biased, factually incorrect, or anything close to those things. As far as I know, THAT is not how you review anything. In my opinion, if you want to watch better and honest reviews, I suggest Studio Chojin (Mostly his dissection videos on Bennett's Akira and Grave of the Fireflies reviews) and KaiserBeamz.
did you just not pay attention while watching the second devilman ova? The movie explained everything that was happening quite well and I would honestly say it was better done than the first ova. It's like you just skimmed through the movie, not a good review at all.
All the flaws pointed out in this review exist only in the englush dubbed version: the dialogues have been totally changed and make non sense at all; for example: in the studio scene, Ryu never claims that demons are not natural beings; at the hospital, he never says that human could destroys demons by using atomic bombs: he just points out how demons are the natural enemy of mankind and, when they were asleep, the only enemy mankind ever had was itself; moreover: all the continuity mistakes are corrected in the third act of the original Devilman comic book, which, sadly, had never been adapted into OAV; so, if Sage would have read the comic, he couldn't film this video.
It doesn't really matter what the source material is. Sage reviews Dubbed anime. Whether that means the slock or gold. None are let off if they fail. As for the manga excuse. You should watch anything he does on Love Hina. He read the manga and watched the anime and thought it was awesome when he was 12... and then he realized it was absolute shit and takes the time to call out it's bullshit.
I don't get your point: in fact some of the flaws he points out do not exist; he could watch the original version and realize the error made by the translator. But no, he didn't; why? I don't konow and I don't care. But, in order not to say a false thing and make jokes for making jokes' sake, he could give a deeper view to the OAV series; as he has done, he lost his credibility.
Anime Abandon consists of reviews of DUBBED anime. Why the hell would you ask him to review the original source content? That isn't the show. That hasn't been the show for over a hundred episodes. Why the hell are you surprised now?
Back in the day when my town still had a video rental, I used to see Devilman on the sci-fi/fantasy shelf every time I'd browse. I'd pick it up, look at it, put it down. Then rent some other schlock like Deathstalker. My favourite bit is when the armadillo demon just shows up after the harpy prays to Satan. Goddamit if that isn't comedy gold.
Watching a shitty dub and reviewing it? Come on man that like beating up a person in an wheel chair. People complain and cry about over excessive gore but don't realize there a over saturation of nearly everything. To much harem with the same theme, to much shonen where the main character is perfect, and to much seninen that try's to hard to be dark. Everything is a copy or contrived these days, but Devilman was original for its time.
+Peraliq i think there needs to be more stories like devil man, where we are invested in the characters despite the bad ending(and i don't mean bad as in the quality of the story)
I actually liked these OVAs despite how weird they were. They were my first experience with gory violent anime shows. And for those curious there actually is a third in the OVA, called The Apocalypse of Devilman. As far as I know though it's never been dubbed. More is explained in it that was not talked about in the first two OVAs such as why Ryo changed. I don't claim to know the exact details but it's something to do with him turning out to be carrying the soul of Satin himself inside who has taken over Ryos personality similar to how Akira did with Amon.
Perhaps they meant that normal weapons can wound demons but only another demon can deliver the killing blow? Or maybe that's giving too much credit to the writers.
3:09 "have you ever had sex??" 17 year old me: *laughs while turning into a potato then flies into the sky* Present me: "Ehhh, not recently. It's been a long month."
To be fair, the original Devilman manga drew out the origin story quite a bit (and had the underground rave, although being written in the 70's it was more of a hard rock party), so you could argue it's just being faithful to Go Nagai's original vision. On the other hand, 40 minutes? Geez...
the problem with franchises like devilman is that they've been remade so many times in japan that short projects like this adaptaion mostly concern themselves with being less a stand alone story and more a "greatest hits" album of the original stories most memorable moments. while i wouldnt call it the worst brand of fanservice, its definitely a very impenetrable brand of fanservice. they dont bother explaining stuff like The character motivations or Ryo's sudden turn to misanthropy because the original creators were playing to an audience thats already invested, and already knows the context. this is pretty much just "iconic devilman moments without huge spoilers: the movie"
So basically, we're a bunch of pussies now? Also, Devilman is awesome. Lastly, never, EVER watch a 90's dub. Outside of Tenchi, Ranma, and maybe Sailor Moon.
If you think the anime was mean spirited, it's NOTHING compared to the mangas (of which there are several). Also Violence Jack uncut was released on DVD in 2015.
Because AGAIN. He's reviewing the original VHS copies OF the movies when they were first released in the 90's or so. Don't blame him for that, blame the original distributors for fucking up the dialogue.
AxelXGabriel And bennett thinks this anime is horrible now…has bennet ever watched the orginal subbed version of devilman…And bennett does not know they're are people out they're who likes devilman.Thanks to bennett…Some of his fans thinks its terrible…..and some of his fans jump to conclusions that i have terrible tastes in animes alll because i like devilman…which kind of irritates me…. do they know without devilman we will not have spawn or hellsing or attack on the titan etc….
***** dear sage..Im sorry....That I gotten angry with you about the devilman review.......and Im sorry that i jumped to conclusions...I should have known its you're opinion that you dont like it..And i should have respect it..Im really sorry.........However the devilman manga series is better then the devilman anime ova series.But i still like the devilman anime ova series.Im really sorry.That i jumped to conclusions..and keep up with the reviews. Im sorry….And I wanted you to understand some people like devilman….. You don't realize how much harm you are done the series by misleading potential fans. which made me angry that in you're actual Devilman review, You need to contextualize things
With respect, Bennet, that speech you like to give about how anime was just "better" in the 90s is pure, unadulterated, nostalgic bullshit. Anime has ALWAYS consisted of mostly crap, with maybe 15-25% good, and about 5% fantastic. The ONLY things that have changed between then and now are the art style, the mediums availability, and the specific TYPE of crap. Instead of ultra-violence, we have cutesy-waifu-shit. I get why you'd prefer the former, but to say that the GOOD modern anime doesn't compare to the good ones from the 90s is simply idiotic. And I CANNOT have any respect for someone who allows such narrow-minded preconceptions to prevent them from recognizing beauty in art. EDIT: It occurs to me that you may have realized the error of your ways in the 2 years since you recorded this. If so, feel free to ignore my artsy-hipster mic drop.
***** Oh, goodness, what an enlightening sentence! You've added SO MUCH to the conversation with your *scathing* wit, truly I am humbled. ...In future, if you're going to bother to type something, at least try to actually *SAY* something.
***** Which would make sense, if I had done that. But since I didn't, you instead come across as an idiot. *THAT* is my point. *Where*, exactly, did I state my opinions as fact? When I said the majority of anime has always been shit? Is that REALLY what you chose to focus on, the second sentence in a paragraph-long comment about open-mindedness towards art? OF COURSE that's not fact; anyone who bothered to use their damn BRAINS would recognize that. Particularly since I used words like "maybe" and "about", to show that they weren't actually meant to be accurate, but to illustrate a point, ergo hyperbole. What, are we all supposed to include *DISCLAIMERS* for everything we say? Sorry to break it to you, but that's not how TALKING works. Or is it just that two sentences was as much as you could handle? Didn't bother reading any further than that? If I'm coming across as rude, it's because I am. I don't coddle grown-ass adults, nor do I suffer fools lightly. If someone isn't going to use logic and reason (in other words, THINK), then I'm going to treat them like the toddlers they're mimicking. Nothing personal.
It's a very debatable point. The '80 decade was one of the golden age of animation (extension of the hobby to older audience, the advent of war drama with Gundam, the height of space opera inspired by Star wars and Star Trek, the creation of Studio Ghibli, the blooming of high school comedy genre with Urusei Yatsura, the creation of OVA format...). The second goes from mid '90 to mid '00, the first half of the '90 being ladden with a major economic crisis. Like it or not, there has been no major innovation in the industry since then, only popular success with recycled formulas for most part ("code geass" a.k.a. legend of galactic heroes' poor man, "trapped in video game" rehashes of //hack, fanservice light novel bullshit seen 5000 times already with little modification, more fetish harem comedies, lots of awful remakes/reboots (Saint-Seiya Omega, Gatchaman, the new Arslan Senki series yucks...)) In hindsight, you may at least say that Bennett is half right.
1995 - 2006. A decade of innovation, right. "Ghost in the shell" proved everyone that animation could be mature; by raising important philosophical questions regarding transhumanism for instance. Nobody in his right mind would say that this animated movie is a cartoon for weirdoes. It's a classic period. As for Evangelion, it wasn't exactly innovative but it dusted off tired characterization codes. This period was an experimental one as well, as demonstrated by interesting projects as "Gankutsuou" or "Redline". It had no definite trend, so it made for a wider variety of innovative titles, helped by animation budget being less constraining thanks to computer technology. 2006 year turned it around with edgy and moe bullshit slowy becoming the norm, because of "Elfen Lied" and "Air". Animation industry has gone consistently downhill, to the point it cristallized the anime community into a bunch of self-centered manchildren who basically praise style over substance.
Popularity =\= dedication. If popularity is a criterion for an amazing era, then care to explain me why money grubbing stinkers like forneverworld, misty chronexia and chibi have more subscribers each than true fans like Bennett, Bob Samourai, Anime elimination, kyle lauderdale and professor otaku all combined.
Say what you want about Devilman Crybaby, but a lot of the plot points are done a lot better. The bit with the rabbit is a lot more relevant and less completely hateful. The party is already happening and Ryo just takes advantage of it. The monster that kills Akira's mom just happens to meet Akira and doesn't moralize at him. Also while the misanthropy is definitely there, it is balanced out with some belief in the good of humanity. Though this OVA probably had better fight scenes.
If you had seen the recent Devilman Crybaby, the bullies who killed the rabbits earlier in the first OVA were meant to turn up again later on in the 3rd OVA during Mikiko's (the other Miki as everyone calls her Miko) introduction before she herself turns into a Devilwoman after going out with one of the bullies. It makes sense after watching the complete story in Devilman Crybaby and reading the original Manga how important the earlier bullies were meant to change their ways and try to help Akira when every other human was turning against him. But then again, the 3rd and 4th OVA never got done and this was all we saw from them.
I remember watching devilman first time. I was super high and I remember feeling sick watching all the sex and demons and violence. Then the weed took hold and now I’m anti war
Apparently much of Devilman goes over "Sage's" head. If you actually want to watch a *real* review of Devi-man I recommended watching HyperBitHero's review of it "Devilman | Your Next Favorite" or if you want to get a review of the manga go to Weekly Manga Recap's review "Weekly Manga Recap: Devilman", made by some of Bennett's former co-workers. Both reviews will tell you more than you'll even get here.
Is he now? I thought he did he did calm, informative reviews of recent popular "geek" media. You know, rather than posting videos of himself comedically summarizing and/or reacting to sensational media, while providing no actual intellectual analysis or insight into said work (which is the actual job of a critic). You may notice that the latter method of "critique" is the one taken up but the vast majority of you-tube reviewers for the sake of popularity; but I dare say it is the method that does the least service to human intellect.
Prove it. That's the job of the critic is it not? to prove opinion correct through proper analysis and argument. Tell me, who did that better? If all your going to do is listen to a bad dub and crack a few jokes at out of context clips, you firstly have no place calling yourself a critic, and secondly the only people you're going to sway to your opinions are those who couldn't think for themselves in the first place and look to internet personalities to confirm their biases.
The first OVA is superior to the rushed first episode of Crybaby. The second OVA which adapts the Sirene fight is also better and more fleshed out here than episode 5 of Crybaby. The animation is near excellent and extremely detailed. The music by Kenji Kawai is bloody excellent. You need to a be a moron not to see the amount of work that went into them. Let's just admit it, anyone who thinks the first two OVAs are half baked are complete morons who don't know a single clue about anime. Nothing screams half baked about the OVAs. Nothing. The production values ran up to a million yen and it shows, as every animation sequence in them screamed high quality. www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/19530 www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/18067 At this point, what should I tell you other than you should most likely stop watching anime. I feel like those precious frames are being wasted on a complete plebeian. The Amon OVA was nowhere on the level of the first two. Get real, and better yet, get a pair of glasses.
This dude literally never has anything good to say about any anime he always focuses so much on the bad and ingores the good that it makes him look like he's just constantly talking shit instead of actually reviewing a anime for what it's worth
devilman is a magnum opus. The manga is great and the ovas which there are three of them are pretty good too. This is adapting a manga pretty well, though not perfect. It's just that it's also a series of episodes. I don't see what flaw there could be to it other than the third episode is missing. In the manga, the bullies become friends. They just pick on the girl and the guy a bit but not ridiculously. The rabbit thing is something in the past. the ovas miss out a great thing with Satan/Ryo Asuka coming to his rescue. Delivering an awesome line that's later transformed into a poignant line in the Amon manga. By Lady devil man they pretty much have sex with a complicated thing where satan splits in two and doesn't know who he is. Well neither does Akira but he's pretty cool with it afterwards. Also you're wrong about the back story. It explains their nature and power to merge, and that happens all the time. As well as their violent nature. You find out that all of this is just something ryo made up to save Akira. The party doesn't have to be days, and they could have come and go until then. The series explains the demons aren't just running amok. Their killing but they also have a plan and are more organize with multiple demons helping and working together. It's not about being subtle. The turtle thing is torturing him. Even just seeing it in the review the scene works. Though getting called out is a bit of a jump. It sounds like the american release combined two different ovas but not the third. Ryo is making guesses. It's normal for guesses to be wrong or to change. especially as his subconcious turns back into Satan. Ryo says that the demons need a plan because they fear human weapons. Silene also knew and loved Amon. It's only that guy that loves her one sidely. This whole part is awesome. This american release lacks the third and most explanatory OVA. The ending with silene is good, her trying so hard and dying thinking she succeeded and right before is great.
That whole scene with the ranting turtle demon is so stupid. It’s a false equivalency that’s trying to make Akira out to be as bad as the demons despite the fact the turtle is actively making his victims suffer and the turtle is clearly aware of this and enjoys it! Maybe it’s because he’s just a psycho ranting to justify himself, but killing someone to free them from suffering is vastly different from killing just for the hell of it.
"WHAT'S THE POINT OF THE BUNNY SCENE???" holy fucking shit. I wonder if Bennett also watched Lord of the Rings and didn't understand why it had to establish the Hobbits as pure-hearted.
inseto bob Bennett really misses the point of the series. It's one of the most inspirational works of Japanese fiction ever created. Inspiring thing like Beserk, Parasyte. Anime and manga wouldn't be the way it is now if it wasn't for devilman.
Well, from what I've heard, Devilman Crybaby is just vulgar insanity on a plate. A clip I saw has the protag wake up to have sea men everywhere and even on the ceiling. I could already tell that show pulls no punches.
Devilman is a great series, the OVAs are great without the dub, but the manga is better and Devilman Grimnoire is one of my all time favorite manga. I'm looking forward to Devilman Crybaby on Netflix, it looks amazing
+chavens50 No, all of the OVAs were based off the manga. It's just that OVA 3 was made years later by what I assume was a different company. They skipped a lot of content from the manga, though.
In the original Japanese version, a lot of the dialogue that over explained anything were not in it. The English dub for this series was absolutely horrible.
'cause I got, but mostly for the reason I used to watch a lot hentai including those that were too much perverted even for my own taste, but it happened to stand on my way to "normal" staff. ok, I'm making excuses, but you'll need to forgive me. :D
About the "why don't they use guns thing", I recently picked up an official translation of the 1972 manga (or at least I'm sure it's official) and while reading it I wound up reading a scene where akira asks ryo, why don't they just use guns, and/or a more effectively weapon? Where ryo replies that some of the demons are strong enough to withstand, or rival an atom bomb. Also, something they didn't mention say in the manga (or at least yet) is that it looks like the demons can pop out from almost anywhere, and I would not like to run out of ammo when I have some demons trying to kill me. Ryo also mentioned that people are gonna refuse to believe that they're real if ryo and/or akira told them. And I probably said many things that are incorrect, or stupid, and if so, please let me know.
Ok so I find this funny as it seems that everyone is attacking sage on this one.(I am impressed it is actually well informed attacks however). Though it seems that since he didn't read the manga from what we guessed and that he watched the bad dub he didn't get it, so apparently this means that he should glorify it even though he is reviewing that specific version?
***** okay it's just confusing I mean isn't he reviewing things from a time period where dubbing wasn't at it's best and things would often get lost in translation?
***** Yet this was the video that was released AS IS in the US. THAT is what he's reviewing. Not to mention the fact that a lot of what he mentions still would work as huge flaws in the original.
I actually really liked it too. I thought the crossover would be weirder because of the blending between two different franchises, but I liked it. I can't wait for 2025 for Sages review.
Nothing anyone can say will stop me loving Jinmen with all my heart, we first met when I was 14 and he is the GREATEST DUB PERFORMANCE EVER! Jinmen, I salute you and your crazy voice and insane monologue.
This video is shameful. Literally EVERYTHING he said in the beginning, which basically amounted to "Devilman was made because 80s otaku were frustrated, socially awkward dorks who liked to have power fantasies about murdering people", was completely wrong in every way. He made up his own smug, prejudiced "headcanon" of what Devilman is and why it exists instead of spending a MINUTE doing a Google search to find out that 1. Devilman is based on a 70s manga 2. The manga is shonen and was made more for teenage boys than for nerdy adults/"otaku" 3. Devilman's message, if you actually experience the whole story, is one of the most anti-war ones out there. This guy is a clown who lacks the most basic understanding of storytelling and animation but thinks he's a "cynical anime veteran sick of the bullshit" because he watched Manga Entertainment dubs in the 90s.
557deadpool I'm not gonna act like I don't give a shit about a medium I've dedicated a good chunk of my free time to and that influenced me hugely as an artist, no. Sorry.
OVERRULED GOOD SIR!!! He technically said that, "Only a demon can fight another demon." He did not say that only a demon could "kill" a demon. Killing and fighting have similar executions, but are not the same thing.
Funny thing is Devilman was originally a Shonen manga back in 1972. And for those who don’t know what Shonen manga or anime are , it’s a manga or anime primarily targeted towards teenage boys (12-18). Of course Shonen manga are “popular” with all demographics, but it’s targeted demographic are boys in their teens. Now most Shonen were bloody and violent in the 80’s and 90’s just as long as they weren’t over the top with too much gore. Well Devilman was over the top with gore and sex. And was then placed in Seinen magazines. Seinen is manga or anime for adult men.
well ryo is Satan so yea all he was saying to have akira become a devilman was so he can be with him and not be attached to humans when he wipes them out.
By the way in case anyone is wondering; Sirene the bird demon just stands still where it is...and dies, still standing where it is. Also Bennett yeah using copyrighted music on CZcams does suck!
18:28 the 'riiight' was probably imitating the original line, which is probably just 'haaaai.' Maybe it's a cultural thing but it's a common way for people in anime to respond to a strict instruction. Doesn't make it less dumb.
You know to this day I find this to be Sage's most disappointing review, since I like Devilman. I think Devilman is an interesting story if you really get down into it, I'm not talking about the OVA, I'm talking about the 70's manga or hell even the old anime series made from it (though not as much that one). I found this review really disappointing when it starts off with the rant about Otaku culture instead of the history of Devilman. I get that Otakus in Japan and here in the states was, and still kind of is, a niche activity but that rant seemed better saved for his future Video Girl AI review. Also I know that maybe that he was trying to look at the OVA as it's own thing, and the OVA sucks so I'm not defending his thoughts on it, but why is it for his 8-man After (the review before this) and his New Cutie Honey review he went into detail about their past interpretations and mediums but not for this. It just seems like he could've gone more in-depth with Devilman.
@@roboguy75 Love it, like I'm so glad it got made and the style of animation it went with while jarring at first lends itself into the story brilliantly. Though I do admit maybe 10 episodes was too short to really explains some things about the demon war.
One thing that really put me off as I just recently happened to watch latter one Devilman: The Demonbird - was the absolutely nonsensical weird and disgusting weapons used in it.... I have seen some weird and questionable weapons... but Siren and her... *'remote controllable - detachable - homing - missile - talon arms'*..... that just literally *DETACH FROM YOUR BONES AND MUSCLE TISSUE* can spin and cut like saw blades... is something i have *NEVER seen before ఠ_ఠ* - also the fact that by the two beasts "melting together" they mean *'I WILL LITERALLY TEAR MY OWN HEAD OFF SO YOU CAN SHOVE YOUR HIPS DEEP INTO THE RHEUMY BLEEDING GAP WHERE THE HEAD WAS A MOMENT AGO'* ....the gore and grotesqueness is just unnecessary
So, I don't know if this is just me, but there's some weird noises starting at 17:15 that remind me of the jump sound effect in an old video game or something. I don't know if there's something wrong with the transfer, or something went awry during the upload, but... yeah.
0:53 Gonna have to disagree with you there Sage. Sure anime in the 80's and 90's had a lot to offer, but it also had a lot of shit to offer just like every other era of anime. In the 80's and 90's it was overly violent schlock, in the more modern era it's more waifu bait. But that does not mean that anime no longer has any magic to it or just can't live up to the standards of eras gone by. That is a very narrow minded way to judge the whole medium. There's animes like Baccano! My Hero Academia, One Punch Man, Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood, Gankutsuou, Fate/Zero and Black Lagoon. Some of the best anime's I have ever seen, made in the later 2000's. Anime is not trying to recapture an old light, they have discovered a new way of doing things. And I personally feel that anime is going through a different golden era. Sorry if your nostalgia glasses get in the way.
For some reason, when Akira just looks blankly at the bully and says "fuck you" in that cheese-ass voice I just lose it, it's hilarious
+Hokaru11792 and then at 12:37 "WAT DA FUK" LOOOOOOL
Sorry it's just... it's hilarious
+Hokaru11792 I thought I was the only one
Hokaru11792 It's just so bad it's as good as melted swiss cheese on roasted ham! Mmh! So Tasty!
Hokaru11792 Its meant to be. This stuff is clearly going over this dudes head
So basically in order to become a demon you have to throw a rave party...
PRAISE BE SLAANESH
I believe the proper term is "bacchanal"
Tsuki Akiba I never thought raves would play heavy metal
@@DemonDethchase THINGS WILL GET LOUD NOW
PURGE THE HERETIC (yay a fellow 40k fan)
*Daemon
No matter how many times I watch this, the "It's my old friend, Ryo" bit floors me every time XD
Right?
That was when I knew
I was gonna like this guy!😂
Classic.☺️😆
I gotta nitpick and say that the first scene with Akira saving the rabbit has some narrative purpose in establishing Akira as someone willing to defend those in need and someone with a lot of guts, which I'm pretty sure was the only reason he was able to become Devil Man.
More over, it establishes the tone of the rest of the series, along with the opening scene, as a dark series where justice and beauty don't necessarily win because there are people willing to do horrible things for no real reason. The author was going for an anti-war message with the anime after all.
Angel Flores i can see where ur coming from but as a massive devilman fan i have to say, the rabbit killing came across as unreasonable cruelty, they couldve done the scene just as well by having the biker gang bully someone or having them violently beat up a guy(even thats going a bit too far) considering how young there meant to be.
Shershah Adnan that's the whole beauty of nagai, when there is a limit that society would never reach, he goes for it. The devilman manga, while pretty good, does have some very average art. But anyway, if society refuses to show cruelty, go nagai will just do it. He's got a one way ticket to vip hell if his version of God is real.
R E ok i understand that but in this ovas case they shouldve shown a more realistic depection to teen cruelty, cause what they did while possible yes, isnt that common, while it makes sense for the world to be cruel after the whole demon reveal the mentioned rabbit thing before that it just feels inane.
R E also the art is pretty good for 1972 especially the more demonic, creepy designs
I can see your point, but Akira isn't suposse to have guts, he is a coward in the manga, that only changes when he becomes Devilman, in the Manga, Miki was getting atacked by bullies and Akira was to scared to do anything about them, when Ryo shows up to scare them away with a gun.
Kinda like Devilman Crybaby when you really look at it! XD
I have to admit I really did laugh when the turtle demon went on its insane morality rant. "You just killed a man AND YOU DIDN'T EAT 'IM!"
Jinmen is an well written villan.
Well, he is a villain. So it's not as if we're meant to agree with him.
It's kinda fun to see that madcap logic - that he's tunnel-visioned on the morality of killing without considering the morality of causing suffering.
Plus that smug "UUUUHhhmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!" when he thinks he has a gotcha point pushes this scene over the edge of hilarity for me.
OlaftheFlashy how he supposed to survive? ?? He needs to eat???
Something I've always found interesting is the rave scene. It has been portrayed differently in several media:
Since the original manga was made in the 70's, the author portrayed the rave as being filled with Hippie-looking people and if it was animated I guess the music being played there would've been Jimmy Hendrix-like stuff.
Then this OVA series was made in the late 80's, early 90's and it has the rave scene being filled with Hair metal enthusiasts.
Finally, Devilman Crybaby has the rave scene in a modern rave bar with techno/pop music.
Really interesting huh?
I thought the point of the gang killing rabbits was to display Akira's pure heart, which would be called back to for the rules of demon possession.
+Allen Babylon shh Devilman is apparently too smart for him.
ImmaKai1 Okay.
+Allen Babylon
He just doesn't "get it" lol.
I mean, you're saying this to a guy that watches a scene establishing plot elements, villains, why they exist, why they're coming back and how to kill them etcetera and then goes "well that scene was useless and had no info in it, because this character becomes less prominent later!"
I mean, you're saying this to a guy that watches a scene establishing plot elements, villains, why they exist, why they're coming back and how to kill them etcetera and then goes "well that scene was useless and had no info in it, because this character becomes less prominent later!"
*says that demons can be killed with a shotgun*
*the clip shows the demon regenerating from said shot*
GREAT CONTINUITY.
It's amazing truly amazing
+SMAXZO
That shotgun blast only worked because it was Rio's shotgun, and Rio is literally Satan.
+SMAXZO That's not it regenerating, that's it's blood. It's was confirmed dead after.
+Dab Boi most people never knew that as the third and last part of the OVA was never released to NA
Christopher That third Ova wasn't part of the series. It was made independently and also took place pretty much near the end of the manga, in fact I think I heard it's actually from a different manga, not the original.
"Fuck you." That was the funniest line in this OVA. I laugh so much.
Did... Did the book-smacking sound effect get transposed to later in the video for anyone else?
+QuikVidGuy Yeah, actually, it did for me. That's very weird.
+QuikVidGuy That's what that was! that makes more sense now.
Thanks
Yeah same here
thank god, i thought i was having a stroke
I'm surprised he didn't mention the original 1970s anime
Considering how he's surprised by the violent, cynical tone of the whole thing and ends up calling it "violent schlock"... yeah i'm pretty sure he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Probably doesn't know there is a manga series and anime adaptation older than him.
@@NoTimeNoEffort sage not knowing what he’s talking about? What a shock . Dude is literally acting like OVA’s are bad
It’s 2018 and we’ve got a new Devilman remake on Netflix. Can’t wait to see what he feels about it, after that “only in this period could Devilman be relevant” comment. Not saying that in a douche way, I actually wanna know what he thinks about the modern remake of this.
James Palmer Me too,I saw it and loved it,but I am curious as to what he thinks about it
Just had to get a free trial of Netflix to see Crybaby after all the buzz from CZcams. THE SHOW WAS GLORIOUS AND MY HEART BROKE!
James Palmer yeah lately there have been anime based on old manga and I think it’s a great oportunity for him to review them.
James Palmer check his iron virgin Jun review for his Mention.
@@sillygrl23 He did a brief review in his 'Oldtaku, New Tricks' series.
He deemed it "A Hot Mess" and was really frustated by the Anime's insistence that 'Humans are the Real Monsters'.
So who's come here after watching Devilman: Crybaby?
That would be me
Kinda hoping he'll do a review of the new series, but I won't lose sleep knowing he won't
robotspgc I'd watch Sage review of it if it was a collab with Rantasmo about the heavy, heavy, heavy pro-LGBT/anti-xenophobia message of the new show.
me
"No.....i must kill the DEMONS! akira shouted...
then Rio said...."No akira......you ARE TEH DEMONS!"
and then Akira was devilman
its 4 years late....but i had to make that reference XD
Watching this today has truly shown how much weight Sage has lost. It's truly amazing.
"only during this time could Devilman exist." Oh how times have changed...
Personally, i friggin loved devil man
As did I, this man speaks only of his own interests, which as far as I could tell were whining about how hard it is being a fat, lazy, good-for-nothing, awkward, single, white, cis-male who just can't seem to catch a break! honestly, the anime was so much better as a sub.
That sure was a statement. Someone not liking something you liked isn't a crime, and I don't see how any of that stuff you went off about even enters into it. Instead of being insulting for no reason, why not tell us why you liked the show? I'm much more interested to hear the OVA's merits than the string of non-sequitors you strung together.
ScttDynamite220 Why didn't I say why I enjoyed the OVA? Well, let me do that now. While Devilman does little justice to the Mangas, it still provides for an excellent OVA, giving the audience various introductory notes without actually having to point that much out in text, dialogue, or any other form of words, instead, we are simply presented with a glimpse into the early world where Demons roamed the earth, conquering and being conquered, eating and killing, survival at it's most ruthless. After enough of this, we are then brought to the present day earth (or possibly an Earth that's like two weeks in the future) presenting us with an afternoon of Akira, a caring young man, we can tell many things about him from the next scene, in which he protects a lone surviving bunny from some thugs, getting harmed in the process. From this scene, we are able to see that while he's little more than an average teenager, he has an abundance of kindness, compassion, and reason. Now, while I could go on and on picking apart every scene like this, I have better things to do with my time than argue with youTube scum. allow me to put it simply, Devilman is filled with various nuances and subtle messages including equality and the futility of rivalry. While lacking in various areas, it still makes up for it with the fluid animation, well thought plot, and various arcs brimming with originality rather than the dumbed down, stereotypes and cliches that prevail in various anime today.
I think Sage does too
CornishCreamtea07 who's that?
While I kinda doubt you really threw the tape in the river and it was most likely for comedic effect, I kinda hate when reviewers do the whole 'mwahaha I have the power to make sure no one see's this film'. Thanks, so glad you had the ability to put something out there for everyone to make their own decisions, yet took it into your own hands to make sure no one could ever watch it. Regardless of how bad something is if it's damn near impossible to find anywhere the least you could do is preserve a copy of it. Archiving media is important...burning a copy of a DVD that's mass produced is one thing, throwing a VCR tape of a well known yet extremely rare copy of an uncut movie into the river based on the idea that 'no one should see it cause I decided it was so bad' is another. Or maybe I'm just being overly sensitive about the loss of old titles....what ever.
Relax, the uncut OVA has been rereleased on Blu Ray a while back.
Remember kids the only thing that can kill a double demon is a triple demon
also the manga is 10000 times better
Rio seems to come from the Quatro Bajeena school of fashion.
Lmaoo i swear i thought the same thing
+Doug Glassmen I wouldn't have thought of that.
Doug Glassman I was thinking he looked like char without his helmet.
Ryo definitely looked better in the 2017 version
Doug Glassman Ryo*
Sage, why do you question Ryo's methods? He is Satan after all. No, that's not a spoiler, it's a 40 year old manga. Even the reboots no longer hide it as a twist.
Except in the manga, he was bit more subtle. Yeah, he's basically the reason why I have the policy of "Don't Trust the Pretty Boy", but he wasn't stupid enough to show his true self until around the end.
+zeldaed123 Cringe
***** Okay, smartass. Can you name any anime or manga where a pretty boy didn't turn out to be evil? And no, you can't say JoJo.
Yu Yu Hakusho
Is that even a fair point considering the original manga never had a real official translation? Even the fan translation I read still seems to be from this decade.
If anyone is wondering what Sage thought of Crybaby, he goes into it a little in his Iron Virgin Jun review. His main gripe seems to have been he that it was too fast paced for its own good.
After looking at some of the comments in this section . The humans in the new netflix devilman becomes even more believable .
The rabbit scene shows his pure nature which is why Ryu gets him to help
12:30
I hereby name this section of Ryo's house the "Maximum Fun Chamber".
HellChuggapri1 HA YES
9:41
Oh hi Mark.
devilman is an good anime ova series.
Faolan Hart {Animal Above The Man} Hello😸.
I actually loved Ryo's exposition on the demons, the cinematography and lighting really made it all the more foreboding.
i hope you didn't really through away that copy of violence jack...
watch till the end
Gun Jack Oh, what happen-OH LORDY.
"Tiny turtle arms"? The hell? Didn't you watch the fight scene, where the demon was swinging those arms all across the room?
I guess not, and he missed the fact that demons need human host, so the turtle guy could have been in human form wen he made the call.
A lot of the hate Sage is getting seem to boil down the the fact that he didn't do any really research on the source material. But the thing is, that isn't really his job. He reviews dubbed anime. Not subbed anime, not manga and not franchises. So everything he says here does not represent any kind of critique on the series in general, or even the subbed version. It's just this. As a single solitary OVA.
I'm sorry, but that is not how it should be done. When reviewing an anime, film, or anything, you need to at least educate yourself and understand the original source material if the thing you are reviewing is based on something. And therefore, educate the audience to know what they are getting into. Bennett did no such research in his early videos and therefore did not understand certain things about the anime he reviewed and bitched about it (Akria and Grave of the Fireflies).
@@ChandlerVanFossen
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with that.
A good piece of media should be able to stand on it's own, independent of it's source material. You shouldn't need to do homework in order for a piece of media to make sense. I agree that an understanding of source material is probably required when doing a deep dive on something or an analysis of the whole franchise, but that isn't what this is. It's a comedic "This is why I don't think this OVA works."
@@kayleighbrown459 That's an understandable opinion. I may not agree with it, but I am not gonna go out of my way to demean you for it. But it's just it is interesting that there are other people saying the opposite of what Bennett is saying and how as far as I know, he's the only one with a more negative review. At least to my knowledge.
@@ChandlerVanFossen
Can't fault the guy for not following the crowd tho. Devilman is one of those pinpoint anime, ya know. Like one that's kinda set in people's minds and hearts.
Like, I came across a negative review of Berserk the other day so nothing is above criticism.
@@kayleighbrown459 Still, If you’re going to do a review, you owe it to yourself to do at least a little research on the source material before doing a review. Or at the very least, understand the themes or message the media is giving if it's not based on a certain source, like say an event in history or something like that. And by that I don't think Bennett's older videos, like this one, do him any justice as a critic. He comes across as if he knows what he's talking about, yet he clearly didn't understand the themes and ideas presented in both the original source material and the adaptation. And that includes his reviews of Akira and Grave of the Fireflies, both of which were horribly done in piss poor criticism and bad faith arguing. And that didn't change for years from 2011 to 2014 to even now in a few cases. Especially since he told me himself that even if he could go back and rework those old reviews, his criticism would not change. The same criticism that can be considered either flawed, biased, factually incorrect, or anything close to those things. As far as I know, THAT is not how you review anything.
In my opinion, if you want to watch better and honest reviews, I suggest Studio Chojin (Mostly his dissection videos on Bennett's Akira and Grave of the Fireflies reviews) and KaiserBeamz.
This dub is hysterical!
Also, is it weird that I think Akira’s post-possession human form is hot?
That scene where Ryo appears was so unintentionally funny, I started hollering
Of course you can kill a demon with a shotgun! Have you not played Doom?
did you just not pay attention while watching the second devilman ova? The movie explained everything that was happening quite well and I would honestly say it was better done than the first ova. It's like you just skimmed through the movie, not a good review at all.
All the flaws pointed out in this review exist only in the englush dubbed version: the dialogues have been totally changed and make non sense at all; for example: in the studio scene, Ryu never claims that demons are not natural beings; at the hospital, he never says that human could destroys demons by using atomic bombs: he just points out how demons are the natural enemy of mankind and, when they were asleep, the only enemy mankind ever had was itself; moreover: all the continuity mistakes are corrected in the third act of the original Devilman comic book, which, sadly, had never been adapted into OAV; so, if Sage would have read the comic, he couldn't film this video.
It doesn't really matter what the source material is. Sage reviews Dubbed anime. Whether that means the slock or gold. None are let off if they fail. As for the manga excuse. You should watch anything he does on Love Hina. He read the manga and watched the anime and thought it was awesome when he was 12... and then he realized it was absolute shit and takes the time to call out it's bullshit.
I don't get your point: in fact some of the flaws he points out do not exist; he could watch the original version and realize the error made by the translator. But no, he didn't; why? I don't konow and I don't care. But, in order not to say a false thing and make jokes for making jokes' sake, he could give a deeper view to the OAV series; as he has done, he lost his credibility.
Anime Abandon consists of reviews of DUBBED anime. Why the hell would you ask him to review the original source content? That isn't the show. That hasn't been the show for over a hundred episodes. Why the hell are you surprised now?
Daniel Carey People will always bitch look for excuses when someone makes fun of the shit they like. It's nothing new
please
Back in the day when my town still had a video rental, I used to see Devilman on the sci-fi/fantasy shelf every time I'd browse. I'd pick it up, look at it, put it down. Then rent some other schlock like Deathstalker.
My favourite bit is when the armadillo demon just shows up after the harpy prays to Satan. Goddamit if that isn't comedy gold.
I just watched Devilman: Crybaby, and wanted to re-watch this and get nostalgic. Although, I’m curious what Bennett thinks of Crybaby.
Bennett isn't a fan of that either.
Watching a shitty dub and reviewing it? Come on man that like beating up a person in an wheel chair. People complain and cry about over excessive gore but don't realize there a over saturation of nearly everything. To much harem with the same theme, to much shonen where the main character is perfect, and to much seninen that try's to hard to be dark. Everything is a copy or contrived these days, but Devilman was original for its time.
+Peraliq i think there needs to be more stories like devil man, where we are invested in the characters despite the bad ending(and i don't mean bad as in the quality of the story)
+Glitch MC reviews should be done in unbiased way. I hate Sao but I'll give it a 6.
So you are saying people shouldn't critizice old anime dubs because they had lower standards, that's part of the fun of critizicing it.
I honestly prefer this over devilman crybaby in my opinion
I actually liked these OVAs despite how weird they were. They were my first experience with gory violent anime shows. And for those curious there actually is a third in the OVA, called The Apocalypse of Devilman. As far as I know though it's never been dubbed. More is explained in it that was not talked about in the first two OVAs such as why Ryo changed. I don't claim to know the exact details but it's something to do with him turning out to be carrying the soul of Satin himself inside who has taken over Ryos personality similar to how Akira did with Amon.
I dunno, this review actually made me want to watch Devilman.
Perhaps they meant that normal weapons can wound demons but only another demon can deliver the killing blow? Or maybe that's giving too much credit to the writers.
3:09 "have you ever had sex??"
17 year old me: *laughs while turning into a potato then flies into the sky*
Present me: "Ehhh, not recently. It's been a long month."
To be fair, the original Devilman manga drew out the origin story quite a bit (and had the underground rave, although being written in the 70's it was more of a hard rock party), so you could argue it's just being faithful to Go Nagai's original vision.
On the other hand, 40 minutes? Geez...
the problem with franchises like devilman is that they've been remade so many times in japan that short projects like this adaptaion mostly concern themselves with being less a stand alone story and more a "greatest hits" album of the original stories most memorable moments. while i wouldnt call it the worst brand of fanservice, its definitely a very impenetrable brand of fanservice.
they dont bother explaining stuff like The character motivations or Ryo's sudden turn to misanthropy because the original creators were playing to an audience thats already invested, and already knows the context. this is pretty much just "iconic devilman moments without huge spoilers: the movie"
So basically, we're a bunch of pussies now?
Also, Devilman is awesome. Lastly, never, EVER watch a 90's dub. Outside of Tenchi, Ranma, and maybe Sailor Moon.
Wtf. Why?
+KJ Setser Which point? I think there were three of them.
you're new apparently
+Haohmaru Of The Wind Nothing to do with my original point. The dubbing was good for the 90's. Thanks for your opinion, though.
+Sung Ra Fucking A', he talks all that smack and has terrible audio at the end. this anime looks fucking badass
Otaku is why I don't talk about any of my interests
That's awful
If you think the anime was mean spirited, it's NOTHING compared to the mangas (of which there are several). Also Violence Jack uncut was released on DVD in 2015.
Atomicskull oh. thats probably why its possible to torrent it now.
Now I have this in my head of Sage breaking into people's houses and taking their Violence Jack DVDs so he can smash them with a baseball bat.
The dialogue is very different in the subbed version. I really don't get why you never watch the subbed versions...
agreed.
Because AGAIN. He's reviewing the original VHS copies OF the movies when they were first released in the 90's or so. Don't blame him for that, blame the original distributors for fucking up the dialogue.
AxelXGabriel
And bennett thinks this anime is horrible now…has bennet ever watched the orginal subbed version of devilman…And bennett does not know they're are people out they're who likes devilman.Thanks to bennett…Some of his fans thinks its terrible…..and some of his fans jump to conclusions that i have terrible tastes in animes alll because i like devilman…which kind of irritates me…. do they know without devilman we will not have spawn or hellsing or attack on the titan
etc….
*****
dear sage..Im sorry....That I gotten angry with you about the devilman review.......and Im sorry that i jumped to conclusions...I should have known its you're opinion that you dont like it..And i should have respect it..Im really sorry.........However the devilman manga series is better then the devilman anime ova series.But i still like the devilman anime ova series.Im really sorry.That i jumped to conclusions..and keep up with the reviews.
Im sorry….And
I wanted you to understand some people like devilman…..
You don't realize how much harm you are done the series by misleading potential fans.
which made me angry
that in you're actual Devilman review, You need to contextualize things
AxelXGabriel I saw it subbed on VHS back in the 90s.
With respect, Bennet, that speech you like to give about how anime was just "better" in the 90s is pure, unadulterated, nostalgic bullshit. Anime has ALWAYS consisted of mostly crap, with maybe 15-25% good, and about 5% fantastic. The ONLY things that have changed between then and now are the art style, the mediums availability, and the specific TYPE of crap. Instead of ultra-violence, we have cutesy-waifu-shit. I get why you'd prefer the former, but to say that the GOOD modern anime doesn't compare to the good ones from the 90s is simply idiotic. And I CANNOT have any respect for someone who allows such narrow-minded preconceptions to prevent them from recognizing beauty in art.
EDIT: It occurs to me that you may have realized the error of your ways in the 2 years since you recorded this. If so, feel free to ignore my artsy-hipster mic drop.
*****
Oh, goodness, what an enlightening sentence! You've added SO MUCH to the conversation with your *scathing* wit, truly I am humbled.
...In future, if you're going to bother to type something, at least try to actually *SAY* something.
*****
Which would make sense, if I had done that. But since I didn't, you instead come across as an idiot. *THAT* is my point.
*Where*, exactly, did I state my opinions as fact? When I said the majority of anime has always been shit? Is that REALLY what you chose to focus on, the second sentence in a paragraph-long comment about open-mindedness towards art?
OF COURSE that's not fact; anyone who bothered to use their damn BRAINS would recognize that. Particularly since I used words like "maybe" and "about", to show that they weren't actually meant to be accurate, but to illustrate a point, ergo hyperbole.
What, are we all supposed to include *DISCLAIMERS* for everything we say? Sorry to break it to you, but that's not how TALKING works. Or is it just that two sentences was as much as you could handle? Didn't bother reading any further than that?
If I'm coming across as rude, it's because I am. I don't coddle grown-ass adults, nor do I suffer fools lightly. If someone isn't going to use logic and reason (in other words, THINK), then I'm going to treat them like the toddlers they're mimicking. Nothing personal.
It's a very debatable point. The '80 decade was one of the golden age of animation (extension of the hobby to older audience, the advent of war drama with Gundam, the height of space opera inspired by Star wars and Star Trek, the creation of Studio Ghibli, the blooming of high school comedy genre with Urusei Yatsura, the creation of OVA format...).
The second goes from mid '90 to mid '00, the first half of the '90 being ladden with a major economic crisis. Like it or not, there has been no major innovation in the industry since then, only popular success with recycled formulas for most part ("code geass" a.k.a. legend of galactic heroes' poor man, "trapped in video game" rehashes of //hack, fanservice light novel bullshit seen 5000 times already with little modification, more fetish harem comedies, lots of awful remakes/reboots (Saint-Seiya Omega, Gatchaman, the new Arslan Senki series yucks...))
In hindsight, you may at least say that Bennett is half right.
1995 - 2006. A decade of innovation, right. "Ghost in the shell" proved everyone that animation could be mature; by raising important philosophical questions regarding transhumanism for instance. Nobody in his right mind would say that this animated movie is a cartoon for weirdoes. It's a classic period. As for Evangelion, it wasn't exactly innovative but it dusted off tired characterization codes. This period was an experimental one as well, as demonstrated by interesting projects as "Gankutsuou" or "Redline". It had no definite trend, so it made for a wider variety of innovative titles, helped by animation budget being less constraining thanks to computer technology. 2006 year turned it around with edgy and moe bullshit slowy becoming the norm, because of "Elfen Lied" and "Air". Animation industry has gone consistently downhill, to the point it cristallized the anime community into a bunch of self-centered manchildren who basically praise style over substance.
Popularity =\= dedication. If popularity is a criterion for an amazing era, then care to explain me why money grubbing stinkers like forneverworld, misty chronexia and chibi have more subscribers each than true fans like Bennett, Bob Samourai, Anime elimination, kyle lauderdale and professor otaku all combined.
27:00 The face of a man who cannot unsee the shit that he's seen.
This has so much more detail than that sketchy Netflix version. And this OVA was considered to be low budget.
Say what you want about Devilman Crybaby, but a lot of the plot points are done a lot better. The bit with the rabbit is a lot more relevant and less completely hateful. The party is already happening and Ryo just takes advantage of it. The monster that kills Akira's mom just happens to meet Akira and doesn't moralize at him. Also while the misanthropy is definitely there, it is balanced out with some belief in the good of humanity. Though this OVA probably had better fight scenes.
The original Devilman series was amazing especially if you watch it with subs and not the dubs, to each his own though.
But the dub is hilarious.
If you had seen the recent Devilman Crybaby, the bullies who killed the rabbits earlier in the first OVA were meant to turn up again later on in the 3rd OVA during Mikiko's (the other Miki as everyone calls her Miko) introduction before she herself turns into a Devilwoman after going out with one of the bullies. It makes sense after watching the complete story in Devilman Crybaby and reading the original Manga how important the earlier bullies were meant to change their ways and try to help Akira when every other human was turning against him.
But then again, the 3rd and 4th OVA never got done and this was all we saw from them.
I remember watching devilman first time. I was super high and I remember feeling sick watching all the sex and demons and violence. Then the weed took hold and now I’m anti war
Apparently much of Devilman goes over "Sage's" head.
If you actually want to watch a *real* review of Devi-man I recommended watching HyperBitHero's review of it "Devilman | Your Next Favorite" or if you want to get a review of the manga go to Weekly Manga Recap's review "Weekly Manga Recap: Devilman", made by some of Bennett's former co-workers. Both reviews will tell you more than you'll even get here.
The longstanding quality of his body of work would say otherwise.
Is he now? I thought he did he did calm, informative reviews of recent popular "geek" media. You know, rather than posting videos of himself comedically summarizing and/or reacting to sensational media, while providing no actual intellectual analysis or insight into said work (which is the actual job of a critic). You may notice that the latter method of "critique" is the one taken up but the vast majority of you-tube reviewers for the sake of popularity; but I dare say it is the method that does the least service to human intellect.
Prove it.
That's the job of the critic is it not? to prove opinion correct through proper analysis and argument. Tell me, who did that better?
If all your going to do is listen to a bad dub and crack a few jokes at out of context clips, you firstly have no place calling yourself a critic, and secondly the only people you're going to sway to your opinions are those who couldn't think for themselves in the first place and look to internet personalities to confirm their biases.
The first OVA is superior to the rushed first episode of Crybaby. The second OVA which adapts the Sirene fight is also better and more fleshed out here than episode 5 of Crybaby. The animation is near excellent and extremely detailed. The music by Kenji Kawai is bloody excellent. You need to a be a moron not to see the amount of work that went into them.
Let's just admit it, anyone who thinks the first two OVAs are half baked are complete morons who don't know a single clue about anime. Nothing screams half baked about the OVAs. Nothing. The production values ran up to a million yen and it shows, as every animation sequence in them screamed high quality.
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At this point, what should I tell you other than you should most likely stop watching anime. I feel like those precious frames are being wasted on a complete plebeian. The Amon OVA was nowhere on the level of the first two. Get real, and better yet, get a pair of glasses.
This dude literally never has anything good to say about any anime he always focuses so much on the bad and ingores the good that it makes him look like he's just constantly talking shit instead of actually reviewing a anime for what it's worth
devilman is a magnum opus. The manga is great and the ovas which there are three of them are pretty good too. This is adapting a manga pretty well, though not perfect. It's just that it's also a series of episodes.
I don't see what flaw there could be to it other than the third episode is missing.
In the manga, the bullies become friends. They just pick on the girl and the guy a bit but not ridiculously. The rabbit thing is something in the past.
the ovas miss out a great thing with Satan/Ryo Asuka coming to his rescue. Delivering an awesome line that's later transformed into a poignant line in the Amon manga. By Lady devil man they pretty much have sex with a complicated thing where satan splits in two and doesn't know who he is. Well neither does Akira but he's pretty cool with it afterwards.
Also you're wrong about the back story. It explains their nature and power to merge, and that happens all the time. As well as their violent nature.
You find out that all of this is just something ryo made up to save Akira. The party doesn't have to be days, and they could have come and go until then.
The series explains the demons aren't just running amok. Their killing but they also have a plan and are more organize with multiple demons helping and working together.
It's not about being subtle. The turtle thing is torturing him. Even just seeing it in the review the scene works. Though getting called out is a bit of a jump.
It sounds like the american release combined two different ovas but not the third.
Ryo is making guesses. It's normal for guesses to be wrong or to change. especially as his subconcious turns back into Satan. Ryo says that the demons need a plan because they fear human weapons.
Silene also knew and loved Amon. It's only that guy that loves her one sidely. This whole part is awesome. This american release lacks the third and most explanatory OVA. The ending with silene is good, her trying so hard and dying thinking she succeeded and right before is great.
That whole scene with the ranting turtle demon is so stupid. It’s a false equivalency that’s trying to make Akira out to be as bad as the demons despite the fact the turtle is actively making his victims suffer and the turtle is clearly aware of this and enjoys it!
Maybe it’s because he’s just a psycho ranting to justify himself, but killing someone to free them from suffering is vastly different from killing just for the hell of it.
Its almost like Bennett doesn't understand what establishing character is.
"WHAT'S THE POINT OF THE BUNNY SCENE???" holy fucking shit. I wonder if Bennett also watched Lord of the Rings and didn't understand why it had to establish the Hobbits as pure-hearted.
Dumbass, Sage very well gets that thats the point, they just went way too far with it for the sake for being edgey. Thats what Sage's pissed about.
We know that Akira is good person. But we don't really something like this. If they can not do a good one then don't do anything at all like that.
I'm honestly a bit surprised this episode hasn't escalated in views lately since the reboots release.
Love your show dude!
Don’t forget that the much less violent Devilman TV show were it was a monster of the week show.
Devilman animation was way too good for the year it was released in, Devilman should be more popular, way better anime than Naruto.
Carl Johnson it looks like wasted budget to me, this series seems to be only for people with violence fetishes
inseto bob Bennett really misses the point of the series. It's one of the most inspirational works of Japanese fiction ever created. Inspiring thing like Beserk, Parasyte. Anime and manga wouldn't be the way it is now if it wasn't for devilman.
Well, you’re in luck! If you don’t already know, there’s a modern remake on Netflix. And it’s gooooooooood
James Palmer good and meme aren't the same thing
It's trash bro. read the manga
I can honestly say the new anime crybaby does it Soo much justice.
Akira looks like the child of Fa and Kamile from zeta gundam
Brodie Crain O_O
I live under your bed just saying
"She prays to Satan to help her. And it works."
Well, of course it does. He's right there.
Dub mistranslation. What you see in the silhoutte is Lord Xenon.
Well, from what I've heard, Devilman Crybaby is just vulgar insanity on a plate.
A clip I saw has the protag wake up to have sea men everywhere and even on the ceiling.
I could already tell that show pulls no punches.
Devilman is a great series, the OVAs are great without the dub, but the manga is better and Devilman Grimnoire is one of my all time favorite manga. I'm looking forward to Devilman Crybaby on Netflix, it looks amazing
Sage DOES know that this is a 3 part OVA right?
CornishCreamtea07 Oh damn, Amon was just depressing.
+CornishCreamtea07 Actually it's only a two part. The third OVA made was based off another source material manga.
+chavens50 No, all of the OVAs were based off the manga. It's just that OVA 3 was made years later by what I assume was a different company. They skipped a lot of content from the manga, though.
Allen Babylon
No, the 3rd OVA was made off the Amon The Apocalypse of Devilman manga, not the original Devilman manga.
***** The manga has a specific arc toward the end where the events of Apocalypse happen. Not sure what you're talking about.
6 years later, still no violence jack review. We're waiting, Sage.
He did "review" it. But it was taken down
In the original Japanese version, a lot of the dialogue that over explained anything were not in it. The English dub for this series was absolutely horrible.
But its funny.
As opposed to the violence jack dub, which is hilarious.
...I can't resist.
AKIRA. AKIRA FUDO.
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Oh of course it's my good friend Ryo! How the hell have you been keeping then?
The beginning when the angels where being eaten made me want to vomit.
I cried on that part...
Tony Davis
None had any sexual references?
metal87power No?
'cause I got, but mostly for the reason I used to watch a lot hentai including those that were too much perverted even for my own taste, but it happened to stand on my way to "normal" staff. ok, I'm making excuses, but you'll need to forgive me. :D
metal87power Eh, same here, I could stand some of the animated smut. Hell, I preferred animated pr0n for certain reasons instead of RL pr0n.
About the "why don't they use guns thing", I recently picked up an official translation of the 1972 manga (or at least I'm sure it's official) and while reading it I wound up reading a scene where akira asks ryo, why don't they just use guns, and/or a more effectively weapon? Where ryo replies that some of the demons are strong enough to withstand, or rival an atom bomb. Also, something they didn't mention say in the manga (or at least yet) is that it looks like the demons can pop out from almost anywhere, and I would not like to run out of ammo
when I have some demons trying to kill me. Ryo also mentioned that people are gonna refuse to believe that they're real if ryo and/or akira told them. And I probably said many things that are incorrect, or stupid, and if so, please let me know.
I thought this was historically accurate until the giant enemy crab popped up... Damn it all!
Ok so I find this funny as it seems that everyone is attacking sage on this one.(I am impressed it is actually well informed attacks however). Though it seems that since he didn't read the manga from what we guessed and that he watched the bad dub he didn't get it, so apparently this means that he should glorify it even though he is reviewing that specific version?
***** okay it's just confusing I mean isn't he reviewing things from a time period where dubbing wasn't at it's best and things would often get lost in translation?
***** Yet this was the video that was released AS IS in the US. THAT is what he's reviewing. Not to mention the fact that a lot of what he mentions still would work as huge flaws in the original.
Cyborg 009 vs Devilman was actually pretty good and the turtle demon fight was better in it.
I actually really liked it too. I thought the crossover would be weirder because of the blending between two different franchises, but I liked it. I can't wait for 2025 for Sages review.
it sure was although I wish they would do a remake of devilman anyways that would be great
seeing akira fighting all of those bastard demons >:) 😎
That's the only bit of Devilman media that I actually like.
Finally got time to peek at older episodes and I died at your blue screen. Amazing timing on that joke.
Nothing anyone can say will stop me loving Jinmen with all my heart, we first met when I was 14 and he is the GREATEST DUB PERFORMANCE EVER!
Jinmen, I salute you and your crazy voice and insane monologue.
Curious to see Sage's perspective on the new Devilman anime from Netflix.
Hes never gonna do that sorry
It’s too good for him anyway.
He did an Oldtaku, New Tricks review video on that
Spoilers: Sage wasn't a fan of that either.
This video is shameful. Literally EVERYTHING he said in the beginning, which basically amounted to "Devilman was made because 80s otaku were frustrated, socially awkward dorks who liked to have power fantasies about murdering people", was completely wrong in every way. He made up his own smug, prejudiced "headcanon" of what Devilman is and why it exists instead of spending a MINUTE doing a Google search to find out that
1. Devilman is based on a 70s manga
2. The manga is shonen and was made more for teenage boys than for nerdy adults/"otaku"
3. Devilman's message, if you actually experience the whole story, is one of the most anti-war ones out there.
This guy is a clown who lacks the most basic understanding of storytelling and animation but thinks he's a "cynical anime veteran sick of the bullshit" because he watched Manga Entertainment dubs in the 90s.
True but calm down.
KJ Setser I care about my interests enough to be a tad upset when someone makes a dumb video like this based on one of my favorite series,sorry
+buster beam so you admit that you're a whiny fanboy
557deadpool I'm not gonna act like I don't give a shit about a medium I've dedicated a good chunk of my free time to and that influenced me hugely as an artist, no. Sorry.
buster beam no one said you should, however, you're NOT going to defend this shit
OVERRULED GOOD SIR!!! He technically said that, "Only a demon can fight another demon." He did not say that only a demon could "kill" a demon. Killing and fighting have similar executions, but are not the same thing.
Funny thing is Devilman was originally a Shonen manga back in 1972. And for those who don’t know what Shonen manga or anime are , it’s a manga or anime primarily targeted towards teenage boys (12-18). Of course Shonen manga are “popular” with all demographics, but it’s targeted demographic are boys in their teens. Now most Shonen were bloody and violent in the 80’s and 90’s just as long as they weren’t over the top with too much gore. Well Devilman was over the top with gore and sex. And was then placed in Seinen magazines. Seinen is manga or anime for adult men.
Ryo is literally Satan
Hah funny
+Efren Alvarez
But it's not a joke...
SKtoys08 transformers and more
*LITERALLY*
Ok i'm waiting for the punch line
well ryo is Satan so yea all he was saying to have akira become a devilman was so he can be with him and not be attached to humans when he wipes them out.
Except that said plot point was never revealed in the OVA proper
Except that said plot point was never revealed in the OVA proper
I cant believe you cut the “wahey!” bit at the end of the line at 22:19 . This dub is a gem.
I cant help but wonder why Bennet didn't go into the full story of Devilman, including the Amon OVA
Christ. I autoplayed to this list while doing stuff. Good job on the weight loss
Well that intro made me question and feel awful about my existence
By the way in case anyone is wondering; Sirene the bird demon just stands still where it is...and dies, still standing where it is. Also Bennett yeah using copyrighted music on CZcams does suck!
she dies from the wounds, even the body she merged with was dying so of course she didnt have long
@@TheTetrap I only said that in case people thought Bennett was joking, he wasn't.
18:28 the 'riiight' was probably imitating the original line, which is probably just 'haaaai.'
Maybe it's a cultural thing but it's a common way for people in anime to respond to a strict instruction.
Doesn't make it less dumb.
You know to this day I find this to be Sage's most disappointing review, since I like Devilman. I think Devilman is an interesting story if you really get down into it, I'm not talking about the OVA, I'm talking about the 70's manga or hell even the old anime series made from it (though not as much that one). I found this review really disappointing when it starts off with the rant about Otaku culture instead of the history of Devilman. I get that Otakus in Japan and here in the states was, and still kind of is, a niche activity but that rant seemed better saved for his future Video Girl AI review.
Also I know that maybe that he was trying to look at the OVA as it's own thing, and the OVA sucks so I'm not defending his thoughts on it, but why is it for his 8-man After (the review before this) and his New Cutie Honey review he went into detail about their past interpretations and mediums but not for this. It just seems like he could've gone more in-depth with Devilman.
What's your thoughts on Devilman Crybaby
He's just talking about the OVA,which is a rather poor presentation of Devilman. Either just read the manga or watch Devilman Crybaby
I can see why you'd be disappointed in how he looked at part of a series, but Sage evolved as a reviewer, and I think he's much better now.
@@roboguy75 Love it, like I'm so glad it got made and the style of animation it went with while jarring at first lends itself into the story brilliantly. Though I do admit maybe 10 episodes was too short to really explains some things about the demon war.
12:38 took the words right out of my mouth. XD
One thing that really put me off as I just recently happened to watch latter one Devilman: The Demonbird - was the absolutely nonsensical weird and disgusting weapons used in it.... I have seen some weird and questionable weapons... but Siren and her... *'remote controllable - detachable - homing - missile - talon arms'*..... that just literally *DETACH FROM YOUR BONES AND MUSCLE TISSUE* can spin and cut like saw blades... is something i have *NEVER seen before ఠ_ఠ* - also the fact that by the two beasts "melting together" they mean *'I WILL LITERALLY TEAR MY OWN HEAD OFF SO YOU CAN SHOVE YOUR HIPS DEEP INTO THE RHEUMY BLEEDING GAP WHERE THE HEAD WAS A MOMENT AGO'* ....the gore and grotesqueness is just unnecessary
Fun Fact: This was one of a few animes that traumatized me.
When I was starting out the Anime Game, “ELFEN LIED” was one that traumatized me 😱
So, I don't know if this is just me, but there's some weird noises starting at 17:15 that remind me of the jump sound effect in an old video game or something. I don't know if there's something wrong with the transfer, or something went awry during the upload, but... yeah.
i got it too
I think they're from the "hitting the screen with the big book of morality" scene. and then edited into the wrong part of the video.
That's exactly what I thought.
I know, so distracting.
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Gonna have to disagree with you there Sage. Sure anime in the 80's and 90's had a lot to offer, but it also had a lot of shit to offer just like every other era of anime.
In the 80's and 90's it was overly violent schlock, in the more modern era it's more waifu bait.
But that does not mean that anime no longer has any magic to it or just can't live up to the standards of eras gone by. That is a very narrow minded way to judge the whole medium.
There's animes like Baccano! My Hero Academia, One Punch Man, Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood, Gankutsuou, Fate/Zero and Black Lagoon. Some of the best anime's I have ever seen, made in the later 2000's.
Anime is not trying to recapture an old light, they have discovered a new way of doing things. And I personally feel that anime is going through a different golden era. Sorry if your nostalgia glasses get in the way.
I really hope that this is one of the series Bennett takes a second look at, especially as he's seen Devilman Crybaby.
This OVA just covers the first volumes of the manga, the inconsistencies you mentioned aren't inconsistencies at all they are later explained.
Actually most of them are explained in the second volume of the manga and the ova, he just skipped those parts... wander why...