Wtf, were you playing the same match as me 😂. I was telling people in discord that if these casual audience get the sniper nerf, I am going make my friend stack a bunch of heavy on a platform to get them nerf too.
This is definetly true, i played light the whole time and when I had to play heavy for a contract, it felt like i was standing my whole life and i just sat down
you just made a throw away comment about light having a life steal, and i no joke think thats an amazing idea that needs to get delved in on. I feel like this would increase the survivability of the light in an amazing way, without breaking them with an hp buff. imagine if it was basically a frag grenade, single use per.. idk, a decently long cooldown. something where it could maybe top off a lights health once per battle. im sure theres better more balanced ways to impliment the idea, but i just think its a great mechanic that should be talked about
@@SmokinTonic even if it did decent damage? like, a frags worth of damage and full hp sounds pretty bad ass to me. especially if it triggered on impact or something
@@hatetheclouds190 nvm u right, but it'd have to do little dmg so that frags wont be useless, and full health return on lifesteal. cool addition and i like contact nades but a buff's still needed, instead of more hp they need faster recovery, takes way too long atm. should be 5s
@@arcanum3882 The FCAR still beams. You just have to play around the heavy. Most people don’t play it correct. Now double heavy is a little more annoying haha
Of course, the F car still beams. It has no recoil and it actually has a site. Not going to lie if they put a site on the birthday are it would probably become meta-
I think RPG is a little too polarizing. Right now theres no reason not to run it, and i dont think theres any real way to buff everything else to the point where that isnt a problem, so i think it could use another nerf. Personally i would like a bit of a firing delay so that theres more time for your opponent to react to a group of 2 heavies walking with the rpg out. Potentially adding an additional flash of light/audio cue when you first start firing it. This would bring it more in line with the other slower explosives like mines, c4, and frag grenades. This could even come with a slight decrease to the self damage penalty as compensation for the changes. I think other areas of heavies kit might need more nuaced balance than a direct nerf like the one proposed, but rpg is definitely a little too good.
i think rpg is overrated. would rather leave it out for the ability to hold an area denial throwable (i.e. gas grenade, pyro grenade if enemy uses alot of gas) and an explosive mine while keeping a slot for a defensive item (i.e. goo grenade, barricade, dome shield) rpg more often than not gets used to shoot a single enemy or make a hole. you dont really need to use a long cooldown rocket to a single guy and there are plenty of red barrels around to make holes (or ks23)
I’m a light main, and it’s the only class I’m really interested in playing a lot, so I am super excited to see what they do to buff light, because it definitely needs it lol.
i think it's because the game is all about the objective. heavy is slow. so, in a fight, other classes can take a better place. problem is, if you kill the heavy by having a better place, you won't get rewarded. because most heavy will not rush to you. they will rush to the cashout. they'll set shileds and barricades and try to steal. at this point, you have two options. a) have a distance and calmly break their protections. but you will lose cashout for a moment. b) Risk your life to cancel the steal. if you play the game for a while, you'll find a) is a terrible option. because this game has four teams. there is no guarantee that you can take your cash back after eliminating enemy teams. so b) is almost, always option. but picking b) removes your positional advantage.
light was broken in casuals but even now is still the best class for casuals. Heavy on the other hand is very much mid rather than broken in casuals. This is because teams are disorganised so lights can take advantage of this where's heavies suffer. Therefor balancing the finals becomes very difficult as you can't make each class perfectly balanced. What I would do is make heavy even more easy to play by making recoil patterns easier to control but nerfing the class as a whole. This way casuals will still find the class viable. For light I would buff the class as a whole but make the recoil of weapons like the MP5 more difficult to control. A buff would be needed to the MP5 to compensate for this so it's still good in if your willing to learn the recoil pattern. LH1 should be left alone as it's already difficult to use. Other weapons that aren't good in the light class should be buffed and made easier to use but the meta weapons for the light class must be the most difficult to use in the game. By doing all this you make light viable in ranked but not broken for casual players in casuals. Pro players will be able to exploit these changes in casuals but hopefully they will restrain from playing casuals or Embark could improve skill match making for these modes. By doing all this all classes would be relatively balanced for all game modes. Medium is practically perfect now although they could have a buff to their survivability in casuals.
difficult to keep up with your team, if the team stays with you then your team is moving slowly to objectives. weapons are worse than other classes, as they should be. massive and slow target that (in reference to the first point) can get separated easily making them easy to kill. problems with the heavy are how braindead and obnoxious flame thrower is and mesh shield. mesh shield is the main problem, either of the other specialisations make heavy fine. mediums still have immortality beam and "oh you have to kill the entire team twice to ACTUALLY kill the team" gadget. lights in any casual setting, especially solo q, have many advantages. ranked playerbase is small and the game was envisioned with normal queues as the main focus so really thats what the game needs to be balanced around to keep players playing and spending.
The only thing you aren't right about is the heavy weapons being worse then the other classes weapons. Lewis gun, m60 and even flamethrower after buff are all way better then most classes weapons besides mp5 and lh1. Medium got completely shafted by fcar nerf now akm is the only good gun because fcar is just akm with less ammo
@@jaedongillespie not sure about that. lewis guns recoil is awful past the first burst which gives it no real consistency at range (im not so much talking about the pattern, but rather how stiffly it pulls to the side so trying to control it you have to be moving your mouse at all different speeds throughout different parts of the recoil pattern which isnt realistic in a fight) m60 is not only uncontrollable at range but its damage falls off very quickly which reserves it to close range combat really. thats all just to say that in comparison, the mediums rifles all perform considerably better at range (the fcar is still good, has hardly any recoil and a very easy to use sight. not to mention it still has ridiculous hipfire accuracy which the lmg's dont have). flame thrower though doesnt have the highest dps but it is practically a death sentence if you find yourself in a room with one. doesnt help that it doesnt take any skill to use while also not needing you to ads so can run around while firing it. might not be the best thing in the game but its incredibly unfun to fight against for anyone and really lame to die by some fool with the brain of a chimp jumping around with their crosshair in your general direction winning every 1v1.
I'm so sick of these "nerf that buff this" videos. The game is fine. Better than fine, it's fantastic. Any class can be insanely powerful in trained hands. Just as any class can be crap if you are unskilled. There is nothing in The Finals that can't be countered.
What should be done? Nothing, lmao why can't the community just enjoy this game. For God's sake, you don't need to find another thing to complain about every week.
No nerfs to Heavy? Maybe a little bit, like lower HP - cuz Shields compensate anyway. At least the RPG should do more structural damage and less player damage so its not a free kill anymore. Look what they did to Stun...
Bruh this just shows people are dumb the rpg would’nt even be worth using if it got nerfed again it can’t one shot a light if the rpg did less damage there would literally be no point to using it but you’re a light main complaint about the stun gun nerfs so makes perfect sense you’re mad you can’t get free kills anymore
Yes. The specialisations are also insane on the heavy. The charge is... annoying to say the least Oh and the dagger has a lot of potential, just impossible to use. I've only ever seen 2 people who are actually good and consistent with that thing
Wouldn't it be better to just nerf lmgs and rpg? I mean that's the easiest way to balance this game, that way heavy will lose too strong and consistent source of damage which will make it closer to other classes. It makes no sense for heavy to have simply better ars from medium and cheap 140 damage rpg.
Homie can you just stop Making videos like this heavy is so much easier to hit and kill since he has a huge hit box a good light can beat a heavy if they play smart just like a good heavy can win if they play smart you just make dumb clickbait videos about the balance that just try to lead the game in the wrong direction you should think before you post you’re only getting 100 views anyways with the clickbait maybe try making better content
@@diegoleguizamo4702 bruh if you don’t like it don’t play it the devs balanced it that way for a reason so you can go play something else if it’s too hard
@@bucket936 right? People want to be trendy I understand being mad at the game but videos like this over and over just hurt the game more cuz it’s give people who are looking to get into it a bad perception it’s like this dude wants to boost views at the cost of the game he’s making content on
Flamethrower no skill you really make me wanna throw up when you use that gun. he is already the easiest and brokenness class in the game? Why do you have to use the easiest weapon?☠️💀☠️☠️💀☠️
Diamond 2 here. “Keep distance” is a good advice but not really possible in all case. The best thing to do agaisnt a flamethrower is to actually just out dps him because flamethrower have the worst dps in the game. So next time when you were caught off guard by the heavy, forget running. You just can’t once they already could melee you, the best thing you can do is to not panic. Stand still and aim for the head. I’m not saying you will get out alive most of the time, but letting your teammate secure a trade is still the better than you just dying without doing a single once of damage. That said, when fighting flame thrower, try to spread out your team if you’re in a small room. That way heavy can’t burn all 3 of you at once.
0 range???? You think high tier player use their M60 and Lewis as a sword?? Yes m11 can melt heavy, but once a light get that close to more than 1 enemy (which is often the case in higher rank where everyone stick together), the light will be dead before he even took half the hp of the heavy who properly use their mesh shield. And like other comment said, if you get stun as a heavy, just use your mesh shield. Stun is a joke at this point
Y'all have skill issues, stop complaining and just play the game. If you can't beat them join them or figure out how you can. I'm so tired of all the whining baby's.
“If you can’t beat them, join them.” Even if I won’t have fun playing heavy?? I assured you, once you’re at a high enough level, you will realized how tough it is to fight two heavy one medium team that know what they’re doing. And I’m a diamond 2 so trust me when I said the least embark could do is to nerf the rpg.
I’m a light main, and it’s the only class I’m really interested in playing a lot, so I am super excited to see what they do to buff light, because it definitely needs it lol.
I played a match of power shift and saw 4 heavys on the other team....
Lemme guess, you had a team full of lights didn’t you 😭
@@LTSlatee-hh6ik yes i was the only medium 😭😭
I knew it😭😭😭
Wtf, were you playing the same match as me 😂. I was telling people in discord that if these casual audience get the sniper nerf, I am going make my friend stack a bunch of heavy on a platform to get them nerf too.
This is definetly true, i played light the whole time and when I had to play heavy for a contract, it felt like i was standing my whole life and i just sat down
Prediction: They will nerf Heavy because it is less work to do so and the live service game industry is in a nerfing trend.
Mfw nerfing everything creates more problems that need nerfs. Fucking ouroboros, man...
He said he wouldn’t be against not that he wants them to nerf it if anything he wants them to buff everything else to be equal to heavy
you just made a throw away comment about light having a life steal, and i no joke think thats an amazing idea that needs to get delved in on. I feel like this would increase the survivability of the light in an amazing way, without breaking them with an hp buff. imagine if it was basically a frag grenade, single use per.. idk, a decently long cooldown. something where it could maybe top off a lights health once per battle. im sure theres better more balanced ways to impliment the idea, but i just think its a great mechanic that should be talked about
waste of a gadget, hp buff makes the most sense
@@SmokinTonic even if it did decent damage? like, a frags worth of damage and full hp sounds pretty bad ass to me. especially if it triggered on impact or something
@@hatetheclouds190 nvm u right, but it'd have to do little dmg so that frags wont be useless, and full health return on lifesteal. cool addition and i like contact nades but a buff's still needed, instead of more hp they need faster recovery, takes way too long atm. should be 5s
Keep complaining about everything. The game's no longer going to be playable
This just means the other classes need buffs
Farming views. Nonsense take anyway.
@@ruinition737 if u actually think that you aren't the brightest 💀
@@Zurdo1x hahaha sure thing kiddo. whatever you say. 👍
@ruinition737 "sure thing kiddo"💀🤦 most people agree with his takes here you are the one no one agrees with🤣
“taking away a large chunk of enemy hp with a gadget is something no other class can do”
the two frag grenades i have as a medium say otherwise😐
All of the mediums guns need a buff. because the Luis gun and the M 60 have a faster TTK than all of medium weapons isn’t that a huge problem💀☠️💀😢
Yes, yes it is
I mean the shotgun for the medium is nasty. You just gotta hit the shots.
@@gregm1855 that’s the only gun powered somewhat correctly
@@arcanum3882 The FCAR still beams. You just have to play around the heavy. Most people don’t play it correct. Now double heavy is a little more annoying haha
Of course, the F car still beams. It has no recoil and it actually has a site.
Not going to lie if they put a site on the birthday are it would probably become meta-
I think RPG is a little too polarizing. Right now theres no reason not to run it, and i dont think theres any real way to buff everything else to the point where that isnt a problem, so i think it could use another nerf.
Personally i would like a bit of a firing delay so that theres more time for your opponent to react to a group of 2 heavies walking with the rpg out. Potentially adding an additional flash of light/audio cue when you first start firing it.
This would bring it more in line with the other slower explosives like mines, c4, and frag grenades.
This could even come with a slight decrease to the self damage penalty as compensation for the changes.
I think other areas of heavies kit might need more nuaced balance than a direct nerf like the one proposed, but rpg is definitely a little too good.
i think rpg is overrated. would rather leave it out for the ability to hold an area denial throwable (i.e. gas grenade, pyro grenade if enemy uses alot of gas) and an explosive mine while keeping a slot for a defensive item (i.e. goo grenade, barricade, dome shield)
rpg more often than not gets used to shoot a single enemy or make a hole. you dont really need to use a long cooldown rocket to a single guy and there are plenty of red barrels around to make holes (or ks23)
I’m a light main, and it’s the only class I’m really interested in playing a lot, so I am super excited to see what they do to buff light, because it definitely needs it lol.
facts!
keep complaining about EVERYTHING then dont complain when the game is unplayable
i think it's because the game is all about the objective. heavy is slow. so, in a fight, other classes can take a better place. problem is, if you kill the heavy by having a better place, you won't get rewarded. because most heavy will not rush to you. they will rush to the cashout. they'll set shileds and barricades and try to steal. at this point, you have two options.
a) have a distance and calmly break their protections. but you will lose cashout for a moment.
b) Risk your life to cancel the steal.
if you play the game for a while, you'll find a) is a terrible option. because this game has four teams. there is no guarantee that you can take your cash back after eliminating enemy teams. so b) is almost, always option. but picking b) removes your positional advantage.
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light was broken in casuals but even now is still the best class for casuals. Heavy on the other hand is very much mid rather than broken in casuals. This is because teams are disorganised so lights can take advantage of this where's heavies suffer. Therefor balancing the finals becomes very difficult as you can't make each class perfectly balanced. What I would do is make heavy even more easy to play by making recoil patterns easier to control but nerfing the class as a whole. This way casuals will still find the class viable. For light I would buff the class as a whole but make the recoil of weapons like the MP5 more difficult to control. A buff would be needed to the MP5 to compensate for this so it's still good in if your willing to learn the recoil pattern. LH1 should be left alone as it's already difficult to use. Other weapons that aren't good in the light class should be buffed and made easier to use but the meta weapons for the light class must be the most difficult to use in the game. By doing all this you make light viable in ranked but not broken for casual players in casuals. Pro players will be able to exploit these changes in casuals but hopefully they will restrain from playing casuals or Embark could improve skill match making for these modes. By doing all this all classes would be relatively balanced for all game modes. Medium is practically perfect now although they could have a buff to their survivability in casuals.
difficult to keep up with your team, if the team stays with you then your team is moving slowly to objectives.
weapons are worse than other classes, as they should be.
massive and slow target that (in reference to the first point) can get separated easily making them easy to kill.
problems with the heavy are how braindead and obnoxious flame thrower is and mesh shield. mesh shield is the main problem, either of the other specialisations make heavy fine.
mediums still have immortality beam and "oh you have to kill the entire team twice to ACTUALLY kill the team" gadget.
lights in any casual setting, especially solo q, have many advantages.
ranked playerbase is small and the game was envisioned with normal queues as the main focus so really thats what the game needs to be balanced around to keep players playing and spending.
The only thing you aren't right about is the heavy weapons being worse then the other classes weapons. Lewis gun, m60 and even flamethrower after buff are all way better then most classes weapons besides mp5 and lh1. Medium got completely shafted by fcar nerf now akm is the only good gun because fcar is just akm with less ammo
@@jaedongillespie not sure about that. lewis guns recoil is awful past the first burst which gives it no real consistency at range (im not so much talking about the pattern, but rather how stiffly it pulls to the side so trying to control it you have to be moving your mouse at all different speeds throughout different parts of the recoil pattern which isnt realistic in a fight)
m60 is not only uncontrollable at range but its damage falls off very quickly which reserves it to close range combat really.
thats all just to say that in comparison, the mediums rifles all perform considerably better at range (the fcar is still good, has hardly any recoil and a very easy to use sight. not to mention it still has ridiculous hipfire accuracy which the lmg's dont have).
flame thrower though doesnt have the highest dps but it is practically a death sentence if you find yourself in a room with one. doesnt help that it doesnt take any skill to use while also not needing you to ads so can run around while firing it. might not be the best thing in the game but its incredibly unfun to fight against for anyone and really lame to die by some fool with the brain of a chimp jumping around with their crosshair in your general direction winning every 1v1.
Ahh, yes, the heavies the problem here
I'm so sick of these "nerf that buff this" videos. The game is fine. Better than fine, it's fantastic. Any class can be insanely powerful in trained hands. Just as any class can be crap if you are unskilled. There is nothing in The Finals that can't be countered.
What should be done? Nothing, lmao why can't the community just enjoy this game. For God's sake, you don't need to find another thing to complain about every week.
Everyone has the same characters and weapons. Some people just know how to play and some dont lol
facts
No nerfs to Heavy? Maybe a little bit, like lower HP - cuz Shields compensate anyway.
At least the RPG should do more structural damage and less player damage so its not a free kill anymore. Look what they did to Stun...
Bruh this just shows people are dumb the rpg would’nt even be worth using if it got nerfed again it can’t one shot a light if the rpg did less damage there would literally be no point to using it but you’re a light main complaint about the stun gun nerfs so makes perfect sense you’re mad you can’t get free kills anymore
We don’t need more nerfs
Yes. The specialisations are also insane on the heavy. The charge is... annoying to say the least
Oh and the dagger has a lot of potential, just impossible to use. I've only ever seen 2 people who are actually good and consistent with that thing
If heavy get to keep being a raid boss lights taser SHOULD %1000 shut down specials and a gadgets
This video is 100% made by a light main, the most OP class in the game
You're tweaking
Wouldn't it be better to just nerf lmgs and rpg? I mean that's the easiest way to balance this game, that way heavy will lose too strong and consistent source of damage which will make it closer to other classes. It makes no sense for heavy to have simply better ars from medium and cheap 140 damage rpg.
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Homie can you just stop
Making videos like this heavy is so much easier to hit and kill since he has a huge hit box a good light can beat a heavy if they play smart just like a good heavy can win if they play smart you just make dumb clickbait videos about the balance that just try to lead the game in the wrong direction you should think before you post you’re only getting 100 views anyways with the clickbait maybe try making better content
how old are you
let me guess you have 50 hours in the game
@@diegoleguizamo4702 bruh if you don’t like it don’t play it the devs balanced it that way for a reason so you can go play something else if it’s too hard
People deny it because it's the "cool" thing to do, but you are correct. Classes are balanced. People just like to create content.
@@bucket936 right? People want to be trendy I understand being mad at the game but videos like this over and over just hurt the game more cuz it’s give people who are looking to get into it a bad perception it’s like this dude wants to boost views at the cost of the game he’s making content on
Flamethrower no skill you really make me wanna throw up when you use that gun. he is already the easiest and brokenness class in the game? Why do you have to use the easiest weapon?☠️💀☠️☠️💀☠️
And also easy to counter. Just stay away from the heavy.
@@com1k exactly lol. You can easily run from the heavy and outrange him lol
Diamond 2 here. “Keep distance” is a good advice but not really possible in all case. The best thing to do agaisnt a flamethrower is to actually just out dps him because flamethrower have the worst dps in the game. So next time when you were caught off guard by the heavy, forget running. You just can’t once they already could melee you, the best thing you can do is to not panic. Stand still and aim for the head. I’m not saying you will get out alive most of the time, but letting your teammate secure a trade is still the better than you just dying without doing a single once of damage. That said, when fighting flame thrower, try to spread out your team if you’re in a small room. That way heavy can’t burn all 3 of you at once.
@@taawesome2949 yes you’re not going to win every encounter. Doesn’t mean heavy is OP
@@com1kyou literally proved the point heavy gets insane value from just sitting on an objective with a flamethrower because you simply can’t push him
It’s not. Try playing heavy. They have 0 range, can’t run away and get killed by lights in less than a second when stungunned +m11
your own fault for dying to that shitty stungun, heavy is the easiest class to use for every player
Shoot use your shield or charge I haven't died once since the stun nerf you can easily outgun the light with your health or just shield
0 range???? You think high tier player use their M60 and Lewis as a sword?? Yes m11 can melt heavy, but once a light get that close to more than 1 enemy (which is often the case in higher rank where everyone stick together), the light will be dead before he even took half the hp of the heavy who properly use their mesh shield. And like other comment said, if you get stun as a heavy, just use your mesh shield. Stun is a joke at this point
Y'all have skill issues, stop complaining and just play the game. If you can't beat them join them or figure out how you can. I'm so tired of all the whining baby's.
Out of all the languages, you choose to speak nonsense 🔥
I mean any gun is viable in gold rank and below… ttk is only important for the lobbies where everyone hits their shots
“If you can’t beat them, join them.” Even if I won’t have fun playing heavy?? I assured you, once you’re at a high enough level, you will realized how tough it is to fight two heavy one medium team that know what they’re doing. And I’m a diamond 2 so trust me when I said the least embark could do is to nerf the rpg.
All I hear is whining 😂 everyone has the same abilities in the game, you're either better than them or you're not
@@mariochadinha2388 enough with the terrible takes. Suggesting balancing isn't a skill issue. Balancing benefits everyone.
I’m a light main, and it’s the only class I’m really interested in playing a lot, so I am super excited to see what they do to buff light, because it definitely needs it lol.