VETERAN PATTON RIDE REVIEW - THE CHOSEN ONE?
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Great initial review. The new format and B roll (gimbal) is great! The Patton looks promising, Im shocked by the range. Few bugs to workout but Im sure it will hold its golden place in the lineup. Its Awesome we're getting different platforms to suit different types of riding. Im about to upgrade from my S18 and was really between this an the Sherman S. While my heart says Patton for daring offroad shenanigans and jumps, my aging brain says Sherman S for a stable, long distance street cruiser. Thanks for providing us with this content, its great we have such representation in the community
Got an S18 as well and think of s19 or patton
hi adam! I just wanted to say that as a longtime viewer, it's been a pleasure to see your writing, riding, and video production skills improve over the years :) even if I don't always agree with your opinions on top speed ;)
Veteran really has a good line up of wheels (Abrams doesn't exist)! All they need is a super compact one, something under 2000€
Had to pause this video on my TV and grab my phone to type out, I'm so glad you've got a better deal with myewheel, you deserve it Adam! Your reviews are beyond amazing!
Beyond amazing 🎉🎉🎉 that describes it perfect 😂❤ I am always astonished about the quality... nice day and all the best ride hard stay safe gruuuzzz
Wow! Tilt back based on %PWM is a great idea. 🎉
I believe that this was Dawn Champion’s suggestion about 2-3 months ago.
Yeah this is a safety feature all wheels should adopt for some peace of mind
@@dirt.surfer I think that Inmotion have it already for a long time, but you can't change it, except of the setting of the fancier mode :).
Thank you so much Adam, I have a pre-order for the patton and its my first wheel, your videos along with all the other great content makers not only got me interested in the wheels but have put my mind (mostly) at ease about what I bought. Time to make a 5 year dream come true😃
Congrats! I hope it goes well for you!
Congratulations!!!❤
I'm curious how it will be to start with a such heavy wheel. But why not and maybe you are a heavy guy too.
I'm a heavy guy, just started over 1 week ago on v12 ht. I would not have wanted heavier than this for my 1st wheel. No issues other than normal growing pains 😅
@@DaddyQ619 I am fairly heavy and tall, so I'm hoping that makes it a little easier to learn on.🤞
I have a Sherman S and it's been fantastic, but the one thing I wish it had was progressive tiltback. My V11 has that and it comes in handy very often when you can't necessarily hear the beeps, plus it's nice to have a tactile feedback vs auditory. I hope they can bring it to the Sherman S in an update.
Brilliant video! Really love this style of filming and precenting!
Thank you almighty Manatee ❤
@@mr_wrongway this for real has been one of my favorite euc videos ever :D such an easy watch
@@BossManaatti thank you so much!!!
That's some insane pedal tilting around 0:40. This wheel is truly an amazing wheel. We are approaching a time where the motor/controller are not the limits - but the rider & tire are limitations for grip. I loved your story intro. The wheel can accelerate and brake SUPER hard.
A major technological leap in battery energy densities will finally enable lighter weight wheels but until then....🏋♂️
@@steveo6034 With the torque on this wheel - you really only feel the weight when you have to pick it up. The torque hides the weight very well.
Agree 2Cells1Pack!
Awesome video! Thank you for making it. I ordered my Patton last week. It says it'll ship in June. I'm so excited!
I think around the 7:20 when I heard progressive tiltback based on PWM, along with the other stats of a high torque, smaller, suspension, quality wheel I think I kinda decided to start saving up to buy this beauty.
Best review I have ever seen on an wheel Adam you’re getting so good!!🎉
I rode an mten3 84v for a year and a half. I didn't have the money for a "real" wheel... but I finally do. This Paton will be my first wheel! I'm so excited
Ma future roue c'est sûr ! Merci Adam pour tes compétences et ton enthousiasme c'est vraiment un plaisir, super vidéo comme toujours !
AWESOME I was waiting for this!
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Yes!!!! Been waiting on this video to come out. I already ordered my Veteran Patton weeks ago and this video just makes me feel even better about ordering it. I also ordered the 66 lb version and this video makes me feel pretty good about that decision. Can't wait to get my wheel and can't wait to see your full review video.
Good "first impression" video. Everything important covered. The usual review is good for a later point - after 1000 km, having changed a tire, seeing some issues and having various range tests and terrain experiences.
Super revue Adam ! Hate de la recevoir :)
good you got on fixed rate bro! happy for you!
sick review. you deserve a patton the back.
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lmao, thanks for the laugh
LK said PWM tiltback not possible on the Sherman S (or previous models) due to eeprom storage too small won't fit, maybe if Sherman S gets updated motherboard in the future otherwise we won't see PWM tiltback there.
Yo, I think this is possibly your best video ever. You should do more of that stuff like the intro. Really epic! But of course keep that wrong way Intro snippet in there. It's a must!
Love the speed advice @ 8:52. This video and others just makes me want to get this as my secondary wheel and sell my OG Sherman even though I have a Sherman-s.
Imagine how amazing a city with only Bike and pedestrian paths would be :o
Wooow super danke für das Video lieber Adam... nach den Worten is es klar... ich brauch auch ein Patton... s22 pro schön und gut aber Patton is halt next level wie es scheint und deckt alles ab was ich von so nem EUC erwarte... 62lbs should be fine for a 60kg rider I hope... all the best... ride hard stay safe und klarerweise I will stay tuned for the full review gruuuuzzzz... und Kameraführung wie immer outstanding 🎉🎉❤
Thank you for the review Adam. Very helpful! As strictly a jump wheel, what do you pick Patton on S22?
I’ve been thinking about it. Maybe, probably, I don’t know if I should get it yet. Still checking out other wheels like the Payton’s bigger brother the Sherman S.
Dude i just ordered the PATTON lastnight using your pupon code (nr.2 wheel using your code) the first 2minnutes off this video made me jump up and shout "Yes! this was the right decision"
It's seems to be perfect for european riders/condition, Thx for this fresh review 😊
Looks like a great wheel. I'm just learning EUC's so I may consider either this one or the Veteran Sherman Max next year. We will see. I like that this wheel is smaller and more nimble.
can't wait till some V14 and S19 comparison with Patton will be out!
I liked this video a lot. Nice footage and breakdown. That rabge was slightly more that I expected...How much do you weigh woth gear on? I would be interested to see your thoughts on the trolley handle in the full review, as I use the handle on my V12 HT almost every day.
Hi great vid and cograts on the gimbal Would you recommend this as a starter wheel?
Thanks again Adam
Nice jumps man!
Thanks Adam. Do you think this will be better than the Begode Extreme?
literelly just turned on my PC after a long workday. nice intro WB style haha
This is by the sounds of it the sweet spot. The 50mile range is perfect for me where my S22 like you said can just go over the 40miles. The only thing is that I think about is the shorter travel compared to the S22 and the weatherproofing as my S22's bearings are now busted from on UK 10 mile ride home from work. I also do like the look of this wheel.
Can’t wait for my pre-order, think it’ll be July 😅
Would be awesome if the indicator function on the rear lights could be turned off
Great video! Adam, have you heard anything about a solution for seated riding, which this seems to lack over the Sherman-S? It has a nice flat area for it so I am sure it's only a matter of time!
In other sports, like paragliding, it's everyone's dream to be paid for doing what you love most. If that's the deal that myewheel is offering you then I think you have something real good going on.
Congratulations!
That intro had me hyped! lol
Hi asking for some advice! I'm a 130 lb person and I mainly ride on streets. I preordered this wheel with 58 lb [Reccommended for
Finally, a wheel worthy of replacing my Nikola AR. Put in my preorder on Saturday.
This is a wheel I anticipate for certain, although I already trail ride a s22. The Patton would for sure fill that void. It's wide like the s22, I really like that imo it feels more of a natural stance.
@Wrong Way! Would you recommend this as a beginner wheel for first time riders?
FINALLY the review! My choice is made!!!!!
Would it be difficult to start as a newbie on this wheel? Looks good..
Bottoming out seems to be an issue, even with 66lbs spring, hopefully vetaran make a stiffer spring or a progressive one that really cranks up the rate closer to the end of travel
What do you think about the waterproofing?
You really make it look intriguing.
How much can the suspension do with a heavy rider?
I'd be real curious to see if Linear Labs would be up for developing a HET Motor to power these beasts - higher torque, lower energy requirements than conventional motors based on testing info.
Feeling a bit less anxiety over being dumb enough to pre order one of these now.
If you're comfortable sharing, about how much do you weigh?
MyEWheel recommended the 58lbs suspension for riders under 80kg when I ordered mine (I weigh ~60kg) which seemed logical at the time but it seems like everyone says to get the harder suspensions. Granted the biggest jumps I'll do is probably down the curb but I'm just wondering if you have any additional insights on the topic.
Thank you Adam for another great video.
I would love to see you compare the Patton to the S22 Pro.
Personally I'm torn between the 2 for an everyday driver.
Please help, lol
That’s a great video idea :)
@@mr_wrongway Yeah, I'm in the same situation and your input would be quite crucial ✌
@@mr_wrongway trying to decide on a 22pro or patton, any last min advice?
ofc S22, more universal
@@mr_wrongway For the last month I was on the fence between these two wheels as well. I finally decided on the Patton but I know a lot of people are trying to make this very decision for themselves right now. I bet that vid would do good numbers.
Thanks
Thank you so much! :)
It would be cool if you could make a video of your very first times riding euc's !
EUC are not for jumping ...for now. If they keep iterating on suspensions, I'm sure with a couple of accelerometers you can write software to detect jumps reliably and prepare the wheel for landing at weird angles in some special kind of supersoft mode.
Yeah, that sounds reasonable. Just couple of capacitors charged up to handle the landing. But the MOSFETs are also big (and expensive) issue I guess.
@@kilobak2297 I don't jump, but I believe the big problem is, that we demand too much torque in the time it takes for a human to initiate a reaction. I think we instinctively shift our center of weight behind the wheel, not because falling is scary and we want to decelerate, but because we've already developed neural pathways for falling and forward motion in our childhood that skew our perceptions and what we assume is level, which is usually perpendicular to gravitational forces. In other words, we naturally position ourself against a imaginary level surface to optimally absorb the drop. This has a rear bias.
The result is that this can affect wheel input significantly, and we demand way more torque than we need, or want, and in the wrong direction. (And from watching people jump, land, and lose balance and fall, it looks like they're going to slow too fast, making lateral control impossible, twist the wheel, and topple over.)
These effects can be lessened by adjust to a more positive tilt, making the immediate landing forces on the wheel closer neutral, keeping it going forward and maintaining more speed and demanding less immediate opposite torque. And once you land it can progressively return to initial wheel tilt.
This has the added benefit that if a rider tenses up and maintains posture, the wheel applies progressive braking input, and he/she only needs to compensate for lateral forces. It'll just feel like the wheel is reacting super soft initially. And it only needs to do this for a fraction of a second, for maybe a meter of travel. Because a catastrophic landing is chain of events.
@@kilobak2297 Capacitors are so 2023. EUC need only a marginal amount of capacitance, and as production ramps I expect in a couple years BIM for a 126V supercapacitor bank would be cheaper than an extra pack of Molicels to give use that sweet burst and regenerative braking. Still extra weight though.
I ride the sherman max. I weigh 250 lbs and ride an avg of 37-39 mph, i get beeps around 40 to 42 mph so i back off. I usually ride about 25ish miles daily going that speed.
I can't wait until I get to try it
Adam, great ride review. Really looking forward to the full review. Can you tell us more about the Patton on stairs? It looked like there were oscilations when going down the stairs, but I haven't heard anyone mention that yet. Is it as noticeable while riding as it is watching? Thanks!
I didn’t do much stairs on Patton because the tire is small which makes stairs uncomfortable. For the little amount I did it was ok
This wheel has a pretty good top speed but is smaller of course - how is the stability at high speed compared to something larger and heavier like the sherman or sherman S? Is it reasonable to cruise around at 60+ or is it just too unstable?
Which weight springs did the reviewed wheel have and what was the geared up rider weight?
...so worked with myewheel, then quit and went to Vancouver for eevees (short leash, slaving under the 2 dudes), then disagreed about los dollaros and came back to myewheel . got it. Cool review.
That is not what happened :D I never quit myewheel. I did move to Vancouver for an adventure tho ;) we couldn’t agree on some things with EEVEE’s and stopped cooperating but I still recommend the shop! No harm in the creative freedom was done :)
Really great initial review! I remember you had a non blinding light for your OG Sherman. Does it fit for the Patton and is it still beeing sold? I can't find it.
Thank you! I don’t know about a light for Patton yet. I’ll figure it out when I get mine. There should be something in the 12V department
its know my 3rd sommer upcomming, riding V11 road city and MTB trails, i think this is the only contender to V11,
its just never failed on me, one downside, kind of expensive to ride in the forrest.
A bit confised thid wheel has similar size with v11 or with nikola?18 or 16inch
I like this wheel, but I dont see how is it better then the Sherman S for everyday use.
SS has better top speed ( though you wont use it because safety concern for me)
Better battery, better suspension, better tire size....
The only thing I like is the 126V design and the size.... Which has its disadvantage at the same time.
Bonjour
Comme toi je suis très enthousiaste pour la patton
Un futur à voir à long terme 😊
Hi Adam, what could you say re seated riding the Patton vs Sherman S? Would you be able to compare?
Patton has a wider seat haha. A bit less room for your legs on Patton. Both work pretty well for seated riding
Well, you just helped me make up my mind. Grazzi! I'm old-school and I've been looking for a replacement for my MSP HT. She's in perfect shape with 5000 miles on her and the new upgraded "safe" battery packs but I want a new wheel. I was just waiting for you to share the range. 60 miles is what I'm looking for. SOLD! / Anyone interested in a mint condition wheel? Hollywood, USA
Adam, great vid as always! I assume you had the high speed mode off? Just wondering, what max cruise speed could patton give on high speed mode and at lower batt levels..?
High speed mode was on :)
@@mr_wrongway Weird... how did Ronin do 45mph on it then...
@@mr_wrongway Hey, Adam, Just got my Patton. The beeps and freespin issue could be the same as in Your review. My patton beeps at 60kph and freespins only up to 80kph no mater if high speed mode is ON or OFF. A friend also got his patton and doesn't have this issue (his beeps at around 70+kph). Did You check the freespin with yours with both speed modes?
UPDATE. Just solved it. Someone suggested to adjust voltage in the settings by .1 and the wheel spun to 100kph
Great review, Adam!
The only thing that was holding me away from this wheel was range. I've heard from other reviewers, that it is more towards 60km range. What was the avarage speed you did your test on?
Again, amazing content, thanks for great videos you share with the community ❤️
He said he's usually around 30mh.
20:26 minute - screenshot from his darknessbot -> Average speed 22km/h.
how can you clean the inside that is hidden by the suspension?
Which suspension would be best for me 62 or 66 lbs?
My weight is 72 kg. (And I would use it mostly in the city.)
for a 90kg guy for city comuter and for some fast riding do you choose Patton 66 lbs or Sherman S?
Maybe that sturdy kickstand stiffens the chassis laterally more than other "fork" wheels? Do you know what brand/type of batteries the Patton has? Ride impressions aside they really do need to reduce the number of fastners. It will be interesting to hear how you go with changing the tire.
Samsung 50E batteries
Is there a video on how to turn off the patton tlit back mode?
well done Adam :) Stay Safe
Love to see you having fun on this wheel 💪😁
You got me thinking about selling My S22 🙆♂😲
Nylonove pads big or normal? As for tire Imotion 12 HT tire would fit and gives more niblness. Nylonove pedals for Patton have not good shape, and not long enough as e-rides pedals
Glad you're happy with the Patton..I'm personally waiting for my Begode Extreme order instead for this class of euc..I personally prefer to have the extra/ optimum power/ torque (134v/c40 motor) and greater headroom before cutting out/ over torquing (making it safer in this respect), smart bms, 130mm travel suspension and the wider (3" wide) more stable/ more durable rim... will complement my ex30 perfectly as my technical trails/shorter rides wheel, that is optimally agile
What about the speed mode, have you tried it out? It should be faster than 60km/h. But the PWM tiltback setting is just awesome - definatelly the way to go!
That was on high speed mode :)
Ewheels.has the top speed at 50 mph 👀
Patton vs S22 Pro for off-roading?😅
I was sure I was getting the s22 pro, but now I'm not sure
Same price, used v13 or new patton which one should i choose?
Plz review for begode ex30
The 16x has also high torque. We need torque tests to compare well.
Right! Forgot about this one. It’s not that high speed though and the torque is less than Patton/Begode HT. 16X can do 40° inclines but not 45 like Patton (almost). Much more power and torque in the Patton!
I dont like bad surprises.Better waiting one year before buying a new euc.😊
Why are there so many negatives comments dang people should spend more time on being positive. Making videos isn't as easy as it seems ALSO we ALL make mistakes in life. Peace to Y'all ✌
Adam great job on explaining in great detail all your findings and opinions on this wheel. I am about to buy the S22 PRO but should i wait for this one instead? Thanks 👊
Thanks for your positivity!
I don’t know! Depends on your priorities :) I guess I should make a comparison video
@@mr_wrongway 💯‼️ you should for sure
My Patton just came in and have it all set up. I weigh 175 to 180 lbs all in and got the 66lb suspension. Feels like when I step on the wheel I barely feel a drop in the suspension, and not a lot of travel when going over bumps. Anybody else the same weight and on the 66lb. Wondering about changing it out for the 62 lb if that might make it a little more cushy.
How’s seated riding on it?
Patton is pure next GEN with epic power this i like but i can aford one EUC this year what you recomend me change sherman original to Sherman S 66lbs or MSP HT to Patton 66lbs?
My problem withh sherman OG is cant ride me to big inclines here. MSP HT no have any problem but is 3+year old 5000km and is Begode safety main place i use MSP is hills where sherman no have chance.
What you think?
I think the Patton will deliver you the most fun! Especially as a MSP replacement. I feel the same (or more) fun on it coming from similar wheels as you.
I'd love to know how it compares to KS S22 pro. The KS seems to be superior in following stuff:
- higher top speed?
- better lights
- smart BMS (not sure if Patton has one too)
- it's lighter
Patton seems to be superior in:
- max range
- reliability/build quality
- trolley handle
I'm looking for an EUC that can be pushed hard. Like the one that feels good when you ride it like you stole it.
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But I'm scared to get Begode xD
Patton have bad controller case, imo. Until they redesign it, not worth to bother with sealant silicone at all
Patton has a higher top speed, seems that he left out high speed mode in this review.
Smaller wheel on the Patton would be more fun / nimble
But you don't have to spend extra money to get the suspension to function properly on the Patton.
@@HuyTran-sk3py S22 Pro has fixed suspension, hasn't it?
Hey! You didn't enable High speed mode properly and that's why it's beeping at 50kph! You need add +1 on the volatage reading screen before turning HS to on. Which will set free spin to 100kph
Hi there! I’ll check that out when I get the wheel back, thanks! :) thanks for your comment and thanks for watching!
Hi! I've got the same issue, I think. Maximum free spin speed is 79-80 km/h in any software versions, any setting- everything is set on maximum, no limits. Sure High Speed Mode (HSM) is On. But no results. It looks like my Patton has no HSM at all. (((
Could you please provide more detailed instruction - what is required to do to enable HSM? Sorry, I can't understand it from the description above.
the camera that shows the tail light could be mounted directly to the wheel
and you show us how bumpy the road that u are going to ride on
that will show us if the suspension is balanced correctly to ur weight and how well and how soft the suspension is
u could also compare the suspension to other wheels/
(if u make it too soft the test won't matter)
not a pro yet don't knoww what i am saying maybe this could work?
I hope Leaperkim will offer a molicel p42a version of this wheel in the future
Would be very cool to have :)
Samsung 50S would be my choice. The P42A would have less capacity. 50S best of both worlds!
how much maintenance do you expect the shocks will require, and how often?
I don’t know yet. We will see.
Good point that hasn’t been addressed, do veteran offer a maintenance kit, with new seals / oil etc?
@@mr_wrongway In case of suspension defect, can we block the suspension and ride the wheel like a non-suspension one?
Are there swappable shocks available or not yet?
Just from the manufacturer.
best All rounder wheel