Why Great Ace Attorney Couldn't Be Localised Sooner

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  • čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
  • The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles are finally coming to the West, which means that fans of Phoenix Wright games have two entirely new games to look forward to. In The Great Ace Attorney, one of Phoenix Wright's ancestors, Ryunosuke Naruhodo, travels to Victorian London to team up with acclaimed super sleuth...Herlock Sholmes?
    Wait, no, that can't be right.
    While in the Japanese edition of Great Ace Attorney (Dai Gyakuten Saiban) features a team-up with Sherlock Holmes, the Western releases features a completely different character. A completely. Different. Legally. Distinct. Character.
    Why? Because Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Estate is nothing if not litigious, and they have a very liberal interpretation of what constitutes their copyrighted material.
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Komentáře • 460

  • @nowayok_99
    @nowayok_99 Před 3 lety +754

    This is so funny: you move 1 letter in the character's name and they can no longer catch you, even if that character is OBVIOUSLY the same one. It's like a swift kick in the knees and it's hilarious

    • @mykaruest3620
      @mykaruest3620 Před 3 lety +64

      I think the original story is that Herlock Sholmes was created by a Frenchman who tried to have a crossover with Sherlock Holmes was rejected went French courts and they accepted Sholmes out of British spite and every country outside of England accepted it.

    • @manuelalbertoromero9528
      @manuelalbertoromero9528 Před 3 lety +21

      @@mykaruest3620 Yeah. Arlene Lupin is the crossover character in question.

    • @timothymclean
      @timothymclean Před 3 lety +10

      You make it sound like a plot point in an Ace Attorney game.

    • @mykaruest3620
      @mykaruest3620 Před 3 lety +27

      Yeah, the funniest part about it is that the only reason Sholmes was created was because Arsène Lupin's author Maurice Leblanc was a rejected collab fanboy. Mr. Leblanc read the French translations, fell in love with them, and asked Doyle personally for a collaboration and was promptly rejected. Since he took the letter to heart he decided to create a character called Herlock Sholmes/Herlock Sholmés in France and elsewhere outside of the UK that happened to be the world's greatest detective from London. In the UK however it didn't work and Doyle himself faught it to the point petty Mr. Leblanc decided that Holmlock Shears would work and that stayed until the UK copyright on Sherlock Holmes ran out and it reverted to Sherlock Holmes or the superior Herlock Sholmes determining which translation or version you prefer. Moral of the story is that if you have enough salt you have a way.

    • @Kamui3821
      @Kamui3821 Před 3 lety +5

      They deserve it for copyrighting a personality trait. That's just money hungry and selfish.

  • @mckaygoodman6514
    @mckaygoodman6514 Před 3 lety +230

    Herlock Sholmes just feels like more of an ace attorney name. This is the same game series that gave us names like Larry Butz, Lotta Hart, and Ini Miney. Herlock Sholmes fits in perfectly

  • @steakdriven
    @steakdriven Před 3 lety +1540

    You can't copyright a goddamn personality trait. I'd like to get my hands on the judge who accepted that argument in court

    • @hikarikouno
      @hikarikouno Před 3 lety +195

      Of course you can, you just need enough money to do it.

    • @beowolf9480
      @beowolf9480 Před 3 lety +94

      the character itself is in the public domain, but that's the first iteration of him, the later iteration made to have a personality, is not, you can use the name Sherlock Holmes, as long as it's clearly the first version, but the version with a personality, no

    • @steakdriven
      @steakdriven Před 3 lety +71

      @@beowolf9480 but the game doesn't take place in those later years it takes place around the bakumatsu, you know a time during which Sherlock Holmes would be in his so-called original incarnation. The argument that him having a personality shift makes him a new character is absurd and any judge who takes that argument should be disbarred and thrown in prison

    • @MrJWTH
      @MrJWTH Před 3 lety +43

      I believe the case involving emotions was settled out of court and that there wasn’t a judge that ruled that emotions were copyrightable. I’m sure channels such as Leonard French and Legal Eagle would have had a video of such a judgement was made in a US court.

    • @cutest_pets
      @cutest_pets Před 3 lety +9

      What's next
      Shy is copyrighted?

  • @spiralhalo
    @spiralhalo Před 3 lety +787

    Now we wait for Great Ace Attorney to be in public domain and reuse its iteration of Herlock Sholmes in a Persona 5 Parody to complete the full circle

    • @billyharris2794
      @billyharris2794 Před 3 lety +47

      Good news, Herlock Sholmes actually *is* a public domain character. He's Arsene Lupin's legally distinct rival in the 1900's Arsene Lupin series. The Doyle estate has been greedy with the Sherlock character for over a century now.

    • @ShadwSonic
      @ShadwSonic Před 3 lety +8

      Good luck with that, current copyright law says that _all_ games are still not public domain, unless specifically created to be so. Only way that would change would be to rewrite the law to be more reasonable.
      Which, to be honest, isn't a bad idea on its own.

    • @ShadwSonic
      @ShadwSonic Před 3 lety +1

      @Cyber Console wolf As if the ESRB has much of a say in legality... and if you've been keeping up with politics from non-propaganda sources, you'd have very good reason to think that the Left are going to be forced out of all branches of government pretty soon. A _Trump_ government making changes to copyright would do the job right, wouldn't you say?

    • @GoldLight73
      @GoldLight73 Před 3 lety +1

      Maybe if P6 decides to revisit the Phantom Thief idea (unlikely, I know), that can include Moriarty as the main character's Persona... Or, if that gets the Doyle estate upset, make it something like Muriorty.

  • @MrZer093
    @MrZer093 Před 3 lety +955

    Surprised there wasn’t a throwaway comment about how Disney has been profiting off the public domain since forever thanks to all their fairy tale adaptations. Disney’s genuinely so full of it.

    • @SlapstickGenius23
      @SlapstickGenius23 Před 3 lety +10

      Ooh, nice comment!

    • @serpentmaster1323
      @serpentmaster1323 Před 3 lety +100

      At the same time keeping Mickey out of the public domain- he's twice overdue!

    • @Rognik
      @Rognik Před 3 lety +79

      It's enough to acknowledge that Disney messed with copyright law, which then affects every other IP, which the Doyle estate uses to milk Holmes media. The time for both of them, though, is running out. Get ready to make your Mickey Mouse fanfiction into a legal work!

    • @Nosidda
      @Nosidda Před 3 lety +28

      @@serpentmaster1323 I mean he is in the public domain now, but it's only the Steamboat Willy variation of him. But you still can't use the name Mickey Mouse, because it's now trademarked by Disney. So long as Disney's in business, that trademark will never go away.

    • @Ladywizard
      @Ladywizard Před 3 lety +8

      @@Nosidda Think about half the Sherlock Holmes books are public domain now... seems just 4 novels and 46 short stories are all the estate can still claim

  • @fluffyeevee383
    @fluffyeevee383 Před 3 lety +249

    "Copyright law lasts a little longer in the US"
    Disney: "The copyright law will last ∞-1 days"

  • @HeyIJust3334
    @HeyIJust3334 Před 3 lety +717

    "Here's where Persona 5 comes into the mix, by the way."
    Me: _looks at Ace Attorney localization manual_ "Did I miss a page?"

  • @Mnemoniforma9.00
    @Mnemoniforma9.00 Před 3 lety +253

    Doyle Estate: "If the Burroughs Estate can hold Tarzan hostage from Kingdom Hearts, I can do the same to Capcom!"
    **Capcom uses Herlock Sholmes instead**
    ♫You'll never see it coming!♫

  • @gldni17
    @gldni17 Před 3 lety +320

    I am not surprised that Herlock was the trick to avoid copywrite issues, although rather fascinating the whole deal with the "copyrighted works" is really just a trap at this point since technically, the whole point of public domain characters is that you can take them and CHANGE them, so emotional development shouldn't really be so easy as a trick to keep Sherlock out of public use.
    All well, I'm fine with Herlock Sholmes getting some extra recognition, especially with how sassy his very existence really is historically. X3c

    • @SlapstickGenius23
      @SlapstickGenius23 Před 3 lety +12

      Even though Sherlock and Herlock are actually different characters, Herlock is one of the more popular Expies of Sherlock besides Solar Pons.

  • @ItsDevinJ
    @ItsDevinJ Před 3 lety +418

    No, this isn't a Mario fangame. This is Superior Lario Siblings, about Lario and his brother Muigi who are out to save Person of Royalty Frogstool, otherwise known as Nectarine, from the clutches of the evil Fils-Aimé! You can't sue me now, Nintendo!

    • @MrZer093
      @MrZer093 Před 3 lety +74

      You joke, but other companies totally did that in the 80s and 90s with the most famous example being “The Great Gianna Sisters”

    • @M0D776
      @M0D776 Před 3 lety +14

      @@MrZer093 but didn't the Gianna Sisters evolve into something else recently?

    • @jasonblalock4429
      @jasonblalock4429 Před 3 lety +26

      @@M0D776 Yeah... Nintendo successfully shut down distribution of the original 80s Great Gianna Sisters, but somehow the IP got revived with a few surprisingly good platformers last decade.

    • @MrJWTH
      @MrJWTH Před 3 lety +13

      @@M0D776 Ye,ps, their most recent game was not directly ripping of a previous Mario game and the name itself didn’t have any legal issues attached.

    • @PrixtoTNT
      @PrixtoTNT Před 3 lety +1

      @@MrZer093 The simple tittle of that game always makes me laugh hard

  • @pandajam7921
    @pandajam7921 Před 3 lety +478

    I will gladly watch anything Ace Attorney

    • @vikinggamer7727
      @vikinggamer7727 Před 3 lety +8

      Yeah, but this is the GREAT ace attorney

    • @Joe.Jarvis
      @Joe.Jarvis Před 3 lety +1

      Yes please!

    • @malditesta
      @malditesta Před 3 lety +2

      Finally! Something new that's not just memes!! I mean...poor Sholmes just got localized and he got memed to oblivion but still.
      Not that I'm complaining about the memes, they're great. I'm just happy I can finally play this game!

  • @TheTurdle
    @TheTurdle Před 3 lety +99

    Copyright law : You can't release the great ace attorney in the US because Sherlock Holmes is copyrighted
    Capcom : But his name is Herlock Sholmes
    Copyright law : *Understandable have a great day*

  • @WarmLillie
    @WarmLillie Před 3 lety +374

    As a certain blue hedgehog once said no copyright in the universe is going to stop me...

    • @KA-qv7be
      @KA-qv7be Před 3 lety +2

      Yeah...I remember that meme!

  • @TayoEXE
    @TayoEXE Před 3 lety +175

    0:18 It's "Ace Attorney Investigations 2" actually, but seriously, the fan localization is fantastic. In my top 3 Ace Attorney games of all time.

    • @adv78
      @adv78 Před 3 lety +11

      My favorite and it's not even close, AAI2 is justo so good and the fan localization is fantastic.

    • @unitlonda4925
      @unitlonda4925 Před 3 lety +40

      I can't handle the thought of Sebastian having a different name if there ever was an official localization

    • @Nyahahameha
      @Nyahahameha Před 3 lety +5

      I'm enjoying Lucahjin's playthrough of it currently! :D It's a fantastic Ace Attorney so far, we're a way into Chapter 2.

    • @JorWat25
      @JorWat25 Před 3 lety +15

      @@adv78 Honestly, it's up there with Mother 3's translation. OK, maybe not that good, but it's still very well done. The team went far beyond what they needed to do, not only translating all the text, but also localising the names (still love Jay Elbird), editing graphics to make the text English, and even recording new 'Objection!' voice clips. There is literally no Japanese left in the game.

    • @battousaix4263
      @battousaix4263 Před 3 lety +4

      Yeah, it's a very close second to T&T for me. Easily beats the other two games in Phoenix's trilogy. Kinda surprising honestly since I found the first one to only just be decent

  • @Haremweeb
    @Haremweeb Před 3 lety +374

    everyone knows it's because capcom couldn't come up with a good replacement name for sherlock until someone saw a herlock sholmes meme and thought that was the most genius thing ever

    • @sherlockholmes532
      @sherlockholmes532 Před 3 lety +82

      It's both a meme and also the name Sherlock receives in the Arsené Lupin books, due to the same problem, copyright.

    • @jasonblalock4429
      @jasonblalock4429 Před 3 lety +44

      @@sherlockholmes532 And due to the popularity of Lupin III in Japan, the Arsene Lupin stories are probably better known there than in most places in the West. (Aside from France, obviously.)

    • @Ramsey276one
      @Ramsey276one Před 3 lety +5

      Pardon!
      Cake Delivery for “arie ntoinette...”
      Gosh, there’s chocolate on the bill...
      Harie Mantoinette!
      XD

    • @zimonzieclown1633
      @zimonzieclown1633 Před 3 lety +3

      @@sherlockholmes532Atlus used the name "Arsène" and the concept of the gentleman thief all the way back in 2017 when Persona 5 came out... so what took Capcom so long to switch from Sherlock Holmes to Herlock Sholmes?

    • @Tioko
      @Tioko Před 3 lety +7

      @@zimonzieclown1633 Maybe Arsene fell into public domain before Herlock. It was an established book series already before the crossover.

  • @MisteRRYouTuby
    @MisteRRYouTuby Před 3 lety +426

    The moral of the story: SOMETIMES, good things DON’T come to those who wait...

    • @quinnholloway5400
      @quinnholloway5400 Před 3 lety +32

      At least we're getting both sequels on all platforms, the only thing that pisses me is just that the other 3DS games aren't ported yet

    • @penguinkirb3759
      @penguinkirb3759 Před 3 lety +2

      @@quinnholloway5400 except xbox

    • @quinnholloway5400
      @quinnholloway5400 Před 3 lety +3

      @@penguinkirb3759 fair point sadly...

    • @Nicco1221
      @Nicco1221 Před 3 lety +11

      @@penguinkirb3759 Maybe Xbox should've bought the 2019 Trilogy. only 5,000 units sold on Xbox Worldwide.

    • @MrJWTH
      @MrJWTH Před 3 lety

      @@quinnholloway5400 Tenichally it is one mobile.

  • @tiffyw92
    @tiffyw92 Před 3 lety +201

    Can't wait to see how Susato fangirls over Le Blanc's famous work of Herlock Sholmes vs Arsene Lupin. Maybe she'll be a Lupin fan too, hahaha!

  • @DJVLDN
    @DJVLDN Před 3 lety +56

    What’s not mentioned in the video is that the US court ruling that declared Holmes to be in the public domain also called the Conan Doyle estate’s business model “extortion”. They enforced a copyright they didn’t have by intimidating creators with threats of lawsuits, and since no one wants to go to court the creators and producers would always pay what the estate wanted.

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos Před 3 lety +3

      That sounds like a lawsuit that would NEED to happen though.

  • @chrisjackson6149
    @chrisjackson6149 Před 3 lety +151

    I'm glad it happened later than never. It was worth it having this Sherlock Holmes profile pic for years.
    EDIT: I'm going to localize my comment to Herlock Sholmes instead.

    • @hiraethion
      @hiraethion Před 3 lety +3

      For YEARS? Damn dude, that's dedication right there.

  • @KirbyLinkACW
    @KirbyLinkACW Před 3 lety +73

    I'm so glad someone explained the Arsene Lupin history! It was draining looking at everyone crack jokes about the localization team being lazy.

  • @unrealkirbo
    @unrealkirbo Před 3 lety +51

    "To the Conan Doyle Estate, the greedy imprisoners of the master of deduction and good rival of mine. You cease and desist all those who wants to travel to the great world of case solving magic in their own way, believing that you are carrying out the will of good old Arthur. Thus, i have decided to steal those distorted desires away, and if managed to beat dear Sherlock, then i assure you, i can't fail." [From: Arsene Lupin]

  • @PrismPoint
    @PrismPoint Před 3 lety +26

    The funny thing about the Doyle estate copyrighting the look of Holmes wearing a dearstalker hat is that in the original stories, he never really wore one. An illustrator actually put one on him when he wouldn't be wearing one in the scene, and it just stuck.

    • @SlapstickGenius23
      @SlapstickGenius23 Před 3 lety +4

      That’s a funny accident.

    • @harrya9458
      @harrya9458 Před 3 lety +6

      Kinda similar to how Sherlock in the BBC series doesn’t wear one and it was just a single photo from a single time

  • @Harukurochan
    @Harukurochan Před 3 lety +29

    Wow, the Conan Doyle estate is really using *actual personal tragedies* that Arthur Conan Doyle experienced to justify hoarding the Sherlock Holmes copyright for themselves. And I thought Disney was low.

  • @Foxhood
    @Foxhood Před 3 lety +16

    So the Great Ace Attorney is using how a property that was using an blatant Copyright dodging name ended up in the Public domain freeing up both itself and the mock name. Said mock-name already being pretty much iron-clad from scrutiny due to its age. All to avoid having to deal with the Conan Doyle Estate. That is just deviously clever.

  • @ssjduelistDD
    @ssjduelistDD Před 3 lety +76

    Technically there are 3 or 4 stories of Holmes that are not public domain until 2023. So it's not completely copyright free.

    • @VideoGameStoryTime
      @VideoGameStoryTime  Před 3 lety +60

      Plus, something we cut from this video for time, the Conan Doyle Estate also sues over any works that were started *before* the copyright expired, even if they weren't published until afterwards. Even after 2023, they're going to claim a three year grace period on those last few stories, so this isn't going to end for another half a decade or so. Even then, they own the Sherlock Holmes trademark, so they'll no doubt keep going.

    • @PrincessFelicie
      @PrincessFelicie Před 3 lety +53

      @@VideoGameStoryTime ngl that kind of crap pulled by rich people with too much money really makes a gal want to be a copyright abolitionist

    • @VideoGameStoryTime
      @VideoGameStoryTime  Před 3 lety +38

      @@PrincessFelicie None of our videos are copyrighted. They're published under creative commons instead, so anyone can remix them however they see fit. I'm not wholly opposed to all forms of copyright, but the laws we have at the moment just don't hold water.

    • @user-fe8gx3ie5v
      @user-fe8gx3ie5v Před 3 lety +7

      @@PrincessFelicie 1. You're not a girl. 2. The main flaw of copyright law is how long it takes for IP to become public domain.

    • @seqka711
      @seqka711 Před 3 lety +25

      @@user-fe8gx3ie5v Don't be a dick. It's not a fun look.

  • @donaldorios6268
    @donaldorios6268 Před 3 lety +74

    Kinda ironic that a game franchise about attorneys at law ran into some legal trouble...

  • @Xevailo
    @Xevailo Před 3 lety +9

    Herlock Sholmes? I bet Hodd Toward and Reanu Keeves would be delighted to meet him!

  • @kirbyinhalesjotaro4471
    @kirbyinhalesjotaro4471 Před 3 lety +61

    this is a conan-doyale estate moment

  • @huntarbates2814
    @huntarbates2814 Před 3 lety +15

    I actually read up about Lupin meeting Sherlock Holmes a few months ago and thought the whole exchange was hilarious from the legal end. So glad that the goofy story was used to free Ace Attorney from copyright jail.

  • @eggleysucks
    @eggleysucks Před 3 lety +41

    as an ace attorney fan ngl i screamed when the trailer dropped

    • @pandajam7921
      @pandajam7921 Před 3 lety +1

      I saw the gamexplain notification in class and I choked on my saliva and proceeded to rush to find a trailer

    • @Me-uq1eh
      @Me-uq1eh Před 3 lety

      Same

  • @WarmLillie
    @WarmLillie Před 3 lety +47

    Justice has been made today but wait for the rest for a clean victory

  • @elbert0p1kachu
    @elbert0p1kachu Před 3 lety +7

    >What I watched:
    >What I expected: Oh no no no no no no no no, How will we translate that PW's ancestor is from Meiji Japan and not Japanifornia
    >What I got: I'm not Sonic. I'm my original character, Blonic.

  • @mcel6053
    @mcel6053 Před 3 lety +7

    I knew the Origin of Herlock Sholmes because Arsene Lupin is one of my favorite books. Great to see that Leblanc's exploit now works towards one of my favorite videogames as well XD

  • @minermole101
    @minermole101 Před 3 lety +14

    Copyright sometimes can be Hell. I know it's a necessary thing, but it can also be a complicated mess.

  • @mariokarter13
    @mariokarter13 Před 3 lety +9

    Easiest way to avoid getting sued: Make your character incredibly similar, yet legally distinct.
    "RUN, IT'S GODZILLA!"
    "It only looks like Godzilla! But due to international copyright law, it is not."
    "STILL, LET'S RUN LIKE IT IS GODZILLA!!"

    • @Harrisow
      @Harrisow Před 3 lety

      From Steven Universe Future's series finale.

    • @AsyrafFile
      @AsyrafFile Před 3 lety

      @@Harrisow Actually it from Austin Powers Goldmember.

    • @geenkaas6380
      @geenkaas6380 Před 2 měsíci +1

      It is Moozila

  • @vintprox
    @vintprox Před 3 lety +14

    LeBlanc, Holmes
    Zinc Lablanc, Herlock Sholmes
    Capcom: *Hold my beer*

    • @E4439Qv5
      @E4439Qv5 Před 3 lety +3

      Zinc Lablanc isn't a tribute to Maurice LeBlanc.
      He's just a funny foreign art dealer with a name inspired by zinc blanks, used to make cheap coins.

    • @vintprox
      @vintprox Před 3 lety +2

      @@E4439Qv5 Interesting coincidence then :D Thanks for pointing out.

  • @xana3961
    @xana3961 Před 2 lety +3

    Arsene pulled the greatest heist of his career. He stole Sherlock Holmes from the copyright of the Doyle estate with the character Herlock Sholmes. What a god damn legend.

  • @shinnemort4271
    @shinnemort4271 Před 3 lety +8

    it's worth noting that there are plenty of flat out usage of not only Sherlock Holmes as a Character but many plots and allusions to scenarios and stories from the Sherlock Holmes stories ie. the Red-Headed League, some of which may have still been under Copyright Law, which is why even if they used Herlock Sholmes in 2016, other names of peoples and events may have still gotten them sued, and may still.

    • @VideoGameStoryTime
      @VideoGameStoryTime  Před 3 lety +3

      An excellent point, we didn't get into it in this video but those last few stories slowly slipping out of copyright may have impacted why the game can be released now, but couldn't be released earlier. That said we didn't want to speculate too much on this in the video, as we're in all honesty not experts on the Sherlock Holmes canon.

  • @louisantonio2462
    @louisantonio2462 Před 3 lety +6

    Objection! Another possible reason why it took Capcom up to 2021 to adapt The Great Ace Attorney by using Lupin's Herlock Sholmes may be how they wanted to see other adaptations that uses the intellectual properties of Lupin in recent years such as Netflix Lupin or the new Lupin the Third movies in order to truly confirm that the names can be used freely. Furthermore, I figured that they needed to twist a lot of the chapter names from the game's cases too in order to pass the copyright gate.

  • @alishaanimations3058
    @alishaanimations3058 Před 3 lety +107

    Oop yeyy we’re talking about Ace attorney which means it’s getting popular again

    • @klulikxd
      @klulikxd Před 3 lety +1

      That don't mean it

    • @supersonicsaga
      @supersonicsaga Před 3 lety +8

      Phoenix wright is that series that everybody knows about but never buys.

    • @TayoEXE
      @TayoEXE Před 3 lety +24

      @@supersonicsaga Except they do? The series is fantastic. It's sold over 8 million copies.

    • @alishaanimations3058
      @alishaanimations3058 Před 3 lety

      @@TayoEXE 8million + 1 if it can be released in the UK😪

    • @bidilz
      @bidilz Před 3 lety

      @@alishaanimations3058 what about trilogy, i mean you british can play that atleast

  • @xcross4286
    @xcross4286 Před 3 lety +6

    I love how the video is actually styled like a ace attorney case

  • @KA-qv7be
    @KA-qv7be Před 3 lety +7

    _Moral Of The Story:_
    The detective doesn't listen when you say "No sh**, Sherlock", and that's why it took this long.

  • @phrophetsamgames
    @phrophetsamgames Před 3 lety +3

    Loved playing the first DGS game with the fan translation patch and now I'll get to play the official localisation with official english VA's. Gonna be awesome and legit excited.

  • @thamismash8959
    @thamismash8959 Před 3 lety +7

    As always, great video, very informative. As a hardcore Ace Attorney fan, this was bugging me for a long time - now that's more than clear. Thank you ❤️

  • @Insert.Oregano
    @Insert.Oregano Před 3 lety +4

    "The franchise *Trials and Tribulations* can be over, and there can be *Justice for All* "
    Nice

  • @psychicflora
    @psychicflora Před 3 lety +6

    That also explains the localization problems of Detective Conan ( it also got troubles from the holders of Conan the barbarian rights)

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos Před 3 lety +3

      Which also makes zero sense because it's a NAME. Mr O'Brian would have something to say about that.

  • @Chellythefox
    @Chellythefox Před 3 lety +12

    This is totally my original character; Herlock Sholmes

    • @clarehidalgo
      @clarehidalgo Před 3 lety

      Maurice Leblanc did that in 1908 actually

    • @Nosidda
      @Nosidda Před 3 lety

      People really need to get their facts straight

  • @mccloaker
    @mccloaker Před 3 lety +18

    I'd have been mad if they had called him Sherlock Holmes since he's so... Unfaithful to the literary character. But him being a wacky knock-off fits SO perfectly. He's like Holmes' Wario.

    • @Tioko
      @Tioko Před 3 lety +6

      I agree! I haven’t thought about this before, but you’re right, the knock-off-ness makes his character more bearable!
      Truth be told, this version of Sherlock/Herlock is still a genius, but instead of being a logical master of deduction, he’s intuitive - he just KNOWS that the clue is OVER HERE, but fails to identify it correctly until Ryuunosuke (or Iris, I suppose) corrects him.

    • @mccloaker
      @mccloaker Před 3 lety +3

      @@Tioko Eeexactly! Good point! And on that point, Wilson is also an impovement. A lolicon Watson was like fingernails across the blackboard of my soul.

    • @Tioko
      @Tioko Před 3 lety +1

      @@mccloaker IIRC, she’s supposed to be Watson’s daughter 🤷🏻‍♀️ Who uses her father’s name to write about The Great Detective.

    • @sponge1234ify
      @sponge1234ify Před 2 lety +5

      @@mccloaker Yeah, the "real" John H. Watson(/Wilson) appeared on the first case as a _murder victim,_ and it's noted when we finally met Herlock that his adventures has already been written and published.
      So, weirdly enough, Iris Wilson is actually Lolicon _Conan Doyle._

  • @Nyahahameha
    @Nyahahameha Před 3 lety +8

    "A bit of Persona 5 Phantom Thievery."
    I think you mean a bit of Great Thievery courtesy of the Yatagarasu.

  • @FrostDeino
    @FrostDeino Před 3 lety +6

    Ooh I really liked this video
    Persona 5 and Ace attorney info in one video? That's great

  • @BIastProcX
    @BIastProcX Před 3 lety +19

    Me still waiting for an Ace Attorney Investigations 2 localization

    • @doopman512
      @doopman512 Před 3 lety +3

      If you go on Ebay sometimes people sell unofficial AAI2 english translated physical cartridges! Thats how I got to play the game and it works 100%.
      The only thing you need is a DS specifically (not DSi or 3DS, those don't work). The translators did a great job and it really feels official/on-brand!

    • @GamerConnoisseurRei
      @GamerConnoisseurRei Před 3 lety

      Me who has played it on NDS emulator: It's freaking awesome my no.1 Ace Attorney games followed closely by DGS 1&2

    • @SolMasterzzz
      @SolMasterzzz Před 3 lety

      Just play the fan translation, it's absolutely stellar!

    • @geenkaas6380
      @geenkaas6380 Před 2 měsíci +1

      You only need to wait for a few months

  • @SeriousMcnegative
    @SeriousMcnegative Před 3 lety +8

    "Phoenix Wright fans rejoice!"
    I'll do it... But not because you told me to...

  • @fabianwhs9891
    @fabianwhs9891 Před 3 lety +9

    If you wouldn't have made this video and it wouldn't have gotten randomly recommended to me I probably wouldn't have learned about this, so thanks.🤣

  • @RHM087
    @RHM087 Před 3 lety +4

    And here I was genuinely thinking the name Arsene was a play off "arson"; thanks for the history lesson

  • @starstriker4960
    @starstriker4960 Před 3 lety +3

    Me: Finally all the games are released
    Others: but what about investigat-
    Me: FINALLY ALL THE GAMES ARE RELEASED

  • @Lampent12
    @Lampent12 Před 3 lety +6

    Dang, so Disney's assholer-y over Mickey's copyright inadvertently extended the time it would take for Capcom to localize GAA?
    Their reach is truly shocking...

    • @SlapstickGenius23
      @SlapstickGenius23 Před 3 lety

      Capcom’s pretty bad as a company, but its creative teams are pretty talented nonetheless.

  • @waldoc2829
    @waldoc2829 Před 3 lety +2

    Half the video I was wondering what this vid had anything to do with Great Ace Attorney, since Sherlock Holmes is nowhere to be seen in the entire game.

  • @Nova-_-
    @Nova-_- Před 3 lety +10

    can we get a massive 'screw you' to Disney? Not the first time they've screwed something for everyone...

    • @deathzonekiller2261
      @deathzonekiller2261 Před 3 lety

      Yeah

    • @TheSaharay1
      @TheSaharay1 Před 3 lety

      This wasn't due to Disney tho.

    • @thebravegallade731
      @thebravegallade731 Před 3 lety +7

      @@TheSaharay1 yes it is.
      the entire copywright shtick is becasue of disney

    • @MrJWTH
      @MrJWTH Před 3 lety +6

      @@TheSaharay1 Technically it is. Had they not successfully lobbied to get US copyright extended Sherlock Holmes would have been completely in public domain before the first Great Ace Attorney came out. In Japan.

  • @gvs485
    @gvs485 Před 3 lety +4

    Next game: Phoenix against copyright laws xD
    Also great video as always! Love Video Game Story Time

  • @solarprogeny6736
    @solarprogeny6736 Před 3 lety +3

    you cannot convince me it took years for them to switch up a few letters in a character's name. interesting tho

  • @masteroflight7296
    @masteroflight7296 Před 3 lety +2

    Franchises like Mickey Mouse won’t ever go public domain due to trademark.
    People confuse the term “Copyright” and “Trademark”. Trademark is for Brands and franchises, Trademarks have no expiration date as long as the trademark holders keep renewing the licence.
    As for “copyright” These are used for specific works like Cartoon episode, books, music, etc.
    So when the copyright for Mickey Mouse runs out only the shorts that are older then the expiry date will be public domain. as long as Disney owns the trademark then the Mickey brand won’t be public domain, this goes with everything out there.

  • @spouwnerring
    @spouwnerring Před 3 lety +10

    They really need to change international copyright law.

    • @SlapstickGenius23
      @SlapstickGenius23 Před 3 lety

      I stand with ya.

    • @anthonygerardotorresgonzal6269
      @anthonygerardotorresgonzal6269 Před 3 lety +2

      Guy: Run It's Godzilla
      Man: It Looks Like Godzilla but due to International Copyright Laws, It's Not
      Guy: Still Run, Like it is Godzilla
      Man: But it Isn't
      Both: Ahhhhhhhh!!!

  • @GameKeeper28
    @GameKeeper28 Před 3 lety +7

    I love Herlock Sholmes as much as I love Percule Hoirot.

  • @specialnewb9821
    @specialnewb9821 Před 3 lety +4

    Ah yes, the Conan Doyle estate. Free riding parasites on their ancestor's success. I've been familiar with this idiocy for a while.
    Been a Lupin III fan for a long time!

  • @steakdriven
    @steakdriven Před 3 lety +4

    Objection! Watson and Holmes we're true friends long before the Great War what are these people smoking?

  • @PianoHypnoshroom
    @PianoHypnoshroom Před 3 lety +2

    Finally, after years of waiting, I will be able to see my Sherlock Holm- I mean Herlock Sholmes.

  • @turtlie7309
    @turtlie7309 Před 3 lety +1

    Fun fact: if I’m not mistaken, capcom is also part of the reason that weird localized jojo stand names exist. When they released their part 5 game, there was apparently some problems with the Prince song references which may have contributed to the cancellation of the international release. But this is kind of speculation so maybe I shouldn’t call it a “fun fact” lol

  • @dntknonuttin
    @dntknonuttin Před 3 lety +2

    I just think it's hilarious that The SAME game is able to use an ACTUAL Japanese Writer, Natsume Soseki, in-game and depict him as a defendant accused of murder (and of course his name is not changed in the release). But like a FICTIONAL character has to have his name changed in the west so there is no chance of backlash from copyright. Just Wild and Funny to me.

  • @migueltovar8167
    @migueltovar8167 Před 3 lety +1

    Judge's POV:
    "Therefore, in presence of the evidence provided and the contradictions in testimonies found by the defense, I declare the defendant, Herlock Sholmes,
    *Not Guilty*
    Court is adjourned!" *hammer slam*

  • @KIMTUANVIETNAM
    @KIMTUANVIETNAM Před 3 lety +1

    "Can i copy your work?"
    "Sure, as long as you don't make it obvious"
    "OK"
    (Copyright sure is messed up, it's even more messed up than the legal system in Ace Attorney)

  • @Zeverinsen
    @Zeverinsen Před 3 lety +2

    Damn, the Ace Attorney puns are plentiful.
    I'll never *not* be waiting for Investigations 2 though...

    • @SolMasterzzz
      @SolMasterzzz Před 3 lety

      Play the fan translation. It is as good as the official releases.

  • @burningrabbit7278
    @burningrabbit7278 Před 3 lety +2

    Doyle Estate: "This character is protected by US copyright law!"
    Capcom localization team: "Hold my pen."

  • @M0D776
    @M0D776 Před 3 lety +3

    While I like Ace Attorney, I never knew of this game, so when I saw the name Herlock Sholmes I laughed sooo hard, it felt unreal af, it was hilarious, but it's good to know the real reason on why.

  • @berylliosis5250
    @berylliosis5250 Před 3 lety +3

    That's a pretty absurd abuse of copyright. Like... just... no.

  • @silverflight01
    @silverflight01 Před 3 lety +3

    Thank you Leblanc for coming up with the idea to change up the name to Herlock Sholmes when your wrote that Arsène Lupin book.

  • @ConManAU
    @ConManAU Před 3 lety +1

    5:21 Lupin is the Beer Baron? (Nice subtle reference!)

  • @runningoncylinders3829
    @runningoncylinders3829 Před 3 lety +4

    I'll accept it as his funny dub name.

  • @munchwad
    @munchwad Před 3 lety +1

    Code Realize also did the Herlock Sholmes thing but had a 2015 release 😕

  • @JohnRDVSMarston
    @JohnRDVSMarston Před 3 lety +1

    The localized version will probably have some references to LeBlanc's works just out of a victory lap

  • @BLazeWigglytuff
    @BLazeWigglytuff Před 3 lety +1

    Fun fact disney tried to make micky mouse copy right last infinity when that got rejected they offered infinity-1 day

  • @silverdamascus2023
    @silverdamascus2023 Před rokem +1

    The problem was finally solved, Sherlock Holmes is now 100% in the public domain, all of the original Arthur Conan Doyle's stories are no longer under copyright.

  • @TundraCrow
    @TundraCrow Před 2 lety +3

    You can't use that character name its copy righted.
    Fine I'll use the non infringing copy right safe version based off yours that is now public domain.

  • @KeybladeMasterAndy
    @KeybladeMasterAndy Před 3 lety +2

    Hot damn. That estate must be full of jerks.

    • @Nosidda
      @Nosidda Před 3 lety

      Sherlock Holmes has been their cash cow for generations. Once Sherlock Holmes falls into public domain, they basically lose almost, if not all, of their income. Naturally they're going to be brutal about making sure that doesn't happen, they want that cash money.

  • @phrophetsamgames
    @phrophetsamgames Před 3 lety +2

    HERLOCK SHOLMES!
    HERLOCK SHOLMES!
    HERLOCK SHOLMES!

  • @IamYasha10
    @IamYasha10 Před 3 lety +1

    There's always workaround or a loop hole in rules. You just have to recognize and find it.

  • @cartoonfan9million468
    @cartoonfan9million468 Před rokem +1

    Sorry that I am 2 years late with this comment, but since you did this video, I think I would like to see a video of Why Gyakuten Kenji 2 or Ace Attorney Investigations Miles Edgeworth 2 Prosecutor’s Path never got Localized out of Japan, like ever. Since the Great Ace Attorney came to America 2 years ago, the only Ace Attorney game left that was never brought to America or any other country out of Japan is Gyakuten Kenji 2 or Ace Attorney Investigations Miles Edgeworth 2 Prosecutor’s path.

  • @enelpenel6915
    @enelpenel6915 Před 3 lety +1

    It makes me wonder how Aksys got away with Herlock Sholmès in Code Realize then?

  • @rence234
    @rence234 Před 3 lety +3

    Herlock Sholmes

  • @heroe1486
    @heroe1486 Před rokem +1

    Just because Capcom is doing what Capcom does, those are juste excuses, they could have chose this name earlier and if I'm not mistaken the Japanese audio available in the WW game uses the name "Holmes"

  • @Alibium
    @Alibium Před 2 měsíci +1

    “Except ace attorney investigations 2 which is still Japan only”

  • @nickbowling9383
    @nickbowling9383 Před 3 lety +1

    And here I was thinking that it was just because US Ace Attorney localizers like to come up with goofy names.

  • @snifey7694
    @snifey7694 Před 3 lety +1

    I like to imagine that sherlock cousin is this mate right there

  • @youngblood7308
    @youngblood7308 Před 3 lety +3

    I feel bad for Scarlet Study but I will always appreciate their hard work

    • @SolMasterzzz
      @SolMasterzzz Před 3 lety +1

      They allowed me to play the first of these games a lot earlier than I would otherwise have been able to, so yes, I appreciate their hard work too! It was a fan translation almost on the level of the AAI2 one!

  • @buster5661
    @buster5661 Před 2 lety +2

    So basically all I got from this video is that Sherlock Holmes respecting women is copyrighted

  • @WarHelmetCombine
    @WarHelmetCombine Před 2 měsíci

    I will now make my own lawyer game where you play as Whoenix Pright and get help from your assistant Meya Fay and you go up against your arch rival Miges Edleworth.

  • @user-fg9oy3uo3h
    @user-fg9oy3uo3h Před 3 lety +1

    Makes you wonder why they never go with Herlock Sholmes in the first place then.
    No matter. Got 2 games to look forward to during the pandemic.

  • @LebrancConvas
    @LebrancConvas Před 3 lety +3

    Hoping you to do the story of ZUN and his Touhou Project in the next video. :)

  • @phrophetsamgames
    @phrophetsamgames Před 3 lety +1

    Donan Coyle Estate be pissed lmao

  • @nidohime6233
    @nidohime6233 Před 3 lety +5

    Meanwhile we still waiting for ALL Ace Attorney games to be translated in spanish. (WTF Capcom, we know you did actually translate the DS games, so why not now?).

    • @TempestaDominus
      @TempestaDominus Před 3 lety

      Maybe they ran out of country to bastardized? :v Wonder if Spanish one also has their own Japafornia

    • @nidohime6233
      @nidohime6233 Před 3 lety +1

      @@TempestaDominus Oh yeah, because the english and so called american are so perfect and would never hurted a fly >:U

    • @ikaridlinkk
      @ikaridlinkk Před 3 lety +2

      the DS games were translated by Nintendo and not by Capcom, thats why (and they arent as huge on spain/latin america)

    • @TempestaDominus
      @TempestaDominus Před 3 lety

      @@nidohime6233 That's...not my point? The opposite in fact as Ace Attorney localization that resulting in Japanifornia is infamous.

    • @nidohime6233
      @nidohime6233 Před 3 lety

      @@ikaridlinkk That doesn't stop them to translate the games to other languages.

  • @kirimusse
    @kirimusse Před 3 lety +2

    Being given that this is only a problem of the US copyright, it would be cool that the PAL versions of the game actually used Sherlock Holmes' name within the game.

    • @SolMasterzzz
      @SolMasterzzz Před 3 lety

      I would imagine that would make the inevitable lawsuits more difficult though. The Conan Doyle Estate might have more of a case if in every other release the character IS actually called Sherlock Holmes.