Scythe techniques from Paulus Hector Mairs De Arte Athletica
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Interpretation of the 10 scythetechnique pages from fightingmanuel De Arte Atheletica, a 16th century manuscript by Paulus Hector Mair.
Translation: Josselin Jolen
Camera & Edit: Thijs Meuwese
Fighters: Youval Kuipers, Rouke Pouw, Marc Dekker
Costumes: Nadja Turlings
Music: "Play After Play" - Harold Kloser & Thomas Wander
In coorperation with: University of Utrecht & Noorderwind (split into Bataille & Vanguard)
When you catch a neighbor sowing their oats in your field.
Free oats for you.
The euphemisms are strong in this one.
😂😂😂😂
the song "dueling banjos" plays while two farmers duel with scythes. EPIC
2:10
Based off the fact these seem to be real metal, the amount of trust and control you both must have is amazing.
it's not that dangerous if they have the stone tip
@@damu9070you go get hit by that and tell us it doesn't hurt
@@hughmongus6959 I just said it's not that dangerous lol, it most definitely will hurt. But either way they still have really good trust and control.
Sheesh I was on the edge of my seat with how close the blades were. After several deaths they brought you this video.
Red D.R.O I'd imagine that the actual scythes were blunted or plastic to mitigate the danger.
The scythes were blunted
exeldro hit someone in the eye with a point like that and sharpness wouldnt matter
renegade, man I miss strife.
@@Exusiai. what happened to it? I haven't played Roblox in months
"It's also a customizable, high impact sniper rifle."
Andrew Raslan "What?"
"It's also a gun"
Fiore: "Says the guy wearing puffy pants"
Mair: "THEY'RE *COMBAT BREECHES*!"
Meyer: [Low-fives] "Yeah"
Combat Ready!
RWBY ofcourse
0:45 That reversal is beautiful. The way he just rolls out of being blocked like that into another attack.
You can tell he's be trained in other forms of stick/sword combat. That roll is actually common in kali/escrima arnis, a Philippine stick/sword fighting style. I practiced it and other forms of martial arts for 10 years. I really need to het back into martial arts. Its a great physically expressive outlet, not just a violent sport
I've been trying to write about Scythes used in battle and this is exactly what I've been looking for. Scythes look a bit unwieldy, but this is a great demonstration imo. Thanks!
This was a manual made into real life, basically step by step. Performance outstanding, however, I doubt they started from such awkward stances. Tie in a little kungfu bo action and there ya go!
Scythes are the worst thing you can bring in battle because you have to assume that the enemy is running away instead of attacking you. it is the most ineffecient way of attacking someone, Scythes pull they do not push. the enemy is coming at you with armor and you think pulling them into you with your sliding blade will stop their sword from stabbing into you? Not only that but these are designed for cutting grass and farming wheat.
They look scary thats why they are in artwork. Nothing else other than appearence.
One last time. would you rather look cool and die or be a normal person and survive.
@@selfactualizer2099 that's why they were never really used in battle. (Sans one unit in poland) 'war scythes' were guisarmes, bulls, and lucernes(kinda). But a farmer sure as hell could use one for home defense.
@@biffwellington7577 Well war scythes were also sometimes strengthened and straightened out scythes, which effectively turned them into a cheaper version of the guisarme or similar weaponry.
@@cerysllosgau698 true, I mean anything sharp or with a point has a use
When you’re school bully shows up with a knife but you pull out a scythe
In my case, it’s both.
Ez claps
One does not simply pull out a scythe.
Its disrespectful you know.
The bully : 👁️👄👁️
@@moonbiillust lmao 😂🤣
I can only imagine fighting with a scythe when you have the pure intention to kill and look like a maniac.
damn same-
omg yes yes yes
I dont see it that way
Scythes are way more powerful than swords if you get skilled at it, circular attacks with distance will always be supreme over strike attacks
@@kerronhackshaw3632 war scythe would be an good polearm to use in both war and self defense,but an farmers scythe and fiction grim reaper Scythes would be very crappy at dealing with an sword opponent do to the inward curve.
Fighting with a scythe seems very awkward but i can see the damage output of this weapon to be very devastating which is what may have kept it going in the olden days
Anthony Drummond Jr Yeah but maka does it good and it’s epic
@@julianarstrp you cant do a witch hunter irl HAAHAH
I think the biggest reason it was used as a weapon is because it is a farm tool as well.
If your opponent has even a lick of armor it's practically worthless. Like a katana, it could really only be used for slaughtering unarmed peasants lmao
@@kingrhythmo9045 Really? I would think the pointy end would be great to reach holes in the armor or even punch holes in it.
The scythe as a weapon is basically a medieval farmer needing to defend himself and going "this is better then nothing"
And the war scythe is basically when the farmer goes "hey this works better then I thought!"
I really like the dynamics of the exchanges. You managed to take something that seems impractical in concept and turn it into a deadly art.
they are following a 16th century manuscript
@WaffleDragon the point of them is that's all normal people had to fight with. Martial arts, in all cultures, uses what's available to fight back. Rice flails are another such weapon.
@WaffleDragon I agree swords are more practical than scythes in battle. But what's more practical than those two are simply spears and halberds, by far.
They are just being idiots with *farming tools* Those arent weapons, anything with a blade can be turned into a weapon. Why would you not use a scythe? Because all you have to do to beat it is lunge forward.
Any real weapon meant for kiling and not. cutting grass and hay. Will win 10/10 times because it was a nexperienced fighter. not a farmer. Only a farmer would think this makes sense. because they farm. they dont fight.
@@selfactualizer2099funny you say that, there have been multiple occasions in multiple cultures throughout history where scythes were effectively used to repel an attacking force by little more than peasant farmers, the vast majority of whom likely had no martial experience. Read up on the 17th century invasion of Poland by Sweden for a prime example.
I like seeing people interpret these techniques in a comprehensible way, and as impractical as a scythe may be in combat it is still interesting to see that there was a fighting style based around them, albeit a very basic one.
I have a dnd character with a big ol' fantasy scythe, and as cool as it looks I've been having a hard time imagining him fighting with it. This is perfect, showing the ways to hook it behind and position for stabs with the point. Beautiful.
A fellow Scythe wielding player. Glad go make your acquaintance.
I have a scythe user too
Watching a couple videos about scythe combat from Eastern and Western styles, I've come to the conclusion that the scythe is a weapon of deception. It's a gimmick, a tool to confuse your enemy and minimize their strengths rather than directly overpower them with your own.
The scythe can be used for an uber-conventional strike, but its ideal means of harming is the slice, simply place the edge of your weapon against your enemy’s body and push or pull to open a wound. However, the true defining moment is what you do prior to this action.
The scythe's structure gives it an odd center of gravity, but this can be put to one's advantage. The weapon pivots quite easily, my interpretation of the reoccurring term "Taking-away" is essentially the act of receiving/deflecting the opponent's weapon with the scythe's pole, then twist it to position the blade for a slice or a light stab aided by an instant fulcrum. Additionally, one could bat a weapon aside while pointing the blade upward, then let it fall in the needed direction to position the blade for a wound.
After the first wound, the opponent may hesitate, especially if they have a more conventionally trained fighting style where judging distance is vital. Not to mention how the pivoting action can make them as wary of the pole as they are the blade. From there, one could land a blow with more stopping power aided by a full-body swing.
Here in Brazil we have a popular saying to say that if something or someone is very ugly, we say that it is "ugly like a scythe fight". Now I understand the reason of the popular saying!
And in the same way some medieval nobles used to say: "Rather face the plague than a group of angry reapers."
Nunca ouvi isso na minha vida
@@pedrohenriquemaciel1954 O termo "feio feito uma briga de foice"? Já viu a animação A Nova Onda do Imperador?
@@carlosandino821 meu amigo, não me ataque de surpresa desse jeito
A nostalgia bateu com força agora
Sequer lembro a última vez que vi esse filme
The scythe may be subpar as a weapon, but I think this pretty clearly illustrates that if you're desperate (or crazy) and skilled, you can make it work as a self-defense option.
just realized that the technique from 2:10 is for castrating your enemy.
Very useful in a battle scenario. Cant hit the man if your balls are a bleeding mess.😅
T_T;
The groin area also has lots of arteries. The humiliation of castration is just a bonus
The Scythe has always been the most badass looking weapon for me, and now you're telling me it may actually be OP ?
Still a very bad weapon and especially in a battle a scythe like this is totally unusable. However scythes just need some minimal amount of smithing and adjustment to remove the handles (or use a new better suited spearshaft) and attach the scythe pointing straight up from the pole and you have made a nice improvised spear or glaive. And this modification was used plenty in medieval battles if I recall correctly.
@@lordhelmchen3154 yes. Scythe was just a farming tool but as of usefulness in combat, I mean if someone is desperate enough it is still pretty useful. Anything can be deadly if the wielder have the intention to harm. Impractical for sure considered how long and heavy that thing is but that weight alone can also be an advantage. More weight equal more impact. It all comes back to the person wielding it.
@@LeanneKrv "anything can be deadly"
No
Tears can't be deadly (at least for the opponent)
@@lordhelmchen3154 Most weapons performed poorly on the battlefield though, because there were loads of different situations that needed different weapons. A scythe is the type of blade a lot of peasants and farmers might have access to though, so they could be effective in home defense.
@@devilsknife823 the binding of Isaac disagrees
Me and the medival bois getting ready for area 51
Oh my goodness, people actually do this
And it looks awesome
I could imagine that if two people would fight with scythes the fight itself would only last for a matter of seconds. You could only be countered once before it's all over. I realize that a scythe is not an ideal weapon by any means, but this video is extremely informational in the fact that it shows the potential that a scythe has. Very great video.
That's usually how all weapon fights go.
This was done by the stunt and performance group Noorderwind, now known as Bataille. They are based in the Netherlands. Awesome people! Credit where credits are due!
Huh, so you CAN use a scythe as a weapon. I always thought it was just something games did cause it looks cool, like dual wielding
Dual weilding is also an actual thing. There are books and books on technique, and it's slightly less defensible than a shield, but it is actually pretty cool. If you're interested, one of the coolest fighting methods I've ever seen is cloak-and-dagger fighting.
You CAN, but it's certainly not the most effective weapon option. A hefty stick would probably be more effective, or a proper war scythe.
@@InSanic13 while yes, war scythes would be more effective, your average poor medieval farmer isn't gonna have a war scythe laying around with his farm tools. Keep in mind that scythes in battle were usually improvised weapons for peasant revolt
@@MathasiaJ Bruh you realize that to make a war scythe you just bring your normal scythe to a blacksmith and he reforges the end so you can attach it straight on to a pole? And then you have him reforge it back if you survive the war? You really think they had so much extra metal in ancient times that they just had piles of 'war scythes' lying around?
@@chimponkoman yes I'm aware of the process of modifying a scythe into a war scythe, however there are recordings of polearms that were specially designed and looked similar to a scythe that became known as a war scythe, especially in northeastern Europe and into Northwest Asia
I have to say that I'm grateful to the person who posted this video in the writing Discord that I'm a part of. This shows me that combat with a scythe isn't as bad as I'd thought it was, though I still wouldn't go up against someone in metal armor with one, since that limits your options. My main contention is if you miss with the point of the blade. Someone in armor wouldn't be bothered by an attempted cut to their back if they'd stepped into the swing and captured the scythe. But against someone in gambeson, it would be much more dangerous, and their best defense would be to step back or parry/block and reposte, I would think. I'm not a HEMA expert, nor am I am armor expert, so if I am wrong, I will be happy to learn from my mistakes.
They look like real, sharp scythes, and that looks dangerous...
Don’t worry the scythes were blunted!
@@starbee325 does it look like that fucking matters if the point goes through someone?
the scythe guide got me through platinum and i am now a diamond rank brawlhalla player, thanks for the clear visuals and showing how to improve. this was especially useful for scythe dittos
Finally I've found real scythe fight. I'm tired looking at anime fight
I now know how to properly communicate my distaste for gardenwork. Thank you.
*The reaping begins with purpose*
No one:
Me: *Intensif Beacon Acedemy flashback*
Now, I want to learn how to harvest souls!
Currently writing a script and this was super helpful! Thank you!
Tge scythe is not a cutting wappon
Its a stabing wappon
Gotta keep that in mind
My favourite scythe attacks are the ones from below
You can use physics to strike really fast
Scythes can hardly slash, and that makes it inferior to the sword.
The stabbing speed is also slow, which makes it inferior to the spear.
I love Scythes
Having just finished doing a play that had a large stage combat piece (for a kids theatre) based in medieval combat, i am super impressed with the skill shown here.
I mean, it *is* designed specifically for cutting and slicing, so technically, any technique taken from the traditional farming methods can also be applied here. I also want to mention the technique involving the scythe tied to a rope, and swinging that around, super fun and guaranteed multi-kill. Pick those ankles up if you want to keep them.
This is well done but SO COMICAL too
Comical ? imagine anger someone who has Scythe nearby. Lets see how funny would that be ...
I understand, here we say that if something is very ugly we say it is "ugly like a scythe fight." And in this case the ugliness is that the end result of such a fight is just a bunch of sliced meat and two clean skeletons without meat.
There was nothing comical about two people fighting with scyths, he was referring to the role play the guys put into the video, they made this very enjoyable to watch as well as learn with.
Damn boys, using real blunted metal blades with no masks, helmets, or even eye protection? Ballsy.
Same thought here. They weren't far off with them blades at times.
It handles well, doesn't have issues, but most importantly, it will keel
Very nice demonstration.
Even just looking is scary.
Respect to these enthusiasts for their efforts.
Scythes feel like the situation with chain weapons. They seem unpracical, but can be very useful, especially in the right circumstances.
I just love how stylish scythe can be
Whoa, amazing and terrifying to watch
It could be very useful as a weapon.
The blade itself should be very thick; almost unbreakable.
The peak should be medium spiked/sharp to have a great shattering capability; to shatter the armour.
The blade should be very sharp to cut through the naked parts or the parts where you smashed the armour with the peak.
Also, where the pole meats the blade, there should be two short spikes: one straight and the second going in opposite direction from the blade.
That way, you could have a mace, the sword and the dagger.
Cut the blade at the start near the pole and you have a sword catcher; sword blocker.
I had the privilege of taking a Mair scythe workshop in the Netherlands in the 2017, and they are awkward in the most delightful way.
The move at 2:10 aaah!
Searched scythe fighting out of curiosity, I I see these masters of scythe.
Great work, gentlemen
Wow it's so cool the fact that you can change your state in a blinc of an eye
my god those are real scythes X_X
A lot of militiamen and foot soldiers couldn't afford swords and other weapons tailored for war. They had to make due with what they had - usually farming equipment. Scythes, sickles, hoes, pitchforks, and in the case of the Japanese, kunai were among the many things that lower-class soldiers would bring into battle.
2:09 my God it's hurt!
Literally the sexiest thing I've found all day. Thank you.
Woooh, guys guys guys, can't we just talk this over?!
That is some excellent control you guys have over a weapon that seems unwieldy! Kudos.
I’m sorry but towards those Manuals why are they always agents anther weapon of the same type? Shouldn’t it be instead against like a spear or a common weapon?
Been considering one since the gas trimmer is getting finicky. Turns out it might even serve for home defense. Talk about practical lol.
Excellent - intricate applications - thanks.
You guys are really good. Able to clash the weapons, but practiced enough not to hit each other.
the groin one made me shiver, hell no
I blame hit boxes
Also good video
Nice interpretations!
this is incredible, great work !!
Finally someone actually demonstrating the treatise instead of just saying "Uhhhh not a good idea uhuhuhuhuh"
Vampires all around the world had been really quiet since this video was released, years ago.
I cut the grass at my field with that ... its a hard work but no one is around so its relaxing
I think if you shorted the blade a bit and maybe make the handles a bit more refined it could probably work
wouldnt mind seeing a video on modern day techniques, yes a scythe seems highly impractical in a fight, but even then, a scythe will still be a very intersting weapon to use in a fight, your enemy will be confused and will be taken aback due to such a weapon...
(im actually designing a sort of fold up scythe should anyone be interested in helping with it, just say scythe plan in a commnet on my channel and i will get in touch)
Im just worried that some of them might accidently hit each other
I too was on the edge on my seat and it was so intense and close, I was breathing so heavily.
This is actually pretty cool from someone who has some knowledge in eurooean sword martial arts.
The Jesters' first choice of weapon.
После нескольких смертей они наконец-то выложили это видео. Я рад, что наконец у парней все получилось (С)
the scythe martial art looks really tricky and unpredictable
So the thing I'm trying to wrap my head around is it looks like when they stike they do it like they're trying to impale eachother, but scythes I know are moreso for slicing. How would one slice a person with a scythe? Like unless they're tied up or asleep, it seems pretty unrealistic to think it could work, which I guess is why they were never a standard weapon.
well that seems pretty deadly, it cannot beat the good old pitchfork tho
Единственное, непонятно, почему лезвие косы повернуто на 90°?
При переделке косы для боя получался "косарь".
Который больше напоминает нагинату или гуань-дао.
Дык универсализм. Коли мирное время, так коси траву для скота. Ежели уж вороны войны полетели, так косу наизготовку, вперёд и с песней.
it's also an electric guitar
2:08 THAT MOVE THO. I'm not even a man- OUCH BRO
Basically anything that can harm the enemy and make them lose focus, gives you time to deliver the killing blow. Just that 0.5-1 second stun is enough if you react quickly.
I'm pretty sure that would hurt a lot as a woman too.
@@YraelBlackwing This is true. XD
I wanna see how they might be used against something more traditional like a sword or axe ect
How would this be able to defend against a spear is what I’m thinking, what do you do when the spear guy does a long stabby stab?
anime brings me here
That would make a great hybrid hero for For Honor.
ive never seen anything even close to this video, this is absolutley insane, i would never want someone with a scythe angry at me trying to hack me to peices holy shit that is the most terrifying weapon
So scythe combat is based on follow up attacks
Tonight Gehrman joins the hunt
They should learn from the allos and just stealth mode and wait for the opportunity to strike a one kit ko
Man did i ever find what i was looking for
Scythes are so cool
Why am I watching this instead of studying, how did I even get here.
Does it still effective if it is double hilt with a "pole blade". Something like a weird halberd?
Scythe martial art are so kool
Different from other weapon, sychte way to deal damage to is unique and hard to block. It swing like sword, but impaling like spear. It inner sharp enough can be used to cut neck or leg. Use this kind of weapon need lot of training
Taking notes for my rpg game :D
my butthole was puckering with every strike. That looks dangerous as fuck! The trust here is next level.
great art refrence tbh
Alternate title:
"How Death fights"
Give in to the will of the scythe...it commands you to dance of death, the reapers rhythm.
And they said scythes are "Useless".It depends on who's using it.
I can just imagine two old-timey farmers dueling each other with scythes because someone has been chopping up their crops.
Let the Royal beheading Commence, for thy lord has bestowed the power to wield such weapons and tools!!
I want this in For Honor