Good times!! I love sharpeneng, even the sound its very relaxing. Something that can almost always put a smile on my face is when i put a realy sharp edge on something!!
I use the Wedgek Angle Guides. They work more as an orientation point but that`s exactly what I am used to thanks to the Work Sharp Guided Field Sharpener. They are available as a pack with 10° to 20°, spanning pretty much all my favorite sharpening angles.
lol this video is so awful. I wish it wasn’t as popular as it’s become, bc i would delete and redo it. Too long, too much talking, and i just didn’t end, when i should have. Thank you for the kind words. I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment 🙏
Just noticed the water bottle. I did the same thing after a couple crummy Walmart spray bottles. Grabbed a bottle of water, drilled a hole in the cap, and voila. Really simple and effective.
Looks like the clamp could be useful learning to sharpen with both hands. I've tried it but can't seem to hold a consistent angle with my left hand, maybe something like this would help. Enjoyed the video.
I got another video floating around using this guide thats a little less frazzled. This video kinda got away from me as i recorded it and went to parts i never planned on 😂
They aren't bad for messing around, or even learning how to switch hands. As for the Bark River compound, after using it more, I can definitely say, I hate the stuff.
Some questions: Do sharpening snones grind the angle guide too? If yes, then to what extent? The sharpening angle does surely change with the change in the width of the blade and / or in the thickness of the blade spine. This may not be critical for cheaper kitchen knives, but may have dramatic consequences for expensive artisan cutlery. It seems that a set of angle guides of different thickess could help, or can this problem be addresed otherwise?
Yes I believe I stated in this video at some point, that dragging it across the stone, it does indeed abrade the ceramic (or whatever they are using as that white guard). How much? Very little, but over time, I am sure it will become noticeable. Given the angle is pretty obtuse on most knives, this could be a good thing. In effect, dropping the angle a bit, making it more acute. You are correct that there is not much that can be done to compensate for the angle differences. You will either need to reprofile the knife to the angle the guard sets, or you will create a secondary cutting bevel, if it is more obtuse than what is existing. I would not suggest using it on high dollar kitchenware (or pocket knives for that matter). If you are looking for precision, check out the Hapstone sharpener, or the edge pro.
I'm confused on how this maintains a desired angle. Since it clips to the spine, it seems like the resulting angle will depend on the width (spine to edge) of the knife.
Your correct. Consistent as in no blade wobble from your hand. Splitting hairs imo about terminology but yea the blade width and spine will determine the angle. The distance from heel and tip will also change the angle along the length.
Not a fan of the freehand clamp things just learning freehand seems better to me I do like the little angle guide blocks you set on a stone to figure out what angle your sharpening at but that’s it for me
Hey bp I really like the angle guides as well. And your prolly right if people would try that they would be surprised how good of edge they actually get!
I think they all have a place. Imagine someone has severe tremors. This guide would be perfect. That's not to say it is always being used in such a scenario, but it's nice to know there are options.
Kitchen supply store locally. Cost like $20. You can get them on Amazon too. Search for Commercial Products Food Storage tote that should get ya an idea of what to look for
Cuz I am hard headed, and must do things the most difficult way possible :p Seriously though, it never occurred to me. This was only the 2nd or 3rd time I had ever used this thing.
No i only have the one clamp. I’m pretty decent at free hand so never felt a need to get another. I don’t see how it could hurt though. Esp on a large knife. The bevel would be more uniform I’m sure.
If I were to do a demonstration of my bar of brk white, what grit would you say the scratch pattern off your suehiro 3k is close to with other stones? My 3k will shine it up too much. I’m thinking 800 cho maybe?
Ehhh I dunno. I'd have to really get some stones out and do a side by side. It has that sand blast type finish, bc of the slurry. That makes it difficult to place in such a category. Going by just the 'polish' it is nowhere near a 1k. More like 500-700
@Jef, I am a knife sharpening noob. As such, I understand that a knife must only be sharpened in one direction. Yet, you sharpened the knife in two directions. Please explain. Thank you.
Why would you limit your sharpening speed to just one direction, and make the task go twice as long? Or think of another scenario; every-time you lift the knife off the stone, you have to reset your angle. This can require extra concentration as well as a steady hand. When doing the back n forth motion as the video shows, i keep the same angle both directions. I do not have to reset until i stop and inspect my work. Plus, the added benefit of grinding material in both directions, makes the job quicker. It’s just a technique i developed over time, and it’s not for everyone. Some get better results only going in one direction. Some get better results holding the knife stationary, and using their stones, like files. It all boils down to what YOU feel comfortable with. So try different things. See what feels better for YOUR hands. What gives you more consistent results. Once you figure that out, expand upon it and above all, practice 🙂 hope that helps!
@@Jef, I really appreciate your answer. On a different note, I have a Cold Steel sword (i.e., a katana) that needs to be sharpened. Perhaps you will make a sword sharpening video. P.S., I just subscribed to your channel.
I’ve got a video or two showing a machete get sharpened. My counter was too small and it is awkward as hell. May help. I’ve sharpened two swords and i ended up using my edge pro apex for both of them. It’s just easier.
So which angle is it at? I sharpen my hand forged Japanese kitchen knives at between 12 to 15°. For my folders and smaller knives I use the KME. But I have been freehand sharpening on water stones for year's and I usually get a very consistent angle, but always open for new things.
Different for every knife. The further the spine is from the edge, the more acute the angle. Most are between 18-22 degrees. 22 being faily small and narrow blades. 18 being the larger, wider knives, such as this one
thank you for this. would you recommend this guide? been eyeing this one but wasn't sure it was worth it. apparently based on the size of the bevel it is not ideal, is it?
S'all good bro. I'm always down to try new stones. I just don't like soft, and hazy finishers. If I had more Japanese cutlery, I might think differently :)
@@Jef jupp it isnt the best stone but it works on fairly decent hard steels and is very cheap so a decent budget stone. Its a good Victorinox and the like stone but also does vg10 and similar too
Interesting question. They both have their faults, and strengths. The razor edge is more stable, and stays put, because it screws down tight. The Naniwa is super fast to use, you just slip it on, and go. It has a tendency to move around the spine however. In all honesty, I like the Naniwa more, just because it is so easy to use.
Thx for the reply. Any recomdendations for a beginner for wet stones. I first purchased a lansky system but felt like it didnt get sharp enough so returned it. Now i have a work sharp tool sharpener and its quick and gets a sharp enough but i would like to be more involved in the process. Preferably a 3 set stone
@@Jef www.amazon.com/Kuromaku-Ceramic-Whetstone-Medium-Grit/dp/B004D2GCR6/ref=sr_1_2?gclid=Cj0KCQiAz53vBRCpARIsAPPsz8UiYLZj-RIIdKY5-WoPYjdSB8hHUe6af7mgmzXr6sW9tJAV1glu2ykaAqUdEALw_wcB&hvadid=174248937483&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9033835&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=b&hvrand=4635747468646629706&hvtargid=aud-840076997981%3Akwd-68394625148&hydadcr=24659_9648993&keywords=shapton%2Bpro%2B1000&qid=1575497528&sr=8-2&th=1 are these yet?
Ya jef send that new dlt strop back its garbage!!!! 😉 great vid and every time I wanna get 1 of those things to show fandf how to sharpen just get a simple device
I'm still trying it out. Hoping it will break in and that spongey feel, will tame out. Still waiting on DLT's final reply, to see how they wanna deal with it. Since I have already used it, possible they may tell me to take a hike. Btw, did ya see my useless hand working, like it knew what it was doing? Haha
@@Jef jef just trust me, if u can send it back then let em have it. Stuff is coming your way shortly I cant wait to see of there literally the same exact stones. From what I see there actually alil more expensive. Well once again send that strop back or a few would be good with it. Oh ya hey jef I would like a chunk of that bark river white if u dont mind ;) I had some but in between stops compounds sprays etc. I dont know where u put it.
@@Jef i bought two dlt strops a good while ago got a full refund without sending em back. The reason was they where full of glue and uneven and flaky leather.
@@knifesharpeningnorway do u use any micro bevels? I have a few knives I really wanna preserve and pass em down to my kiddos. So I'm super interested in sharpening that preserves the steel.
Good times!! I love sharpeneng, even the sound its very relaxing. Something that can almost always put a smile on my face is when i put a realy sharp edge on something!!
Right on. I still go to sleep, with sharpening videos running in the back ground.
I use the Wedgek Angle Guides. They work more as an orientation point but that`s exactly what I am used to thanks to the Work Sharp Guided Field Sharpener. They are available as a pack with 10° to 20°, spanning pretty much all my favorite sharpening angles.
I've seen those wedges before. I've heard others put them down, but if they work for ya, don't let anyone tell ya different ;)
Beautiful job!. Thank you.
lol this video is so awful. I wish it wasn’t as popular as it’s become, bc i would delete and redo it. Too long, too much talking, and i just didn’t end, when i should have. Thank you for the kind words. I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment 🙏
Just noticed the water bottle. I did the same thing after a couple crummy Walmart spray bottles. Grabbed a bottle of water, drilled a hole in the cap, and voila. Really simple and effective.
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For the price I will recommend it to a couple of folks. Good job as usual.
Wow. That strop polish looks REALLY good
Looks like the clamp could be useful learning to sharpen with both hands. I've tried it but can't seem to hold a consistent angle with my left hand, maybe something like this would help. Enjoyed the video.
Yea my left hand is beyondd useless. It looks like I actually know what I'm doing with the clamp :P
@@Jef You guys at least tried with left hand. I'm sure i would stab myself if i tried with handheld stones.
Thank you. Well demonstrated.
I got another video floating around using this guide thats a little less frazzled. This video kinda got away from me as i recorded it and went to parts i never planned on 😂
I might get one to play with. But the dlt looked like a better compound for polishing.. Thanks pal. Atb paddy 👍😊☘️
They aren't bad for messing around, or even learning how to switch hands. As for the Bark River compound, after using it more, I can definitely say, I hate the stuff.
nice job switching sides/hands, on the smaller stone maybe keeping the knife angled to the stone 45% rather than 90%
Some questions:
Do sharpening snones grind the angle guide too? If yes, then to what extent?
The sharpening angle does surely change with the change in the width of the blade and / or in the thickness of the blade spine. This may not be critical for cheaper kitchen knives, but may have dramatic consequences for expensive artisan cutlery. It seems that a set of angle guides of different thickess could help, or can this problem be addresed otherwise?
Yes I believe I stated in this video at some point, that dragging it
across the stone, it does indeed abrade the ceramic (or whatever they
are using as that white guard). How much? Very little, but over time,
I am sure it will become noticeable. Given the angle is pretty obtuse
on most knives, this could be a good thing. In effect, dropping the
angle a bit, making it more acute.
You are correct that there is not much that can be done to compensate
for the angle differences. You will either need to reprofile the
knife to the angle the guard sets, or you will create a secondary
cutting bevel, if it is more obtuse than what is existing. I would not
suggest using it on high dollar kitchenware (or pocket knives for that matter). If you are looking for precision, check out the
Hapstone sharpener, or the edge pro.
I'm confused on how this maintains a desired angle. Since it clips to the spine, it seems like the resulting angle will depend on the width (spine to edge) of the knife.
Your correct. Consistent as in no blade wobble from your hand. Splitting hairs imo about terminology but yea the blade width and spine will determine the angle. The distance from heel and tip will also change the angle along the length.
@@Jef thanks :)
Not a fan of the freehand clamp things just learning freehand seems better to me I do like the little angle guide blocks you set on a stone to figure out what angle your sharpening at but that’s it for me
Hey bp I really like the angle guides as well. And your prolly right if people would try that they would be surprised how good of edge they actually get!
I think they all have a place. Imagine someone has severe tremors. This guide would be perfect. That's not to say it is always being used in such a scenario, but it's nice to know there are options.
Jef Jewell yeah gp
Where did you get your sharpening station with the water bath. I want one. I can't find one.
Kitchen supply store locally. Cost like $20. You can get them on Amazon too. Search for Commercial Products Food Storage tote
that should get ya an idea of what to look for
So you like stropp man compound better than barkriver white i think barkriver white is finer and stropp man white gives a more toothy edge
Both edges feel about the same actually, but I prefer the polish the stropman compound gives.
Why don't you move your knife guide while sharpening your knife?? It is easier and you knife edge wont hit the corner of the stone
Cuz I am hard headed, and must do things the most difficult way possible :p
Seriously though, it never occurred to me. This was only the 2nd or 3rd time I had ever used this thing.
Ever use two clamps on one knife? Long ones that is
No i only have the one clamp. I’m pretty decent at free hand so never felt a need to get another. I don’t see how it could hurt though. Esp on a large knife. The bevel would be more uniform I’m sure.
angle of your stropping changed
If I were to do a demonstration of my bar of brk white, what grit would you say the scratch pattern off your suehiro 3k is close to with other stones? My 3k will shine it up too much. I’m thinking 800 cho maybe?
Ehhh I dunno. I'd have to really get some stones out and do a side by side. It has that sand blast type finish, bc of the slurry. That makes it difficult to place in such a category. Going by just the 'polish' it is nowhere near a 1k. More like 500-700
Why not just tape the clamp so you don't have to remove the tape from the knife?
Impossible to do. The clamp jaws are too tight. The tape is not gonna cooperate as you try to thread it in. Good idea though, just not applicable.
@Jef, I am a knife sharpening noob. As such, I understand that a knife must only be sharpened in one direction. Yet, you sharpened the knife in two directions.
Please explain. Thank you.
Why would you limit your sharpening speed to just one direction, and make the task go twice as long? Or think of another scenario; every-time you lift the knife off the stone, you have to reset your angle. This can require extra concentration as well as a steady hand.
When doing the back n forth motion as the video shows, i keep the same angle both directions. I do not have to reset until i stop and inspect my work. Plus, the added benefit of grinding material in both directions, makes the job quicker.
It’s just a technique i developed over time, and it’s not for everyone. Some get better results only going in one direction. Some get better results holding the knife stationary, and using their stones, like files. It all boils down to what YOU feel comfortable with. So try different things. See what feels better for YOUR hands. What gives you more consistent results. Once you figure that out, expand upon it and above all, practice 🙂 hope that helps!
@@Jef, I really appreciate your answer.
On a different note, I have a Cold Steel sword (i.e., a katana) that needs to be sharpened. Perhaps you will make a sword sharpening video.
P.S., I just subscribed to your channel.
I’ve got a video or two showing a machete get sharpened. My counter was too small and it is awkward as hell. May help. I’ve sharpened two swords and i ended up using my edge pro apex for both of them. It’s just easier.
@@Jef, thank you.
So which angle is it at? I sharpen my hand forged Japanese kitchen knives at between 12 to 15°. For my folders and smaller knives I use the KME. But I have been freehand sharpening on water stones for year's and I usually get a very consistent angle, but always open for new things.
Different for every knife. The further the spine is from the edge, the more acute the angle. Most are between 18-22 degrees. 22 being faily small and narrow blades. 18 being the larger, wider knives, such as this one
thank you for this. would you recommend this guide? been eyeing this one but wasn't sure it was worth it. apparently based on the size of the bevel it is not ideal, is it?
I’ve made a few videos using this guide. For someone new to sharpening yes i would recommend it.
how long that thing can be last?
I’m not sure. Quite a long time. Considering the price, even if it didn’t, it would still be worth it
Good video as always mate. Sorry you didnt like my stone recomendation 😉
S'all good bro. I'm always down to try new stones. I just don't like soft, and hazy finishers. If I had more Japanese cutlery, I might think differently :)
@@Jef jupp it isnt the best stone but it works on fairly decent hard steels and is very cheap so a decent budget stone. Its a good Victorinox and the like stone but also does vg10 and similar too
are you putting pressure on the blade against the stone in the push or the pull, or both?
Both
@@Jef thanks for the quick response
no problem :)
pretty neat, how well will it work on folders ?
czcams.com/video/M2YcaDkBXfk/video.html
older video but its used on a ganzo
why don't they just make it a rolling guide?
Indeed
Do you prefer the naniwa or razer edge?
Interesting question. They both have their faults, and strengths. The razor edge is more stable, and stays put, because it screws down tight. The Naniwa is super fast to use, you just slip it on, and go. It has a tendency to move around the spine however. In all honesty, I like the Naniwa more, just because it is so easy to use.
Thx for the reply. Any recomdendations for a beginner for wet stones. I first purchased a lansky system but felt like it didnt get sharp enough so returned it. Now i have a work sharp tool sharpener and its quick and gets a sharp enough but i would like to be more involved in the process. Preferably a 3 set stone
@@Stoicexpression czcams.com/video/fcprUHO4Zgs/video.html
@@Jef www.amazon.com/Kuromaku-Ceramic-Whetstone-Medium-Grit/dp/B004D2GCR6/ref=sr_1_2?gclid=Cj0KCQiAz53vBRCpARIsAPPsz8UiYLZj-RIIdKY5-WoPYjdSB8hHUe6af7mgmzXr6sW9tJAV1glu2ykaAqUdEALw_wcB&hvadid=174248937483&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9033835&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=b&hvrand=4635747468646629706&hvtargid=aud-840076997981%3Akwd-68394625148&hydadcr=24659_9648993&keywords=shapton%2Bpro%2B1000&qid=1575497528&sr=8-2&th=1 are these yet?
@@Stoicexpression YUP! That is the series.
Ya jef send that new dlt strop back its garbage!!!! 😉 great vid and every time I wanna get 1 of those things to show fandf how to sharpen just get a simple device
I'm still trying it out. Hoping it will break in and that spongey feel, will tame out. Still waiting on DLT's final reply, to see how they wanna deal with it. Since I have already used it, possible they may tell me to take a hike.
Btw, did ya see my useless hand working, like it knew what it was doing? Haha
@@Jef jef just trust me, if u can send it back then let em have it. Stuff is coming your way shortly I cant wait to see of there literally the same exact stones. From what I see there actually alil more expensive. Well once again send that strop back or a few would be good with it. Oh ya hey jef I would like a chunk of that bark river white if u dont mind ;) I had some but in between stops compounds sprays etc. I dont know where u put it.
@@Jef i bought two dlt strops a good while ago got a full refund without sending em back. The reason was they where full of glue and uneven and flaky leather.
@@dombond6515 dom my mate any wishes for a video? Im gonna make one on sunday
@@knifesharpeningnorway do u use any micro bevels? I have a few knives I really wanna preserve and pass em down to my kiddos. So I'm super interested in sharpening that preserves the steel.