Why Do Players LOVE Cave Games So Much? Why the Hype? || Patreon Vid For RetroShmuper
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Cave just has the tight gameplay, is the equivalent to Street Fighter Alpha 3 - Third strike era Capcom, they just had the knowledge, execution, ambition, good ideas and soul
Can you help me to learn more about shmups?
Lots of great points here that I think are all completely true.
One major aspect that you *don't* mention for some reason, despite touching on their incredible consistency, and which I think probably plays a bigger role than anything else, is that they kept making this genre for over ten years after basically every other company stopped making them.
Cave were not just prolific, but they were prolific while NO ONE ELSE were. When Cave were at their strongest, there were no Psikyo, no Raizing, no Takumi anymore. They were simply *the only ones* for a such a long time during which the internet shmup community on the other hand was at its most active. It makes sense that they were impossible to ignore, when they were also the only source of genuine contemporary hype.
Oh my dude, that is a great point! You're right, they were the last dudes standing, which is even more impressive if you think about it. Man that's a great point. Ha if youtube allowed video editing I'd splice that point in ha. I'll try and bring it up in another video somehow X-D
The Electric Underground And they are technically still standing, considering literally every other company has either become functionally dead (Treasure, it's now Maegawa himself) or has folded/gone bankrupt/merged. I believe Cave has gone dormant due to them needing to face the reality of arcades: they are fundamentally changing, and dying out even in Japan albeit gradually. 2020 will hopefully be the year where they start making new things, and returning to their old self; if they were dead, then they wouldn't bother with ShotTriggers ports or having the official Twitch channel broadcast as often as it does.
If Cave was dead, then they wouldn't be doing anything...but it's obvious that something is still there in the company.
@@serraramayfield9230 Incidentally I feel like nowadays there's a big indie genre that Cave could easily attach itself to because it shares a lot of DNA with shmups: the super difficult roguelike - most games may of course differ in the mechanical details but there are IMO a lot of parallels eg with something like Dead Cells or Rogue Legacy - just like traditional shmups, the games can be hard as nails, you have to develop strategies and dexterity, and playthroughs tend to be short but constantly exciting and unforgiving. Now imagine a Cave shmup where you can collect permanent upgrades etc for reaching certain scores, or maybe there are multiple stage branches or different meta strategies - I could see something like that totally taking off even among more mainstream players.
- fantastic art style (always unique, detailed and colorful)
- intricate enemy placement that perfectly complements the complex, intuitive scoring mechanics
- the genre defining scoring mechanics
- gorgeous, smartly designed bullet patterns
- (SH3 generation) the infamous slowdown, that gives you that "near escape" feeling, that turns the games into such intense rollercoasters.
The only other dev i can think of with such impecable track record is Kojima Productions.
my reason why i love CAVE so much. simply because the music. it has a ton original+arranged+another arranged that not in game like Cave festival arranged, that all of them are banging real hard! Big thanks to Manabu Namiki who composed most of Cave tittles! honestly im a casual shmup player who can't do 1cc in the most Cave games (im always ran out all of my life stock right into stage 3-5 at a first loop if it has a loop). but the music keeps me play the game that bring me the actual fun of gameplay!
Thanks for the info!
This. I think I got back into playing shmups after the arcade days by just listening to Cave soundtracks (also a little bit of Touhou music, but mainly Cave.)
I just want all of the X360 CAVE library to be made available on Steam, same with M2's ShotTriggers games. Personally I love CAVE because they absolutely NAIL _game feel_ , only Nintendo "gets" game feel as well as CAVE does. I absolutely love CAVE and I'm sad their legacy is dying slowly... At least the devs have their own projects in Rolling Gunner and AKA to Blue, but it seems we're never getting a widely available version.
Btw Mark, I would love you to talk about the topic of elitism and isolation of the shmup community... It seems many of the old school clan are focused on not getting more people to play their games. Authoritarian/totalitarian management of forums online and even censoring any talk around emulation when there's no other way to play most of these games. No, your 2,200 used and banged up PCB is not a reasonable way to buy and support the devs, yet some of the old school people feel the need to invalidate others just to validate their own spending on PCBs.
Also wanted to point out you're doing exactly what I always wanted from the shmup community. You and Serflash are the closest people outside of this sphere can get to the depths of the genre and you both do things differently with approaches I enjoy. Keep up the good work, what you're doing for this community is second to none (and only Serflash is in your tier of approachability).
Btw, thank you so much for your work on ShmupArch, you don't know how much and how many people you're helping get into the genre.
Finally I wanted to suggest you create a Steam curator page, that way we get to follow new shmups in the scenes when we follow you there (same goes to Ser, both should do it).
Today I got raiden 3+4 on steam for only $1
CAVE's excuse is "we fear piracy" but the games are already done and just need porting
I started with Strikers 1945, and my first ventures into Cave games only took place this month when I bought Mushihimesama for Steam and tried out Dodonpachi on an arcade emulator along with Esp RaDe.
I appreciate the fact that Cave games, while also requiring a bit of memo, don't try to kill you in cheap ways like a random enemy popping up or a sudden barrage of bullets way too fast for you to react to. Although I would say that memo-heavy games are rewarding on their own unique way compared to the Cave style of inching your way around hundreds of bullets.
Finally, I agree so much with DDP being a combination of danmaku and also a bit of the classic shmup feel. I like that balance a lot, which is why I hope it gets ported sometime in the future.
Hater: Touhou is a shmup that only for lolicons because they are look like little girls.
Also hater: *play DeathSmiles*
me: touhou are shmups (mostly), with god-awful drawn cutie anime girls, masterfully crafted and unique danmaku, beautifull music and an fandom that i dont want to get involved with, most of the time
@@dadrising6464 No one told you to get involved with the fandom
@@dadrising6464 imo the art that's not too awful. that's an ~ a r t ~
This is ironic comment as CAVE is making Touhou game for now
@@dadrising6464 fuck fandoms, we need all the pew pew we can get
They put so much charm in their games, and I always love their scoring system.
For sure, the scoring in CAVE games is always really interesting.
I tend to look for doujin games with similiar quality to Cave a lot of the time. Doesn't mean that I don't buy games like Kamui which have a different type of flavor to it. But it is one of the reason stellavanity, akashicverse and valhellio are by far my favourite doujin shmups although the steam release of hellsinker sure pushed the game a lot. The devs or akashicverse even released demos of their next games united direction and scarlet grazers. and this one is very different to how they approached the games they released earlier.
yeah I'm the same way! I named CCWI the top game of the 2010's for the same reason, because it's basically a top quality Cave release (around the same tier as Ketsui and DOJ), but created by an indie dev, which is even more impressive!
I’m a casual player but I started with Cave. I love the design and detail in the enemy ships and bosses of the DDP series, Ketsui and Dangun Feveron. Also it may seem small but the explosion sprites they use with shrapnel flying off after you beat a boss or a medium sized enemy really adds to cave’s signature graphical style in my opinion. Even if you are not that great at their games, they are beautiful 2D works of art with pretty awesome music as well.
Yeah cave has amazing boss design
Switching between shot styles which is a feature of many Cave games can create a really satisfying feeling. In something like Futari it is especially so - for example - kill a big enemy with the laser and then switch to shot to suck up the gems - and then back to laser again... It just gives a certain feeling that is really satisfying. Their enemy wave layouts have a certain rhythm to them as well. Obviously there's the multi-layered scoring system with the risk/reward thing going on with combos, bee hunting etc that keeps the early levels interesting even if you are going for a survival 1-ALL in DDP say. DDP as a games series has evolved in a way that makes each game somehow familiar but new in a quite masterful way. The only other game series I can think of that has grown in a similar way is the 2D Super Mario platformer series. Each game can be played by someone new to the series, but someone who has played the previous games will feel at home while enjoying some new trick or mechanics that have been introduced. Add in excellent graphical art and soundtrack design and it's a combination that is hard to beat. You forgot to mention Muchi Much Pork and Pink Sweets. :)
I did! and Ibara too! After the video I was thinking, man ... I should have mentioned Ibara and mentioned it was basically a sequel to Battle Garegga ha. I do like your comparison to the 2D Mario series, where they are all rock solid, but for their own reasons. Like it's completely valid to like World best, or 3, or even Bros 1. Both series have a strange black sheep sequel as well (Mario 2 and DDP 2: Bee Storm). Coincidence ...? X-D
wow dude you get a ton of comments in proportion to your views, its good to see someone is still able to foster a sense of community on yt. especially for such a niche genre, it's nice to see someone making a lot of content for it.
Your user name makes me smile ha :-) Interaction with people is really important to me, as I do want to make these videos part of the discussion, so it does make me happy that people will comment on them and we can go back and forth on the subject matter. I actually think that's what makes YT a cool platform, so it is something I want to continue as long as possible :-D Thanks for watching man!
I find this hilarious that the background music gives off a romantic vibe
I m glad you appreciate that XD
Aka to Blue is a fantastic shum’up on the IOS. I can’t believe it’s not on any game systems. Definitely a game worth checking out for Shum’up fans.
Yeah, I really hope the arcade release makes it way somewhere like the Switch or PC. The game is really fun and well-made.
I hope people buy it, so we will have others...
Just bought the game. It plays perfect on iPad with a pencil. Better than any controller or stick.
This game is amazing. Thanks for the hint!
Most shmups.. pew pew pistol and enemy pops, CAVE ...huge satisfying death lasers and screen filling shots and huge enemy explosions
It feels satisfying just to fire the goddamn weapon!!!. Oh,, and the music!!!.
I really enjoy the cave games and the variety is great. I go through phases of each developer, currently I'm on a Toaplan kick, ever since I heard m2 were doing releases of the back catalogue, I had to dive in and go through their library. Hopefully the releases will culminate in Truxton II and Batsugun being released.
Absolutely!!! Toaplan games are really great and absolutely have an influence on Cave. Batsugun is one of my favorites. I really hope it comes out on Switch as well, so I can review it for Nintendo Life ha.
I couldnt stop looking at that clutch ass hibachi hahah.
But yeah, cave games feel good, look good and sound good so its understandable why they get so much attention
For sure, they are the whole package basically. Also, I'm glad you like it! I talk about the 2-all a bunch in my 2-all commentary, but I couldn't believe it when I got it, I popped off so hard I dropped my arcade stick ha.
I love the challenge in the series as well as the unique game mechanics such as chaining, understanding the high risk high return method, the unique arrange modes that are exclusive to the game itself that makes it so much fun to play. E.g. Espgaluda II arrange mode is crazy as with the bullet cancelling such as turning the shots into gems and then into gold when the player is in awakening over (insane with zetsushikai over).
There are so many favourites to choose from but my favourites were definitely the Deathsmiles series and the Donpachi series. I really have to dive into the ESPrade game soon!
Deathsmiles is a gem for sure!! Also, from what I understand it is the most commercially successful Cave shmup, which is really interesting considering the controversy that surrounded its release back in the day. I wonder if on some level the controversy boosted sales? Oh man ... that's a great video topic ha!
I like esprade, probably cuz im used to touhou style dodging
Can you help me to learn more about shmups?
I haven't even realized when I had over 70+ hours playing mushihimesama, it's insane how magical then feel after you get more discipline into the genre
Cave is a literal obsession. At one point I was $1000s deep in Cave PCBs. (have since sold everything) I will probably take Ketsui to my grave as all time favorite shmup if no one ever comes to claim the Cave throne. Cave does have something for everyone, space/sci-fi, military, moe, vert, hori etc. Every one of their games is a complete production from top to bottom, all aspects are cared for. When you said Psykyo I thought you were gonna say Raizing / 8ing :DDD btw, you can say "double vision" for my name :DD
Opa-Opa ketsui’s scoring isn’t too confusing. Basically the closer you are to an enemy when you kill it, the higher level chip it will drop. The highest level is 5 and that’s at nearly point blank range. Once you get the chip, you can use your focus shot to get that level of chip from enemies at any distance. So if u picked up a 5 chip and kill enemies with focus shot, they will drop 5 chips as well. The amount of high level chips you can get from killing enemies with focus shot is determined by a timer that starts after you collect a chip with your normal unfocused shot. Once the timer is over, you have to get another high level chip using your unfocused shot. Ok maybe it is confusing when you try to explain it lol.
TLDR
kill an enemy at point blank range with normal shot and get the 5 chip, then use focus shot to kill as many enemies as you can within 4-5 seconds. Rinse and repeat.
Opa-Opa ESPGaluda ll point system relies on canceling bullets in slow mode, fill screen then shoot the enemy who’s bullets filled up the screen.
Wow man! Owning all those PCBs is impressive! I'd love to have a DDP PCB, but decided not to even try because the emulation on ShmupArch is so solid I'd probably rarely play it (like my PGM bootlegs ha). The two PCBs I would love to own though (or have solid ports of in the future) are Ibara and SDOJ. Both are basically amazing games with horrible ports, sadly. Both PCBs though are absurdly expensive ha. My biggest hope is that M2 releases them properly in the future. Also I'll call you doublevision in future vids ha, but I think there are two more coming out where I refer to you as dblvision ha, I wasn't sure with if you wanted the letters or not so tried to play it safe X-D
@@TheElectricUnderground Ha no worries at all about the name, bro :D I never had SDOJ or Ibara PCBs. Ketsui, Mushi Futari, Muchi Pork, Raiden DX, Strikers 45' II, and Deathsmiles are what I had. While Ketsui is my overall favorite Cave shmup and PCB, Mushi Futari was hella fun. OMG that game is a rush to play on a sweet ass arcade cab. :DDDD M2 has to port SDOJ. That's def my most wanted port from them at this point. Glad they are doing the Taoplan ports, tho. I also would love to see Battle Bakraid.
@@NB-1 Lots of different reasons. Had to sell my arcade cab because of moving house. A guy at a local arcade offered me a good price for a couple of them and wanted to help him get the games out to a larger audience instead of sitting in a box, and I wasn't as serious about playing for score as I used to be. Aside from a couple games, the ports are fine and I'm hella happy that M2 is so active around the shmup scene now.
I wouldn't say Psikyo is necessarily lesser quality than Cave, but they were certainly much less creative. Psikyo games are fun, for sure, but between Strikers 1945 series/Gunbird Series/Dragon Blaze, I just feel like I'm playing the same game with different graphics.
On the rare occasion that I try to "convert" somebody or introduce them to shmups, DDP is my #1 recommend. I feel like it's very close to perfection. It's in that middle ground: Clearly modern bullet hell, but also has recognizable oldschool elements as well. I realize that DOJ is usually considered better than DDP, but I just don't quite get it.. I find DOJ unapproachably difficult, almost to the point of frustration.
Progear is one of my favorites, it's simply amazing. It's really the only shmup that I've ever really grasped onto and cared about the scoring mechanic, and have been able to get multiple extends which helped with survival. Also shoutout to Guwange and Dangun. Clearly a lot of experimentation going on around this time, and I think those games hold up really well. To be honest, I'm disappointed that there were so many sequels to DDP, it would have been really cool to have a Progear 2, Guwange 2, or Ketsui 2.
Yes, Psikyo is under-appreciated, even by me to some degree ha. I've actually been thinking a lot about covering more Psikyo stuff here on the channel soon (probably the beginning of next year). Also yes, shout out to Guwange, after I achieve my scoring goal in DDP (which I hope is soon), I'm going to being going for a big Guwange score!
@@TheElectricUnderground Go for it! I just had a random idea (I just worked all weekend and then stayed up all night last night, so I'm a bit random/loopy right now, lol), but wouldn't it be interesting if there was a Guwange style game but if you played it with a controller, you could control the floating/tethered thing with the right analog stick, at the same time as you are controlling the character.. and then maybe control the shooting with the L/R buttons. You could even have them shoot independently of each other, and the floating thing could lock its fire direction kind of like cybattler. Muahahahah
My entrance into the Shmup genre was the Psikyo collection and those are imo pretty neat games. Now I've played DoDonPachi and Mushihimesama and these games just feel so much more polished and well designed. I'm no game designer and don't know how the mechanics behind all this works, but I think Cave games have a smoother ship-responsiveness and the visual feedback when destroying enemies is much more satisfying.
I really like Cave output first half! Some monumental games for the genre that feel fresh and original in many ways while still somehow keeping that deep Toaplan roots. Also very nice you pointed out the accessibility to superplays for Cave games. When you want to go for score having easy accessibility to quality reference material is often an overloked factor!
Absolutely man! Also, your vid on the topic of the lynchpin games is on its way ha. In case you were wondering, I've just been doing as much research for it as I can ha.
Eh eh I am patiently waiting man! I know it is quite a difficult topic to properly develop since it require a comprehensive knowledge of the genre, but I feel confident you'll smash every expectation :D
I gave Cave a chance during the 360 era (previously I generally only stuck to older shmups) with the XBL version of Guwange. Still holds up to being one of my fave games. I love the DDP series and Ketsui but my fave games were DeathSmiles, Espgaluda II and Mushihimesame.
Anything popular will always get hate. In my opinion if your not hated by a few... you're doing it wrong. I love Cave, but can also admit there are developers just as good if not better.
cave games are some of the best of the genre.
thats why there is so much hype .
its simple like this 😎
Nailed it!!! :-D Thanks for watching my dude :-)
Unmatched levels of quality and OST's are typically rly good imo
I came back to this video after a session of playing various schmups on Mame and when you play a Cave game just next after trying an other Studio schmup, the difference is obvious: Cave games are just so engaging, always keeping you on your toes, never boring, gorgeous and with this awesome feeling of destroying tons of ennemies while dodging even more bullets.
It just feels so great!
For the first two stages then I get frustrated by the difficulty 😅
But I will commit and maybe one day I will 1CC Death Smiles or Mushihime Sama!
>Cave vs psikyo
a big f in the chat for toaplan
I remember when I used to argue on the CAVE vs Touhou front, it was a very silly time. DFK/Resurrection will always be my favorite CAVE game entirely because of Arrange A, something about that mode really clicked with me and I lost a few years to it. It was so wildly different from anything I had played at the time and it really leans into what you were saying with the variety that they provided in their games.
it was the mode where you looked like DOJ type A and had a normal and power mode. normal mode hypers milked hits when they you shot enemy bullets and power cleared the screen. you'd fill the screen with bullets then hyper and shoot until you were boxed in and quick swap between power and normal to stay alive and get more hits
My dude! You should check out the channel of Daringspino 34, who has a comment on this video. He is currently the world record holder of Arrange A and has a killer video of it (if you haven't seen it before). :-D
Cave Rules. I'd like to see someone do a video with a comprehensive history of the company and its releases.
I think there is a video about that already. they had like 24 releases and were at the edge of becoming bancrupt several times.
Oh man ... I am going to make that video!!! That's a great topic!
Jacktheavenger 40/50 releases in total. If you count ports and re-releases the number easily breaks 60/70.
Love this. Thanks
Simple, CAVE has Shotia, the best girl ever.
:-D But what about Exy?! X-D
@@TheElectricUnderground She is overrated Ten D
@@TheElectricUnderground she went completely psyco
Psikyo has the best shooting girl - Koyori [Sengoku Ace]
Funny what you say about the Touhou appeal of Deathsmiles, since that is the reason it's the only Cave game that doesn't appeal to me at all.
Also what you didn't mention: Additional to the actual gameplay, every Cave game soundtrack is absolutely on point and adds an additional layer to the gameplay.
Oh man, yeah I did forget to mention the music! Don't worry though, I got something on the horizon all about that subject! ;-D Also, in regards to the moe appeal of Touhou, what's strong about Cave (as opposed to Touhou) is that if you don't like moe, the studio has a bunch of other games that offer different styles, but if you do they have Deathsmiles, which does appeal to that demographic. So Cave puts out a good variety of styles. :-)
@DPop1979 You shouldn't compare Touhou and Cave in this part. Modern Cave games have very blatant and annoying fanservice while Touhou games have no sexualization at all (Tasofro games may have it, but just a bit).
in cave games the enemies try to not hit you even if they spray the screen with bullets
I'm a CAVE Baby🎃
Great vid, thankz Yo! When the some of their catalog 1zt showed up on iOS i wuz super golden stoked to try them. To be able to carry a CAVE Videogame in my pocket to play at anytime wuz very welcomed. AKA To Blue & WASi303 needs awards 4realz❗️
Well said. Thanks
Coming from a fighting game dude … Cave to me … is the shmup equivalent of ArcSys…. Capcom & SNK defined the 2d FG genre, but then during the mid 00’s, when the originators abandoned 2d spritework and all went polygon 3d, Arc sys basically stood on the timeless art style of the Street Fighter Alpha series, and the Street Fighter 3 series, and the Marvel versus & SNK versus series … and evolved it with higher resolutions and better sprite detail and newer additions to the classic style.
Cave catered to a dying niche that the larger industry totally abandoned, and fully commited to it during a dark period, showing an obvious and pure devotion, which was rewarded by the community, with the respect that commitment deserves.
Now with many classic arcade genres coming back with a vengeance (beat ‘em ups, 2d fighting games, run ‘n gun, etc), I think we will see plenty of contemporary titles in the next decade, with classic 2d shmup gameplay & beautiful, non-spaceship, 4k/120hz graphics
I used to be addicted to slot machines. Cave games satisfy whatever I was getting from playing slots.
Great video👍I'm an old school R type coin op player and I'm starting to get in to shumps and cave games totally awsome👍
Thanks my dude!
Gary Holland, Do you mean that R-Type isn't a shmup? :D
I haven't been able to fully enjoy any Cave games that I've played. I can totally see their appeal and I love the art style as well, but for me they just don't do it. I've never really cared about scoring, so for me I always had a slight preference for the older games that seem to be more about surviving through until the end. I am a big Touhou fan though, and Touhou 6 was the first shmup I ever 1CC'd
I can understand that my dude :-) I can definitely feel where you are coming from. I kind of get the feeling because you like Darius Gaiden and Touhou that one day the Cave catalog will grab you :-D Especially something like Futari!
@@TheElectricUnderground if only futari would be easier to get a hold of... :/
(not in the financial situation arm to drop several hundred on an japanese/moded x360 + game)
i'd kill for a proper m2 port of futari or espgaluda 2
I feel like having commentated runs be a feature in the game itself would be a great way to address the problem you mention at the end of the video, as well as to give genre newcomers some insight into the depth and purpose of the game. Have it be an unlock you get when you see the ending of the game, regardless of the continue amounts- either the developer commentates their own run, or they commentate with a playtester who did the run STG Weekly style. Or maybe you have multiple such commentated runs to address whatever level of play the player is currently at, so as to not spoil certain strategies and/or secrets for them. Maybe you have that run already loaded up in whatever leaderboard you set up right from day 1.
Showing off the way your game is meant to be played, the advanced strategies possible within it, and establishing the score to try and beat in the game. Exact numbers are arbitrary, but beating a strong score sets a clear standard of skill.
This is like asking why someone would prefer eating a high-quality steak over a canister of SPAM. It's the best and nothing else even comes remotely close. Not even a little.
Hell yeah!!
Speaking of Psikyo i always thought they leaned a bit more innovative than cave, Cannonspike (or gunspike) is one of my all time favorites from them but it's far from a pure shmup... they also did that horizontal 3d shmup called time something that had some interesting lock-on mechanics... i wish shmups market was more sustainable, i find them far more interesting than about 90% of the stuff that comes out now. anyway love this channel keep up the good work!
Cave def makes my favorite shmups
I like Cave games not just for the gameplay, i like a lot their music and Characters. To me something strange about the Cave fandom is thar nobody talks about Ibara, i don't know why i, is a cool game too.
nobody talkin bout manabu namiki
And now they're working on a Touhou game.
It's a gacha. Still, play it and weep.
Just wait till you have to start wiping with paper plates
Ha no kidding, no extra paper plates right now to even read off anymore
Easy, they had the passion for the genre, years of past industry experience prior to founding Cave, a staff made up of some of the most talented STG industry veterans and then continued to execute for nearly 17 years.
Also, Cave seems to have had a much higher willingness to experiment with design, gameplay and art direction, while staying true to the STG formula at the core.
I think you have played too much dodonpachi and slightly lost your perspective if you think dodonpachi does not have too many bullets. If you don’t know how to herd them one has no chance. I watch your runs and think how crazy hard it looks. I agree with caves output. They are almost akin to a band pumping out hit after hit with something to suit everyone . Amazing. Ps .. I did not get a reply to my other comments, did you play dodonpachi maximum yet?. I’d love to hear what you think and lastly, I have come to realise that shmups are all about score, you would not play a football match and not keep score, scoring makes the games 10x deeper and more satisfying imo. I could write paragraphs but I better stop lol.
It is likely all my hundreds of hours playing DDP have warped my perspective ha! I played the game so much I had dreams about beating hibachi. Sorry I missed your comment in the other video, let me know what video it is and I'll go back and respond. I haven't played Maximum yet, but I am considering do a reviewplay of it, because it's lesser known. Thanks for watching!
The Electric Underground Maximum is cheap on the App Store and well-made for beginners...would love if you gave it a review.
Raiden 3+4+5 all good
Could it be said that Cave saved the STG genre?
Either way, we fucking love Cave!
They def boosted it!
Cave is the best company for bullet hell games. Everything in their games is well refined (sound, music, etc). People tend to love Bullet hell games because they give a false sense of big difficulty and accomplishment. lots of bullets, but all slow. It is not about reflexes, it is about methodical pixel dodging. I like bullet hell but i prefer a good classic shoot em up with fast bullets. Cave games tend to be similar. the big exception is dangun feveron. Love that game is the perfect cross between bullet hell and classic shoot em up.
I thought this was going to be a video about exploring caves :(
anyone play the mushihimesama puzzle game? from cave?
I thought the black sheep from cave was Ibara but the black label elevated the original game to be on par with the others
Oh yeah black label is really cool
i can see why the cave hype is for some not cool. because cave 360 games are for some collectables like amibos 😅.
a shelf item
i never understood that :/
For sure, it's downright tragic! Like I've wanted the Cave shooting collection for a really long time ... but it's a collector item and insanely expensive because of it.
I Love Cave Shooters since they released Dodonpachi and Akai Katana in Germany.
I saw that Cave make new Shoot em ups for Android and iOS, but you can not download them, when you arent live in Japan, they released a Game named DonnPacci, but i cant find any Gamescenes from this Game, does Nobody play this Shooter?
I wish there was a way to accuratly buy cave games without buying the pcbs. Way outta my financial reach.
Even when you own them, it's a constant source of stress how much money is tied up in them, and their maintenance. I've gone back to the ports.
@@NB-1 Yep with you there, the 360 has all of them. As a shooter fan i have every game released on 360, shmups wise and most were Cave.
360 seems like a great console for Cave ports, Ketsui and Akai Katana are what I would get first. It's a shame Ibara only came out on PS2 and is possibly the most expensive game on that console. Still a good port however.
I know! You can buy the ports and the PGM bootlegs, that's what I've done. I'd love to have an Ibara, DDP, or SDOJ PCB, but they are absurdly expensive! Maybe if I ever become a rich highroller, I'll get them instead of a fancy car ha.
I still don't get it tbh. I like playing Cave games a bit but it feels like there's just nothing to them beside evading bullets. The shooting itself takes too much of a backsit. And I know from this channel that it's not always true, but it still kind of is. I will always prefer old school shmup, where the level design, weapon systems, shooting systems are much more rewarding to use, see, understand, and master.
the donpachi games look cool but the story is super messed up
That s what makes the story awesome ha
What's the name of this game cuz I didn't look at the whole video 🎮🕹😀👍🏾
Most kiddy people say, Bests shumps are Radian Silvergun and ikaruga, buts Cave shumps was States gods of genre!! Are shumps pure for mens strong
Absolutely cave are beasts!!
They had made some of the best videogames of all time, but CAVE as a company frustrate players by not making their games available in any logical consistency. As the PS4 starts to wind down for the PS5, only 3 CAVE titles have appeared on it. To play their games officially you have to have a graveyard of consoles and PC's lying around. Unless you bother with MAME, which means they don't get paid. I've given up believing they will ever get this right, coming nearly 8 years after their last proper shooter was released.