Prelude VTi-R vs Accord Type S - H22 vs K24
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- Today I compare my 2006 Honda Accord Euro 6MT with a 1997 Honda Prelude VTi-R 5MT. Let's see how the OG "big block I4" compares with the new one!
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CL9 Modifications:
- ECU Reflash
- Custom Cold Air Intake
- PLM Headers
- Yonaka 2.5" Catback Exhaust
- DC5 Type R Gearset
- Hawk Performance Brake Pads
- Tein S-Tech Lowering Springs
- Sparco DS1 18x7.5 +48 Wheels
- 225/45R18 Bridgestone Potenza RE003's
- Flow Designs Australia Lip Kit
- Type S Grille
- Euro R Shift Knob
- Modulo Sports Kit and Spoiler
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:14 Exterior
0:41 Engines
1:11 Interior
2:52 Rolling Races
3:22 Prelude Driving Experience
5:45 Accord Driving Experience
7:41 Conclusion
Thanks for Watching! - Auta a dopravní prostředky
5th gen Preludes are such timeless beauties to look at and one of my favorite Hondas to own - I had both the Base and the SH models (US spec). The SH was great because of the ATTS sending more torque to the outer wheels giving it RWD-like characteristics during cornering. By far my favorite generation out of all generations released.
Yeah I reckon the 5th gen was when they finally got it right
Even better is a base model with an LSD. ATTS adds weight and a solid percentage of failures and issues. Many people delete it for that reason. I have cornet balanced Eibach suspension on my base model and I can actually get the rear to step out in sharp corners when I throw the car into them hard enough.
@@jordanjoestar8839 , agreed regarding a Base with an LSD - essentially the SiR S Spec model sold in Japan. Those were my main pet peeves of the ATTS. Great system otherwise, as it is the precursor to the SH-AWD equipped in Acura's mainstream models
@@jordanjoestar8839ATTS is actually lighter than an LSD from what I have read, the computer having a chance of going out is the main issue with ATTS compared to LSD
I miss my 97 Vtir Prelude. It's long gone now but remember when I took it for a test drive before I bought it. Was the first time I've ever driven VTEC and wasn't expecting too much as it's an NA engine, but when I felt it engage... the pull along with the scream, I instantly fell in love with it.
Oh yeah man same here
Mine is not new but I can relate to your feeling.
Great review, been waiting for this for months now. Recently just bought myself a 4th gen prelude.
Nice!
Great Review mate. Really enjoyed the comparison.
Pleased to hear!
Great review! I remember these were about 47k new in Australia, lot more than your WRX but seeing the build inside it kinda makes sense!
For sure man, wrx's have always been cheap...
Great video!! Really love the comparison. I’m stateside and have owned a ‘97 5 speed EGP and 2001 Milano Red Type SH which I still have. So I had this vid on the TV and I told my wife, I love the Eucalyptus Green Pearl on your car. She thinks I’m nuts and that it’s dark gray (which was never a factory color). Please set the record straight for us 😂😅
Just checked in our Honda system this morning and yep! Definitely Eucalyptus Green
Ahh the memories.. I had a ‘97 Type S Prelude with the carbon suede interior, red top H22A and ATTS to suck it around the corners.
Very nice!
wouldn’t it be a H22Z1, i have an ATTS and the red tops only come with the Z1’s
@@calvinnguyen5182 No it was a H22A red top 217hp in the JDM Type S
Finally lol asked for this last year!!!! Miss my UKDM prelude 2.2 red top, awesome car
Got it done finally!
I owned 5 Preludes from 1983 through 1992. All were a pleasure to drive, and they felt precise and a bit special. I test drove a brand new '97 Lude, and everything was smooth as butter, and I loved the low hood visibility. Even though these cars were not really powerful, you could have fun using all of the power and handling they offered.....great examples of old school Honda engineering.
Oh yeah absolutely - driven a 4th and 5th gen lude and they're awesome
Been waiting for this review actually was considering picking up an accord euro before i bought the lude. It's exactly what you said in the video. Made me reconsider my shitbox again haha. All the best and great review. If you come down to Aus somehow with your car, would love to definitely cruise around!
Doubt I'll bring the car over but if I'm in aus I'll let you know!
Love your vids from Japan!
Thanks!
I have a 97 type sh and I absolutely love it, so smooth, amazing car to drive and it’s quite fast for a 90s Honda, but overall a blast to drive and it is literally perfection in my mind
Oh yeah man so good aye
actually owned a prelude 5th gen for about a year or so, got rid because of parts being so scarce and one or two reliability issues that I was getting irritated with . they lovely cars and looking back I should of put up with it more . everything in this video is spot on , if you got a small family it's like the ideal sports car , one thing for everyone to note and maybe takes a few people by surprise is how looong the front end is . still a superb car and doesn't get the credit it deserves .
Yeah man it's very lovely
My request has been fulfilled ! You knocked it of the park with this one ! I think that the prelude and accord are the go to hondas! It would be fun if you can show us some Del Sol 😉! I'm waiting! Jokes aside , keep up the good work 👏 !
Got it done for ya bro! Even put it out a couple weeks early coz I knew you were keen haha
@@KiwiCarLife You got it done for me as well! I have these same 2 cars, and they have simular mods! Lol I have had my BB6 for 21 years now, and my CL9 for 9 years. 😊 Only difference in your review, is that my Prelude with the H22A, M2B4 LSD trans, and so many other mods, is faster, than my TSX, although it would be CLOSE. The TSX is pretty quick, and the more I mod it, the slower my Prelude gets. 😂🤣
@@Kantoh22 Haha yes eventually the K24 catches up... it's certainly a more competent engine in the long run but the H22 is more characterful
no no no, you need the traditional CRX, not the del sol. massive difference in weight, the crx weighs nothing I had a flat battery for about a month and use to clutch start it myself, was quite easy.
@@KiwiCarLife Much appreciated 🙏.
Few years ago Had a 99 prelude SiR red top h22a swap LSD 5speed manual , it was a awesome car with a few mods and it was pretty fast, miss that car , and the VTEC scream is one of the best when doing hard pulls always leaves a smile on your face every time. Cool review brings back memories 👏, maybe can do a type S/spec S prelude gen5 next time if you can find one.
Mmm yeah Type S prelude would be cool... I do know someone with one so might be able to tee that up
@@KiwiCarLife cheers bro , keep them rolling awesome content. honda All day
Yes, finally! Great review kiwi! Maybe it’s time to get a prelude with your accord ;)?
Hmmm maybe!
2point2turbo is a cool channel from some dude running a turboed h22. Big power. Great roll races and shenanigans.
No affiliation.
Oh yeah nice
Great video as always mate! However, I don’t know if I can agree with you saying 90’s Hondas are lacking interior quality. For their time they were amazing! 90’s Hondas paved the way for their reputation of being the BMW of the east. But either way, different strokes for different folks! I owned a top of the range, 2001, Vti-R Prelude and absolutely loved it! Vtec came on hard thanks to the H22 and the steering and handling were both very direct through the back roads. Had the dicky beige leather interior though which was a nightmare to try and keep clean.
Might have been good in the day (I agree with that) but 25-30 years removed? Different story. That said, the BB6 Prelude and CD5 Accord have been the two exceptions. Both felt really good inside even despite the age. But 90's Civic's and Integra's I've been in or driven are too old, cheap and rattly for me.
@@KiwiCarLife well to be fair the Civic was the affordable compact car of the time and the Integra was based off of the Civic. So no surprise the interiors of the two don’t quite hold up to the Accords, which was always way ahead of its Japanese competition. I owned an EG and CD5, both 94 models and both of them leaps and bounds beyond other manufacturers equivalent vehicles of the same time frame.
My 2 Favorite Hondas ever made 😁
Yuuurs
@@KiwiCarLife iv owned 1 cl7a. CL9 and Now the CM1
And 2, 5 gen preludes
1 bb9 and 1 bb6
@@hondamanvtec2894 very nice 👍
Just picked up my 2008 nz new accord . Manual.. And its even better better than you said... What a great car.. As you have said, its a real drivers car... Handling is better than good. Thanks for recommending this car..
Great to hear!
@@KiwiCarLife can you recommend a good clutch?. Its done 200k on the clock and needs doing..
This really makes me miss my -97, had 220hp JDM swapped with bolt ons and shortest gearbox, hearing that proper VTEC shift and intake roar gives me chills. Maybe the neighbour is making something out of onions... good memories.
Haha yuuurs
Still the luckiest deal of a car ever, got it cheap because it got a problem stalling frequently with green key light blinking and the owner thought it was gonna be expensive. I just replaced the ignition switch for few dollars, you know how it blinks the light few times after you turn the key to 0.
@@Pottunuija yeah that's easy as
I have a near mint 2001 Prelude,5 speed,leather interior. It was built in October of 2001 so it’s probably pretty close to one of the last ones ever built,I would like to find out for sure. Hardly ever drive it so it still looks almost new. Greetings from British Columbia
Awesome car man!
Nice video and comparison. The prelude is still an under dog in the Honda community especially the fifth generation but still a well rounded car overall.
Yeah agree
My brother and his friends were all super into cars when we were younger, I never really understood it. Yes cars looked cool etc, but I didn’t really care, and they were into mostly JDM.
I’d stalk Facebook Marketplace looking around for a car that caught my fancy, and ticked all my boxes per say.
This went on for about a year to see if I could find that same enthusiasm that my brother and friends felt, and that’s when I found my first Honda Prelude 5th Gen on marketplace. At that point I too started to understand that enthusiasm that other people felt towards car culture etc.
The Prelude is still one of my dream cars and it’s cool to see them get some attention and love 🙏
Yeah man they're pretty cool cars
My favourite Prelude is the shape before this one. Trouble is finding a mint condition example.
This one however is very nice.
The one before this has a very cramped interior
Defo
@@paul--b I'm 6'1 and I fit perfectly fine and have space to move the seat back more if needed. Not sure what you're talking about.
@@TheBb6prelude Car and Driver 1997 Prelude review “Interior room has been improved so that the rear seats-unlike those of the previous model-are genuinely usable by adults for short trips. We discovered this when our six-foot-two photographer occupied the rear seat for some down-the-road shot and then declined the opportunity to return to the front seat for the rest of the trip.”
I'm a 4th Gen owner since 1997 and the body style looks much better to me, particularly with tasteful ground effects. The back seat, however, is much more cramped and basically unusable except for small children and packages (I've always thought of my Prelude as a grownup CRX, which I also used to own). The front seat space is essentially the same.
I had x3 cl9 accords and 1 bb6 prelude. You are spot on about them both. Only gripe was your 2nd rolling race. Did he miss shift? The h22 has just as much potential as a k24. Those motors are proper
Potential yes, but remember mine is heavily modified now. That prelude (because it's stock) only makes about 110wkW, mines making over 150. So mine will absolutely destroy it if we both are in the right gear. First race I was 1 gear higher and I still kept up
Finally - H series 💪💪 Now time to get your hands on a G23 ❤❤
G23? I thought there was only the 20 and 25
F23 bottom end, K20 pistons, H head. Often referred to as a G (because its between F and H) Similar to B20 with B16/B16 head swap
@@AverageInspirationNZ oh right I thought you were referring to the 5 cyls
@@KiwiCarLife I'm building a 700ho G23 right now. I'll post when done.
You should check out the 3rd gen Prelude... It's even better than the 5th. It has very short gears and handles so well (even without the 4WS), that it makes you feel like the car is an extension of your body and mind. It's almost a supernatural feeling which I've never had in any other car, not even in supercars, with the only exception of the original NSX.
No h22 tho
I bought a 98 prelude motegi as a bangernomics project, with a plan to sell it on for a profit after 10 years. 13 years on I can't find it in me to let it go. I know I'll miss it....
Oh that’s epic man! Nice car
Great video mate, I miss my prelude, is that one for sale 😃
Thanks and unfortunately no because it's part of Honda NZ's collection now
Does the K24 have as much aftermarket support as the k20?
Is the H22 in the prelude as durable and have similar aftermarket support?
I've seen both head to head and it looks as if the k24 has less aggressive cams.
Which has the strongest rods and pistons ?
K24 has more aftermarket support than k20. People mod the 24 way more due to extra displacement
You can install a Junsun radio in the accord works really well one of my friends has one. Also looks way better then stock
Sorry man but those garbage android tablets people stick on their dashboard are just awful in my opinion... get an FM transmitter and a phone mount.
@@KiwiCarLife Fair enough. I did have alot of problems with fm transmitters
I love my 5th gen Prelude, I have one with a built H22a4 and a Jackson Racing supercharger, it’s an incredible car to drive. About 280hp at the wheels, 2800lbs give or take
Goodness that’d go well!
Hey Liam, can I ask where you got the keyring with your rego number on it from?
plategame.com.au
that euro/jdm spec hvac controls in your car is such a flex on us usdm
@@yeeztodge6654 yuuuuurs
I've owned both. Nice.
Lovely vehicles
Would love to see a cl7 vs cl9 battle, to see if the base model accord is really that bad because the cl7s are cheaper than cl9 (at least here in finland)
Need to get my hands on one... not too common here
I bought my 5th gen Prelude 1.5 years ago. LOVE IT TO BITS! Mine didnt come with the H22 engine like this video, but with a F20A4 single cam non VTEC engine. Makes a bit less HP but still a BLAST to drive. Also, not all 90s Hondas are rattly and uncomfortable. I also have a 1996 Honda Accord CE7. While it has a bit less HP than my Prelude, its very comfortable and is set up for normal daily driving. Look into that one if you like! Anyways, im actually building a K24A3 to swap into my Prelude. Why? Cuz i got jealous at the H22 Preludes with their fancy VTEC. Cant get those engines in good condition over here, so i got the next best thing :P
Nice man!
Definitely the BB6 all the way. Cool vid bro
It's an awesome car!
@@KiwiCarLife agreed, I love my BB6. Don't think I'd ever part with it
I still have my prelude which ill be driving daily soon.
Nice!
The Prelude S Tier on your all time ranking? Love these 5th gens but hard to find a manual these days
Ooh yeah gotta be up there they're epic cars
Hello Liam, how would a fifth gen Prelude compare to the 4th gen BB1 Prelude from a quality and driving experience POV? I like the styling of the 4th gen a whole lot better.
5th gen is quite similar to drive but way better build quality and interior. 4th gen is weird looking imo
4th gen is much closer to 50/50 weight distribution. Lighter and faster in any way of comparing. As styling everyone has their taste
@@endlesstwisties Thanks a lot mate! Salutari din Targu-Mures! M-am abonat
@@KiwiCarLife Thanks a lot mate!
@@Edgar_84 ai Prelude si tu ?
how do you keep fog out of your headlights?
I don't haha
Owned the US version of both of these. Had my H23A-swapped 5th gen Prelude for 8 years now, and dailied a 6MT Acura TSX for about a year. I ended up trading the TSX in for an Acura TL (slightly larger, based on the US Accord and has a 3.7 with AWD) to daily instead. Neglected the Prelude for a few years while I played with 2JZ Toyotas. Decided those weren’t for me so now I’m getting back into the Prelude. Anyone want a twin turbo Aristo?
Nice!
@@KiwiCarLife the Accord is a more livable car, roomier, more mod friendly, but it’s missing something that the Prelude and other 90s Hondas have. I’d love to own a CL1 but they’re not legal in the US until mid-2025.
I had a 5th gen prelude, besides eating oil like crazy, it was a great car. 2nd gear was a bit too long though. Unless you really really hammered 1st gear you would slip out of vtech when going into 2nd
Yeah as with most 5 Speed Hondas. Good car tho!
The best thing one can do is changing the gear box. U2Q7 with LSD for European Accord Type R is the best I think. Short gear ratios and a short final gear. A 5th gen with this gear box accelerates way better.
I heard the h22 is very underrated when it comes to the swap, ihave a 99 civic ex & trying to put in a h22!
Yeah it's a great engine!
I'm sure the fat 5s came on eg civics and mb6 vtis civic in the uk. different looking wheel 😉
Yeah they did, but Honda had quite a few 5 spoke wheels back in the 90's
If the prelude had similar mods which would be better ?
Probably the prelude - just coz it's lighter and feels a bit less cumbersome. Even just a better set of tyres would improve the prelude in this vid enormously
@@KiwiCarLife I don't think so. Prelude is awesome, but still only 100kg lighter than accord. Engine wise, k24 has a lot more potential than H22a. And in terms of chassis, keep in mind you only have springs with stock suspension ... And already have a very competent behaviour. Serious accords preparations usually have: coilovers, rear and front stability bars, poliuretan silent blocks, and a lot of various reforcement bars along the chassis, and of course, LSD. an accord with that is a serious weapon. 4gen prelude are a more serious rival in terms of chassis, which are, practically an integra
@@Esdru221 Yeah true
@@Esdru221 unless the k24 has the 50 degree vtc basic bolt ons they are pretty much the same.
@@notsure3535 no, just no. Kiwicarlife's doesn't have 50° vtc and you can see how k24 destroyed h22a4. A cl9, only with reflash and nothing more is quicker than an accord euro R with h22a7 212hp and civic type R Fn2 stock.
You need to find Prelude Sir Sspec model it was lighter, 220ps , and LSD
Lovely car
Is the Prelude all stock?
That looks like a winner 🏆
Yep bone stock
@@KiwiCarLife wow, so only the vti-r got the black top?
The accord coupe 1999 and prelude 1999 have the same platform.
For sure an prelude is the little brother of the NSX👍👍👍
Yes
better comparision would be Accord type R CH1/Euro R CL1 vs prelude , but you test what you get.
Yep
Should add the prelude SIR S spec then
Put 17” wheels with 215 tyres on the prelude, a little bit harder suspension, and give to it that 7 kW more and tell us wich one you like more xD.
P.D.: if you remove the sunroof it would be more radical difference
I like the Prelude in stock form. Rides well and is a real gem to drive
An Accord 6/6 Coupe is what u really need
Is it
Really nice review. The prelude is a work of art. The auto VTiR is perfect.
Driving at that speed on a 2 lane with opposing traffic in what looks like a quiet residential area is not smart, ethical or safe. Please drive slower or do it on a track.
The prelude is best with a manual, 4at ruins the car. And no that road has a high speed limit, is relatively wide and no where near any suburbs. The video makes it look fast but most of the time I was barely going over 50
I want to say.Im light Honda fun,but respect..I drive Subaru impreza 99 light redizign and i know what Japan is......Nsx is in my top cars.But im in love with Accord,and i always when looking my dream is 2.4 typeS or but must be manual........Years goes,I love Accords but best was in my neighbourhoud(mine) When i buy her i was "damaged" and AT is great.But i want to put manual ecause car is new. In Serbia they say Honda AT gearbox is complicated,NO...I say this maybe samones help.Trainsmission oil and filter original(30e).Very practical and fast.When we do service my friend was impressed because he is young my Honda is onlyone he do AT service.He tells my in hes Bmw 520d e60 last year is so complicated and you buys something like big filter and something else.He tells me 800e is price to do right.Bmw have issuses which Honda does but 1 in ten days but ii remember all.He only change oil and that is but im not mechanic.I was so excised because he is under cl9 and told me SHe is like a baby never crashed.All perfect.We do brakes and..I must say Honda avg is 18-20 She drink like..Gasoline crize,we get bad fuel.Yesterday my friend says me auto-gas is off.Because he works in station...I think Honda is ok because she runs great but comsumtion in manual mode FACT 3-5l down....I have a offer.Give Accord and be payed+Bmw 335i or give Rover+2500e to 335.I think they have a big engine problems,like coils,plugs,or im wrong? But when i drive new 320 cabrio E92 this was thing.Know to back on...964work in progress lalalala
My all cars Audi A6 S6 A4 s8 Bmw e32 735i Bmw 745i e66 2002 Pajero 3000 v6 Rover 2,5 manual,Porsche 928 s4late 87 dog leg gearbox know i have older 79 928 in bad shape but engine....Someday....Golf 4 2.0 b Volvo 850glt,Mercedes coupe w140 420sel 126 500amg Citroen c2 vts Fiat 128 Megane 1.9dti Citroen c4 1.6 and 1.6at Subaru sti 99 Legacy turbo,Toyota supra 3000(engine blown 2 days after)-bad engines.This engine was 4 times done from zero to 5 and starts runns well about 1500miiles and when you want little trpr trp trtp oil light.I want to choose top cars Golf 4 2.0gti 4motion hihghline CL9-her remember me of Subaru a little and i become fan 10 years ago but never found good because in somethime a want to buy typeS coins is not problem,but I want manual in that time,On paper TypeS AT was very good but gearo leader scared me like retro japan cars.Porsche 928,Pajeroo 3000 v6 Volvo but 2.5 he overheated and i give a friend to fix he put 2.0 lazy engine 18l in city and top speed of 170shame 2.5 goes well comsuption is better but and him rattled 5 cyl noise and torque never have hahaha .928.First girl.She drive him,we goes on vacation,big space 5.9l 5speed dog leg.I driftt with him,and i smash left side in wall drunk like ass.And im arrested because i broke and no keys,928 hot wires but they stoped me in rutine,What is this(Car is know auto 3speed) some ass drunk put him in first this is reverse in dog leg,dont see brake-parking Gasssss and Porsch off he goes again and trasmission goes,My friend was to use him and i have18,000back but this strosek model worth but killing trasmision i hate that car like 3speed auto(5.9l have connection) with 4 speed auto is slower on start
Yes
03 Fit - all day everyday
Ah yes
Hand me the keys of that prelude and I bet money I'll win from a roll or dig vs that k24 stock for stock or mod for mod
Oh yeah ofc if the prelude is modified, it weighs 200kg less for starters
Another ‘choice az’ car to add to the k24 swap list. Your engine and trans in this car would be awesome.
No disrespect to the h22, just k24 is newer and bigger.
Yeah true, I'd stick with he h22 myself
As a prelude and 9th civic si owner the prelude handles better , Si is faster. Love them both.
Excellent selection of automobiles
you need to test drive a boat it is the v300 aristo.
Already driven one and you're right there haha
@@KiwiCarLife those are the last cheap cars that will triple in price really soon
Had a NZ new Manual VTiR 5 years back. Sold it for $3k.....170kms... Regret that
Oh yeah man would be worth way more now
You should change your channel name to KiwiHondaLife
Hah won't be all Hondas for much longer!
Oh man some of the 90s hondas are the best type r integral type r civic
I'm sure they're pretty good, too old for me though
4th gen only for me sir.
Fair enough
3:22
Yes
@@KiwiCarLife If you like the sound you will enjoy this czcams.com/video/sXuMhZBDgGE/video.html
A CL1R would be more suited to my good sir
Nah too old
The prelude could have been a supra fighter. If only honda made it rear drive.
Not with a 2.2 haha
Isn’t that a TSX? Wtf lol
Yeah here it's branded as an Accord Euro
That 92 civic is an 80’s Honda. Def too old and slow.
It was the only example I had, really meant like the eg, ek and dc
@@KiwiCarLife Eg, Ek, Dc too old and slow. Ummmmm, not when cooked right.
@@rmariu Nah i'm not referring to speed I was meaning like build quality, refinement, interior etc.