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I love your comment in the end about the semi active players. I've spoken to a lot of people that say the game doesn't really have a reason to grind it, that it doesn't give them motivation to do so. They mostly say that the game is fun, and they play it casually, but making it more competitive will encourage players to get better and have more fun in doing so. Just imagine the high elo lobbies and the (future) esport scene where players will analyse strategies, adjust to problems, come up with new solutions, we would see so much more creativity in defending/attacking places just because people are going to try to top each other. Honestly can't wait for the pro analysis of different maps, locations, cashouts, etc.
Great vid btw, the only one out of the "the finals is dead" that isn't actually made to milk views, shows genuine solutions to problems and doesn't yap for 10 minutes to get ad revenue.
Much love, 20 minutes well spent
Thanks man! My longest video on The Finals and I cut out as much as I could! I really tried to cover a lot of topics others arent while being productive and cutting any bs or filler. Just wanna see this game thrive. Means a lot!!
im not sure i entirely agree...i've finished the battlepass, caught up on the career, did the personal progression, etc. i have nothing left to grind atm.
but i still play th game cuz i need the practice and cuz its fun, i dont like playing ranked cuz im not really 'sweaty' like that and i dont like doing 'the meta' (i've gotten into sledge/charge lately)
while not everyone will just keep playing the game cuz its fun, and having something to gain from playing besides JUST entertainment is nice, i dont think it's fair to say "we need this game to be SUPER focused on ELO grinding and competitive to keep players" as if it's the only real motivation....there's plenty of motivation outside of that comp group.
Huge agree. One of the only "state of the game" that didn't feel incredibly reactionary
Speaking as a casual player, it’s not that the game doesn’t have the ability to be grinded, it’s just that I have a life and don’t have a lot of time to play video games so I just try to enjoy it instead of stressing about meaningless in game things
( sorry for bad english) I played in the games beta and they were so nice to give me 10000 in game currency. but the tricked me and removed all my money and cosmetictiks when the game released. this made me very mad and ruined a big part of the game for me. also in the beta the lights doubel barrel-shotgun was acctuly good and could to hit heavys but then they nerfed it and it made the light unusable and runied the light for me.
The gameplay is also so sloppy and its such a snoose fest, the enemis game tank soooo many shots before they die. like how can you have fun playing this game and mediuems loves theire glaze gun and the trigangelet in a corner and heals eathceother. also the light sniper sucks, when you headshot the heavy the do not die but have a quater of their health left and thats sooo annoying and trash, like if you get a big jucie bullet through your head then your gonna die not survieve with a quater of your health left.
all the other weapons the heavy has is abslout gargabe. this makes the heavy not very versitle with its only good weapon being the sledge hammer. the heavy cant do shit when the enemy is 3 meters anaway from you. the rocket laucher is ass and has a long cold down which makes it useless. and the infamous goo gang gun is a useless peice of trash, you can not kill with it and it barely protect yourself with it.
mediums are by far the most op class and the most boring one. everytime i see a medium on the battlefield i hurts my eyes and soul because i know they a gonna glaze and glaze and glaze their teammate to eternity and onwards. all medium are goonner who realese their life load on thiere team which makes it impossible to kill them. the mediums also have the most op and verstile loadout.
the finals have also very many pc and consle performance issuses. very often my game wont run and it lags out and crashes, it also happend with one of my friends. this game is a poor exuess of a game and should not be played by anyone ever. the second someone mentions the finals my whole body quakes in pain. please never metion the finals near me. the finals is a disgrace to the human race and should have never been made. but the beta was alright, mabye if they bring the beta back i will take back my alligationsions towards this game.
pls give me back my 10000 beta ingame curency.
The Gravitydrop vs Ottr drama over cross hairs has got to be one of the strangest slap fights I've ever seen in the finals content space lol
Ottrs a lil bish, used to like him but all his takes only revolve around him being better not everyone benefiting
IVE HELD BACK I AM THE SUPERIOR SLAPPER
You could say they are getting their hairs crossed.. 😂
real
It's like those competitive slapping tournaments
Game is great, there are just so many obvious changes that are necessary like you mentioned. The fact that there is no text chat is mind boggling.
cause who tf plays a ranked game with no mic
@@jaidyn.m lol remove a core part of gaming because you expect every single person to have a mic or care enough to use it.
@@chaseclingman i mean if you’re playing ranked…you’re talking to your teammates to collectively make decisions and more so yea i’d say using a mic in ranked is common sense
@@jaidyn.mOverwatch has a text chat….Left 4 Dead has a text chat. I can list hundreds of game with this feature. And the funny part? They also have voice chat.
I don’t see how your argument really fares when millions of games that are competitive have text and voice chat
Confirmed for S3
Honestly The Finals is just a baby of a live service. I'm more interested about this conversation at it's first year anniversary. It may not feel like this game is new, but it's been out for less than six months, and live service is a marathon. It's all about what embark brings season to season, and how the community evolves.
On the other side, I see a lot of people that I match with spending money on battlepass minimum. I think it's a good thing. Embark has a solid product, and they're a small studio further divided into two teams (they have arc raiders in their pipeline as well). With the funds, and knowing they'll use them wisely, I'm sure they can continue to cook and deliver at the pace they started with. (major content drops every 3 months, events monthly, balances biweekly-ish, etc)
Great point!!! Thank you!
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Activision Blizzard fucking sucks. Support this game rather than shitwatch
As someone that loves this game, I have to say that overwatch just has many more options for playstyle, and the fact that the meta in the Finals changes every 2 weeks makes it more incosistent
@@THE-STREET-HERO what are you on? The finals have a lot of different playstyles. Sure OW technically has more, but 70% of them are out of the meta and unusable. OW meta has always been super unbalanced. The finals' meta is quite consistent with only a few meta guns being adjusted for balance.
@@THE-STREET-HERO that's fair if that's what you believe. But in my opinion, overwatch is just counterpicking simulator (not fun). Wanna play as your favorite hero? TOO BAD, they're shit in the current meta.
@@THE-STREET-HERO not an overwatch fan, last thing I heard about it was the increase hitbox thing or something like that. Did they revert that or does every one just have a massive hitbox now?
@@YoureMadBozo71 the projectile hitboxes were increased but not the character ones. they've adjusted some of that since iirc
I love the open minded and nuanced approach you took for this "state of the game" kinda vid.
I started my script before all these recent vids came out, but Im glad I covered issues none of the other guys are covering! Thank you!!
i want to say (as of my own experience) the finals is a game where you TRUELY need to be engaged and really trying to get your skill up so you have a good time, besides tf2, i now think its really boring and not a lot of action. and the finals is the opposite and it pretty easy to engage in
Agreed, I prepare myself for ranked each time like I'm playing a 1000000$ tournament 😂
yep, it takes all your focus because of how info dense it is.
game ps5 bye :(
game sony bye :(
game pc bye :(
I just wanna buy items seperate from bundles, so many times i see a single item that i would 100% buy for a decent price over having to buy the full bundle its tied to for $20
Yea I agree but that’s how they make their money
yeah would be nice but as TBo said below, the devs have to rely on this kind of tactic to generate revenue. At least the game is free and the bundles are cheaper than COD, Overwatch, Fortnite and others. It's not perfect but I understand they gotta make money. In my eyes they're worth every penny. Im also grateful they have multiple bundles per season that give out free coins. The bunny outfit bundle gives free coins, the starter pack gives free coins, and the battlepass gives out coins. Dont forget the devs also added EARNABLE coins in the career circuit! It's rare for a dev team to allow you to do this! Makes me really happy they have options for everyone including those who dont have as much money to spend.
@@GravityDrop The thing is IMO they would probably make a good bit more money by letting people buy items seperate from bundles at a slight markup, people are willing to spend 5 here, 10 there on bits that they like way more often than having to spend a lot at once on a bundle including items they may not want, im personally one of them where i would buy several items straight away if i could, but the fact id need to spend upwards of $40 ~ 50 to make the outfit i want is silly, where i could just buy the whole outfit i want for say, $10 ~ 20 (Pricing should depend on item/rarity etc) Im not saying all bundles should be gone, just give us the ability to also buy items seperate and then have the bundle be a discount for the multiple items.
True, but whats also super nice is whenever the store refreshes anything that got taken out is still available to buy thru the style tabs
It happend❤❤❤
I think some people are afraid to be bad at a game at first I have to show this game to multiple of my friends who all said it was really unique and fun but then after getting rolled a couple games, they hop off and go back to the game and playing for four years
Improving the meta/balance and matchmaker would make this experience a lot better for new players! This is why they're both so critical. No one likes queuing up as a new player and go against people who have played for months! Hopefully your friends give the game another chance! Once you learn the basics this game is SO fun even for beginners! Thanks for stopping by!
Even I just recently started playing it and after a few matches and finding the right strategies for the game, it’s actually fun and even the causal matches starts to feel competitive but not sweaty or raging, I had a few close games just because of either bad plays or close call matches. It’s fun and deserves a lot of respect. At least better then the current cod or other games that’s out there
16:21 lmao the ottr pfp really makes this a whole bunch funnier 😂
Absolutely. Came to the comments just to say this
Ottr is crazy 💀
I guess since I’m coming from the tactical shooter side of steam where average player base could be 2k-3k on a Saturday. So it feels like this game is full of players but of course a lot of people won’t have that perspective. I’m not competitive so idc about ranked levels and that grind. I just want fun and balanced time. Surely this game isn’t going anywhere b/c they’ve made money from the battle pass and store. They’ll get the state of the game exactly how the devs want it. I believe it
Idk numbers are def low for a free game, get worried if it gets to 5k
You're insanely naive
@@-The-Golden-God-lol
what game were you playing before if I may
@@iDrKx insurgency and ready or not
Waiting for the circuit challenges to unlock is terrible. I was playing consistently until I hit 7/7 on tier 1 and got bored waiting for tier 2 to show up.
I believe they will expand from the input of this season.
Same tbh, made it actually feel like I had no reason to keep playing.
So here I am playing falloutNV until Wednesday xD
I'll never understand why anyone would quit playing an amazing fps simply because they've unlocked everything. I play video games to have fun and every time I turn on the finals it's a blast🎉
@@-KIMISAFOX because I solo q ranked. so when my team is composed of myself and 2 lights it’s nice to know there’s still something I’m playing towards even if my team mates are throwing
@@L84ANL never played NV but love Fallout 4 🔥
About the dominant weapons in the meta, sure it gets old to see the same weapons be used, but I want to be careful about conveying the message to Embark, cause I actually think the way those weapons "feel" are pretty good, and instead they should study how to make other weapons feel stronger to keep up
Good point!
This is the best video of the finals I’ve ever seen. Never seen someone with the guts to admit that FPS cheating is currently a problem with little solutions, I think people need to talk about this more so people stop expecting embark to drop a leet anti cheat that noscopes wall hackers out of the air
People also forget that this January and February was huge for games in general. Helldivers, Palworld, Last Epoch, Apex updates, etc. an absurd amount of popular games came out very quickly right as the launch bump started to fall off.
That's not to say its the only reason, or even the biggest one, but it definitely helped suck away any space the game had. I'll be playing this game as long as Embark supports it though, I adore this game, and hope to cast some matches when they improve custom lobbies
yes would love if the gameshow events just changed teh environment more. Both alien/retro invasion and meteor shower should vastly alter a section of the map. Doesn't have to wipe players out but makes the most of the destruction.
honestly, the finals is my favorite fps game in a long time, but when the concurrent viewer rate on twitch is 241, it’s hard to argue the game isn’t dead. still has a core player base, and hopefully its blows up again, but as it stands it’s hard not to be disappointed.
Extremely disappointing. It's a rare case where the game is super popular but there are no content creators. It's for a reason tho. Embark has left us in the dark since season 2 began. We have gotten so little to grind for and make content for. Hopefully Season 3's ranked changes introduces more incentives to grind. Im also hoping tournaments have a big impact on the community! Im optimistic, the Finals has a bright future! They just missed on Season 2. Thanks for the input!
there is a third option for light its sword if you are good with sword yOU CAN SHRED
Truee
Or the entire team can relise your running melee and team focus you every time you pop up so that cant happen you must be in bronze lobbies that all ima say i rearely die to melee users at all because i have a brain and can play range when need be... Cmon
@qurax1660 okay Mr badass
@@qurax1660 ahh but you do not know the secret tech for closing gaps
@@qurax1660im diamond 4 and light sword one of my favorite loadouts lmao but i agree with the video saying that its “soft throwing” 🤣
12:40 AK Enjoyers stand up! 🤘🏽gang gang
Loved the video, glad this got a lot more views and attention then most other finals videos out currently. This is a perfect angle on it and I’m excited for the future of the game
Really appreciate this! Im so happy this video ended up being the BIGGEST state of The Finals video put out there even topping Ottr's! I always outwork my competitors and put more time into each video than any other creator for The Finals! Always feels really good when I get love for it! Thank you!! Have a fantastic day and enjoy an ospuze!!
@@GravityDrop I can tell! You are one of the only CZcamsr takes I can completely get behind. Obviously some just look at the negatives and some are blinded by a great game and think there isn’t anything wrong. You covered mostly everything spanning over both sides and proved how the game has a lasting future. The AMA that happened yesterday I believe backs so much of what you said and it really seems like they are going head first into making this game truly amazing. They even said how they are planning for years to come.
@@Joepoeee reading some of their AMA comments got me so EXCITED dude. I love how I literally called so much of it lol. These devs have me JACKED for Seasons 3 and beyond! Im telling you man this game gets spectator mode + ranked and it's going to the moon🚀
Pro Casual here [can win casual games but will lose anything ranked] I wish they really went in on their style. Its supposed to be like a Game show in a virutal world, but it didnt really feel like that until they added the new maps like Horizon, they try to do events, but to keep them balanced you never really notice it. I'll read "ALIEN INVASION" and be like oh okay and notice nothing happen at all, like you said, but it should also be more than that, they should give winners mario party wheels with like exp or the weapon coins or SOMETHING, its A GAME SHOW.
Competitively, it feels like theyre bold when somethings too strong, but not when somethings too weak. The reason im not a comp is because im a Heavy Sledge User and ill regularly hit 8k damage with 2500 or more support, with obj based on if im the one supporting or being supporting, and theres always things that im like "they can do this without breaking the game EASY." Like, Im a shield/demoltionist, and the bubble shield are ALREADY FANTASTIC, but if Light Users can literally teleport and grapple away, I, a heavy, should be able to instant snap a bubble shield to skip the throw animation, but still have to wait for the shield animation, if anything at the cost of Health. Heavy grenade launcher should have less explosive time or more damage. I get why theyre slow, because theyre getting their footing, but if theyre going to be bold with removing items, they should be bold and expirement with items, maybe make some items or changes unranked exclusive, give people new toy syndrome.
Theres an insane amount of hackers in plat+ lobbies its mad, i once encoutered 3 hackers in 5 different games while plat 1 pushing diamond 4
You know, the thing that pushed me away like most new games, is the networking and servers. People with worse internet are getting forgotten and skipped by devs, and they focus on people who have more than stable and fast internet. For some there are no choices in terms of internet, like myself. My ISP still haven't upgraded our internet that is 20 y/o and is extremely slow and unstable cuz of cable thiefs. I would come back if i wasn't seeing constant teleports
I will say this is definitely something that is hard to measure, but often overlooked by developers. When I was in high school I had bad wifi for years and even in college. So I totally understand feeling left in the dark if you have DECENT internet but still get constant stutters, rubberbands or DCs. Like I said this is really hard to measure and I dont know too much about Embark or THE FINALS' servers. Right now a lot of the West is transitioning to faster/fiber internet. Even in the small towns across the board. A lot of developers kinda assume the majority of players already have access to fast + reliable internet. It's an awkward point but in the next 5 years virtually everyone will have access to fast and reliable internet. I personally have been waiting years for fiber to hit my area. I have a great download speed and decent ping/jitter but awful upload speed which can suck when livestreaming. Thanks for sharing this input please keep us informed if anything changes or if this improves for you! I recommend trying at least once a month or once every patch to see if it improves!
@@GravityDrop wow, didn't expect an answer but thx for it, much appreciated. And while yes we are transitioning, the ISP's like to cut costs to say "they done the job on paper" while doing an awful lot. For clarity, i study ICT and i have been digging a big on my ISP. I am from central EU, we mostly have a french ISP "Orange" that is the most popular, yet underwhelming ISP to exist in terms of internet. My cables are copper cables that are 20 years old, recently mold was found near a central. Another thing i think is sometimes contributing are DDoSers. They appear sometimes and do stuff, but imo that is cuz lot of russians play on servers. Also, the servers in EU imo are also flooded with cracked out gamers and small streamers, while little casuals are rare for me. Anyway I got sidetracked, when i meant Orange messed up, I REALLY mean it. Imagine pulling a fiber cable almost to our street, only to stop at the bridge and say "yeah good enough". Idk how to sue them, but they have tricks up their sleeve. I often harrass them about the time we will get it because they said that we are constantly moved down the list because we are not "profitable"
I think nerfing light into the ground made a big impact. Now there are only two weights worth playing
Lights 100% need buffed Season 3 and Mediums need nerfed. Im sick and tired of heal beam and defib lol
and remember helldivers hit the scene that bish is a titan
And Palworld (even bigger titan)
bile titan?
@@applejuiceman palworld fell off
thank you for organizing and scripting your videos. love your content
this game moves like titanfall and plays like bfbc2. the game balance can be either nerf the guns OR increase their weaknesses rather than decrease their damage, dice didn't balance that way tho
Played this hame the amount of bullets it takes to kill and enemy takes an hour or so and still the opponent doesn't die.
Uninstalled next day.
Usually TTK can seem unhealthy if your opponent has a heal beam pocketing them. I recommend bringing a glitch grenade on your team and giving it another try! Most weapons kill relatively fast! Thanks for the input!
@slayerace5637 Thats a good thing. We got enough low ttk shooters.
myth: if you put something on an object like a mine or c4 and hold the object up to a gateway the c4 will teleport to the other gateway but be phantom-linked to the object
when finals released all of my friends switched to it from apex because apex was kinda in a low spot then. finals was more of a much needed break from apex. i enjoyed the game ngl but it was nothing more than a break for us.
I only use akm personally. Probably because I wanna flex my diamond akm skin
Or cause your aim is bad Kappa
@@e2476 nah blud
Death Cam view after being killed would be perfect to avoid false accusations in cheating, which could've dropped the reports number and allow the support team to work with "real" reports on cheaters
Im sure this will come and was intentionally left out for this reason. They dont want to give the impression the game is filled with cheaters, even if it may be. Granted Im not totally sure how demanding a killcam could potentially be. Very well may still be finalizing it to avoid performance issues. Things like FPS and PING trackers were also probably left out for the same reason. If players could see their FPS they might be more frustrated than they would be just focusing on the fun gameplay.
@@GravityDrop you can use your own meter anyway. Not for the ping of course. It shouldn't be so demanding to add the kill cam. Epic made the whole match record available on the same engine)) I am not a game developer, so I don't know how hard it is to implement it though
@@grizberrypi All will be implemented in time. Excited to see this game fully fledged out. Custom matches are going to be SO fun with spectator, game rules and more!
I think there is huge technical difficulties to bring that in, has something to do with the server side destruction and all that, might be wrong, but maybe we will see it at some point. Also this is Unreal 5 instead of 4, which isn't helping.
@@brajuhani Fortnite is on unreal 5 and they have records for the whole match with building and destruction)) so I don't think that it's impossible
i didn't even leave the game because of the rank issues, nor the toxicity of the community. i just left because i think it's boring.
5:00 that’s true,I don’t even know how the arrow system works,I just keep seeing the arrow up and down,it just makes no sense.
Great video. First time I’ve had some of these issues clarified. Subbed. 😎
Except the point of weapons pick you was talking of was s1 meta but definitively not s2 meta (especially on the heavy weapons you talked about) . You are pretty right on most of the points, but nobody's gonna come back on the game until they rethink the game a more competitive way. Most of top500 players like me just decided to leave it these last weeks, in my case i decided to leave it because of the eac removal, favorising cheaters in hight rank games and the world league being cancelled because of a DDOS , i mean, it definitivelly became a cheaters paradise.
Great video. I just really want to tell you that your attitude toward the game and game developer really xhange my thoughts on the game, especially the cheater part, sometimes i feel like we just kept hating on stuff that we dislike and forgot the whole page, thx for your enlightenment
Biggest reasons for me that this gsme is not going forward are: league progress is literally unknown, you cant message anyone in game to ask him does he want to play etc, you cant spectate games of friends, servers are horrendous getting disconnected became a normal thing, small number of maps, bundles are way too expensive and you cant buy single skin or item
Everything you listed has been added to the game in Season 2 except for spectator and text chat which have been confirmed to arrive w Season 3. You can buy single items in bundles and servers have improved dramatically! I recommend giving the game a another chance in Season 3. It's going to be vastly better than what we had Season 1! Thanks for the input!
You seem like a smart lad GD so i got a question - why dont they have semi-random cashout spawns? There are so many rooms/buildings in these beautiful maps why do we always fight in the same areas?
People were actively punished for using crosshairs in the beta. People had to wait weeks to be unbanned, or were banned for the entirety of the beta.
This is why the subject is so controversial. But in terms of the official game, no punishments. I did not play in any of the playtests so perhaps thats why I didnt understand all the noise at first. Just another reason Embark NEEDS to reclarify their position. Not sure if the TOS has changed but they simply arent punishing anymore. They obviously are aware of this and think it's better to not address it all. Maybe they think addressing it will encourage people to push limits and use actually game altering software? No clue. Wish they'd just be honest about it.
With a good balance of weapons, I think it would be interesting to fix the classes per team (1 heavy, 1 light, and 1 medium). This would make the teams more balanced, and each character would have a different and complementary role. This would eliminate those moments when you try to kill someone and have two Mediums healing them. Some games already do this by limiting the class, like LOL or even Overwatch 2.
Btw without death match you get 100 for a kill and death match is 250 for a kill
It's 200 without. It's supposed to be 400 with but it's 200 still.
Honestly the biggest issue for me is that solo queue is insufferable, cause everyone doesn't cooperate as a team. Otherwise everything I've done on the game has been fun as hell
They nerfed everything except the light class. That's why I left the game. I don't enjoy being insta-stunned and one clipped because I the game won't let me aim. Spawn, get stunned by invisible player, one clipped, again.
Some great points that I don't recall hearing other people talk about much or at all. Really well thought out. Fingers crossed that Embark also see the wisdom in some of your suggestions or wishes.
Really appreciate that!🙏Thank you!
my biggest issue is the fact that it feels like a arena shooter without the smooth movement it feels clunky.
I really disagree with gamers needing 'new metas' because personally i feel guns should be tools you need to pick depending on the situation, and not just bring whatever. But, i can get behind buffing other weapons to make them more viable in more situations.
the throwing knife clip was the dirtiest thing ive ever seen
haha thank you!
To add, spectator mode can help content creators create more captivating content. A replay system would be great for the share-ability of the game as well!
Thanks for the video GravityDrop, great take. Amazing things in store for those ready to Reach The Finals!
Bro stop talking like the burger king foot lettuce guy, your voice is fine
Foot letuce guy is his real voice to some voices sound like that.
Love the reactions in the end clutches lmao
so there's no risk of being suspended or banned by using a 3rd party crosshair?
100% disagree with ranked. If you party with a diamond then you all should be in diamond. I also disagree with weapon meta shifts as much as you want. Maybe once a year or with new weapon releases. It'd be better if all the other guns were brought up making a bigger meta.
Also having avg Mmr is a good idea but it will make queues a lot slower for people higher ranked. That’s how that works
The reason I left the game is that every game wants to have time limited progression and FOMO you can only play so many games! I don't have time for Finals the way it wants me to commit!
I've watched like 15 "What's Wrong With The Finals!?!?" videos and this is the only one that was worth it. Super thoughtful, actual information, level headed opinions. Great content!
THANK YOU! Really appreciate the words!! My goal in this was to make a "true" state of The Finals with actual suggestions. Sick of people milking views and just rambling about non sense. Have a fantastic day man! Drink an OSPUZE!
Honestly I completely agree with all of your points, and I might add I love the way that you go about presenting your points. Just like the game, it’s refreshing seeing someone with such a neutral
and honest view on topics that other creators seemingly don’t have, I.E saying the game is dead just based on steam charts etc.
If movement didn't feel like wading through lard and the animations could calm the fuck down I'd love it
I have a strange idea but what if they had a ranked mode with a multibuck buy-in feature could have the option of 100-1000 multibucks but winning team takes all. Would be something different but idk if this would break kid gambling laws 😂
Would be a ton of fun but most likely would violate some laws/regulations.
[4:02] Only a third of the way through the video and I can agree with almost everything being said, but this will absolutely be abused and exploited. Queueing based on the highest rank is really the safest way to go about things.
If it's going to stay as is, then queuing with bronzes as a plat, I should not be queuing into Top 500 players. If I play people my rank or slightly above thats fine. But if the best player on your team is WAY worse than the worst player on an enemy team, then the matchmaker has simply failed. By all means put people in challenging brackets and asses them respectively. But when the enemies are multiple ranks ahead it's just too big of a gap, especially when it comes to grand finals 3v3 situations. Like If my team is P3, S3, B1. Im totally fine playing against a team of P1, P1, P2 or whatever. But queuing with silvers then going against Top500, D2, D3 is lowkey wild. I do think this system was intended to be temporary and safe until they perfect it. Thanks!!
The only thing that sucks is team that prioritize kill over objective it’s really sucks especially rank
You really missed the mark with this video. Casual players are the base of this game. Focusing on ranked mode and nerfs are not what casual players want. They want to fast paced games with loads of content. They want to feel powerful when they play. Nerfing the few good weapons while never buffing the crappy ones ruins the experience you want to feel when playing. Season 2 only bringing 3 new weapons is a major let down especially when they all turned out to suck. The gadgets suck as well because no one ever uses them.
Embark did make a few mistakes Season 2 with balancing. The new weapons all sucked at release. This a major mistake I do not think they'll repeat. The new gadgets and specialization were great though with the exception of the Data Reshaper. Gateway and Anti-Gravity cube literally shifted how the game is played for the better. Last point I will make, although casuals make up the majority of a playerbase, you need ranked to be great to grow the game. If ranked mode isnt good, streamers and content creators do not have a reason to grind. As of now this is costing The Finals the most of it's players. The game is struggling A LOT on Twitch and CZcams. Ranked and lack of competitive is the #1 reason for this. If you want the devs to support the game and for casuals to also have a great experience, competitive must be priority #1. Apex, Fortnite, Overwatch, Valorant and others clearly understood this and it's why they stand the test of time. Thanks for the input
In the past, it's never really fruitful to focus on tournaments, especially when factoring in costs of the event itself. Casuals make up probably 80% of every community and likely spend more as well, so I would say focusing primarily on that and flushing out their world to make it more intriguing would make way more sense.
casuals definitely make up the majority of the playerbase. But there's a reason this game has 0 streamers and 0 big content creators. It's because there's nothing to grind for. And tournaments are extremely efficient when the community gets involved. Im telling you this game is super fun to play and watch. It doesnt need some massive budget to prop it up. The community and organizations will host their own tournaments once they're available and it WILL generate MASSIVE hype for the game. Thanks for the input!
For me, I hate it when they removed mouse and keyboard support from console. I know a lot ppl would say get a pc. Man I'm a broke ass gamer. But seriously I left this game because of this and THE FINALS is truly a GREAT GAME.
i have been playing another game for the last week and half and was pleasantly surprised to hear about bomb defusal mode. i believe ranked needs a new ruleset at this point.
Definitely disagree about the rank MMR system.
MMR is for non-ranked game modes. If you want to goof around with bronze friends, do it there.
People put way too much emphasis on ranked.
If you look at the achievemnets alone, only 22% of people have the finish a tournament achievement...
I don't, and I have been playing since the last open beta.
i agree with everything except the average mmr in ranked. this was a huge problem in siege because diamonds queued with silvers and just 1v5 the whole lobby
Lmao remember when we used to put a piece of tape / or with marker on your tv to mark the cross air 😂 now they do it for you and it’s cheating ? 😂
SEND THIS TO EMBARK 🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥
I actually wasn’t aware that ranked games went off the highest member of the party. I’m currently a plat 2 and play with my girlfriend who is a lowly silver and a good friend of mine who has been stuck within gold. That being said, when I play with them, we get absolute 💩’d on. However if I queue up solo, even without coms, we can make it to the finals almost every game. That definitely needs changing in my opinion as I’d love to be able to play ranked w my squad and actually have a fair + enjoyable experience. But despite this, I still love the hell outa the game!
I tried coming back recently but the matchmaking wasn’t working so I’m not bothering
Thank you for breaking down the game. I was looking for a new FPS title to grind. You've assisted in my decision!
I find the game to be super fun I think my main issue as I have a lower end pc is that there is virtually no optimizations that work to bring the game to a stable and high fps, whereas other games in the competitive shooting genre run fine as I optimize them to run at around my monitors refresh rate. I have watched so many "FPS Guide" videos and none of them worked which kinda led to me losing interest. I had a blast during the open beta when the game ran super smoothly for me for some reason.
The beta ran better for a lot of users for some reason. The game definitely needs better optimization and performance. Totally with you there!
something people tend to forget about is the finals is much better on console and is more massive than pc similar to siege neither look too impressive on steam numbers but on console numbers there huge
To me the finals is a game i enjoy playing but the game is doing well to me but i don't see myself playing the game much after i finish the pass
I really want a competitive mode that isn’t a tournament. I want to play a competitive mode but I don’t want to play an entire tournament that I don’t know how long it is going to take because if you lose right away it’s not very long but if you make it to the end it’s a pretty long game mode.
The new 24 player tournaments are shorter. Only 30 minutes if you play the entire thing. Would you be interested in competitive Terminal Attack? Interested in hearing the community's thoughts on that one!
@@GravityDrop I would definitely like that. Terminal Attack is a lot of fun and a little more straightfoward than cashout which I enjoy.
This guy lost all credibility when he said he wouldn’t mind a Grenade launcher Meta lol 😂
As someone who played a few games and quit, what you say here won't appeal to the casual player base. I think it's just one of those kinds of games that has a dedicated player base that like the skill sealing. Too many games are after it's lunch as well now. Xdefiant boasting millions of players day 1 and it's a lot more casual friendly
This game has a MASSIVE casual playerbase. 100s of thousands daily. But if you want more casuals is ANY game, you need big streamers and content creators playing it. To do that, you need a high skill ceiling and rewards for those grind hundreds of hours in the game. Thanks for the input!
ps. The Finals had OVER 10 million players within 2 weeks. Launches mean nothing in the long run.
@@GravityDrop I think the steam numbers wouldn't have gone down by 90 percent. That's literally your casual player base coming and then going. They've moved on and banking on streamers bringing back people who already have first impressions is next level copium.
TBH I only see myself grinding comp if its a single game ranked, not a tourny. Also a mmr bar like ow2 or valorant would be sick
They reduced the rounds per tourny to 3. Now the duration is prolly less than ur average valorant or cs match
Love you gravitydrop, thanks for adding me on the game a few days ago after I played you in a comp game 😂 we should play sometime
There isn't ranked matches in SA so they have to keep working on ranked mode
Yoooo Gravity! Love the channel, great suggestions and I hope the devs are watching. Shoutout to you dumpstering me and my buddy at 6:18. 💩 I'm going to send this to him and tell him we're famous now.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO thank you!!! Lowkey I went harder than I needed to😅
appreciate the kind words! Tell your friends I say hi and GGs!
They changed both ranked and the fcar last week which is pretty good, in my region not many people play ranked and you rarely can find matches. I like the idea of the orbital lasers activating faster, would be pretty powerful in powershift againt the other team that is on the platform.
I played the beta almost every day it was out and just never went on to the full release
Best video on this subject yet! We're here for the long haul! The 🐢 eventually beats the 🐇.
YOU LIKE THEM STEALS??! THEY WERE SO HYPE OMGGGGG
I personally stopped playing The Finals because they took away the free Halloween outfits I got in the beta. I knew they were taking away the cosmetics that cost money purchased for free in the beta but expected to be able to keep the free stuff, especially when it was limited
You people and your skins... Just play a dress up game.
It isn’t overwatch, it isn’t apex, it isn’t cs go, it’s an arcade shooter. Rank changes won’t change anything with this game’s player base, that isn’t this game’s target audience wether intended or not. Since it is an arcade shooter it is competing with cod and battle field. That’s an uphill battle that they’ll never win. Enjoy the live servers while you can it won’t last.
Here’s hoping I’m wrong.
I would like to see a 5 v 5 CSGO/CS2 type game mode where one team guards and the other attacks to put the cash in the cashout. But instead of "defusing" the cashout you just steal it.
Also this would be on a smaller map.
As for competitive I think they need rewards for winning a tournament or gain a special currency the farther you get in the tournament, to purchase exclusive skins/gear.
Hope this game stays around and thrives.
These are some AWESOME ideas!!!
seeing peoples ranks would mean that people would know who to focus down as priority potentially getting you knocked out earlier.
Fine by me lol. Actively targeting someone without benefitting your team will just cost YOU more games, not them. This happens all the time with streamers in other games. They get targeted 24/7 so enemy teams dont play objective and lose. Secondly, if you are a VERY high rank, I expect you to be capable of defending your rank and taking advantage of such a strategy. If a couple people targeting you makes your entire team and strategy fail, then maybe you arent quite good enough for said rank. I want Top 500 to be the best of the best. By all means come target me😈
They really fucked up on not putting effort on eSports/private tournaments. I think it's a must on any competitive FPS games. Now it is too late since orgs will have no interest in investing on a game that significantly lost its hype.
You have a great point that I was trying to convey in the video. Embark does not have time on their side. But they didnt mess it up yet. They have a window to get private matches/tournaments going. The game is still relevant and clearly is generating excitement and revenue(as I showed towards the end of the video). So many orgs will be lining up ready to support tournaments once the game is ready for them, as long as it doesnt take too long. I trust Embark. They're cooking
I find it a bit funny that high ranked players have this myopic (and borderline selfish) view that adding more prestige to ranked is somehow going to increase the game's reach, when the majority of players are in low ranks and very likely most people play quick play anyway because of the variety offered in both game modes and meta. Ranked tournaments are much bigger commitment than single round quick cash, blank it, or even power shift. Either quick play needs balances like skill-based matchmaking, switching sides, and auto balancing, or more game modes need to be included in ranked.
New idea: once a week or month embark randomly chooses an active player to suggest somthing that they acualy consider deeply
we’ve always known that embark is pretty secretive with their “master plan” for their games, but since the game has launched i’ve always wondered one thing: why don’t they just call the game early access like it clearly is?
like let’s all on the same page here, the game was basically shadow dropped, not marketed at all afterwards and then they didn’t drop any real updates on the game for like a month or two after launch. it really feels to me like they dropped an early access game to get further testing so they can turn it into the “top fps competitor” they want it to be. that’s why streamers aren’t getting paid to play it, that’s why they aren’t pushing ranked or competitive modes, that’s why the game only launched with 1 new map and some melee weapons lmao, etc. WE ARE THE PLAYTESTERS FOR THE FUTURE OF THE FINALS. if they were truly worried about player numbers they’d start marketing and crunching
I disagree with 2 points. Players matching with the highest rank on the team is a good thing. And the events are really stupid and should be removed in ranked.
Can you elaborate on why it is a good thing?
I hard disagree on removing events from ranked. I won a semi final round on Skyway moving platforms because of low gravity!! Last alive as heavy and my random team didn't have much faith. I jumped into the stratosphere and slammed the poor guy on the moving platform with god like accuracy!!! Stole the cashout last second and won the semi finals! Ive never felt more accomplished lol. Pure dopamine
Yeah, you shouldn't be able to get two bots into your lobby just so you can beat up on other players. If you're queuing with someone better than you, then you could just be looking to get carried. Which will absolutely happen.
@@TantoAshina it takes away from the integrity of ranked mode. If you are different skill levels then you shouldn’t play ranked together. If skill levels are the same but ranks are different then it doesn’t matter. But if they take the average rank then you can boost people and ruin the fun for lower skill players. The players should be closest in skill level.
@@alicatdotcomEvents doesnt bother me that much except for low grav. Basically makes almost every jump pad a death sentence to step on and heavily penalize movement players like lights when jumping makes them easy targets
graph config? plz how u get those fps :33
If recons is out u gotta take out invisible
Hopefully Nexon helps this game out. If season 3 doesn't bring massive changes and additions, I may just stop playing the game. Can't even que into ranked matches on console.
Season 3 is definitely vital to the game's success long term. If it doesnt launch with some of the features I mentioned, it wont bring anyone back unfortunately. But if they can add spectator, and an actual leaderboard with rewards, I think we'll see a MASSIVE increase in players and streamers! Fingers crossed man!🤞
The only way you can say that embark is doing a good job with cheating is to compare them to someone doing worse at it right now. The cheating is absolutely a reason to stop playing and it's out of control in this game. I'm not sure how you haven't heard of people running into blatant cheaters every tournament for an entire night, because that has certainly happened. Especially since it's so common to get repeat opponents.
Cheating is the single biggest issue in this game and it's kinda insane that you would downplay it.
Skill Issue.
There's 2 issues with this claim. In the current game, there are no killcams and no replays. You have no way to validate how many cheaters you're actually running into. Also, aim assist can give off the impression of cheating and they often get conflated. I've done it myself Im not innocent. Im sorry to hear you've had a worse experience with cheating than me, but as stated in the video, crying about it doesnt help. Cheating is an AWFUL issue in every game it exists. One cheater is too many. But Embark knows this and has full time employees working tirelessly to improve anti-cheat. There's not really anything I can contribute. Thanks for the input!
@@GravityDrop the hackers can be really easy to spot in this game. They'll shoot you the moment you get line of sight to them even if you're far away and they have no way to know you're there. And then there are the ones who can shoot through shields. There's often no subtlety to it whatsoever.
@@SaltyBroncanuss if your lobbies never have hackers, then you're the one with the skill issue, lmao. They're mainly ruining high-level ranked.
@@TheBestcommentor keep crying