Fiat 124 vs 86 vs MX5 - Affordable Sports Cars | Everyday Driver TV Season 2

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  • čas přidán 14. 02. 2018
  • We put the Fiat 124 spider against the Toyota 86 and Mazda MX-5 RF for the first of 6 episodes from TV season 2. These RWD purpose-built sports cars are available new for less than $30k. The MX5 has owned this segment for years, but the 86 offers a definite alternative, and the hard top RF and Fiat 124 give MX5 buyers even more choice.
    Paul and Todd spend a great day on a favorite Utah road to find what separates these cars and which one they'd most recommend.
    Look for a new TV episode every month right here on CZcams.
    The latest episodes are available on Amazon Prime of Vimeo, find them here:
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    Remember our Podcast, "the Car Debate" can be found wherever you get Podcasts with new episodes every Tuesday and Friday.
    Thanks for watching!
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Komentáře • 754

  • @rainystorm88
    @rainystorm88 Před 6 lety +96

    “A large percentage of mx-5’s are bought with an automatic” ... WHYYYYYYY?????? The shifter is half of what makes the car so fun!!!

    • @joshrandall5297
      @joshrandall5297 Před 4 lety +8

      Because chicks buy it.

    • @TheCreaTaur
      @TheCreaTaur Před 3 lety +6

      Because the manual is a dying breed 😔

    • @CarlJohnson-wk3rv
      @CarlJohnson-wk3rv Před 3 lety +1

      Dreaded Samurai it is NOT a dying breed. Over in the USA, sure. But not in most other countries. Shame though, having amazing American muscle cars that are driven by the car and not the driver doesn’t sound like much fun.

    • @TheCreaTaur
      @TheCreaTaur Před 3 lety +1

      @@CarlJohnson-wk3rv sad times over here in the states, man. Lol

    • @Caracatungas
      @Caracatungas Před 3 lety +3

      @@TheCreaTaur In Mexico manual is the shit, God forbid a 2021 car comes out only in automatic here

  • @idiotamerica6422
    @idiotamerica6422 Před 5 lety +227

    Who thinks Honda should revive the S2000 or at least make a car that competes with the Hachiroku

    • @deepseadrumz1
      @deepseadrumz1 Před 4 lety +4

      I was at a Honda dealer and asked the same question. The GM told me this: Too many people were having accidents. Also, the insurance was very high. Still didn't feel as though he answered my question, but ok. I would have liked a chance to find one and purchase same.

    • @RexApplegate
      @RexApplegate Před 4 lety +6

      I believe it's the current president of the company that insisted they stay out of the rwd game, apparently except for the bitch stick equipped nsx.
      It's a tricky thing, making the worlds most reliable cars and yet being a dead brand to a pretty substantial portion of enthusiasts, but they've done it.

    • @FragEightyfive
      @FragEightyfive Před 4 lety +14

      @@RexApplegate It just goes to show you how small of a market car enthusiasts have become. Its not worth their time anymore. :(

    • @olvera6710
      @olvera6710 Před 4 lety +1

      Honestly i would cry lol...

    • @germanboy5392
      @germanboy5392 Před 4 lety +1

      Overrated and outdated

  • @winglessang31
    @winglessang31 Před 6 lety +76

    The 86 driving experience is an addiction.

  • @aldo90731
    @aldo90731 Před 2 lety +18

    I test drove the MX-5 and the Spider before buying. I agree with Paul: the MX-5 lacked personality compared to the Fiat; the little 1.4T Fiat engine is an overachiever; completely transforms the car. And the exhaust sounds like a million bucks! I ended going with the Spider in Abarth guise. Three years later, I still have it, and is one of the best purchase decisions I ever made.

    • @fortheloveofnoise9298
      @fortheloveofnoise9298 Před 4 měsíci

      10 more years all the Miatas will be running and a lot of the 124s will be junked

    • @jilianjing7549
      @jilianjing7549 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@fortheloveofnoise9298 As an Alfa Romeo driver in an 09 mito QV with a 1.4 multi-air, I disagree. I am at ~183.000KM's in a 15 year old car. My mother has a giulietta from 2016 with that same 1.4 multi-air in it, also going strong at ~80.000KM's.

    • @PhDPIMP
      @PhDPIMP Před 2 měsíci

      @@jilianjing7549 meanwhile Im driving an 08 Mito T-Jet, tuned, with over 265.000KM. These 1.4's are very strong.

  • @boogeyratt
    @boogeyratt Před 6 lety +46

    "What a great deal. 25-30 grand..." *20 seconds later* "As Tested: $40,500"
    Seems a bit misleading.

    • @CyberrJunky
      @CyberrJunky Před 4 lety +4

      They meant base models

    • @real_emilio_b
      @real_emilio_b Před 3 lety

      @@CyberrJunky but they discuss the the benefits of quality and comfort.
      The base model doesn’t have that at 30K.

  • @thinc2272
    @thinc2272 Před 6 lety +43

    The 124 Abarth is one flash away from being 197 HP. That makes it really fun to drive and peppy.

    • @serai711
      @serai711 Před 10 měsíci

      Teach me how to turn it into a 197 hp = powertrain

    • @thinc2272
      @thinc2272 Před 10 měsíci

      @@serai711 It was a few years ago and unfortunately i don't recall which company I bought the flash from. It was an easy process though.

    • @amigodesigns
      @amigodesigns Před 5 měsíci

      Surprisingly the same as the stock fiat 124, both the abarth and the non abarth the exact same engine, only the abarth comes with a more powerful tune from stock, but on dyno the different is only 10hp. Both can be flashed to the exact same power.

  • @m.goodpickle9609
    @m.goodpickle9609 Před 6 lety +68

    I disagree. In my opinion the Spider is a better handling, more stylish, and more fun car to drive. I had a 2000 Miata, and test drove the new MX5, then a few days later saw the Spider and drove it. After I did my research, I ended up with one in the garage. Love this car! To each his own...(I'm 6' and although it's "snug", I'm very comfortable...and a seat cushion DOES help on trips),

  • @peteflynn3923
    @peteflynn3923 Před 6 lety +22

    Great episode. But . . . the Abarth is the 124 to have driven. I got tired of waiting for Mazda to permanently fix the problem with the 6MT, and Subaru to fix the torque problem. So I bought the Abarth and am very happy.

    • @SilverScarletSpider
      @SilverScarletSpider Před 2 lety +4

      What was the issue with Mazda’s 6MT?

    • @MisoElEven
      @MisoElEven Před 2 lety +2

      @@SilverScarletSpider Well especially the first models had gearbox failures.. 15k miles / 20k km and you were in danger of a gearbox fail. Mazda tried to make it lighter but probably made it too light and weak so they had issues with mostly 2nd and 4th gear. In reality it wasnt that common so theres no reason to scaremonger about the issue - but its there. Apparently theyre better now but still not perfect since the mileage on all cars is going up and their warranty is expiring so there are still people with that problem on mazda/mx5 related forums popping up from time to time. If you buy it just get the extended warranty and youre going to be just fine, so far they almost always replaced them no problem.
      My comment might not be too relevant by now though since your comment is 5 months old :D anyway have a good day (or whats left of it)

  • @iantownsend500
    @iantownsend500 Před 6 lety +57

    I bought a ND Mx5 soft top & I don’t regret it one single bit

    • @93mlo
      @93mlo Před 6 lety +5

      Ian Townsend me too SOFTOP always my nd is 2016 gt manual

  • @jca4343
    @jca4343 Před 6 lety +26

    It's so sad for the 86. New header and a tune and the torque dip is gone. Toyota/Subaru really needs to do it. It still isn't "fast" , but it drives so much better.

    • @animated8623
      @animated8623 Před 4 lety +3

      I definitely agree. I installed a JDL Catless unequal length header and a 93 octane tune from HRI Tuning and the torque dip is gone, the noise is up, and overall the car just feels better.

    • @TheDumpbin
      @TheDumpbin Před 3 lety

      Yes I also did a tune on mine, got rid of (most) of the torque dip and added 22hp, completely different car. And these don't get 205hp at the wheel, its 160 I had it on the dyno. So now it gets 182....well 186 TRD intake and exhaust added another 4hp. With TRD parts and a tune, huge improvements.

    • @jca4343
      @jca4343 Před 3 lety

      @@TheDumpbin if you have e85 around you have your car set up to run that. It gets a little better yet. Flex fuel is best though. Then you can run anything.

  • @atascatorDAOC
    @atascatorDAOC Před 6 lety +3

    Welcome back boys.
    Great video. This production value is GREAT.
    It will be awesome to see a video with the same idea but seeking second hand cars 3 to 10 years old or so :)

  • @3ducs
    @3ducs Před 6 lety +8

    For me it's my '16 MX-5 Sport, the base model. It is my everyday driver in central New Hampshire, even through the winter. Here we have frost heaves and broken pavement. The terrain is smaller than in this video, tighter curves, shorter sight lines. Everyday driving in my community means observance of traffic laws, that doesn't mean no driving enjoyment, just that 6,500 rpm shifts are the exception, not the rule. The softer suspension of the Sport works well under these conditions. Coming up on 28K miles on mine, I like it just fine.

  • @jayespi37
    @jayespi37 Před 6 lety +4

    Love ur videos guys, and the scenery is amazing! Keep the videos coming, I look forward to every single one:)

    • @aldo90731
      @aldo90731 Před 2 lety

      Yes, loved the scenery, too. Looks like WA-20, not far from where I live!

  • @unitedstatesofmordor
    @unitedstatesofmordor Před 5 lety

    Ah-ha, on my second trip out with you guys, I think I found answer to some of the questions the first video left me pondering. I'd say you guys have the right cadence going. Once again thanks for another cool and informative video. Now i'm subscribed and fixing to dig a bit deeper. Keep up the good work.

  • @MrLibertyStudios
    @MrLibertyStudios Před 6 lety +2

    Honestly surprised these guys don't get more views than they already do. Great video!

  • @eur1gys
    @eur1gys Před 6 lety +3

    Love your reviews - do more of them !!!

  • @joro2
    @joro2 Před 6 lety +12

    Fantastic episode. And keep the 86 talk/reviews coming- I’m obsessed with this vehicle and can’t get enough detail or opinions on the Toyobaru platform. Thanks to you both for great TV and great podcasts.

    • @Dolby109
      @Dolby109 Před 6 lety

      Can't get enough detail? Just go 4 years back in time and there will be plenty.

  • @Toyota4Life
    @Toyota4Life Před 6 lety +18

    Toyota GT86... the new Corolla AE86.
    Gotta love it

  • @Z3sty367
    @Z3sty367 Před 6 lety +43

    Toyota really fucked the front end of that 86.

    • @swanblake
      @swanblake Před 6 lety +1

      Daniel Castaneda couldnt have put it better. Hideous. Thank god for the BRZ

    • @shaft9000
      @shaft9000 Před 6 lety +3

      Toyota seems as determined to make every grille a gaping inglorious polygon as Ferrari is to making every car look like Godzilla with no jaw.

    • @jeffk464
      @jeffk464 Před 6 lety

      Looks kind of like the mouth of those Japanese mask thingamajigs.

    • @Catalina._
      @Catalina._ Před 6 lety

      Daniel Castaneda Just bumper swap, duh...

  • @philipcarlson8696
    @philipcarlson8696 Před 5 lety

    Great job on laying out these 3 ....
    Really good useful commentary.....
    Bam.! That’s why I watch your channel.!

  • @resplendentwitticism
    @resplendentwitticism Před 6 lety +1

    Excellent work, as always!

  • @jeffk464
    @jeffk464 Před 6 lety +7

    Utah scenery really adds to your videos.

  • @solandaniel4861
    @solandaniel4861 Před 6 lety +2

    Very intresting video, keep up the good work!!

  • @danwemet
    @danwemet Před 6 lety +1

    Another great video guys!

  • @wisruteb
    @wisruteb Před 6 lety +1

    Another great episode guys. Well done.

  • @Guitarded500
    @Guitarded500 Před 6 lety +2

    Got a new BRZ tS. Love it. Great car to be able to push to the limit and have some fun whilst on normal roads.

  • @Xaluber
    @Xaluber Před 6 lety +3

    You guys are absolutely right about the powerband on the 86. I've got a 2017 BRZ and was pretty annoyed by it. As you mentioned however, the $500 OpenFlash tablet and some E85 (fully compatible with stock fuel system) woke it right up. On the latest V4 tunes the car makes 30hp more than stock and while the torque dip is still present (header needed to delete that completely), it's been reduced in severity and shortened to just between 3600-4400RPM.

  • @saviordream
    @saviordream Před 6 lety +4

    Thanks for the video, guys. Already watched it on Velocity, but it was great seeing it again, especially since I could see it in higher resolution on my iPad Pro than on my DirecTV.
    Been watching your channel for about a year now, and have listened to all your podcast episodes, and thanks to you guys, as well as other reviewers and owners, I'm planning on ordering a 2018 Subaru BRZ with the Performance Package in about a week or so. Can't wait to finally get back into a car that's actually fun to drive!

    • @EverydayDriver
      @EverydayDriver  Před 6 lety +4

      We definitely encourage to get the BRZ, and hope you really enjoy it. Glad to have you with us both listening and watching!

    • @Synthwave89
      @Synthwave89 Před 6 lety +2

      I have a '17 and I highly recommend you go for it. It's a terrific little car.

    • @saviordream
      @saviordream Před 6 lety +1

      Just sat in one at the auto show in Pittsburgh yesterday, and really fell even more in love with the car. As long as I can make a deal with my local dealer, I should be ordering one a week from today!

  • @Martinez271992
    @Martinez271992 Před 5 lety

    Great video guys! Keep it up!!!

  • @etoineschrdlu9382
    @etoineschrdlu9382 Před 6 lety +40

    I've had my BRZ as a daily driver since 2015. Although I have access to twisty roads, I mostly find myself on 4 lane highway and dealing with the infamous torque dip. I watched as Todd installed a FT-86 Speedfactory header and later tuned his FR-S with an Open Flash Tablet, and I felt that they had mostly fixed the Toyobaru's problems. I had been saving for the header but when I saw the OFT tune I saw it was the obvious first upgrade. The OFT tune did a lot to mask the torque dip but when I did finally install the header it was just gone. With these two mods my BRZ is much more driveable, especially on the highway. The torque curve feels flatter and fatter and you don't have to downshift just to get a little acceleration. In OEM tune this is the car that taught me to downshift from 6th to 3rd gear to accelerate at highway speeds. I now downshift and rev the engine for fun rather than out of desparation. Were the mods worth what I paid for them? The OFT is definitely worth it and it is very easy to use. The header? That's a little harder to justify since it's an expensive piece and was an adventure to get installed. However, I am very happy with the result: my daily driver is still a daily driver, but much more fun to drive. The mods haven't turned the BRZ into an undriveable garage queen, mileage is still great, and it now accelerates much more confidently. You guys are right about having to go to the aftermarket to fix these cars' shortcomings.

    • @EverydayDriver
      @EverydayDriver  Před 6 lety +3

      Cool to hear your experience here, David. Glad our series on the FRS has been helpful to you, and we are thrilled to hear you're enjoying your BRZ. Thanks for being with us!

    • @peteflynn3923
      @peteflynn3923 Před 6 lety +2

      I think you identified the ideal recipe for it. If I didn't insist on a roadster the BRZ would be my car and these, plus tires, would be my mods.

    • @htwooyukinari2652
      @htwooyukinari2652 Před 5 lety

      how much was the otf and header?

  • @Nighthawk-lr9km
    @Nighthawk-lr9km Před 6 lety +2

    Love the opening music in your videos

  • @ilcugginocanadese
    @ilcugginocanadese Před 5 lety +20

    Nice informational video but that 124 should've been an Abarth to play against the other two sportscars. The regular 124 is of little interest if you're looking for performance unless you're willing to modify it quite a bit. You also omit to mention that the Abarth doesn't only come with the upgraded Abarth engine but also has Bilstein shocks, a limited slip differential, 18" wheels on Bridgestone Potenza tyres, a "sports" mode, and firmer suspension overall. Albeit more expensive I chose the Abarth for those reasons. It doesn't only look the part, it can play it.

    • @desertsoldier41
      @desertsoldier41 Před 2 lety +3

      The US model Classica has 160hp the Abarth has 165hp, barely a difference. The Abarth just offers better shocks and a strut brace with an LSD. The Abarth is nearly $10,000 more. $1200 in mods will make a base Classica a more potent car.

    • @ChrisIsObes3
      @ChrisIsObes3 Před 9 měsíci

      The classica and lusso are almost identical to the abarth from a performance standpoint, and for 800 bucks either makes about 40 more hp than the abarth with a tune

    • @ilcugginocanadese
      @ilcugginocanadese Před 9 měsíci

      Yes but power isn't everything. Handling is radically different with the Abarth suspension and diff. Also: Sports mode.@@ChrisIsObes3

  • @demian7567
    @demian7567 Před 6 lety +3

    Nice works guys!

  • @Howbee
    @Howbee Před 6 lety +13

    I bought a 2017 860 special edition and I have not looked back. Absolutely in love with it.

    • @MikeJones-in3uk
      @MikeJones-in3uk Před 6 lety

      Joshua Wilson i. Love mine as well. Sexy car and great handling. And very pratical compare to the fiat and mazda rf

    • @Dolby109
      @Dolby109 Před 6 lety +3

      Honestly all of these special editions of the GT86 and BRZ just piss me off more and more every time. Heres a new edition with some minor changes, only $3-9k extra. Oh whats that? You wanted more power? No...no, we can't do that.

    • @zues2013
      @zues2013 Před 6 lety +1

      Joshua Wilson same here my friend! I got my 860 last month coming from a 2015 gti and love it yes I miss the boost and power but this car is so much more fun

  • @maynard04
    @maynard04 Před 6 lety +3

    really love the way that hardtop convertible is on the mazda

  • @pepipvv
    @pepipvv Před 6 lety +7

    Great episode. Loved it!

  • @moneyparhar
    @moneyparhar Před 6 lety +27

    What a wonderful roads and scenery beautifully views

    • @jahanzzify
      @jahanzzify Před 5 lety

      Which place is this???

    • @adrianelias2365
      @adrianelias2365 Před 3 lety

      @@jahanzzify Has to be Utah. Didn't you see the license plates?

  • @Ballacha
    @Ballacha Před 6 lety +9

    i have no idea why Fiat didn't go to Alpha Romeo and demand the 1.7L from 4C and put it into the 124. it's a great car in a sense that it drives like an NC MX-5 with $5000 worth of sensible aftermarket modes on it done by someone who knows what they are doing. a slightly de-tuned 4C engine at roughly 150-160KW/300-320NM would be perfect for the chassis of 124.

    • @Tourist1967
      @Tourist1967 Před rokem

      The car was at first pencilled in as an Alfa Romeo - but it was decided Alfas not built in Italy were unacceptable. Fiat has a long history of overseas construction.

  • @wisdomntshalintshali3296
    @wisdomntshalintshali3296 Před 6 lety +52

    The 86 reminds me of my very first car. A 2000 BMW 318 Ti M sport. Good engine, good chassis. I really want the 86 so I get back to that feeling

    • @michaelw2263
      @michaelw2263 Před 6 lety +16

      Do it!

    • @Synthwave89
      @Synthwave89 Před 6 lety +7

      You won't regret it. I love my BRZ and will keep it till I'm old.

    • @manbearpigonabike
      @manbearpigonabike Před 6 lety +1

      There are better options, I suggest keep looking.

    • @MikeJones-in3uk
      @MikeJones-in3uk Před 6 lety +9

      I have the 2017 toyota 86 automatic transmission. Im in love with the handling of the 86. Although, i have to admit the interior of the mazda is better than the 86. The exterior of the 86 is way better than the other two cars.

    • @wisdomntshalintshali3296
      @wisdomntshalintshali3296 Před 6 lety +4

      Mike Jones I think I'll go for the 86 and and change the whole exhaust system and then flash it. I'll look for the older models of the MX5. Hopefully the NC is a little more reasonable. And I'll go for the 2013 86, the front fascia fir the new is not appealing

  • @metartalo
    @metartalo Před 6 lety +1

    Great video. Do you prefer the RF or the soft top in yhe miata?

  • @itzed
    @itzed Před 6 lety +2

    Great production!

  • @IDontKnow-bb6mt
    @IDontKnow-bb6mt Před 6 lety +116

    86 would be perfect if they put the freaking WRX turbo'd FA20 in it.

    • @phattyhales
      @phattyhales Před 6 lety +9

      I agree but the problem is with the WRX's turbo location it wouldn't fit in the stock location. It was one of the first things I looked into when I bought my BRZ. Figured I'd get one off a wrecked one.

    • @fatboy19831
      @fatboy19831 Před 6 lety +9

      I hate all Japanese turbo motors. Especially Subaru ones. Turbo lag, non liner throttle response and no top end. The worst of both worlds. Add the cost and weight that comes with that and I would much rater an N/A aftermarket tune. You can get 25+ reliable wheel hp and flatten out the torque dip for under 2 grand. 35 to 40 hp if you can get e-85. More power everywhere with no lag.

    • @jeffk464
      @jeffk464 Před 6 lety +2

      +chance hales - oh well I don't like supercharger but they could easily make one fit, might be the best answer.

    • @jeffk464
      @jeffk464 Před 6 lety +8

      The Lexus 2.0T doesn't feel like it has anymore turbo lag than my GTI. I don't know that you have driven every Japanese turbo engine that is available.

    • @fatboy19831
      @fatboy19831 Před 6 lety +1

      Jeff K, The Lexus 2.0T has no top end. No Japanese turbo 4 offered in the US is 75% is good as the BASE GTI mill performance and drivability wise. The Japanese Turbos are more reliable than the GTI's 2.0T but even then only after 60,000 miles or so.

  • @jvrdlc
    @jvrdlc Před 6 lety

    A big reason why i follow this guys.... very knowledgable

  • @TheRedRocket
    @TheRedRocket Před 5 lety +3

    That was a beautiful road! Where is it?
    Which tire would you recommend for the 86?

  • @andyly7570
    @andyly7570 Před 6 lety +3

    Ty Paul and Todd, looking for more vids to come!

  • @michaele.7003
    @michaele.7003 Před 6 lety +2

    Make more videos guys.
    Keep up the good work

  • @TheDriversPerspective
    @TheDriversPerspective Před 6 lety +23

    Having just purchased a Toyota 86 the biggest thing I remind people, it is a tuner car just like the others. Yes, the torque dip is annoying but header and reflash fixes that...things you'd be likely doing anyways. I work at a shop and have played with all of these cars in various states of tune as well and the bottom line is they are all great in their own way. It is a good time to be an enthusiast!

    • @djoetma
      @djoetma Před 6 lety +3

      It's a car that can be tuned, but certainly not a tuner car. Torque dip? You're supposed to drive it high in the refs. Same with the remark about the 'terrible stock tires'. Toyota choose to deliver it with this tires. It's a purist car for people who don't want to spend much and have fun. It's not about being fast.

    • @japraptcars5338
      @japraptcars5338 Před 6 lety +1

      L.GH. Djoetma Not a tuner car? That's just plain wrong, it basically is the new AE86- the most well known drifting platform there is.

    • @djoetma
      @djoetma Před 6 lety +1

      Maybe we understand the term differently. In Europe tuning cars isn't really a thing for cars that have a specific idea behind them in terms of configuration. The GT'86/BRZ was designed to have this engine and these tires. It's about the fun you can have with it in this config, it was never meant as a car that should perform on the track as well as it can. That's what I meat. 'Tuner cars' is what I would car cars that will actually become better in the spirit they were designed for when you change the output.

    • @Dolby109
      @Dolby109 Před 6 lety +1

      Personally I think the idea of buying a brand new car to immediately tune is absolutely stupid. 1) The car should come with what the customers want, and if a significant amount of people are clamoring for more power, then clearly the manufacturer is missing something. 2) If you want a less reliable car without a warranty, then why not just buy a faster used (stock) car?
      Several times I've seen people buy a new BRZ, and dump a few grand into it's performance, only to end up with something much slower and less reliable than a $30k used Corvette, or Cayman.

    • @RobertSmith-bh5cv
      @RobertSmith-bh5cv Před 6 lety

      High revving HP is cool to talk about in the coffee shop parking lot but torque wins in the real world. And the 86 ain't got it. Driving around with the tach near redline gets old fast. But I never get tired of having a nice rush of mid-range torque pull me out of a corner.

  • @joshuaraleigh8545
    @joshuaraleigh8545 Před 6 lety +1

    Awesome episode and channel

  • @MikeJones-in3uk
    @MikeJones-in3uk Před 6 lety +3

    Keep talking about the 86 plateform. I have the 86 automatic and absolutely love it.

  • @louarmstrong6128
    @louarmstrong6128 Před 2 lety

    I love their back and forth honest comments

  • @tonyyang4469
    @tonyyang4469 Před 6 lety

    Always liked your videos. Not loud and annoying and acting like children like other car reviewers. You guys deserve more subscribers

    • @EverydayDriver
      @EverydayDriver  Před 6 lety

      Thank you! Glad to have you with us and enjoying what we do.

  • @K03sport
    @K03sport Před 5 lety

    I can't thumbs up 👍this video enough. These guys break the cars and sensations down to a real world level. I've watched all of their videos w/a brz/86/frs in it because I really want the car, but I want to make sure it's the right car. Great cars can easily be the wrong car and i want to avoid that at all costs.

  • @TheSushiandme
    @TheSushiandme Před 5 lety +6

    I want all of them in my 100 car garage and 1 bedroom 1/2 bathroom and outside shower house. :)

  • @hultii
    @hultii Před 6 lety +1

    I drove the RF with the bilstein suspension and recaro seats on the Transfăgărășan highway last year. It was made for a road like that..I only had to use 2nd and 3rd and it felt great.. I really didn't feel the need for more power on that road.

  • @mirullah1003
    @mirullah1003 Před 5 lety +4

    How about a review on the ND2?

  • @BecauseMiata
    @BecauseMiata Před 6 lety +2

    Fair review, but I would still like to see a head to head between the 124 and a Mx-5 club (both manuals). As great as that RF is, it still weighs almost 100 lbs more than the soft top version with the same power plant. Also the automatic may take away from some of the "feels" you had during your review. Other reviewers on CZcams have said that they're both pretty comparable, even though on paper the 124 has more power. Between the 3, I would have picked the RF too...but I may be biased ;)

  • @GastonMaqueda
    @GastonMaqueda Před 5 lety +1

    I have the Toyota GT86
    But I love the other two (And the 718)
    I love this channel

  • @diegoanchayalizarraga5016

    If they had the 124 Abarth spider, maybe Todd wouldn´t see again a miata...

  • @codyedsall9459
    @codyedsall9459 Před 4 lety +2

    Do another comparison review with the 2019 club convertible with brembo/bbs/recaro. (Manual)

  • @wretchedslippage3255
    @wretchedslippage3255 Před 6 lety +29

    "Abart."

  • @subnegro9173
    @subnegro9173 Před 6 lety +5

    The 86 is the best car here chassis wise and the 2 issues you guys mentioned I have fixed on mines. 300whp in a 2800 lb coupe with Michelin AS3+ wider tires

  • @kevinnorwood7355
    @kevinnorwood7355 Před 6 lety +3

    Would take the MX-5 if I was in the market for one of these cars. I like the fact that the driver has to be involved, unlike a lot of cars these days where your able to just put your foot down. Makes one a BETTER driver has well.
    Whoever buys any of these cars with a automatic is missing the point of these cars.

  • @Zander13Productions
    @Zander13Productions Před 6 lety +1

    another good video!

  • @leefranklin3054
    @leefranklin3054 Před 2 lety

    Really wish you guys would do a review of the ND2 version of the MX5

  • @runningnosejoe
    @runningnosejoe Před 6 lety

    superb review

  • @tims9294
    @tims9294 Před 6 lety

    Great job!

  • @genericasian
    @genericasian Před 6 lety +52

    I absolutely love my RF. I've also driven the FR-S and 124 and I just didn't like the 124. At normal around town speeds, the 124 felt sluggish to me. Once you get into boost, that changes dramatically. Otherwise, you're just running a 1.4L engine. The manual in the 124 is excellent also, since it was a repurposed NC MX-5 transmission.
    I'll say the manual for the ND is even better though...

    • @jeffk464
      @jeffk464 Před 6 lety +3

      All three of these cars deserve 2.0T engines.

    • @bliglum
      @bliglum Před 6 lety

      Yes, "EVERYDAY DRIVER" saying the 124 had the better engine surprised me. Just because it has a bit more character and the midrange turbo torque hit does not entirely make up for it's diminutive 1.4L out of boost, and especially doesn't make up for the fact that the 1.4 Fiat has proven to be an unreliable turd, whereas the 2L Mazda motor will likely be pretty bulletproof.
      I'd take the 2.0 and boost that... A MazdaSpeed MX5 RF with stiffer anti-roll bars and around 250hp would be sweet.

    • @Vykk_Draygo
      @Vykk_Draygo Před 6 lety +5

      The 124 is so easy to keep in boost. If you aren't in boost, then you are in the wrong gear.

    • @genericasian
      @genericasian Před 6 lety

      Vykk Draygo when I did a test drive on normal roads in normal traffic, it didn't always make sense to be in a gear to stay in boost. When puttering around town at low speeds (with other cars around) it felt every bit of the 1.4L engine that was under the hood. Sure, once you get some open road and can properly wake up the Turbo, it feels great. I just wasn't impressed with it in normal every day scenarios where you just want to get to where you're going, have semi decent fuel economy, and not be revving constantly.

    • @Lee-70ish
      @Lee-70ish Před 6 lety +1

      Jeff K Nope adds too much weight.
      he MX5 was designed around the 1.5 if you want more power use the BBR chip set that way you get the 2.0 output from the lighter better made 1.5 power plant

  • @joshuadoliveiro
    @joshuadoliveiro Před 6 lety +17

    I’ll have the Fiat because of the engine and it’s different

    • @gregblack4581
      @gregblack4581 Před 4 lety

      I have a friend with a abarth that he has tuned to be a very quick car . I have a 19 rf and he slays me . That will change if edelbrock makes the supercharger for the 19 MX5. I don’t want to turbo as the tuning scares me .

    • @desertsoldier41
      @desertsoldier41 Před 2 lety

      @@gregblack4581 The tuning between a Turbo and a Supercharger is the same process. The turbo is more load based while a belt driven compressor is more linear with rpm.

  • @liaviator5343
    @liaviator5343 Před 6 lety +2

    Can you guys review a Ford Fiesta ST, a Mini JCW and a Mazdaspeed 3??

  • @sephiros9883
    @sephiros9883 Před 6 lety +7

    For the Miata, you gain at least 3 inches in height with the recaro seats. They are a must!!!

  • @Alexander5R
    @Alexander5R Před 5 lety +1

    MX-5 Soft top Club model with the BBS package and manual transmision is the way to go.

  • @GlennsCarCollection
    @GlennsCarCollection Před 6 lety +14

    Great comparison. I have driven all three press cars for my CZcams channel, I would rank them MX-5 RF first, Toyota 86 second and Fiat last

    • @AlbertManiscalco
      @AlbertManiscalco Před 6 lety

      because you dont have the vision to picture them tuned...turbo wins every time if you tune them

    • @GlennsCarCollection
      @GlennsCarCollection Před 6 lety +2

      Then it would be modified vs stock, not a fair comparison. New flash ! Modified car beats stock version.

    • @34hockeyplayer
      @34hockeyplayer Před 6 lety +1

      Albert Maniscalco The whole point of the comparison is to compare them in stock form. That’s like saying let’s tune a Fiat to be faster than the Ferrari 458, we made the Fiat faster so it must be better than the Ferrari because only those with “vision”would know the Turbo car would win.

    • @AlbertManiscalco
      @AlbertManiscalco Před 6 lety

      hey genius in case you just crawled out from under a rock the two entirely japanese cars are amongst the most aftermarket tuned cars currently produced, so my argument isn't an extreme one...the FIAT being built on the miata platform with the same motor as the 500 also has huge tuning potential. argue all you want, but im on the money and if you were being objective you would say, "youre right, i hadn't thought of that" and move on with your life. im talking about comparing modified to modified (equal and realistic money spent), not comparing modified to stock, but youre intentionally misunderstanding that just to be a dick and act like im out of left field...also the RF is significantly more money than a base 124 so if you put the equal amount of money you spent on an RF into a 124 the 124 would be in an entirely different performance category...since you went there...

    • @jomaha9227
      @jomaha9227 Před 6 lety +1

      Turbo doesn't win tuned every time. Especially if you want to road race.

  • @roarpal6314
    @roarpal6314 Před 5 lety +4

    all 3 nice cars i did some test and i brought fiat 124 spyder classic!

    • @JayeAntonio
      @JayeAntonio Před 5 lety

      Do you love it? I'm going to look/buy one on the weekend !

    • @roarpal6314
      @roarpal6314 Před 5 lety +1

      Jaye Antonio yes i do get with manual.....i get lot compliments

  • @jessepotter365
    @jessepotter365 Před 2 lety

    I love my ND2 Miata. I kept my Accord thinking I would swap back and forth, but finally sold it because the Miata is just too fun to get out of.

  • @DanielFoland
    @DanielFoland Před 6 lety +1

    Woo-hoo! Yay EDDtv on the CZcamss!

  • @wretchedslippage3255
    @wretchedslippage3255 Před 6 lety +1

    that MX5 is an auto, though. I previously owned an auto FRS for almost 3 years and I loved it. I had so much fun in that car but I just got a 2018 86 manual. I understand what it is to actually love and have fun to the full potential of a car.

  • @Uhrmacher2
    @Uhrmacher2 Před 6 lety +2

    I enjoyed this, but one major oversight is the lack of coverage of practicality. Sure, you can focus on how fun these cars are for a weekend drive (like every other comparison does), but that's an incomplete analysis, especially considering how this channel is called "Everyday Driver" .Maybe if you have the luxury of owning a second weekend car, this wouldn't be an issue. But many of us use these as our primary cars. When I was considering the 124 vs BRZ, the BRZ's spacious cabin and large carrying capacity (with rear seats folded) was the deciding factor. Had you tried to fit as much luggage in the cars as you could manage, this would have been very evident.
    For that matter, why not drive each of these for a month every day? Of course, on a nice sunny summer day the convertibles stand out. But I have a feeling if Todd had to drive them on rainy days with the tops up, he would remember why he bought an FRS.
    I'm not knocking the MX5, it's an awesome car. I'm just pointing out a major oversight of this review.

  • @Ryukachoo
    @Ryukachoo Před 6 lety +17

    The 124 can be flashed to 200whp with no other mods. From there you can go quite a bit further to 250whp with intake and exhaust. I can hear all you typing about gist reliability but that engines actually pretty reliable. Everything else on a fiat breaks but here, that stuff is all mazda

    • @fatboy19831
      @fatboy19831 Před 6 lety

      For $500 OPEN FLASH tune on the Sky active you get almost 10% more power and torque across the entire rev range with an 7500 rpm red-line. The tune give far more power up top.

    • @Ryukachoo
      @Ryukachoo Před 6 lety

      fatboy19831
      Yes but you hit a power ceiling real quick on NA, and boosting is quite expensive compared to modding and flashing a stock turbo

    • @fatboy19831
      @fatboy19831 Před 6 lety +2

      Ryukachoo, 20 Whp changes the complete personality of these cars without compromising reliability at all. I am only running about 8 more HP in my BRZ! My torque dip is cut in half on the 93 open flash tune. Peak times do not change much. The cars feels so much more responsive. I am happy. Now running e-85 added about 20 hp whp and eliminated the torque dip wile adding MORE top end.. One push from 2000 rpm to 7400 rpm. Pulling much harder after 5000 rpm. Running E85 on an BRZ is like putting an gti engine in the BRZ. That is with no header or cat-back. To top it all off the car runs cooler on E-85 and can be flashed back to stock at any time. If you add UEL headers and a good cat back you can get another 15 or so whp and a torque bubble at 4200 rpm. You also can DROP 15 pounds off the front of the car and 10 pounds off the back. More power LESS weight. That may not seem like much but 35 whp i is enough to knock almost 1 second off the peak quarter mile time without having to do an 4500 rpm clutch drop like the stock car. Running better tiers and pads makes far more of a difference than adding hp in the twins. All in you are spending far LESS than the cost of an stage one turbo or SC. You have hang time on the track vs having to stop and cool down.

    •  Před 6 lety +2

      fatboy19831 I was shopping between the MX-5 and the BRZ. Then I discovered the 124 Abarth. Now I don't know which one to get :/

    • @fatboy19831
      @fatboy19831 Před 6 lety +1

      If you can fit in the MX5 and don't mind the body roll it is the one to get. For me the MX5 is the best car for the real world. If you want more room and practicality, limited slip standard, along with better steering and more top end the BRZ. If you want to be unique the 124 fits that bill.

  • @adrianelias2365
    @adrianelias2365 Před 3 lety +1

    Being short has its perks I guess. MX5 looks beautiful. I also love the Fiat 124

  • @miguelsagal3301
    @miguelsagal3301 Před 6 lety

    Hey I live in Utah. Just want to know what roads you guys go on? I want to take my Miata to those roads

  • @BlatentlyFakeName
    @BlatentlyFakeName Před 6 lety

    I drove an MX-5 NC for 5 years and the biggest issue with it was rust! (which I hear is also an issue on the latest model) The underside rusted so quickly, that after the car was only 2 years old we had to drill bolts out to do a wheel alignment because they were welded in by rust. Not good. I'm now daily driving a 2013 gt86 :)

  • @machineslave3
    @machineslave3 Před 6 lety +3

    Love you guys, but that turbo engine is not the better engine. Like Paul said in is his original GTI vs speed 3 vs c30 review, "power is not everything." Also, the complaints about going to the aftermarket for the suspension on the Mazda is a little unfair when you'd need to go to the aftermarket to remove the torque dip from the 86. Anyway, those are my thoughts, but good quality video regardless.

  • @Nick-xx9wz
    @Nick-xx9wz Před 4 lety +2

    This video is so insanely well done, I felt like I was watching a movie

  • @OscarMaris
    @OscarMaris Před 6 lety

    It wouldn't be an Everyday Driver video without an 86

  • @TMM6900
    @TMM6900 Před 6 lety

    do an episode on ilx and other entry sport luxury sedan please?!

  • @TapTwoCounterspell
    @TapTwoCounterspell Před 2 lety

    Need a link to the podcast about this episode

  • @Danny-qq5nr
    @Danny-qq5nr Před 3 lety +2

    124 best car, soft top manually operated no problems with electric motors

  • @winglessang31
    @winglessang31 Před 6 lety

    Does anyone think there will be more light affordable rwd 2 doors in the next couple years or are the brz and mx5 it forever? They’re great but almost not market competition.

  • @rickwebster4532
    @rickwebster4532 Před 5 lety +3

    I had a 124 for about 20.Years up date to contemporary electronics,update fit & finish.I 'd recommend.it

  • @aspiratedaloha2946
    @aspiratedaloha2946 Před 2 lety

    These two slowly grow on you, like a good no nonsense sports car does.

  • @ag4allgood
    @ag4allgood Před 2 lety

    In 2017 early March I saw a video review of a then new 2017 Fiat 124 Abarth Spyder. It caught my eye & the reviewer had many good things to say about the car. One sunny 60 degree day after work I stopped by the local Fiat / Alfa Romeo dealer. They had a White 124 Abarth looking awesome in the lot as I pulled up. No Black hood or trunk this was a calmer version. Exactly what I would want. So I got inside for the test drive & the Red tachometer is prominent in the dash. Seats were a nice leather. Impressed by its looks. The traffic was heavier on the road & stop lights seemed every 4 blocks to be RED. Its the heavy clutch that bothered me along with a notchy gear shifter that had me stalling this car 2 times because I was in 3rd gear NOT 1st from the stop. The engine from light to light had a turbo lag combined with that heavy clutch took the fun away from driving it. So I went home & did some research & saw the local Mazda dealer had 3 MX-5 soft tops. So the next day was about 40 degrees / cloudy with drizzle. Then I saw an Artic White MX-5 Club soft top with the Brembo / BBS package which is the Mazda version of that 124 Abarth I test drove. I liked the styling though the 124 Spyder had looked a little better in my eyes. The MX-5 test drive was awesome ! Super light clutch with a great shifter plus the engine has instant throttle response ! Now I was hooked. The drivability of that MX-5 Club was intoxicating ! The top down on that test drive in the cold wet conditions & it was fine with the heater cranked side windows up. I even got an extended test drive for the weekend as that was Saturday at their closing time. I could not get out of the drivers seat as the hours passed by. Monday I was there with the checkbook & my trade in was left in their lot over the weekend. Done deal. 5 years later this car is my daily driver & the winter tires transform it into a fun car for all weather. Awesome car !

  •  Před 6 lety +1

    Well, I own the 1.5 soft top MX-5 and it's fantastic :P

  • @travis_8833
    @travis_8833 Před 5 lety +1

    Nice video

  • @KRBY555
    @KRBY555 Před 6 lety

    you guys are such cheese balls - (it's been so long I have forgotten your names?) But the 'poorer' long hair dude is dope and has some great unique insights. So take that as a compliment - A lot of people try and do this, but you both provide a fresh take that is a bit more real than the LA based nerds. (PS - antipodean here)

  • @0ttoman
    @0ttoman Před 6 lety

    What about resale value of the 3?

  • @ZDY66666
    @ZDY66666 Před 6 lety

    I drive both the Cayman GTS and ft86. They BOTH have the same power dip/gap . All boxer engines do, my friends GT3, same thing. I don't hear any complaints on it on the GTS video...

  • @Daniel-dj7fh
    @Daniel-dj7fh Před 6 lety

    how is the mazda3 as an everyday driver?

  • @philliptran9427
    @philliptran9427 Před 6 lety

    Used sti, 350z, brz, or genesis coupe?

  • @GastonMaqueda
    @GastonMaqueda Před 5 lety

    I have the 86, but I love the three

  • @Austinomon
    @Austinomon Před 6 lety

    I have a brz and I wanted to know which tires you put on your Frs Todd because I trust your reccomendation

    • @wcdunn
      @wcdunn Před 6 lety

      I believe he put on something from Michelin's Pilot Sport series. Not sure which ones exactly though.

    • @phattyhales
      @phattyhales Před 6 lety +1

      They were 225/45r17 Pilot Super Sports.

    • @Runoratsu
      @Runoratsu Před 6 lety

      I drive an NC Miata, not an FRS/86, but since they're kinda similar: I can recommend the Michelin Pilot Sport 4-and if your rims are 19" or above, you could even go 4S, which are said to be in a class of their own (like a better Pilot Super Sports, which they succeeded).
      A grippier alternative that's recommended a lot in the Miata community is the Yokohama Advan Neova AD08R. It's more high performance with worse wear characteristics and wet grip, but supposedly incredible dry grip once warm (for a street tire).