madVR Envy Pro vs Extreme / What Are the Differences?
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MadVR on an HTPC (running MPC-HC) has been pretty great for me. Probably not as good as dedicated equipment, but it's a good cheap option.
Honestly just makes sense to do an htpc with the madvr renderer. More easily automated. Will accept prety much any filetype. Upgradeable, scalable. Can handle projecting at native res (for those wirh 4096 x 2160 projectors)
Thanks Mike & Ryan. I truly appreciate the feedback Gentlemen. See You next Sunday
Or a Lumagen Radiance Pro for $5K that does essentially the same thing. See Kris Deering's videos.
Kris Deering is a Lumagen dealer what do you think he's going to recommend? Notice how Ryan says he works for MadVR - Deering pretends to be neutral but never discloses he is a Lumagen dealer.
@@DLPHomeCinema This is false. Kris disclosed immediately to me he was a lumagen dealer. Kris is not a shady individual as you are implying and has a track record of being one of the best calibrators in the country. There are many that prefer Lumagen. MadVR is not better for many.
We all have to determine what works best for our needs and budgets.
@@BogaHomeTheater Ok. I have watched him multiple times recommend Lumagen products without disclosing that he is a dealer of said products. He is non stop pushing Lumagen products on AVSForum to hundreds of readers that would have no way of knowing he is a Lumagen dealer. There is nothing wrong with him pushing the product that he sells but everyone should be aware of the potential / likely bias towards that product.
@Laserdisc Home Theatre Lumagen have not incorrectly labelled the I/O's. gbps is throughput Ghz is frequency and is 1:1, 18gbps=18Ghz
No its simply the owner of Lumagen refusing to admit that he made a mistake and continuing to perpetuate that mistake to the end of time.
Can you do a video on using car subwoofers in home theater or even just car audio alone
LOL $13,495 for the extreme and $8,000 for the pro? GTFO! A JVC NZ8 is $15k. The MadVR Envy isn't offering value.
Nigel with Absolute Ultimate AV uses an Extreme on a $450,000 Christie Eclipse projector. I bet Nigel would have a different opinion on its value.
@@Youthman I get what you are saying, and I love your vids btw, but if the value proposition only applies to people with 50K plus projectors, then there really isn't a value prop. I am saying this knowing full well I will be pairing a MadVR / Lumagen with my NZ8, but I won't be doing it for value sake.
When you get to this level, it’s never about value. Of course, there will always be the law of diminishing return. The same applies to every sport and hobbyZ
I don't know that "throttling" is an accurate description. Envy picks algorithms based on how much power it knows it has - Extreme has more power than Pro so **theoretically** it can pick higher quality algorithm's. In the real world though for 24fps films the Pro is identical to the Extreme as far as upscaling and tone mapping. The Extreme provides geometry correcting and upcoming MI but at this point it is not accurate to say that Extreme is doing upscaling or tonemapping practically better than Pro (at least for 4k24).
I'm curious about something. I've noticed on the forums lately that there are a lot of posts where people are selling their Lumagens. Is it safe to assume that people are ditching those in favor of the MadVR?
I haven’t seen the used market but Nigel with Absolute Ultimate AV has completely switched from Lumagen to madVR. He has the Extreme connected to the Christie Eclipse at CEDIA 2022.
I have a Mad VR Envy Extreme paired with my Sony XW 6000. A friend of mine has the JVC NZ 9. We have compared them next to each other and everybody that sees them say that my Sony 6000 with the Envy Extreme looks better and the NZ9 is an awesome projector. That shows you the power of the Envy Extreme. It’s an absolute game changer. The people that are commenting negatively about the Envy have never seen it. It is expensive, but if you see how great it makes the picture, you would see why it is high priced.
Thanks for sharing your personal experience comparing the two.
Also something to note that Pro and Extreme both have different GPU's in them now then they did at launch so the current Pro is more powerful than the launch Pro which means you are getting a much more powerful Pro today than you would have a couple of years back. This does not mean it will ever get MI or the other Extreme exclusive features but if all you are looking for is upscaling, tonemapping, and auto aspect ratio the Pro is a beast and way better than top of the line Lumagen.
This is serious top end at £8k+. When there's a £1k model I'll look into this
Not going to happen.
it's 10000% overpriced. Who buys this and rly needs this? i don't understand.
Just because you don’t understand, does it mean it’s overpriced.
@@Youthman it’s overpriced. its basically a $2000 PC with proprietary software
If you can build an Envy for $2,000, go for it.
Or just buy a lumagen and call it a day.
Doesn’t seem to be the direction consumers and professionals are moving.
Sure if you want to settle.
People much smarter than me seem to be moving away from Lumagen to MadVR.
Lumagen takes quite a while to switch aspect ratios mid-movie, whereas MadVR does it instantly. Would be very distracting in the hundreds of movies that do that.
@@Youthman why? Because of marketing. Where is an objective comparison? Past shoot outs have seen Lumagen on top. Would you consider an interview with Jim at Lumagen so the audience is well informed?
Definitely overpriced to the regular home theater consumer, buuuuuut I can see how people with deep wallets could go for something like this. No Hate here, but maybe not something for 75 percent of the home theater consumer's.
Definitely won’t fit many peoples budgets, but I don’t feel that just because I can’t afford something means it’s overpriced. It’s just out of my price range.
Should be noted that you can get Madvr for free if you run out on a HTPC and use it as the video render. Files have to be played off of the PC
I don't know if this version supports all the features
Yes there is a free version that offers limited capabilities if you are willing to devote the time to learn it and deal with the quirks.
@@Youthman haha yeah! The learning curve is a gentle as running into a brick wall.
That’s what I’ve heard.