Forza Motorsport 7 is Better than Forza Motorsport (2023) | Yeah I Said It...
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- čas přidán 9. 02. 2024
- After struggling to get the new Forza Motorsport to run smoothly on PC for months, I decided to go back and test Forza Motorsport 7. Guess what! Forza Motorsport 7 is better! Give it another go if you haven't played it in a while! Please like and subscribe! Thank you!
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I'm very dissapointed in the new FM. I still cannot believe they've released game with less content than FM6 (not even 7) and with less visual fidelity than FM5 (go try it and then tell me i'm wrong). Also, this all-encompassing yellow tint which is present due to some questional lighting choices + TAA anti-aliasing makes game look much, much less clear to the eye, and these actually BAD rain effects without the puddles on a roads (which were present in FM6), and no activities beside the races themselves... Just, what they've been thinking?
It's quite sad. Especially considering the 6 year wait.
I haven’t played FM yet but FM7 looks way better and i think it has a better experience especially the online and campaign.the campaign no need to talk about its balanced,enjoyable and gives u a really good reward in a way that u can change cars and tune really freely.the online was just pure fun(to me) especially the drift sessions that i would go for hours just drifting with random players or drag racing or trying ur tune to see how ur car peforms in a race trac with no issue in money wise. i had 500+ hours and about 500 cars the game was almost perfect (cant wait to go back to the game)
Off topic, i see you use moza, how do I set up my R12 so it has more feel at center
It took 6 years to get slightly better? Dan what is even happening with racing games these days.
tbh I thought you were talking about Dan Greenawalt for a second
Content Wise Yes
Physics Wise No
3:01 cars look worse in the new game.
Love you content, but I am going to disagree with you big time with the new physica/FFb only being slightly better on the new Forza. It's a massive difference. It's not just the FFB settings, but when you get the tuning right, the GT cars are amazing to drive. I played FM7, where I started my sim and racing game career, again before FM8 came out and man the driving on FM7 is just so bad. I thought Grid 2019 and PC3 had good FFB simply because i was comparign them to FM7. That being said, I absolutely agree with the rest. Even the new "ranking" system is entirely broken.
But graphics make me want to scream. I run a low FoV and max graphic settings with capped framerate and motion blur off, but everything looks out of focus if it isn't directly infront of me. I struggle to see braking markers because everything looks so muddy. It's ridiculous. Not to mention the lighting. OMG the lighting. I did a comparison of AMS2 VIR North vs Forza at night heavy overcast. Even with all the added lights on Forza, you can barely see the track, because nothing gets lit up. On AMS 2 with no lighting past the start/finish, the headlights alone were clear enough to make seeing super easy. What the hell is wrong with this game!?!? Seriously. I don't even care about super graphics or ray tracing. Please, for the love of god fix the out of focus and baked in motion blur. Let me see sharp iages with clear contrast. And fix the lighting for the love of god. Boot up Forza Horison 5 and it's night and day. FH5 looks absolutely stunning, runs smooth, and crystal sharp. It never really gets dark there, but the lighting is very illuminating with lights and the distance clearly visible at night.
Thanks for posting this. My main issue with FM7 is ... that I never managed to get the wheel to work properly. The FFB seems just wrong. May I ask for your detailed settings with the Moza wheel?
Sure thing. I've currently got my rig slid a way from my pc for a podcast I'm doing with the simpit this weekend. Once I get it back set up I'll plug everything in and and reply here with my Pithouse settings and the in game settings. I'm pretty happy with them for the most part. There is still something a little funny with curbs that I'm trying to work out. They seem to apply ffb in the wrong direction (compared to other games/sims) when you bump a tall curb. Typically when I hit a curb the ffb pushes me away from a curb. In FM7 it seems to pull me into it through the ffb if that makes sense. But it's only the real tall curbs.
Thank you, appreciated. Looking forward to your settings. Btw, I read in another forum that the moza software has a setting called reverse ffb, may be that could help.
Never played any of the forza games as didn't have an Xbox, got one yesterday and got this for £10 in Cex shop, will be playing this over the weekend
If you even get the change you should play forza motorsport 4, on the 360, not a sim but it's excellent
@@StigumsI just wanna do the drag races like the ahmad galal guy
I played a lot of single player games on PS4 and got tired of it, especially the cutscenes. I mostly play on my Series X now and I upgraded from Xbox One S. Can't wait for State of Decay 3 and GTA 6 as I like open world games.
Nice video!
I see you use MOZA wheel on Forza title.
Do you mind if I can ask if you suffer stuttering or FPS drop while playing it?
I am suffering costant FPS drop while playing FM7, FH4 and FH5, by checking online it seems to be a problem related due bad Microsoft support on MOZA products.
Any clue how to solve the problem?
You know I haven't really put the two together but I do get awful frame drops in the new Forza Motorsport. Forza 7 & horizon 5 play perfectly smooth for me so I assumed it was just an issue with the game itself. But now I'll have to swap out to another wheel and see if the issue goes away on the new Forza. I honestly wasn't aware that was a thing. I'll dig into it and let you know what i find out. Thanks for letting me know!
Thank you for the info. I hope maybe you can find the answer on my question!
I know my PC is a little outdated of course, and I will probably update my build this year, but I didn't mind too much since there were no issues on other games like AMS2, ACC, rF2 etc.
The funny thing is that if I play the Forza titles with the gamepad they run smoothly, but if I touch the wheel, and the FFB becomes active, the FPS drops.
I know there is a compatibility mode for Forza titles on the MOZA Pit House but it doesn't solve the problem.
Have you tried turning off Windows Gamemode as this is one of big causes of frame stuttering in FM and in New Motorsport. I have 4090 and FM7 was giving me 50fps and stutters on some tracks now 200 after turning off Gamemode. Also as mentioned elsewhere shiny liveries and reflections have a massive hit. Also ensure the GPU is always running under 100% as the frames start backing up in the pipelines. Just some suggestions.
@@SmithyMC yup and sadly it didn't work.
Strangely if I use the controller no stuttering and no FPS drop happens.
But when I touch the wheel, and the FFB activates, the issue suddenly appears, then I touch the controller again and the issue disappears.
No issue with my old Thrustmaster and Logitech wheels happened.
Tested with FM7, FH4 and FH5.
So I assume that Forza doesn't digest MOZA drivers very well.
One way to make everything work is to upgrade the PC's build of course, but I was curious if someone can find a more concrete solution.
OH Thats Sad as I was Looking at the entry level moza wheels for my next upgrade. I use Controller at the moment as I sold my Logitech g92 at christmas Thrustmaster may be a solution for me as cant afford much more myself. It is Sad that such a big title has so many problems in many areas. Best of luck finding a solution!
@@orangesimdriver
I'm now getting pretty good clarity and performance on AMD 5600X, MSI 3080SC, 32GB RAM with Motorsport 2023 but there's no doubt a 2017 game here doesn't look far off if not better in terms of sky and trackside objects.
FFB and handling is genuinely pretty decent in the latest game but they have more tyre contact points so that's to be expected. The AI is no better in 7 I see though 😂
Tbh FM7 had only one problem that made me quit it after a month or two of playing.
Crashes to desktop that I couldn't deal with whatever i've tried.
I'm still praising this game though because it was what made me buy my first wheel, and i'm super thankful for that to this day. Simracing is amazing!
time of day and night plus weather system is amazing but they need fix many things and add more content to make FM8 great
Well, FM 23 runs very good @1080p, really no issues...
But I agree on it being a serious downgrade from 7. If only online services hadn´t been down for 2 years now...
I avoided the new game because of all the issues people reported. I figured I would wait until the game is fixed and if there is still a community left playing it at that time I would pick it up. I need to get back into Forza 7 though, haven't played it in quite some time now.
I’m just waiting for them to sell it for like 10 bucks like they did with 7 at the end of the lifecycle.
If Dan likes fm7 better than fm23, then i like fm7 better too😊 looking forward to the podcast. Peace✌️
Not to mention the chromatic effect the cars have on the new game
FM was built from ground up while FM 7 had years of updates and reused assets from previous versions. I don't mind playing it still as I found the new FM boring for now.
Fm was not built from the ground up and that thing was debunked alot of times already(leaked game files where the skybox from fm 7 was in the new fm game which means reusing assets. Almost all tracks are same from previous games). Fm still reuses some cars from 2005 just like Fm 7 reused them. The thing is that new FM is nowhere near the quality of content that FM 7 had.
I agree with your opinion, many wrong decisions in the newest game and it just feels badly directed, like lots of mistakes have been made and still pushed in production rather than taking the time to address the issue.
I attempted three races on FM today and all three crashed
I've been playing Forza Motorsport 4 a lot lately.
I agree. I put too many hours into 7 - have put many hours into 8, multiplayer gameplay in 7 was better. There's something really broken in the physics in 8 which is occasionally apparent- for example racing last night in the Ferrari 430 spotlight car, car tuned perfectly - do practice/ qually and hit every apex perfectly, loads of grip - go to the race and three cars are racing closely side by side, not touching but really close and all the while there is no grip as if all the track rubber has just disappeared or as if the weather conditions have just changed, even though its a constant dry track. Eventually I pull a gap and immediately the grip comes back, then its easy to pull away from the others still sliding around. How many times have you been racing online and seen the leader pull away an unbelievable gap, its not just skills - its broken. 7 was better.
It's funny you say that. My mate and I have constantly said the same or similar thing. Couldn't quite put our finger on it. It's like the track goes from a fast to a green track after qualifying. It is a very inconsistent game really. Car handling is all over the place. The Formula Mazdas have been the most fun for me so far and now they are gone.
@@untrainedprofessionals2374 Yeah, the esports groups issued a statement of why they couldn't use Forza and observed the same thing of inconsistent track grip level. Others at first put it down to some sort of aero wash effect or incorrect drafting modelling. I suspect its worse than that as have noticed it on slower cars with no or little wing, a car with precise handling like the F430 shows this behaviour well- you can hit a precise braking point during practice/ qually but then in the race it all goes to pot and the same braking point sees one running wide etc...as if the track suddenly went green, with moss on it. Am convinced its a proximity to other cars effect as definitely noticed it returning to normal when running clear, and it might explain a lot of the erratic multiplayer driving. Maybe, just maybe its caused by the tyres overheating while jostling for position, but didn't notice the indicator running yellow, and if so its probably too sensitive.
@@nellyx1x493 I think you are definitely on to something with following cars and braking.
It would be the best possible explanation I have heard of so far.
I haven't experienced anything like it in any other game. Well not that I can think of.
Why is this a hot take lol? I could have told you that
FHs has better FFB than FMs
As someone with experience in software development, it doesn't add up at all, in one hand you have turn 10 owned by Microsoft, and they should've have more than enough manpower for sure, also isn't this the same team as horizon? Those game run phenomenal on PC they look awesome as well, maybe all that "build from the ground up" was just pure PR bullshit to build hype, this seems either like a rushed product, maybe they scrapped some other version and started over, or the project was miss managed, by either not having focus or a defined identity, or maybe changing hands and directions several times, in due time for sure we'll know what really happened during development
That seems to be the general consensus. It feels like the whole game was separated in to different categories and out sourced with next to no communication between areas. Either way something happened and COVID 19 happening isn't it.
The marketing would be so close to false advertising or misleading/descriptive practices its not funny.
Horizon is made by Playground Games. Turn 10 does Motorsport.
That’s weird I have Motorsport 2023 maxed out settings wise but I run it at 1366x768 and I see 80fps on my 5800x3d and 6950xt gpu. I don’t find 7 better than 2023.
lol why are you playing at 1366x768 😂😂😂😂 not even worth playing
@@SIMRIG412 that the resolution of my screen, and it’s still totally worth playing, I have the ingame upscaling set to I believe 200% It looks great and runs at 80+ FPS.
@@JoeyBagZ you paid 2000 $$$ to play at 720p? this is at bottleneck.
Forza 6 is better than 7, 4 better than 3, 3 better than 2 etc the only exception was 5 which was awful, not quite as bad as forza 8 though its by far the worse becwuse there's literally no excuse for a game "built from the ground up" to be this bad, even the handling and physics are odd, bouncy and racing competitively is impossible because the cars stick together like glue and you always end up in gravel traps. Meanwhile gt7 in sport mode is near perfection.
I still need to try GT7. I played Sport a few years ago but I need to grab another PS5 and try it out!
@@DanDiMaggioit's fantastic more often than not, sure the daily races won't always suit everyone but the competitive racing once you reach B or above ranking can be superb. I'm A rated with S safety rating and it's quite rare to get taken out by idiots etc
God forbid Gran Turismo 7 comes out on PC this year with no major issues. With VR support or even triple monitor support. That would be the end for Forza Motorsport 8 on PC.
Forza Motorsport 8 was made just to be a game. Not a great game. It's what you get when a game developer has no fear of " will it sell well". Gamepass made them super lazy.
Gt7 will never release on PC just like the others
Gran Turismo not only cannot compete with Forza, but it is a complete joke compared to the other serious racers on PC. It is the only game in town for Sony fanboys. It's just another game to the rest of us because not having any competition on Sony hardware has made them super lazy.
@@CuriousGamer022 It's already being developed and will release in Q1 of 2025. Sorry, Sony Fanboi.
@@Great-Documentaries I'm not a Sony fan I actually hate playstation,I'm just saying pc will never release gt7 and it's not confirmed plus they've never released gt7 to pc so why would they pc players don't deserve any new releases
Forza Motorsport add boring cars I rather I go back to Forza Motorsport 7
0:30: "Prequel" is the wrong word. "Predecessor" works. But FM7 is not a prequel to FM.
FM7 is better. It's still my go to sim racer. It looks amazing and has great controls. The racing is fast and exciting. The cars sound fast and visceral which is important for me in a racing game.
Forza Motorsport lacks tracks!!
Not a chance with a wheel the ffb is AWFUL the difference between the 2 is HUGE fm7 is near unplayable without a controller and that's just not fun.... I miss the variety of vehicles and tracks but the gameplay is definitely worse
you cant drIve whit a wheel most deffently
I drive exclusively with a wheel and would NEVER use a controller for a non-arcade racer like FM7. You don't have a clue.
@Great-Documentaries well that's your opinion i have both fm7 ffb is AWFUL fm8 ffb is GOOD but what's funny is calling forza a non arcade racer....its far more arcade than sim
@@timothygould106 its a lil harder then(big) 8 thats a real arcade game.. if you setting up your car you even come close to assetto whit wheel . en it takes skils to get the hang of it .. tjust like a real car 😘
@woodgreen8982 I'm only talking about how it feels WITHOUT adjusting things for HOURS if u are looking for a "real" sim yes play AC or ACC but I'm only talking about default ffb 7 is TERRIBLE 8 is sooooo much better imho
Forza Motorsports plays smoothly for me on my midrange pc. I get between 60fps - 78fps in the game with no stuttering or lag. All settings at high but motion blur disabled.
AOC U34G3XM 34" 3440 x 1440 144Hz
AMD R5 5600X Curve optimizer set to all cores , negative - 22 and the CPU hits 4.8ghz
AMD RX5700X
DDR4 3733 CL17 ram {flock set to 1866)
MSI B550 tomohawk
Forza 7 is hardly playable on a FFB wheel, even if you bodge it with third party software.
Additionally, you haven't been able to buy it in ages so it's not relevant either.
FM8 not running smoothly may be down to a few things, but it can and does run smoothly if you set it up correctly.
Random frame drops sounds like forced rebar/SAM. The game doesn't like it. Turn it off.
Or you're running out of VRAM.
I personally run an 80fps cap and can hit it comfortably 99% of the time.
Don't tell Turn10 and their 60 fps multiplayer cap. I ain't playing at 60. Especially with FFB being broken in first person.
LOL! Are you some teenage troll? Of COURSE it is relevant. Of COURSE it is more than playable on a FFB wheel. Servers are still up and literally millions still own it. FM8 is shitty and not improving. There's no comparison. I was smart enough to buy FM7 in its last week when it went down to $9.95. I was also smart enough to skip FM8 after watching reviews. Too bad you weren't.
@@Great-DocumentariesWhat’s your experience with the FFB if you were to compare it to FH5?
@@BlvckPapa force feedback in FM 7 is just fine
@@ErickPred How the “center hold” i realized playing FH4 the wheel almost doesn’t get “stiff” at center no matter how much you change the setting. Assuming FM7 has way better overall FFB you’d say?
@@BlvckPapa honestly never paid attention but I don't like using wheel on horizon series, I do play other game like ACC and project cars 2 and in fact they are in another league when it comes to wheel immersion compared to forza motorsport 7, so it's not the greatesst experience specially if you are a Sim-head, but as a game it works well and it's playable, just don't expect same immersion as Sim games.
Both are trash for supposedly sim titles
They aren't sim titles though, fm and gt are in between fh and assetto corsa
Thank goodness they aren’t sim titles then.
If you’re buying Forza or Gran Turismo with the idea of them being full blown simulators, you’re delusional or hilariously misinformed. These games are simcade, they’ve always struck the balance between arcade and sim, hence why they’re fun to play on controllers.
You're trash!!!
Controller friendly game
Forza motorsport 2023 have better physics 👌
That's up for debate. It's awful on a controller and a wheel.
@@FormulaProg on a contoller?) c'mon its Forza! 😀 Btw, a have Series X and FM7, FM8 and g920. On wheel FM8 plays very nice!