Shell Spirax synthetic transmission fluid demo
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- čas přidán 22. 01. 2014
- Shell used a specially designed transparent gearbox to demonstrate that, within the same timeframe, for both cold starts and fully warmed up conditions. Shell Spirax S6 synthetic oil lubricates all the critical parts of the gearbox while the mineral based oil lubricates the gearbox much less evenly.
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I've had a garage for 30 years, I remember rep's from oil and addative companies used to come around with see through perspex gearboxes you could turn by hand and demonstrate how much better their product clinged to the gears whilst turning etc, they became very reluctant to empty these demo box's and let me fill them with oil from my workshop...
Notice how at the start of the video they said they blended oil to have the viscosity of their new synthetic oil and compared it to mineral oil. Basically they're not demonstrating their new oil at all just a mixture of better ones
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo.
@@railgap Wrong.
@@fred5191 It was a demonstration of how the fluid's viscosity would behave at cold temperatures without having to chill the whole apparatus. The oils weight is it's viscosity at operating temperature, in other words the two different oils should have the same viscosity at operating temperature. The gearbox or engine manufacture determines what weight to put in it by calculations with a fluid at that expected viscosity. One of the benefits of synthetic fluid is that the viscosity is much more stable over a wider range of temperature, which means the cold synthetic is much closer to operating viscosity than the cold conventional or conventional thickens up more with the same drop in temperature. What they are claiming is that they measured their synthetic fluid viscosity at cold temps and measured conventional viscosity at cold temps. Then they mixed the demo fluids to match those measured viscosities.
This music is pretty intense for what’s. Going on 😅
That period is pretty intense punctuation for the middle. Of a sentence.
😂
It is very great
Marketing strategy, mate. Marketing strategy. 😂👍🏼
Yes! Anybody know the title of the music? I would like to listen it in my car :D
A good synthetic oil is worthwhile, especially if the gearbox type is known for problems. I had various Rovers with the R65 gearbox for hillclimbs and sprints and went through probably 4 or 5 gearboxes. Never had a single problem after I changed to synthetic oil
Learn to drive guy
@@ThisIsGoogle learn to drive? The R65 gearbox was notorious for self destructing. Especially if the engine it was attached to was tuned... So yeah nothing to do with learning to drive "guy"
@@TheBlaert Whatever you say bud. Keep racking up those miles to work, one day you will be a racedriver.
@@ThisIsGoogle what are you trolling about. I am a racedriver. If you could read you would see the words hillclimb and sprint in my initial post. Dickhead.
@@TheBlaert 🤣🤣that dickhead tho, after all those polite statements, lmfao. Anyways, leave him dude, he's a troll
The large gear might not have had a full film build, but the smaller one was definitely completely covered and would have lubed up everything fine
Glad you saw that too!
The mineral type oil takes longer to fully lube-up but would that extra second of slow speed start-up engagement actually wear the gear a significant amount? I doubt it would make a difference to the life of the box. Sure if this low-lube situation remained all the time then yes there would be noticeable wear.
Well when one side is dry and the other is lubed, it will still cause premature wear.
See you guys in another 8 years in CZcams recommendations 🤣💩
@@Sandwich420 one dry gear meshing with a fully lined gear would be considered lubricated.
i love it when they say 'typical' like every oil is the same, and all oils are compared to 'typical'... i would like 3 liters of typical, please
We watched a 3-minute ad from Shell, voluntarily 😂
So they are comparing a 5w-30 oil with a SAE 30... that's like comparing oranges to apples. If they wanna show "the benefits of synthetic oil" at least show 2 oils with the same viscosity.
You do know that the W in 5W does not imply Weight it means Winter and its more viscous as shown in the temp test, Both are grade 30 and from what I seen in the coverage of lubrication. rather would go with Shell Spirax instead of mineral.
Joshua Cornell It's still comparing apples to oranges. Yes, the viscosity after the oil has warmed up might be "similar" but a 5-30 is NOT the same as a straight 30 when hot. Not even close. The 30 is way more stable and has different properties, but it's much heavier when "cold".
Yeah I get the comparison but in terms of coating evenly I prefer the Spirax, currently watching the Cool Running video of the higher grades As for the Mineral with its lack of coverage at points will lead to gear failure due to stripping or seizing. But I do agree with you they are not using a single 30 with the Spirax.
I'm not saying it's bad or not to use it, actually I use spirax on my Xterra too (rear and front diff, and gearbox and transfer case), I like the oil. Was just stating that they should have used an equivalent oil in the test.
Nice to know you're using it and yeah I am wondering the similarities if both were 30 and the Spirax not being a 5W grade in addition. I did enjoy they made this clear gearbox to show the difference in viscosity and lubrication. Having watched the heat difference video also helps to show the difference in two different grades of the same product.
Any leaking issues as another comment says will happen with "thinner" grades? I myself know nothing is 100% Perfect in every way and even thick oils leak out due to a bad or failed seal.
I'll probably never buy this product but it's always nice seeing these mechanical infromative videos.
why you will never buy?? they are claiming as a best product. so why ??
@@tteuvkybecause she cannot use it.
This film shows:
1 you put more spirax than other oils
2 spirax is waterlike and perhaps provides less protection on high temperature or loads, considering gear tooth are drained almost immediately after leaving oil pan.
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You guys need to do full plant inspections on all of Dilmar Oil's plants. Their regional manager has them doing some low down dirty stuff with their Shell products, the latest being taking Formula Shell 10-30, combining it with Motorcraft Super Duty 10-30 and trying to pass it off as T5 Rotella 10-30.
Propably write them an e-mail not commenting this on YT
I dont know why this was recommended to me but from now on ill try synthetic oil on my joints
Very nice unbaised comparison!!
You are comparing a synthtic gear oil (over 90% of trans oils in market are synthetic) with a very rare hard to find mineral gear oil.
80w90 are normally mineral (Heavily use in my country)... 75w90 or 75w80 are normally synthetic...
No it's not i still easyly find the mineral one, even they still faint greenny colored and thick like crude oil
@@FEGTTTSDH agreed
It was a demonstration of how the fluid's viscosity would behave at cold temperatures without having to chill the whole apparatus. The oils weight is it's viscosity at operating temperature, in other words the two different oils should have the same viscosity at operating temperature. The gearbox or engine manufacture determines what weight to put in it by calculations with a fluid at that expected viscosity. One of the benefits of synthetic fluid is that the viscosity is much more stable over a wider range of temperature, which means the cold synthetic is much closer to operating viscosity than the cold conventional. Conventional thickens up more than synthetic with the same drop in temperature. What they are claiming is that they measured their synthetic fluid viscosity at cold temps and measured conventional viscosity at cold temps. Then they mixed the demo fluids to match those measured viscosities at room temp.
If my truck has been running fine for a million miles on regular old gearbox lube, then I'd say the difference is so minute it is practically immeasurable.
Shell thank you for explaining this! I've always wanted to know!
that background music has no right to be that awesome
I like the guy's voice, not all shouty and over excited like people in these sorts of videos often are. Interesting comparison too.
С 80х Ауди использует синтетику ,и эти МКПП до сих пор исправно служат!
Reminds me of the Lucas display at the parts store.
I don't know I'm watching this. but my brain told me this is satisfying:)
🤣🤣same
Yes but we dont know at high rpm so we dont know whic one the best for our ride
It doesn't matter if gearbox oil is syntetic or not. What they show is just difference in viscocity. Thicker oil stays on theeth much longer and thats why after couple of revs its missing unde the sprocket. I wonder how it looks under higher RPM. My guess is that mineral oil will flow through inner wall as one uniform stream and syntetic will just splash all over
It was a demonstration of how the fluid's viscosity would behave at cold temperatures without having to chill the whole apparatus. The oils weight is it's viscosity at operating temperature, in other words the two different oils should have the same viscosity at operating temperature. The gearbox or engine manufacture determines what weight to put in it by calculations with a fluid at that expected viscosity. One of the benefits of synthetic fluid is that the viscosity is much more stable over a wider range of temperature, which means the cold synthetic is much closer to operating viscosity than the cold conventional or conventional thickens up more with the same drop in temperature. What they are claiming is that they measured their synthetic fluid viscosity at cold temps and measured conventional viscosity at cold temps. Then they mixed the demo fluids to match those measured viscosities.
1)What's the guereettee they are actually using their own product and the other product is actually some decent alternative and not cheap junk oil?
2) as someone pointed out, the larger gear might not be covered entirely but the smaller gear is, which is adequate.
3) will one or two seconds of delay cause any significant difference? Are there any citations on this?
For transmissions always use the original oil. This applies especially to VWs, yes it is around 20$/L and a MK3 Golf gearbox has around 3.5L of oil capacity so it's 80$ every 60k miles, I don't think it's that much, another gearbox is more expensive than using good oil.
Saving money on oil is _never_ worth it. The difference between crappy mineral oil and full synthethic high performance oils like Motul or Castrol Edge is embarassingly small, like 30-40€ per oil change which is every 30,000km.
Oil is literally the only thing stopping your engine from eating itself, anyone who goes for the crappy stuff is an idiot.
Edit: also, oil filters are super cheap as well. I change the filter every time I change the oil.
@@demoniack81 correct, I change mine every year since I do like 5000 miles max per year. I only use Liqui Moli 10w40 special for old engine with molibden, it makes it run so smooth and it consumes 50-100ml between changes. For a 30yo 165000 mile small engine I guess it's ok
This is why i never bought German cars, the maintenance cost is too high..😅
@@Blue-yp5mz it's only a 1.4 liter 980kg econobox.... Parts are ultra cheap in EU and I work on it myself, it's super cheap in the long run
I don't now why I came here but this is so satisfying to watch
SAE 5W-30 and SAE 30 have big difference so its obvious even without any video which is much thicker and atf usually have lesser viscosity
I've just successful protected my project regarding gearbox yesterday.😊
I guess if you payed for the translucent box, then you can compare 5w-30 with Weston chicken frying oil at -10 Celcius.
A good presentation is everything! 😉
WHat an amazing demo video.... need more of this... they should also show some old oils as well so we can expect what might happen
i just saw this but too late since i already switched to shell advance waaayyy back 2009 for my moped. i noticed that engine.is smoother and start easily on cold weather when using shell advance. thanks shell.
Shell, gear box full synthetic transmission. Fluid. The best
am I the only one who realizes this is a transfer case not transmission like the title says?
MoparMadness they only call it a gear box. A transfer case is a gear box. Any housing the holds multiple gears is a gear box whether that system can change ratios or not
nope
A transmission just doesn’t lend itself as easily to all those pretty visuals they showed us
No it is a motorcycle gearbox look carefully and the cylinder is on the vertical front....that large gear hides the clutch mechanism.
"Trans"fer
I need that clear gear box on my car!!!
In high rpm the box would explode
Liquid friction robs power and just cuz it clings doesnt mean its not causing stress at thrust bearing surfaces. Different fluids work at different temps, some better then others. Use what works for situation.
Cool demo.
I've always use Shell V-Power oil , awesome...!!!!
I use whale oil in all my automatic transmission equipped vehicles.
Makes for a smooth shift every time !
And panda fat for chassis grease.
And literal elbow grease
Have you tried snake oil? It works great too!
Dexron 3 used whale oil in it. That’s not a joke lol
@@mikepekala832
I think they all did back in the 50s.
Whales were cheap and plentiful back then.
CZcams is recommending this after 8 years
Interesting choice of colors for the example…
Satisfying to watch
We've found that without a tall package of anti foaming additives the oils will trap excessive amounts of heat into itself when cavitation is taking place. Gear sets will turn blue due to metal to metal contact due to insufficient anti foaming capability.
What shell transmission fliud that can be used with the ATF WS specification with ATF Dexron VI
8 year old conventional was working fine in WY at -40 in toyota truck.
Tad Meister How old is the truck? Conventional oils work just fine (under optimum conditions) for older vehicles. Newer vehicles are designed with tight tolerances so a fully synthetic lubricants are a must.
+Ibraheem Al hadede Tighter tolerances? No, not neccessarily.
Tighter torelance, most of the time does not equal to = quality. At the highest precision level, it becomes = higher cost.
Case in point. Previously in the roughness specification of machined surfaces (of bearing surfaces), people used Rz or Rmax as the absolute control paramater & the general consensus the lower (tighter) you go, the better it would be.
Not anymore. Nowadays people use Ra (Roughness average) from a set of peak & valley points, & even then, you have to take out the deepest valley from the calculation as, a deeper valley means a good pocket of oil storage (of course, deep valley is not good in the glass/ceramic product segment).
The same goes for tolerancing. You are not going for tighter tolerance nowadays. We are going for better profile/form/surfaces/fitting control (GD&T)
so when do you start making clear case covers for motorcycles?
Thanks for uploading. I wanted to see a gear box in action with oil.
Milind S. Vashist thats a transfer case if it was a transmission they would have show a manuel and automatic and they forgot about the planetary gear set
I think it depends on the speed since the thick is going slow it doesn't fill the gap properly and the faster the the thin oil goes les gaps filled.
How to spot original shell advance ulta 4T? Im from the Philippines. Thank you
Wow. Quality inspection is realy nessesary. Thank you.
Now repeat the test with the Spirax at a more realistic winter startup temperature of -30C and let's see how it does. I'm not saying anything, it's just that -10C is at the mild end of winter temperatures in my part of the world.
I live in Tropic, so this is not a problem.
Just wish Shell could sponsor me 🤣I use their oils in all my vehicles and customers vehicles
Very good video
Exelente Información 👍
Моя первая volvo 940 проехала 700 000km. С оригинальной коробкой. В которую заливалось минеральное масло. Технический прогресс необходим. Масла с высокими характеристиками нужны. Но говорить, что механизмы не могут без них жить - ЛОЖЬ! Могут, только мы об этом забыли))
Масло за 700к не менялось?! Оо
@@alexoikosyach9737 доливалось последние 200 тыс. Можно сказать менялось естественным образом. Чтобы до этого, я не знаю
В видосе деликатно умалчивают, что более густая жижа на холодную даёт большую защиту и лучше липнет к металлу.
@@Zhalimov Липнет?)) Сколько диванных экспертов, просто жесть.
А ниче, что главную роль играет насос? И твой гуталин будет ползти как 🐌
@@powermanus1 если промолчать, за умного прокатишь😉
Is transmission oil and gear oil the same ? I own a 1.2L petrol manual transmission car, does that also need this synthetic oil ?
What is the Drain interval of this amazing oil?
I love you shell
I like your video soundtrack.
MIsleading, why not use the same viscus oil?
Awesome 😄
Why didnt you show the close up of the red synthetic oil?
Was about to ask the same thing.
I think 'cause the biggest gear seems not to have a sufficient layer of oil on her teeth.
I just want to know if shell is better or motul for bikes
Did anyone notice that the red oil gearbox had more oil in it than the other two
The synthetic oil uses smart technology to self adjust fluid level. This is done by using thermal energy and CO2 from the air to create extra molecules to correct fluid level.
Yes, and notice at 2:36 the large gear looked dry on top, like in the mineral oil test.
Figured I would check this.
Yellow is shown at 0:37 and compared to green at 2:09.
Green is shown at 1:09 and compared to yellow at 2:09.
Red is shown at 2:26 and does not have a side by side comparison.
That said before motion all oil levels are sitting at the same level, just under the black circle of the large gear.
During operation the levels are different as the oil viscosity results in more being in the gear teeth, at which point during motion the red oil does have more sitting in the reservoir.
@@mikepekala832 Could you explain this more? What is the smart technology?
@@morphbal1234 Sarcasm 😛
Nice sir
What oil should i use for my Speedometer console.
CZcams algorithm had brought us together again
Why Shell Don't manufacture fully synthetic oil in 10w-30 grade?
Music sounds like a redemption arc in an anime
I feel so inspired
Yeah but no high rpm 🤣 so we dont know which one the best for our engine!
Yeah, the oil demo is cool but where do I get the transparent gearbox. I need it for autism.
Hi Team I would like to inform you that we have learnt, that liquid on heating becomes less viscous in nature.So is this video based on only when the engine starts or when the vehicle is in motion as well. Cause if it's based on only when the vehicle is starting there is no use.
It means your only promoting that product.
I'm surprised there's no ads on advertisement video
So which one is good for bike?
Is this for automatic or manual transmission?
I love shell and their transoil
Can i use this video for educational purpose on youtube???
Pause @ 2:10 mineral oils quantity is lower than synthetic oil. Shell thought mechanics wont see this video. I agree synthetic is better than mineral or semi synthetic oils.
Hi there,, what shell auto matic oil is good for Honda jazz,??? 2006
That's why I always use shell
Simerjeet singh and what exactly is your "that's"?
@@1980zander prolly impressive marketing by a oil giant
Hey Shell, why did most of your Colorado gas stations all the sudden become Circle K's with unknown gasoline?
Nice. Love from AIR AND ROADS CZcams CHANNEL
Thank.
very helpful video
Does Transmission Fluid ever Dissipate like Engine Oil?
nice
Is it from Group III or PAO base oil?
wait so transmissions are not supposed to be fully submerged in oil?
i always use top 1 for my motorcycle/car
I will buy it for my car. Thx
How about in higher rpm? i mean the centrifugal force would throw the oil away from the gears, wouldn't it?
Yes i dont see high rpm 🤣so we dont know when it goes at high rpm!
How oil Hot temprature working in gearbox ?
This is ❤️🔥
is this good for motorcycles?
நல்ல பதிவு சார்
mildly satisfying
The music is something you would listen in the final episode of an anime where the protagonist finally gets redemption after suffering through the whole series but end in a high note with a happy ending 🤣
well it depends if the engine is vintage or new, recommended by manufacturer or not...
I wonder if She'll can create a strong cvt oil that keep it from dying and solve shuttering and other issues associated with CVTs. I'd like to pay oil changes and maintenance over 6k whole replacement.
CVT's are a classic example of contradicting needs, you need friction for the drive belt to drive the drums, but you don't want friction every where else in the transmission. Conventional autos had a similar problem, but at least they had large clutch areas that could bite through the oil.
@@raygale4198 They could have separated the belt section and the gearing/clutch section.
Plenty of other gearboxes do this, including many compact automatics which used ATF in the gearbox section, but the combined final drive (diff) used gear oil.
Blame the engineers who thought little about the contradicting needs and though about the pennies saved. "bah, it will only be a problem in 80k, by then its out of warranty"
Can i out this oil in my homemade gearbox?