Mass of St. Kilian - Curtis Stephan
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- Get to know Curtis Stephan's newest Mass setting, the Mass of St. Kilian, in this helpful and informative video. Hear music from the USCCB-approved Mass as Curtis walks you through different parts and offers recommendations for music ministers. Joyful and full of energy, the Mass of St. Kilian was created for big, triumphant feasts like Easter, Christ the King and Corpus Christi.
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This mass setting really warms my Irish blood. With more traditional instrumentation, a lot of these pieces could fit well into an Irish session.
Palestrina, Victoria, Byrd, Tallis… and now we have this… brave heart back to the future Mass… how far we have fallen…
I am from The Netherlands and we NEED joyful masses like these!! Thank you so much Curtis! I texted you about the Mass of the Renewal.
The Mass doesn't need to sound like a musical.
Basic point, Curtis Stephan is not a waste of money. He has giving us so many beautiful and inspiring hymns. Know your congregation, and see if works for your Church community. No need to separate each other with unworthy comments. Would I use this Mass setting at the 7:30 am Mass? NO!!!! Would I use it at Confirmation Mass? Totally YES. The Holy Spirit Inspire us according the times we live in.
God Bless you All
The comments are essentially appropriate. Just because the composer has done other worthy work, does not mean this necessarily is. Does this pass the Tra Le Solicitudini tests for goodness of form, liturgical correctness, and universality? I think it is a difficult argument to make that it does.
What would we have done if we have been present when Jesus was talking with the Samaritan women or the Roman centurion? Unworthy comments, because all Jesus wants to teach us is love. All I am saying is, if something is not for you, it does mean is wrong. The separation between traditional and new is a dangerous problem, so we should go back to the main thing Jesus teach us: Love and respect. Maybe Curtis understood that and he is trying to get to the heart of all Catholics.
God Bless you my Brother
wow... why?
Engaging, inspiring and can see this helping people raise their hearts to God in worship, supporting the goal of full, active and conscious partipation in the Mass. I can see this going over well even without all the brass and extras. Thank you Curtis Stephan and OCP.
Nobody could possibly "Actively participate" in this. To the extent that parishioners are not irritated by the cinematic inspirations and tune out, all the syncopations, thumping 16 piece drum kits, the boy band second half of the Kyrie, and Peter Cetera style horn ornamentations ensure nobody will know where to jump in amidst all that accompaniment complexity.
Why? I know you tried. But why? This is not why I converted Catholicism. One of my undergrad degrees was in music. I want the history of the Catholic faith and the music. I'm sad.
There’s plenty of room for a wide variety of styles of music. You do not speak for all Catholics. The documents of Vatican II allow for all styles of music.
Actually, they don’t. Vatican II mandates that missionaries promote local music, and that, when it is deemed appropriate, *some* forms of local music *may* be used in liturgy, *provided* it meets certain criteria.
@@jakemiller250 you clearly haven't looked at the documents. They call for Gregorian chanting sacred polyphony.
@@TheIndividualChannel yes it does but that does but mean other forms of music are not allowed. One can have both. For example Chant the Antiphons and the use this mass setting
Question for Curtis Stephen: Considering how clear the Vatican II guidelines are on Sacred music are (e.g. no secular instrumentation, no secular styles, Chant as the model for liturgical music), do you have a moral responsibility as a musician to obey the wisdom of the Church?
Gio, the "Catechism of the Catholic Church" does Not forbid secular music; in 1158 we see "The harmony of signs (song, music, words, and actions) is all the more expressive and fruitful when expressed in the
"cultural richness" of the People of God who celebrate." To me: cultural richness describes joyous, and solemn, as the season dictates..
@@crnatn I'd read the documents again if I were you. Composers have particular moral responsibility to make sure music is stylistically set apart from the profane so that it integrates with the liturgy properly. Every document on sacred music from the papacy stresses this point.
In my younger days, I would have found this a great Mass setting and would have sang it happily in church. But I have changed as I have become more immersed in the Catholic tradition of music and in Catholic spirituality and history. I no longer believe something like this is appropriate for Mass. if the purpose of music in Mass were only to get people “pumped” for Jesus, like some Worship service at an Evangelical church, that would be one thing. But the Catholic tradition communicates the utter cosmic majesty of God and the silence required to encounter it. While not to the exclusion of joy, it calls for gravity and sobriety. This is what this contemporary music fails to communicate. This is what chant, along with polyphony, traditional hymns and the classic organ repertoire, does communicate
Too bad the lyrics aren't in Gaelic...🍀
The Mass of St. Kilian is something new, and sounds extraordinarily triumphant. Something really really good for an important day like Easter and other feasts as he mentioned. I'm 22, an active youth in my church and choir, and no we're not leaving the Catholic Church. It's pretty subjective for every person on how they feel about these mass parts.
For me, it's beautiful and has taken a lot of hard work to put into it. It is upbeat I agree, but I believe you can slow down the tempo as per you, and take it more solemnly. You don't have to match the recorded version. I'd really like to thank OCP and Curtis, for these wonderful mass parts so that I can sing Glory to God, or even Holy, Holy, Holy Lord.
Did you notice the auto tune? The composer couldn't even sing it without help from a computer.
Oof.
Amazing
This is why the youth are leaving the Catholic Church. Just ask them what they think of this and they'll be open and honest as they're leaving the doors.
You are mistaken. I belong to the parish where Curtis works, and this is but one mass setting in use and parts of it we use more often than others. He has taught our parish how to chant. This is an "older" setting for us as it was used for the dedication of the main church where he's speaking in 2001. Typically, the majority ARE singing from the pews at every mass. Curtis takes the time before mass to teach new things or to remind parishioners for things like chanted responses for the liturgy if the priest is one who prefers to chant.
We grew from 75 families as a mission with Msgr. Kilian Broderick to more than 30,000 registered parishioners in the last 15 years. We have dozens of vocations to the priesthood and religious life that started with our dedication of a Perpetual Euchsristic Adoration chapel in 2005. If someone or something is causing people to leave the Church, it isn't this music. If you don't care for it, don't use it, but it's in use around the world in places where the Church is not shrinking.
@@Peri2C I can't imagine how it'd get that much singing - it has so much elaborate pop music ornamentation, there's scarcely room for any singing. And while there may be some chance that'd be true at the author's home parish, that's pretty anecdotal, and unlikely to be repeated anywhere else. Lead with an unaccompanied Holy, Holy (the ICEL chant) set to the melody of Missa XVIII, and far more people will participate, even if the guitarist's BOSS pedalboard gets less of a workout.
Yep. I left go to the Orthodox Church and it is my permanent home. Learned more about Catholicism than a Roman Catholic parish.
Best new Mass in many many years… well done
@Dominic Casanova mass of the americas is completely unsingable for a congregation.
Sacrosanctum Concilium:
but bishops and other pastors of souls must be at pains to ensure that, whenever the sacred action is to be celebrated with song, the whole body of the faithful may be able to contribute that active participation which is rightly theirs, as laid down in Art. 28 and 30.
1) unsingable by a congregation, 2) terrible attention to text-stress and miserably repetitive and trite harmonic language, 3) falls flat with more modest forces, but also an absolute waste of a church’s money to hire anywhere near the number of musicians to make it sound like the demo track, 4) no cross-cultural connection, strictly American consumer music, 5) no relation to millennia of great sacred music or to what the Church calls composers to create. Way to drive young people like me far, far away from OCP.
The Church does not “call composers to create” a certain style of music. You are completely incorrect.
Sacrosanctum Concilium:
119. In certain parts of the world, especially mission lands, there are peoples who have their own musical traditions, and these play a great part in their religious and social life. For this reason due importance is to be attached to their music, and a suitable place is to be given to it, not only in forming their attitude toward religion, but also in adapting worship to their native genius, as indicated in Art. 39 and 40.
@@jakemiller250 It does, however, insist on the right of participation by the faithful. This strange assemblage forecloses that possibility, as this is completely unsingable with all the weird offbeats and note mathemtics, 16th note melismas, and interfering brass parts clearly composed on a synthesizer and then printed out for the brass players from NoteFlight.
As to the inculturation aspect ("musical traditions"), the style of these pieces are from a pop music form native to only one culture - Earth of the 1980s - a planet temporally separated from us by 40 years and the light months we've travelled on the galactic plane since such music was in vogue.
@@admiralbob77 I agree but I think certain parts of this Mass (Gospel Acc, penitential rite, sprinkling, Lamb of God) are singable
@@jakemiller250 the lamb of God was nice. I didn’t see anything else I could use, other than the first half of the Kyrie.
Clearly the positive comments on here are OCP employees or Curtis Stephan’s friends. This is atrocious and should not be anywhere near inside of a church. It’s so bad my wife said “what the hell are you listening to? It sounds like a really bad musical” and this is coming from someone who isn’t even a musician. Please throw this away.
Nope. I like it and have never met Stephan and don’t work for OCP. Speak for yourself. Not others.
@@jakemiller250 speak for YOURSELF. You are in the overwhelming minority.
WOW!! This is a great mass setting. Totally love it!! Curtis Stephan did one superb job composing this mass setting. This mass would work perfectly during the whole Easter season. Would indeed work well on the Feast of Christ The King would also work very well at Christmas too. Also when certain feasts fall occasionally on Sundays. Like "All Saints Day, Assumption, Transfiguration, Triumph of The Cross"
Also love Curtis wrote music for part "B" of the Penitential Rite. This could be sung each week during Lent.
Truly terrible music, sounds like "Go Go Power Rangers". Shame for it to be let into the Church. Poor Killian. I thought the Dominicans were better than this nonsense.
The people in the video aren't even singing along. I thought that was the whole point for the last 100 years, participation, participation. Otherwise, you're just performing back to the future at mass like a concert.
What a mess of liturgical nonsense. Yuck. 🤮
This is horrible! Sure to cause people to walk out of church. Certainly, I would do so promptly if I heard nonsense like this being sung.
It should be called the Go Go Power Rangers Mass