I love the end the scene with Fisher's saying goodbybe to the twins without any words. The body language and gestures of the actors were just amazing to express the moment.
I cry every time I watch this part. Val and the Fisher's were victims in this baby stealing/selling scheme. Harry knew deep down that the adoption was shady, but that's how much he loved his wife. And poor Sheila, after all her heartache from miscarriages, she finally had the babies she always wanted, and then lost them. The way her and Val interact with each other, not a word, just tears, it gets me choked up every time!
I fully agree with you. I do remember that some episodes later, I believe that Val gets a letter from the Fishers that Sheila is pregnant but I am not sure which episode it was. As I recall, Val was touched by this and very happy.
Keith Hunter You're right, Val does get word from them about their pregnancy. If I remember correctly, they send gifts for the twins on their first birthday, and a letter telling Val they're expecting.
Knots Landing always did have great storyline. Yes I do think the babys storyline was probably the best, but there was so many good story's. Remember when Hunt Block Peter was killed? Remember how the story was? Just A A+ show this was
Wow! What a wonderful scene. That's why Knot's Landing lasted on the air so long because it knew how to reach people's hearts with common(or uncommon) issues. Hoping for a reboot of the series.
another of Van Arks outstanding performances...her facial expressions and acting in this is brilliant...her face in scenes and her movements just says it all she never has to say nothing...brilliant!
I have never seen a more moving dramatic scene on television than when the Fishers say goodbye to Val's twins. No words in the last couple of minutes, just the music and flawless acting. I never understood why "Knots Landing" never won an Emmy Award nor why Joan Van Ark did not win one. There was no better drama on television in the mid-1980s. Thank you for posting the scene.
Keith Hunter Very well said. KNOTS did tons of these throughout their run. Just amazing show all around! Have you seen the clip of Van Ark at the ranch when she's told by Mack that Gary is dead? The ambulance pulls away and Van Ark chases after it screaming for Gary in disbelief as Mack runs after her? The scene is so real that it is actually painful to watch. It's on here somewhere. Now you talk about an Emmy performance.
I think Joan Van Ark and Michele Lee may have won Soap Opera Digest Awards in the 1980s but there was never any Emmy nominations, which was an outrageous oversight. I agree with you. The scene when Val finds out that Gary is "dead" while she is pregnant with his twins was very painful to watch, unbelievably gut wrenching and heartbreaking. I remember the original airing in March 1984. I thought Gary was really dead although I thought it was strange that his family from "Dallas" did not attend. That was fishy, and, of course, during the funeral Gary appears in a black shirt and we realize he was not dead after all. Great drama. I still miss the show even after 23 years.
I see this and know - we have just a limit of words to use. This sceen shows so much. All of these moments has one in common: The change during acting. Emphaty, love, pain, loss, sense of guilt....look to vals Mom. There is so much more than a word could express. Thank you for Upload
This scene is a great example of why "Knots Landing" was the best nighttime drama in the mid 1980s. The Fishers were collateral victims of the baby stealing storyline and it was in Valene's character to recognize their pain to and allow them closure even though it was painful for her as well.
As usual, the acting is first rate and the emotional layers of the scene are so intense. Julie Harris who conveys Lila Mae's guilt over abandoning Val all those years ago (and Joshua!). And Joan Van Ark channeling Valene's pain over being forced to give up Lucy. So much going on in this scene.
Joe Regalbuto is such an amazing Actor. He worked with Candice Bergen in Murphy Brown, played a Real Estate Executive in The Leona Helmsley Story and even played an Emotionally Abusive Boyfriend on The Golden Girls.
Yes, the family and friends are gathered for the twins' first birthday, and Val is reading the cards aloud. After reading one from Ben's Aunt, she begins to read the next card happily and then her mood changes and she stops. Ben takes the card from her hand and he continues reading it aloud, discovering the card was from Harry & Sheila Fisher. Val is clearly a little distressed, because it brings back those memories of the many months she was not with them and, frankly, Sheila Fisher's instability. Val looks down and Karen and Mack look a little somber as Ben continues to read the last sentence where Harry announces Sheila is pregnant. That news of course overcomes Val with relief and she does one of her classic happy/almost crying moments. Karen and Mack also smile with relief. And then the party continues. I nice way to put a finishing touch on the story line.
I agree! At the end of the scene with them opening the gifts, isn't that when Val opens the gift from Gary with him giving the twins 1/2 of Empire Valley? In the next episode Val goes to see Gary to return the gift and they have a great scene where Gary felt betrayed that she did not tell him the babies were his, and she still would not acknowledge it. I think Jill Bennett overhears this but it was another 2 seasons before Jill went psycho.
Joan Van Ark is amazing...she always made you feel. Didn’t expect to cry watching these olds clips. Wow. Was aware of Knots back in the day was more a Dynasty fan. Came to Knots around the crazy Jill time. I was a teen then & didn’t appreciate the nuanced acting, writing, overall quality at the time.
This aired in 1985 & is seriously such beautiful TV. I watched. I viewed this story on SoapNet years later. In 85 , I was 6. The production stood the test of time. I crying 22 years after I saw that return lol.
Watching this 5 years later I have to add, that I wish Val & The Fishers stayed in touch over the years & maybe had them on here & there. The Fishers did write to Val & let the family know they were finally expecting a child of their own.
THIS SCENE WAS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL!!!!!! THE WAY MRS. FISHER HELD VALENE HUGGED HER WAS FANTASTIC THAT WAS HER WAY OF SAYING "IM SOOOO SORRY FOR WHAT WE DID FORGIVE ME FORGIVE US".😢
As much as the twins are Val's You can still feel the pain from The Fishers. If this scene is still making fans cry imagine what powers can be if there was a reboot. I'm thinking about starting a petition to release the series on DVD or streaming services. Any suggestions
I vividly remember thinking that at the end of the scene while the heartbroken Fishers were going back to their car. the camera got a close up of Val,Karen&Lilli Maes faces to show their emphaty for the Fishers and lastly a shot of Joshuas' ice cold unfeeling expression..that the producers/writers were giving the audience a tiny glimpse/hint of the "real" Joshua emerging
Neat you got this from when this was on tnt's lunch box tv.When I stared watching it.Do you have the clip when Gary tells abby that he is divorcing her?
Wow! This scene is extremely touching! I never had a chance to watch this series but in my opinion, all the actors in this scene did a great job! Soap operas had a really good quality back then. I wish I could see this series and I wonder if it has been released on DVD. I loved Dallas, btw, and I know Val of this series was Lucy's mother.
This scene changed things without words. The "father" who says goodbye to the twins lovingly but with distance and the "mother" with all her emotions comes to the lady's. First Vals face shows distance, rejection, caution. -After all she was very strong in this scene. She said to her volks that they should stay calm. She stopped her mother to call the police, she stopped joshua to be a protector for her because she doesn't needed it. She talked to the "father" and was able to show emphaty.- A weak person couldn't do anything of it. Back the "mothers scene". In her pain she was looking for closeness and has given val a little hug. From mother by heart to real mother. Not to much and everything build on feelings for love for the twins. Very simple but also not easy to show, I think. Maybe in real situations but not if cameras and lots of people are on set. Great great acting.
This scene is just crazy good... No dialogue; and the back story being the separation/abandonment issues that both Lilimae and Valene had with their children in the past.
Sheila Fisher was equally a victim in this situation. She didn't know that the babies were adopted through shady means. Robin Ginsburg, who portrayed Sheila, also did an outstanding job in this scene where she conveyed the pain of bidding goodbye to the children. Unfortunately, Ms. Ginsburg's acting career was brief.
If you guys think Joan Van Ark is a fine dramatic actress you should see her doing comedy. She started in a short-lived medical sitcom called, Temperature's Rising with Cleavon Little and James Whitmore
Husband Harry Fisher was played by actor Joe Regalbuto. A year after his appearance on Knots Landing, we would be cast in the sitcom "Murphy Brown," which would be his biggest career success. Wife Sheila Fisher was played by actress Robin Ginsburg. Robin only appeared in minor roles in a few films and TV series, and I believe has been out of the spotlight since the 1990s.
@@executivedirector7405 It is interesting how people in show business can play for a while, then find something else they want to do and move on. It would make an interesting article about this sort of thing.
l always felt the writers should have brought Mrs..Fisher back in another season as a deranged lunatic. Her husband had died and she had a miscarriage and stole the twins from school. lt would have been a perfect cliffhanger when Valene gets the call that the twins were kidnapped by Mrs. Fisher..
I love the end the scene with Fisher's saying goodbybe to the twins without any words. The body language and gestures of the actors were just amazing to express the moment.
I think the same way
The most tear jerking scene on a tv series ever.
Very well written !
I cry each time I see this
🗣️Superb acting!
The best storyline from KNOTS LANDING - EVER!!!
Absolutely gut-wrenching when it first aired and it still is today.
Agreed
This made me cry, I felt Sheila's pain.
If this doesn't make you cry, you're not human...
That’s true, plus the scene was expertly filmed and acted.
It took alot of guts for him to go to the door..the empathy Val felt showed so clearly
What a fantastic actress Joan Van Ark is....she doesn't have to say anything...a true talent.
so much agree greg...do you remember the ranch scene when gary supposedly died? she was amazing in that scene!
I cry every time I watch this part. Val and the Fisher's were victims in this baby stealing/selling scheme. Harry knew deep down that the adoption was shady, but that's how much he loved his wife. And poor Sheila, after all her heartache from miscarriages, she finally had the babies she always wanted, and then lost them. The way her and Val interact with each other, not a word, just tears, it gets me choked up every time!
I fully agree with you. I do remember that some episodes later, I believe that Val gets a letter from the Fishers that Sheila is pregnant but I am not sure which episode it was. As I recall, Val was touched by this and very happy.
Keith Hunter You're right, Val does get word from them about their pregnancy. If I remember correctly, they send gifts for the twins on their first birthday, and a letter telling Val they're expecting.
***** That is the episode! I think that is the same one where Gary gives the twins half of Empire Valley for their birthdays.
Yep, that's the one! Ben wasn't too thrilled about that gift.
Knots Landing always did have great storyline. Yes I do think the babys storyline was probably the best, but there was so many good story's. Remember when Hunt Block Peter was killed? Remember how the story was?
Just A A+ show this was
Wow! What a wonderful scene. That's why Knot's Landing lasted on the air so long because it knew how to reach people's hearts with common(or uncommon) issues. Hoping for a reboot of the series.
2020 and my quarantined self is STILL sobbing over this scene
Same here
another of Van Arks outstanding performances...her facial expressions and acting in this is brilliant...her face in scenes and her movements just says it all she never has to say nothing...brilliant!
The final moments when Sheila Fisher hugs the baby, touches her face and then hugs Val... daaaamn that's sad.
This broke my heart.
I have never seen a more moving dramatic scene on television than when the Fishers say goodbye to Val's twins. No words in the last couple of minutes, just the music and flawless acting. I never understood why "Knots Landing" never won an Emmy Award nor why Joan Van Ark did not win one. There was no better drama on television in the mid-1980s. Thank you for posting the scene.
Keith Hunter Very well said. KNOTS did tons of these throughout their run. Just amazing show all around! Have you seen the clip of Van Ark at the ranch when she's told by Mack that Gary is dead? The ambulance pulls away and Van Ark chases after it screaming for Gary in disbelief as Mack runs after her? The scene is so real that it is actually painful to watch. It's on here somewhere. Now you talk about an Emmy performance.
+Keith Hunter Are you sure they never won anything? That's a crime an out and out crime!
I think Joan Van Ark and Michele Lee may have won Soap Opera Digest Awards in the 1980s but there was never any Emmy nominations, which was an outrageous oversight. I agree with you. The scene when Val finds out that Gary is "dead" while she is pregnant with his twins was very painful to watch, unbelievably gut wrenching and heartbreaking. I remember the original airing in March 1984. I thought Gary was really dead although I thought it was strange that his family from "Dallas" did not attend. That was fishy, and, of course, during the funeral Gary appears in a black shirt and we realize he was not dead after all. Great drama. I still miss the show even after 23 years.
emmy's were too busy rewarding hill street blues and st. Elsewhere.
I see this and know - we have just a limit of words to use.
This sceen shows so much.
All of these moments has one in common:
The change during acting.
Emphaty, love, pain, loss, sense of guilt....look to vals Mom.
There is so much more than a word could express. Thank you for Upload
Still brings a tear to my eyes
i remember this so well ahhh so sad the babies were vals but i felt mrs. fishers pain good acting;;;;
This scene is a great example of why "Knots Landing" was the best nighttime drama in the mid 1980s. The Fishers were collateral victims of the baby stealing storyline and it was in Valene's character to recognize their pain to and allow them closure even though it was painful for her as well.
Poor Val she's gone through so much
As usual, the acting is first rate and the emotional layers of the scene are so intense. Julie Harris who conveys Lila Mae's guilt over abandoning Val all those years ago (and Joshua!). And Joan Van Ark channeling Valene's pain over being forced to give up Lucy. So much going on in this scene.
van ark is astonishing..best show ever on tv!!
wow that was dramatic . Knots Landing forever.
Joe Regalbuto is such an amazing Actor. He worked with Candice Bergen in Murphy Brown, played a Real Estate Executive in The Leona Helmsley Story and even played an Emotionally Abusive Boyfriend on The Golden Girls.
Julie Harris was an amazing actress - the emotion in her eyes and gestures - that's acting.
2021 and I'm still bawling my eyes out
simply brilliant. 2019 and I'm still sobbing
Yes, the family and friends are gathered for the twins' first birthday, and Val is reading the cards aloud. After reading one from Ben's Aunt, she begins to read the next card happily and then her mood changes and she stops. Ben takes the card from her hand and he continues reading it aloud, discovering the card was from Harry & Sheila Fisher. Val is clearly a little distressed, because it brings back those memories of the many months she was not with them and, frankly, Sheila Fisher's instability. Val looks down and Karen and Mack look a little somber as Ben continues to read the last sentence where Harry announces Sheila is pregnant. That news of course overcomes Val with relief and she does one of her classic happy/almost crying moments. Karen and Mack also smile with relief. And then the party continues. I nice way to put a finishing touch on the story line.
I agree! At the end of the scene with them opening the gifts, isn't that when Val opens the gift from Gary with him giving the twins 1/2 of Empire Valley? In the next episode Val goes to see Gary to return the gift and they have a great scene where Gary felt betrayed that she did not tell him the babies were his, and she still would not acknowledge it. I think Jill Bennett overhears this but it was another 2 seasons before Jill went psycho.
+Keith Hunter Is this scene anywhere on You Tube? I've never seen it... :-(
+1965eroomdarb Do you have the scene that Keith talks about where Gary gives Val the gift....?
Heartbreaking 😭
DAMMIT why isn't this WHOLE series on DVD?!
Yes, that's mean behaviour to the fans.
I've been wondering the same thing. I have season 1 & 2 on DVD and been waiting years for the others to be released.
Bosita tv channel on CZcams has all 14 seasons full length episodes!
@@SaxonC Thank you, I will definitely have to check it out.
@@SaxonC thank YOU!!!
Loved this show! Wish they would air it again.
Joan Van Ark is amazing...she always made you feel. Didn’t expect to cry watching these olds clips. Wow. Was aware of Knots back in the day was more a Dynasty fan. Came to Knots around the crazy Jill time. I was a teen then & didn’t appreciate the nuanced acting, writing, overall quality at the time.
Van Ark ALWAYS accelerated a scene-she played Val so well and deserved so many emmys for her outstanding performances!
What a scene....... Wow !
This aired in 1985 & is seriously such beautiful TV. I watched. I viewed this story on SoapNet years later. In 85 , I was 6. The production stood the test of time. I crying 22 years after I saw that return lol.
Joe Regalbuto pre Murphy Brown
Watching this 5 years later I have to add, that I wish Val & The Fishers stayed in touch over the years & maybe had them on here & there.
The Fishers did write to Val & let the family know they were finally expecting a child of their own.
between this and Laura's funeral both brought tears to my eyes
THIS SCENE WAS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL!!!!!! THE WAY MRS. FISHER HELD VALENE HUGGED HER WAS FANTASTIC THAT WAS HER WAY OF SAYING "IM SOOOO SORRY FOR WHAT WE DID FORGIVE ME FORGIVE US".😢
Such a sad moment. I cry every time I watch this scene. It makes me sad to see the looks on everyone except Joshua's faces.
Shows Valene has a heart...great story line.
Notice the identical theme of the previous cliffhanger plays in the background. Stroke of genius.
This is so heart breaking watching the Fischer’s but yet sweet for valene!
Sad scene.
That’s so sad I feel for them 😢
As much as the twins are Val's You can still feel the pain from The Fishers. If this scene is still making fans cry imagine what powers can be if there was a reboot. I'm thinking about starting a petition to release the series on DVD or streaming services. Any suggestions
I vividly remember thinking that at the end of the scene while the heartbroken Fishers were going back to their car. the camera got a close up of Val,Karen&Lilli Maes faces to show their emphaty for the Fishers and lastly a shot of Joshuas' ice cold unfeeling expression..that the producers/writers were giving the audience a tiny glimpse/hint of the "real" Joshua emerging
Neat you got this from when this was on tnt's lunch box tv.When I stared watching it.Do you have the clip when Gary tells abby that he is divorcing her?
Wow!
Amazing!!!
This scene gets me every time.
Wow! This scene is extremely touching! I never had a chance to watch this series but in my opinion, all the actors in this scene did a great job! Soap operas had a really good quality back then. I wish I could see this series and I wonder if it has been released on DVD. I loved Dallas, btw, and I know Val of this series was Lucy's mother.
This was real tv 😂 got lost after the eighties and ninety's
tearjerking
And the tone in Joshua's voice when he said "No way" was a hint at what he was to become later..mean&abusive
At the end of this episode Joshua’s instability increases when he tells Cathy that Lilimae is dying.
This scene changed things without words. The "father" who says goodbye to the twins lovingly but with distance and the "mother" with all her emotions comes to the lady's. First Vals face shows distance, rejection, caution.
-After all she was very strong in this scene. She said to her volks that they should stay calm. She stopped her mother to call the police, she stopped joshua to be a protector for her because she doesn't needed it. She talked to the "father" and was able to show emphaty.- A weak person couldn't do anything of it.
Back the "mothers scene". In her pain she was looking for closeness and has given val a little hug.
From mother by heart to real mother. Not to much and everything build on feelings for love for the twins. Very simple but also not easy to show, I think.
Maybe in real situations but not if cameras and lots of people are on set.
Great great acting.
They don’t make scenes like this anymore.
This scene is just crazy good... No dialogue; and the back story being the separation/abandonment issues that both Lilimae and Valene had with their children in the past.
I loved this show.
A lesser show would have portrayed the Fishers as villains but "Knots Landing" was better than that and knew how to write nuanced characters.
Excellent point.
A fantastic scene.
So sad… 😢
Every…single….time…😭
Sheila Fisher was equally a victim in this situation. She didn't know that the babies were adopted through shady means. Robin Ginsburg, who portrayed Sheila, also did an outstanding job in this scene where she conveyed the pain of bidding goodbye to the children. Unfortunately, Ms. Ginsburg's acting career was brief.
If you guys think Joan Van Ark is a fine dramatic actress you should see her doing comedy. She started in a short-lived medical sitcom called, Temperature's Rising with Cleavon Little and James Whitmore
Was Alec Baldwin on knots landing!?
Yes, that's him.
Cm si fa a vedere in italiano
Does anyone know the actors' names?
Husband Harry Fisher was played by actor Joe Regalbuto. A year after his appearance on Knots Landing, we would be cast in the sitcom "Murphy Brown," which would be his biggest career success. Wife Sheila Fisher was played by actress Robin Ginsburg. Robin only appeared in minor roles in a few films and TV series, and I believe has been out of the spotlight since the 1990s.
@@executivedirector7405 It is interesting how people in show business can play for a while, then find something else they want to do and move on. It would make an interesting article about this sort of thing.
Who was at fault for this? Did the doctor sell the babies to the adoption agency?
l always felt the writers should have brought Mrs..Fisher back in another season as a deranged lunatic. Her husband had died and she had a miscarriage and stole the twins from school. lt would have been a perfect cliffhanger when Valene gets the call that the twins were kidnapped by Mrs. Fisher..
That's more of a trashy Dynasty plot twist. Knots Landing was classier.
@@richardgarcia618 Haha! So true.
😅
Should've had drunk Gary stumble in.